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00:00Driven into the gap, and nobody's there, and Devers off to the races, and he's going to
00:09stop it second, the Giants take the lead, and listen to this crowd.
00:18Now, back to Dillard and Wibbs on 95.7 The Game.
00:22Hey, what'd you all do when that happened?
00:24What'd you do when Devers knocked that thing into triples alley in his second at bat as
00:29a gigante?
00:30I said three words.
00:32What?
00:32Eat it, Boston.
00:34Eat it.
00:36Oh, it's so funny that you say that.
00:38Quick story.
00:39Yep.
00:39So I'm watching the Giants last Friday night.
00:42Logie is on one, right?
00:44Yep.
00:45But it's one-to-one, and the bases are drunk with Giants.
00:49I don't even remember what inning it was.
00:50It feels like it was the fifth inning, maybe, and Casey's at the bat, and that's not usually
00:57the greatest feeling when there are ducks on the pond.
01:00But Casey against Yoshinobu Yamamoto, he just got a hanger, and he got all of it.
01:08And I'm sitting there with Jude.
01:12He doesn't, he's only 11.
01:15He doesn't fully know.
01:16Like, the hatred of the Dodgers is not fully developed.
01:22It's not fully developed with him yet, as it is with a 50-year-old man.
01:27So, when that grand slam gets hit at Dodger Stadium in game one, the first game between
01:33the Giants and Dodgers this season, stuff comes out.
01:37Like, it comes from the gut.
01:39It comes from deep.
01:40It comes from way down here.
01:42And so...
01:43It comes from decades of hatred, sports hatred.
01:46Exactly.
01:47It comes from Cody Bellinger's base hit in 2021.
01:50Like, it's coming from a place.
01:52It comes from Brian Johnson and, you know, Joe Morgan.
01:56All of it.
01:56Yeah.
01:56So many great memories and great moments.
02:00Comes from La Sorda.
02:02So, anyway.
02:04R.I.P.
02:05Rest in pasta.
02:06That's funny.
02:08So, like, there's the normal, a Giant just hit a grand slam to untie a game.
02:16And it was like, yeah!
02:17Yeah!
02:18And he's like, high five, like, high five.
02:20And then he pauses.
02:22And he's looking at the TV.
02:23And I'm kind of right behind him.
02:25And all of a sudden, there's a beat, like, count to three.
02:29And Casey's rounding third.
02:31And Dad, from the depths of his belly, just goes,
02:39Eat it, Dodgers!
02:41And he almost flew off of the couch.
02:44And he turned around and he was laughing like uncontrollable laughter.
02:49And he was just like, I did not know that you were going to yell.
02:55And he was so surprised that I just like it all.
03:00Because, like, you know, I don't, I'm a huge fan, but I try not to, like, scream at electronics.
03:07It happens.
03:08I'm a Giants fan.
03:08Happened a couple weeks ago.
03:10Yeah.
03:10Remember, I was embarrassed when we went out to Sonoma during a Warrior game.
03:13And I yelled at electronics.
03:15Like, it happens.
03:16But, like, I try not to do too much of that.
03:18But, boy, I let one rip on during that Grand Slam.
03:24And it surprised him.
03:25He did not see it coming.
03:26Well, that was a big moment.
03:27It was ace versus ace.
03:28Tie game.
03:29First matchup of the season.
03:31Your Dodger hatred.
03:33That stadium.
03:34Trying to bounce back after an unfortunate, unnecessary loss in Colorado.
03:39I mean, that was unnecessary.
03:40Four was unnecessary, famously.
03:42But that was also unnecessary.
03:45That loss was unnecessary.
03:47You have ruined that word for me, by the way.
03:49Anybody who doesn't know the joke we're talking about, go search the video.
03:54The splash video.
03:54When Clay came back to town.
03:55Yes, when Clay came back to town on 95.7.
03:57The splash challenge.
04:00Director of sports, Lucas Alexander, was supposed to throw a bucket of water on me.
04:04And he hit me.
04:06And he emptied the chamber.
04:07And the fourth time he did it, I said four was unnecessary.
04:11Because it was unnecessary.
04:12It was.
04:12Because the whole idea was three.
04:14Like, they shoot threes.
04:15And so he hit you, and then he hit you, and then he hit you again.
04:18And it was very funny.
04:19And you thought, it's time to move on.
04:22And you started talking, and then more water.
04:25And I said four was unnecessary.
04:27Four was unnecessary.
04:28It was very, very funny.
04:28And at the end of the video, I was given two paper towels to dry off.
04:32Yeah.
04:32Paper towels.
04:34You could have used more.
04:35I could have used another seven or eight squares.
04:38Just more.
04:38Point being, that Grand Slam was cathartic and very necessary.
04:44Big time.
04:45Big time.
04:45And so I get your reaction being that absolutely over the top.
04:49Eat it.
04:50Exactly.
04:50Eat it, Dodgers.
04:51So that was my reaction last night.
04:52Eat it, Boston, because that's the first of many.
04:56Devers is on the move.
04:58Absolutely.
04:58And, by the way, I think it's appropriate, too, because I kind of have the hair on the
05:03back of the neck standing up right now for reasons that I didn't even know were there.
05:08Like, I told you this earlier.
05:10I've never even been to Boston.
05:11I've never been to Boston.
05:12That surprises me.
05:13I don't know Rafi Devers.
05:15I knew the story, but, like, we hadn't gone deep into it.
05:19I didn't realize that these two sides, Devers and the Red Sox, were this upset with one
05:25another, but I don't like, I didn't even like it, like, how about this?
05:29Maybe this will make it feel even better.
05:30I didn't like it when the Mavs did it to Luka, and I hate the Lakers, and I'm not a
05:35Luka fan.
05:36Stop complaining to the refs after every play, Luka.
05:39But I did not like when Luka went to the Lakers, and the Mavericks, within days, are
05:43like, so he's fat.
05:45He smokes a lot.
05:46Right?
05:47He's fat.
05:47He drinks a lot of beer.
05:49We think that he's lazy.
05:50We don't think he's going to go well.
05:52Like, don't do a smear campaign.
05:55Your fans love this player.
05:58This is a great player.
05:59If you want to trade him, trade him.
06:02But you don't need to then, on the back end of that, conduct a smear campaign against this
06:08player because you're trying to win your fans back that checks notes, by the way, you ain't
06:12going to win.
06:12You're not going to win that fight.
06:14The Mavericks are not going to make up with their fans over Luka, and the Red Sox are not
06:19going to make up with their fans over Rafi, and Mookie Betts, and Chris Sale, and Xander
06:24Bogarts, and we could go on and on.
06:26You're not going to win that fight, so don't try.
06:27Babe Ruth, for those of you who partake.
06:29It's been a minute.
06:30But, you know what I mean?
06:32So now I've got this feeling of, like, I want to wrap Rafi into our arms as Giants fans
06:38to almost protect him because he's getting ripped in public.
06:42And I'm like, four was unnecessary.
06:44You don't need to do this.
06:46You don't need to do this.
06:47So I'm kind of with you.
06:48I like eat it, Boston.
06:49Yeah.
06:50Even though I wasn't feeling any of that until two days ago.
06:53You don't need to do this, but when you have a trade go like this, and you basically ship
06:59a guy out six weeks ahead of a deadline, and you don't get really that much in return,
07:04apologies to Kyle Harrison, you might turn out to be everything that the Giants and the
07:08fans hoped that he would be.
07:10But even if he turns out to be Zach Wheeler in five or six years, I think the Giants still
07:16win the trade because-
07:17I agree with you.
07:18You know, you gave up Jordan Hicks and his contract, which you were happy to do.
07:22He just wasn't doing it.
07:23And a couple of prospects, and by the way, James Tibbs off to a terrible start for Boston
07:29in double-A.
07:30What does he do?
07:300 for 4 with three punchies.
07:32Oh.
07:33Giants won the trade.
07:33That's the end of that.
07:34Yeah.
07:34Yeah, no, the only way that, I don't even, this is one of those, because it's a star and
07:40because it's eight years, there's no pressure for this to be like immediate dividends.
07:47Yes, I think the Giants need to make the postseason.
07:49That's not even my point.
07:50The only way that this is a loss of a trade for the Giants is if something just absolutely
07:56awful happens to Devers and like, you know, he ends up not playing a whole lot over the
08:03next eight years.
08:04That'd be the only way.
08:05And Harrison or Tibbs needs to become a star.
08:08But outside of that, even if Harrison works out, it's like you got eight years of Rafi Devers.
08:14That's worth it.
08:16Especially because always in San Francisco, you're going to be able to find pitching.
08:21And you've got other young pitchers who seemingly have passed Kyle Harrison.
08:26It looks like Birdsong has passed him right now.
08:28Roop had passed him.
08:30And you've got all the Carsons on Sacramento right now, right?
08:34That may, that Mason Black is still in the mix.
08:37Ragsdale, Wisenhunt.
08:38These guys are going to be, I don't know if all of them are going to work out, but I'd
08:41be surprised if none of them worked out.
08:43So, and by the way, Logan Webb is still not going anywhere for a while.
08:47Like there's, there's so much in that well that I find it hard to imagine a scenario where
08:55you look back at this eight years from now and think the Giants, you know, lost the deal.
09:00I just don't even see how it's really that possible.
09:02You had to, at some point, start to offload some pitching because there's not going to
09:06be room.
09:07Robbie Ray's got one more year.
09:09You've got Logan and Robbie for sure next year.
09:12And you've got, you know, Roop who's looking good.
09:15Although I do think about Landon Roop and he's already pitching more so far this year than
09:21I think he ever has, including at the collegiate level.
09:24So I start to think about Landon Roop and like this year, what's going to be his max?
09:30So I do think about them at some point having to figure out something else for the rotation.
09:36We're overstating it a little bit.
09:37I don't think that you want him to throw 150 innings.
09:40I don't know.
09:40I don't like, like, it'd be a good question at some point, you know, for, for the Giants
09:45when, when we start getting into the second half of the season, I heard Steine and Evan
09:49talking about this earlier and they kind of were like, they're like, well, bird songs
09:53at 50 something innings.
09:54And, and he only threw 72 last year.
09:57I was like, well, for the Giants, he threw 72 last year, but he pitched an entire season.
10:04Like when he wasn't pitching the 72 innings for the Giants, he was pitching in the minors
10:08and like, you're throwing the same, right.
10:11You're still throwing a baseball and you're still throwing it hard and you're still throwing
10:15your best and everything.
10:16So I think that these guys are, are pretty stretched out.
10:20Sure.
10:21Could they have some fatigue at the end of the year?
10:23Yes, they could.
10:24Bird song last year, 129 innings.
10:26Okay.
10:27Total.
10:27Okay.
10:28So he's only at 50 something right now.
10:30Yeah.
10:31I think 48.
10:32And in theory, you would be able to.
10:35Stretch it out a little further this year.
10:37Yeah.
10:37I'm more thinking about Landon Roop in that vein where, you know, if you get into, you
10:43know, about the hundred inning mark, and this is what they ended up doing with Jordan Hicks
10:46last year.
10:47You remember?
10:47Because he got to a spot where he had pitched more innings than he ever had before.
10:51And so that's when they kind of made the transition to get him off to the bullpen.
10:56Yeah, exactly.
10:57And by the way, it was also just because fatigue versus not pitching that well, like
11:03he wasn't that great anymore as a starter.
11:06And that was going that way again this year, quite frankly.
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12:37We wanted to play this and react to it.
12:39We haven't had a chance to yet, but here we are.
12:42I loved this.
12:43I thought this was important because so many people in Boston, Papelbon, David Ortiz,
12:50a little sprinkle of Johnny Damon this morning with Shasky and Spadoni,
12:55and then obviously the ownership and executive branch of the Boston Red Sox have all been saying things about Rafi Devers
13:03in the last 48 hours that are not kind to his character, to his situation.
13:10So this is from Bleacher Report.
13:13Listen to what Pedro Martinez says about Rafi Devers and the idea of being a locker room cancer.
13:21I was shocked, just like everybody else.
13:23I was shocked because if you try to sell to me, knowing Rafi Devers, that Rafi is a bad teammate or he's not a team player, you're lying.
13:33You're going to tell me he's a bad influence in the clubhouse?
13:35He's not.
13:37Does he want to play every single day?
13:39Yes, that's probably why he was mad.
13:41Well, the thing got mishandled from the get-go.
13:45And I think if I'm Jimmy and I'm Randy and we have an ex-teammate or a teammate that's not doing things like they should be doing,
13:56we pull him aside, all three of us, and we convince him to come into the things that we want to do together.
14:04This should have been in the hands of baseball people, not front office people, not licking it to the media,
14:14not having a back and forth between the media and Alex and Sam Kennedy and Breslow.
14:22So I think it should have been handled by baseball people, Pedroia, Big Papi.
14:27Okay, that's spot on, on about four different fronts.
14:33Like you're going to walk away thinking, yeah, they should have had baseball people do it,
14:37but think about some of the other stuff that he said in there,
14:39and don't forget what he said at the very, very beginning,
14:42because I think that that's the important part for Giants fans.
14:45You can get caught up into the weeds of what Boston did wrong,
14:49how they should have handled it differently, who they should have had handle it,
14:53but in the end, that's sort of irrelevant to Giants fans now.
14:55What's relevant to me is whether or not this guy is a good clubhouse guy or bad clubhouse guy.
15:00Pedro's words right there.
15:02If you paint Rafi Devers as a bad clubhouse guy, it's a lie.
15:07You're lying. You're lying.
15:08That's what I'm taking out of that.
15:10Absolutely, and I defy anybody to go back and find accounts in the past of Rafael Devers being a bad teammate.
15:19You can see stuff this year when things went south and they signed Bregman
15:24and he didn't want to move to first and then they needed him to play first.
15:27They wanted him back at third and he felt jacked around and so he didn't want to do it.
15:30And so that's a this season thing, but you go back in the previous years
15:35and you're not going to find those stories of him being a malcontent, a bad clubhouse guy.
15:40You and I were talking during the break about a stat that you thought you had heard
15:44and I found it, which is he leads baseball in extra base hits since 2019.
15:49That's a long stretch of time and he is numero uno in extra base hits over that, what, six-year period
15:57going into this year, so tough to be a malcontent and a bad teammate when you're out there raking.
16:03You really have to go out of your way to be a bad actor and still go out there and play well.
16:08By the way, they also won a World Series with him.
16:10Yeah.
16:10So how bad could he have been?
16:12By the way, right before you traded him, they had won five games in a row.
16:17They had just swept the New York Yankees.
16:19He was the best hitter on your team as you started to go on these winning streaks.
16:24And so maybe those feel like small samples to people, but I just, it's like, where, where
16:31is your evidence, Boston?
16:34Where's your evidence?
16:35Well, the evidence is only what you think about what happened here.
16:38I would even, if we're going to, and it's so easy for us in this market to do this, we're
16:42going to compare this to Jimmy Butler.
16:44Like, if the Miami Heat go on a smear campaign of Jimmy Butler, and to a degree, there was
16:49a little bit of that, if you said, where's the evidence, Miami's going to be like, well,
16:54here it is.
16:56Here's the evidence.
16:57By the way, the entire history of Jimmy Butler's career is the evidence.
17:02Like, he's worked his way off of a number of rosters.
17:06There are a number of people who have been bothered, rubbed the wrong way.
17:10Sure.
17:10By Jimmy Butler through the years.
17:12Where's your evidence on Rafi Devers?
17:14Nobody doesn't exist.
17:16Nobody's ever said a word about this until, until five weeks ago.
17:19Right.
17:19Until this situation in this year.
17:21And even if you don't love the way it played out, and I don't give the Red Sox organization
17:27a hundred percent of the blame.
17:28I think that they take on the majority of the blame, but Rafael Devers could have done
17:33things to diffuse it when maybe he could have done things to be more of a team player.
17:39He chose not to, and it's because, in his eyes, he was disrespected.
17:44He was not consulted about a guy coming in to take his position, and he was hurt by that.
17:48And he gets the right to have whatever feelings he wants to have about that.
17:53But if I look at the pie chart of blame, for me it's not a hundred percent and zero.
17:59The Boston organization shoulders the majority of it, no doubt.
18:02Yeah, I tend to, at least the way I kind of live my life or my experiences, I don't think
18:07a hundred percent of the blame almost ever exists.
18:10I know that there are, right, there's some excessive situations that might cross people's
18:14minds when I say that.
18:15But I mean, in the normal every day of life and the things that happen in business and
18:20in family and whatnot, I don't think a hundred percent blame almost ever exists.
18:24So I'll agree with you there.
18:26But the bottom line is also, you know, I've said this to you before, I laugh when people
18:30go, everybody needs to be treated the same.
18:33No, that's not the way it works.
18:34Like you don't treat your kids the same as you would treat the neighbor's kids.
18:38You know, like we-
18:39Well, you don't treat your own kids the same as you treat your own kids.
18:42That's another good point.
18:43You know what I mean?
18:44Like you got three, and the three of them get treated in different ways in different
18:47situations.
18:48Absolutely.
18:49And part of that is because they've earned it.
18:51Part of that is because what age they might be, what the circumstances are.
18:54And the circumstances are here.
18:56This is your best player, period.
18:58And he's a vet.
18:59So I don't care if you think that the center fielder who's batting 200, well, everybody's
19:04the same.
19:05No, they're not.
19:07And that's what I think a lot.
19:08The Red Sox voices I want to listen to, Pedro Martinez, Manny Ramirez said it today.
19:13You do not treat the face of your organization this way.
19:18If the Warriors brought in a new point guard, pretty sure they'd ask Steph.
19:22But we think, we think, Chef.
19:24But I did, Chris Paul, and I bet you they asked him.
19:27You're damn right they did.
19:28And they asked Raymond, hey, we're looking at a possible deal here where we can get rid
19:33of some salary and we'll bring in a vet for one year.
19:35What do you think about Chris Paul, Steph?
19:37Never heard of him.
19:39Never heard of him.
19:40If they didn't want Chris Paul here, Chris Paul wouldn't have been here.
19:45David in El Cerrito.
19:46Hi, David.
19:47Thanks for calling.
19:47What's up?
19:48I don't, listen, the Red Sox are the only ones who had to deal with this, right?
19:54They're the only ones that know the relationship between the player and the organization.
19:59People break up with people all the time.
20:02Sometimes those people marry other people afterward.
20:04So it works out at some other point down the road with other people.
20:07But when we're saying assigning blame based on a percentage basis, I don't know that the
20:12Red Sox have a history of doing this.
20:14So clearly, whatever the negativity existed between the two of them, it clearly existed
20:21or they wouldn't make such a drastic decision.
20:25So I don't see why there's a need to defend the player and denigrate the organization because
20:32clearly it's their experience and their history is a pretty strong history.
20:36Okay.
20:36So David, can I answer that just from my standpoint?
20:39There's two things that stand out.
20:40A, I would argue that the Red Sox recent history does include this.
20:45Devers is not the first.
20:47They got into a messy contract situation with Mookie Betts and they've got all kinds of
20:52egg on their face because of the way that played out.
20:54The Dodgers are champions and the Red Sox got two players who couldn't play, quite frankly.
21:00So I do think that they've got that and B, the reason I feel the need to defend the player
21:06is because, to your point, if you want to get divorced, get divorced.
21:11But once the divorce is over, you don't need to get out there in front of cameras and start
21:15ripping the person you just left.
21:17And that's what they're doing.
21:19They're on a smear campaign.
21:21And I don't think that that's appropriate at all.
21:24He's the statistical star, as you guys pointed out.
21:27So talking to former players who aren't in the day-to-day locker room or dealing with
21:32him, like, something clearly went bad between them and him.
21:36And I just feel like, look, he might be in a better situation now.
21:40But it's not going to change the situation whether people are blaming the Red Sox or not.
21:44He's either going to come here and succeed or he won't.
21:46But I'm talking historical.
21:48They're a pretty, you know, they've done pretty well for themselves as a franchise over the
21:53last 20, 25 years.
21:54It's not like they're a suffering team.
21:55Everyone makes mistakes.
21:56But I'm saying they had the relationship.
21:58It went sour.
21:59Good people get in bad relationships all the time.
22:01Maybe this is one of those situations.
22:03I don't know that assigning blame to them at 100% or 90% or 80% makes any sense.
22:07It's just oil and water, and it didn't mix.
22:09So hopefully it mixes here.
22:11I hear you, David.
22:12I see it a little bit differently because I do think that the process used by any business
22:18and we're in the business of sports needs to be analyzed.
22:21And we've had a lot of smart baseball people come on over the last 48 hours and say, this
22:27is bad business.
22:28You do not do this.
22:30You don't do this with great players.
22:31And you certainly, as Pedro Martinez is saying, do not leave it to owners to come in here and
22:37try to smooth something like this over.
22:39You want to understand baseball people?
22:41You use baseball people.
22:42That's why the Giants let Buster Posey run this entire show as opposed to Greg Johnson when
22:48it came to a major acquisition.
22:50That's all.
22:51That's kind of where I'm coming from, at least.
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