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00:00jones and keith live at fenway park taking you up to red sox and angels we're gonna hang out with
00:05joe weill for some red sox pregame 12 35 first pitch 135 here on your flagship station for the
00:11boston red sox weei we've been talking a lot of celtics on the show today offseason changes right
00:16around the corner for this team and for more on that we're joined here on jones and keith by
00:21robert ory friend of the show seven-time nba champ he's brought to you courtesy of bet online you can
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00:33props robert ory welcome back to jones and keith on weei may thanks for having me back guys appreciate
00:40well we want the insight we like to pretend like we have real insight on the celtics and their off
00:45season and change is coming you know the big story here in boston is new ownership they're going to
00:50look to peel off some salary especially with jason tatum hurt what do you expect the celtics to do
00:55this offseason and what do you expect them to look like next year um they don't look totally
01:00different you know when i looked at that roster and you look at you know you got guys like old
01:06man harford you got drew holliday you got these guys who've been like a little long in the two so
01:11you might get rid of holliday because you got peyton pitcher who's been playing so well you get rid of
01:15al harford because you have um luke cornet who's playing so well so those two guys can take a lot of
01:21money off of your you know your cap and then the thing is what are you going to do with jason you
01:25know 10 is achilles and probably going to be out for the entire season next year do you say okay this
01:30is a way to like position ourselves to get a good pick in the draft or do we do what we're going to do
01:36it's i would want to be the selfish gm right now because there's some hair scratching going on there
01:41like what are you doing for zingas who's always hurt you know he's that he's supposed to be that
01:44unicorn but he hasn't been there for you so it's going to be a lot of changes in this in the
01:49self-disorganization but you know i think the main keys are going to be brown pitcher and luke
01:54cornet because those guys you know they play really great minutes on the all course and derrick white
01:59so it's going to be interesting what those guys do you know they were about to lose the series to the
02:04knicks even before tatum got hurt and they were trying to repeat as champions all year we were sort
02:10of comparing them to the season before and wondering if they were going to do it you've done it you've won
02:14back-to-back early in your career you won three in a row with the lakers then you were on teams with
02:18the spurs that would win every other year so what do you think some of the big obstacles that the
02:23this celtics team ran into as they were trying to defend their title i think they fell in love with
02:30the three ball too much you know you had a success last season doing it but did you really you forget
02:36jaylen brown is not a really efficient three-point shooter he won mvp for you in the finals and how
02:41did he do that but just going to the hole and getting buckets and that's the way this game has
02:45evolved and changed that everybody wanted to shoot threes and you know the subjects you know
02:49outside i think minnesota shot more threes than anybody and you got to curtail your game and i
02:55think you watch the way that jason tatum play he's so good at getting to the basket but yet you settle
03:00i tell people all the time when people when you shoot a lot of threes i mean you don't want to work
03:04hard because it's easy to get out from three where it's compared to like get to the hole and pull up
03:09for a jumper that's a lot of work you look at guys like you know kobe bryant did it and you look at
03:13the mvp this is shea gives a shot he doesn't shoot a lot of threes he manufactured points by
03:18getting to the basket getting to the free throw line and make and putting the defense on the heels
03:22and you just can't just settle like the selfish did this year i think they had the fat cat syndrome
03:28more than anybody and they just settled for a lot of threes because it was easy okay maybe you just
03:32answered i was going to ask you about uh who to blame for the the play style but the fat cat syndrome
03:37that sent him with this team so i mean coaching would be on the list i i think you know the whole
03:43organizational philosophy it's league wide with launching up all these threes how would you how
03:49would you combat that i mean is it strictly the coach is it a personnel thing how do you combat the
03:53celtics and the fat cat syndrome and the launching of the threes you started in training camp you said
03:59listen guys we're getting to the hole you know none of this selling for threes if you're the hot guy
04:03shoot all you can and make as many you can but just don't just pop a three because you're open i
04:08think a lot of times you know if it boils down to okay i have an open shot do you really there's a
04:14reason you're open you know and sometimes guys shoot a lot of threes because it's easy not just
04:21going to the back there's so many times i know i watch i'm like why are you shooting at al harford you
04:25know you're catching it at the top here and you're shooting it it's clank clank clank then one game you
04:29have five and you think you're hot and it's always amazing to me how you shoot from three and you say
04:34oh i'm shooting 35 percent that's awful 35 only counts in baseball when you get that batting
04:40presented to me that just got awful and if you're not shooting over 43 percent from threes you know
04:47you shouldn't be shooting them unless you're wide open and for me i just think when you watch the
04:50way the celtics play they shot a lot of bad shots a lot of bad shots and and that equates to fast
04:57break points especially when you're playing the knicks they beast all that you know you shoot a
05:02bad three they come down grind out get a two you come down shoot another bad three because you think
05:07i got to make up for the bad shot i just made and it puts you in the hole and the celtics put
05:11themselves in the hole so many times doing that next series if you were playing today how many threes
05:16a game would you take about 10 i hate to be the bearer of bad news robert but you were you were 34
05:26for three from from your career but you you let them fly yeah 34 but you gotta say some games i take
05:33one some games i take two but now if i'm gonna take 10 a game i'm gonna make damn sure i make 50
05:38of those it's gonna happen or not i'm going to the hole you know i'm not one of these arrogant guys
05:43it's going to eventually fall it's going to fall when i see one go through and then the confidence
05:47builds all right i don't want to get you into trouble with anybody but if you could have
05:51one guy for a series in their prime would it be olajuwon shack or tim duncan
05:57shack if i could take the the mvp shack yeah and you know that would take him but if i got to take
06:06multiple years i'm taking dream but if i got one year and i can take one particular player it'd be
06:12two thousand shack because he was just so dominant you know if you think about the size
06:17the strength and his weight his ability to move you know the shack you guys got that was you know
06:23a third of the guy so he was a third guy that you know it was just simply amazing what he was able
06:30to do man so if he'd have been able to stay that shack for multiple years he'd have probably been
06:34we wouldn't be talking about any other player but him as the most dominant and best player to play
06:38this game so this is probably a stupid question but my fear is a player like shack from 2000
06:45might not even have the same type of even a role never mind the same type of role and impact
06:51in today's nba i mean is that is that fair to say like would shack have a role the way he played then
06:57in today's nba so let me ask you this question who in the league right now could have guarded shack
07:04i mean if i don't know his coaches are probably his coaches are probably look right with you
07:10wouldn't play mazula pick threes mazula would tell him to go stand in the corner he'd be like go launch
07:14from three and you know and and and if the owners were smart you know what azula would be he'd be
07:20watching it from the bench because he'd be fired it's because it's not it's not about this is this is what
07:26amazes me about coaches coaches come in oh this is my game plan do you have the personnel that fits
07:32your game plan no you coach the personnel that you have you know i think that's one of the problems
07:36that dan tony had when he was coaching lakers he had three really good big men and he says oh i'm
07:41gonna run this system you don't have that's people to run the system you can't you don't have what you
07:46had in phoenix and come to be baby to adjust and adapt and and and use the personnel you think about
07:51you tell me right now what player in the league that's a guard prime shack nobody because he's
07:57dunking on everybody you know think about what he did to patrick yoran what he did to hakeem
08:01and he's a great defensive player david robson hall of fame defensive players he they can barely
08:09stop him you tell me what guy do you think draymond green could stop shack he's only what six four
08:14no uh robert i don't know if i got some bad information on this but i was told back at your
08:22alabama days uh latrell spreewell would get the better view on one-on-one well you got a lot of
08:29bad information dude i don't know what you're talking about because you forget when spreeford
08:33got into the league free couldn't shoot it took a lot of hard work and dedication and then don
08:38nelson turned spreewell into a way better player than he was in college you know if you go back and
08:43look at college don't know about shooting on that team i'm not the best player they ever came
08:46through alabama uh no i knew it was wrong i mean you were drafted yeah you were drafted much higher
08:54than he was but uh yeah we saw spreewell pop up during the knicks series where they had all the
08:58former knicks kind of hanging around uh the baseline there no don't get me wrong spree turned to a
09:04hell of a player he's a better talent than me but i'm a better winner than him that's true i know
09:09that's undeniable one of the greatest winners uh the game's ever seen seven-time
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09:18series and mvp odds along with game by game lines and props okc heavy favorite at bet online minus 670
09:26sga heavy favorite to be finals mvp minus 550 uh robert ory thanks for coming back on jones and
09:32keith we know you got a tight schedule today we appreciate it we'll talk to you soon
09:35man i appreciate you guys it's always fun to talk basketball with you guys
09:39thank you robert appreciate it robert ory thanks so much uh joining us here on jones and keith
09:45uh so the intel you got is he would give uh yeah spreewell would give him work yeah yeah yeah
09:51one-on-one at alabama not the case i guess that's not the case not the case so robert ory was drafted
09:5611th overall in the uh 92 draft so that was the same shack alonzo morning one two draft and then
10:03latrell spreewell was the 24th pick so coming out of college ory was the that was the better prospect
10:08ory was you gotta be careful you lose too many games in a row one-on-one to spreewell you may
10:12snap that's also true you gotta run that risk you never want to be pj carlissimo in that scenario
10:16it's pretty well did get really really good though he was good he was all nba first team his second
10:21year in the league with golden state golden state he's all a first team oh i didn't realize he was
10:26ever that good yeah and then he was obviously good with the knicks then he actually was pretty good
10:29with the uh t-wolves when i played with garnett and cassell and they made the conference finals
10:33finals but uh yeah robert ory's career is wild when you look at it i mean people if you don't
10:39realize this maybe we have some some young listeners out there keith the reason you asked about would you
10:45take olajuan or shack or he played with all those guys won multiple titles with all of them he started
10:52on those rockets teams so he was on the rockets team that the finals got interrupted for the oj chase
10:58he was playing in that series starting with akeem olajuwon for back-to-back titles that was his second
11:04third year in the league and then he went from houston to la and played with shack and kobe for
11:10three years then he leaves la and goes to the spurs and plays with tim duncan and ginobili and all those
11:15guys so he played on three teams and won seven total titles he won two or more with each team pretty
11:21nice and like he wasn't just a on the team guy he was hitting big buzzer beater shots at like
11:28every every series so he started with the rockets then he came off the bench for those other teams
11:32but he was he was a big factor on all of them and i love talking to him like i like like well so the
11:38last time we talked to him and this is a shout out to twitch yeah always i say there's always a
11:42healthy chat going on on twitch there usually is yeah last time we had robert ory on they mentioned
11:46they're like doesn't he hate danny ainge and we asked that he asked that in the middle of the
11:49interview and he he was like ready to fight dan when ainge was coaching him in phoenix is that
11:54what it was yes angels the coach angels the coach and they were like with a towel in his face that's
11:59what i remember watching that game that's what it was i'm sorry that's what it was i don't know if
12:01that was versus the celtics or not but i vividly remember that and so no i like i like story time
12:06with robert ory he's great but he even said like the fat cat syndrome so like the celtics like they
12:10took a lot of threes but they also just kind of were like we're you know took themselves for granted
12:15or their success for granted i don't know he also said it was kind of a defensive shack but he also
12:18said he fired missoula if you're telling uh bigs like this to stand in the corner and shoot threes i mean
12:23look that goes higher than just the coaches that goes to front offices and analytics and everything
12:27else but i it probably sounds like a dumb question i i don't know what shack's role would be in the
12:32nba he's right who could guard him nobody trim on grade six four like he said a little bigger than
12:37that well it's sort of i get the idea the league goes small it's all spread out shack would dominate
12:43i just don't think coaches or front offices would want to use him the way he should be used and the
12:47way he was used it's sort of a chicken or the egg argument where you're like are there no more
12:51dominant centers because they're just there isn't for some reason or is it because the style of
12:56play is completely changed i think what happened is guys like kevin durant kind of broke the league
13:02because you're like seven foot tall but dribbles and shoots threes like give me that guy and then
13:07there are more of those guys even porzingis is kind of that guy when biama is that guy garnett was
13:12kind of that guy garnett was more of a long two guy yeah he wasn't popping threes but but in terms of
13:17ball handling and and you know just score on the block correct and yeah i don't know like
13:22those guys have to exist in the world right like the seven footer who's also like 280 i mean look
13:27yokich is unbelievable but i mean right he's another guy though that does everything but if yok i'm
13:32saying but if yokich were in shack's nba if yokich were in a back to the basket nba he'd be a back to
13:38the basket player yeah it's interesting i think certain teams would be like like what yeah what would
13:43joe missoula do with shack in all seriousness yeah and i'm look i mean but or he might be right
13:47right you might be saying oh this guy's so dominant and shack's also the shack i mean the hall of
13:51famer top 10 version of that missoula would tell shack to go stand in the corner yeah and that'd be
13:55a good spot for work on your threes that's what that's what they would do remember before they
13:59traded time lord now he wasn't the offensive player that shack was i'm not trying to compare
14:02the two i would say he was a non-three they had him shooting threes of practice taco fall shooting
14:06threes when he was here keith guys seven foot seven they're like could you stand in the corner
14:10taco and work on your threes yeah well you know who popped threes early in his career practice
14:16yeah people sleep on it or to corner manute bowl oh early early days manute bowl would shoot threes
14:22yeah rest in peace so manute or did i get that one wrong manute oh it's a rest in peace i i think
14:27i think it's a rest in peace situation i think i've said too much but manute bowl yeah rest in peace
14:31he's the one who originally broke the nba you're saying dude there's a couple years when he played
14:35for golden state where he would shoot some threes and it was like not a lot but like at that time
14:40usually seven foot six guys weren't shooting three not to bring it all back to this but was he was
14:43free well was it that golden state no he was on the 89 he took 91 threes that year it was in some
14:50it's probably some uh vhs tape i had of like nba moments i think you're onto something just him
14:55launching threes manute bowl broke the nba yeah i think that's where it all started like forget him
15:00blocking shots down there and and putting in uh alley oops let's get him out there by the three-point
15:04line okay uh i do think it is interesting and i i credit terp for this and then robert or he said
15:12there's there's gonna be changes with the celtics they got to change their play style fat cat syndrome
15:16etc etc yeah i i give terp credit for this they they do not need to do it this off season to avoid the
15:23second apron and the luxury tax and all this they can carry it into next year and they can carry it all
15:28the way to the end of the regular season that's not functional but you're i think you're playing with
15:32fire no i no i agree but some of these offers for porzingis who by the way is an expiring contract
15:38i think especially with him you could roll the dice and go into next year even if he's hurt it's
15:43an expiring deal you could still move the contract so to me now it's less about the return now versus
15:48the return at the deadline and it's more if you're bringing everybody back or as close to it as you can
15:54you're going in with the expectation like hope for hopefully we're really good hopefully but then at
15:58some point you are going to have to dump salary and that would just hurt worse if the team is like
16:03a top three seed and then they dump salary then you got to peel off doing it now for two other crummy
16:09expiring deals yeah i think it's easier it's an easier sell to the fan base today than it would be
16:13months from now but just know it's less time sensitive than then certainly i believed and gave
16:17it credit for and there's a chance i'm not saying it's likely there's a chance they could take it into
16:22next year and then peel things off at the trade deadline and still dip under the second apron
16:27and save bill chisholm his money and all that good stuff
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