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00:00Oh, my God.
00:10That killed my foot here.
00:12I snapped.
00:14I just snapped.
00:17She did grab a kitchen knife.
00:19Can't feel a friend.
00:21Can't.
00:22Have to go on the ground.
00:23Let's try to go up on the desk.
00:25I have it next.
00:26What kind of reaction do you have seeing that?
00:40Big tears.
00:42As soon as I start listening to this, the way he cries is not his cry.
00:51I just, I didn't, it was a performance.
01:05I know my husband.
01:07I believe that rage, that evil person could come out of him again.
01:14If I were to ask him about what happened, would he tell me the truth?
01:20I'm not sure if he would tell you the truth, but he claims to be a changed, reformed man.
01:28I do believe he's very good at manipulating.
01:33He'll manipulate you in certain ways.
01:36It's just him.
01:38It comes natural.
01:40I think he manipulates my daughter in certain ways.
01:46This interview is important to me because my dad is a completely different person today than he was when he committed the crimes.
01:54Like, he is better and he's a better person.
01:56And I feel like I'm the only one that can say it now.
01:58Tanya wants to know why she and the kids weren't good enough for you to stay on a straight path, for you to get sober.
02:22Why weren't they good enough?
02:23I think that's a poor me question.
02:27That's a boo-hoo question.
02:28They were good enough.
02:30Never said they wasn't.
02:32Tell her to grow up.
02:34Tell her that.
02:35Grow up.
02:35And honestly, I'm not feeling too comfortable with being attacked with all these questions from a woman who claims to be my wife when it benefits her, but has yet to be on my visitation list and come see me in prison and ask me herself.
02:52She waits for a camera crew to come in here and ask me those questions.
02:57Stop being a coward.
02:58Answer your phone and ask me yourself.
03:00Answer your phone and ask me yourself.
03:23They'll be fine.
03:27I grew up in Wern, Ohio.
03:41Louis still lived next door.
03:43I was six and he was four when we first met each other.
03:48We hung out a lot when we were kids until, I think, my teenage years.
03:54Louis was always a joker.
03:58You know, always making a laugh.
04:01His dad was a truck driver and his mom worked a lot.
04:04So he was with us a lot.
04:07He became, like, one of the family.
04:09You know, when he got a little bit older, that's when Louis started smoking weed, taking pills.
04:24He wasn't afraid to get in trouble, I don't believe.
04:39He liked the adrenaline of it.
04:45My dad told me, I don't want you hanging out with him right now.
04:49He's doing things I don't want you to do.
04:53He was becoming a hoodlum.
04:57Louis did not graduate.
04:59I think he left school when he was 17.
05:03And I came by his house and he was packing the car.
05:07He's like, I've got to move to Kentucky.
05:12And I'm like, huh?
05:18And the reason why he had to leave is Louis started smoking crack.
05:23And Louis robbed the crack dealer, and he was out looking for him.
05:36I was just really, really shocked that Louis would do that.
05:42And then him have me leave because somebody's after him.
05:46I mean, I was worried.
05:47I was scared for him.
05:48And so, of course, I was like, go.
05:53But, I mean, I was upset.
05:55You know, like, oh, my God, are you leaving?
05:59Like, it hurt.
06:00I wasn't used to that.
06:02You know, I'm used to him always being around.
06:06But I was genuinely, like, upset.
06:12I didn't know if he was coming back.
06:29My first husband, we split.
06:32We got a divorce, and that's when Louis stepped in.
06:37When Louis came back from Kentucky, he was around me a lot.
06:45He just started telling me how he felt, you know, telling me all these years.
06:51He's like, I've always wanted to be with you.
06:53I've loved you since I can't remember, you know, all that stuff.
06:58And, like, he was really sincere, and, you know, I could see it.
07:05He was always, like, a protector to me all throughout my life.
07:09So, you know, I was like, we can try, see how this works.
07:26And the first night he stayed with me was the first night I was able to sleep the whole night.
07:32Louis had an angry sign all our lives.
07:52One time, my two oldest children went to stay with our father for the weekend.
07:59So, him and I decided that we were going to go out with our friends.
08:05We do that.
08:06We're having a good time, and we're getting ready to go home.
08:12And I tell him, well, I want to stop and talk to the kids.
08:18And he did not like that at all.
08:22Because he knew I had to talk to my ex-husband.
08:27And he didn't want me to do that.
08:29So, it caused a big fight.
08:34It just went further and further.
08:37And next thing I know, we're putting hands on each other.
08:41I'm smacking him crazy.
08:44And next thing I know, he punched me back.
08:54I don't remember much after that.
08:57But he hit me hard enough for me to, like, wobble into the car and see stars, like, whack me out.
09:07Somebody called the police.
09:13And they ended up taking Louis to jail for domestic.
09:18And he only did a couple days in there.
09:27I was shocked.
09:28I was hurt.
09:29And I was angry.
09:32Like, I can't believe you did this to me.
09:35Like, what the hell?
09:38But then, he apologized, you know, so much.
09:43And, oh, it won't ever, ever happen again.
09:45And I felt okay staying because I don't believe that he would have did it sober.
09:54I wanted to work things out.
09:57My kids loved him.
09:58I wanted them to have a dad.
10:01And, you know, have that living home.
10:06I think the aggression started when he was younger.
10:10And it just kept building and building.
10:12And when he was older, if he wanted, you know, to fight you, he would.
10:18If he wanted to hurt you, he would.
10:20Because he believed that he could.
10:23They would just walk in the bar and pick people.
10:26And the next thing I know, everybody's fighting.
10:29And they're ruining a good night.
10:31And I thought things would get better.
10:37And things never got better.
10:39Things just continue to get worse.
10:42Lewis and I had Elizabeth the first week of July.
10:55And then shortly after, in September, we got married.
11:01I tell his mom, she's like, oh, my God, you know.
11:05I've never seen that woman so happy.
11:08She always wanted that little girl.
11:14He was really happy.
11:17Elizabeth had him wrapped around her finger.
11:21She was everything to him.
11:26That was his baby girl.
11:29You know, she was daddy's girl.
11:31She was always with him, if possible.
11:33This is my dad standing with me and my sister on a merry-go-round.
11:49And in the background, it looks like we're at some sort of fair.
11:53But I don't really have a lot of memories of, like, going to, like, fairs with my dad.
11:58But, like, he did always find himself, like, the one doing the stuff with us.
12:05Like, I remember him coaching one of my softball games, like, before he had gone to county.
12:12And I remember on the trampoline, he would just, like, try and, like, bounce us as high up as we could.
12:18Because we were just so small.
12:22He definitely was a fun dad.
12:25But they were using, like, my dad, just, like, looking at him.
12:33Like, I can, like, point out pictures of them, like, where they look high.
12:37And in this picture, like, he doesn't, I don't know, he doesn't really look.
12:41Like, he's fully, like, all the way there.
12:43I know there were times when, like, my parents would fight.
13:02And then we would go stay at my grandparents' house.
13:05I don't know if they would go somewhere because something related to drugs.
13:10And they just needed someone to watch me.
13:14But I was my grandma's first biological grandchild.
13:18And I think she wanted a girl.
13:20And I was the girl that she got that she'd been wanting for so long.
13:25I have a lot of good memories at my grandparents' house.
13:29I remember staying with my grandma and waking up in the morning, she'd make me breakfast.
13:34And then she'd watch me ride my bike at 7 in the morning.
13:37And I remember doing this all the time.
13:40I remember baking with her and, like, decorating cookies.
13:43I remember doing word searches with her, like, sitting with her in her chair.
13:50I don't really know if my dad had a good relationship with his parents when I was that young.
13:55It seemed, like, hostile.
13:58Or, like, maybe they just got done arguing.
14:01Or maybe I was walking in the middle of an argument.
14:02So I never seen their relationship as, like, a good one.
14:07It always just seemed like it was all negative that I've heard.
14:11But my dad's parents were, like, my comfort people, I would say.
14:16Saturday, October 1st, 2011, Louis came to visit me in jail.
14:43I noticed that he was driving his parents' car.
14:54Driving his parents' car was a big red flag.
14:59Because he is not allowed to drive his parents' car.
15:04I'm talking to him between the glass.
15:07I noticed he has scratch marks on his hand, like, like, three of them, you know, deep nail marks.
15:18And I'm like, where's your mom and dad?
15:21Where's mom and dad?
15:23Like, what is going on?
15:25Something's not right.
15:27He gets a pen, and he writes on the paper, mom, dad, gone.
15:45And I'm like, what do you mean, gone?
15:49He was like, gone, Tom.
15:52Like, gone.
15:53He wouldn't say it over the phones, because they are recorded.
15:58Basically, he's telling me they're dead.
16:01That he killed them.
16:03I was worried that, after visit, that he could kill someone else.
16:20I was afraid that, you know, he would kill my parents and take the kids and leave.
16:27Talk to me!
16:28I didn't know how to protect them, but to tell them.
16:34So that's what I told my mom.
16:35They'd check on my in-laws, but don't take my kids there.
16:41I guess her and my uncle, when they went over to my in-laws' house, they looked in the window.
16:47And that's when my mom called the police.
17:05Two detectives came up to the pod, and they asked me, what was the make and model of the car he's in?
17:15And what does he have on?
17:17And where would he go?
17:19Things like that.
17:21I told him, like, he's probably parked somewhere in a motel, you know, and waiting for you guys to find him.
17:31Our camera's rolling as Warren and Howland officers take a bare-chested and handcuffed Lewis Mann into custody.
17:38This yellow Cadillac is the car police put an alert out for after finding an elderly couple dead inside this home on Jefferson Street.
17:47He looked like hell.
17:49I've never seen him that small.
17:51And then he plays stupid, of course.
17:54What's going on?
17:55What do you mean?
17:56How do you kill somebody?
18:11And you know he had that rush.
18:14He didn't try when he was going.
18:17I don't understand.
18:19You know, he had that much rage and he was this upset.
18:22Yes, I could understand him lashing out on the streets to someone, but I don't understand the parents thing.
18:35I mean, when he was angry, yeah, he would tell me he hated his parents.
18:40Supposedly, his mom, Fran, was upset and wanted, you know, our child, Elizabeth, because, you know, he just got out of jail.
18:52I want to know what's the real reason that you killed your parents.
19:03Why?
19:04Why?
19:07Why?
19:08Why do it?
19:10Why go to that extreme?
19:11If he's a reformed man, like he says, he is of God, then he might tell you.
19:32This is a picture of my grandma and my grandpa, and I'm pretty sure this was Easter morning.
19:41But they look happy.
19:44How is it that your dad was capable of something so horrific to two people that you loved?
19:53I think my dad was only able to do this because he wasn't thinking about how I was going to feel.
20:02He wasn't thinking about the after.
20:04He was just in the moment.
20:05I don't think he thought about how I was going to live without him and my grandparents.
20:12He just did it.
20:13I really think, like, just when you're using in general, like when you're on drugs in general, you're a selfish person.
20:24So my dad had taken a clothing line that you would use to dry clothes outside, and he strangled her with it.
20:43And then my grandpa heard everything, came in with his gun, my dad took the flashlight, and it was a big, heavy-duty one, like it was pretty big, and he hit my grandpa in the head with it, and then took the gun and shot my grandpa.
21:02Does it take an evil person to do what he did?
21:15I wouldn't ever say that my dad was evil.
21:17I think he was going through his own stuff, and he made it his parents' problem.
21:29I think he was hurting and he was angry, but the way he is now and the person who he's, like, become and turned into, I wouldn't, like, evil would never even be on my mind to, like, to describe my dad to somebody.
21:47Why did you want to do this interview?
22:18To get my side of the story out.
22:21Going through the trial, the media doesn't really post anything about my cares or desires or wants.
22:28It was all the crime, how brutal it was and how bad of a person I was.
22:32I'm completely different now.
22:34That's not me.
22:36I don't believe that I'm evil.
22:38I don't think I'm evil at all.
22:40There was a Bible in every room in my house growing up.
22:42There was also abuse, physical, mental, sexual, all kinds.
22:49Honestly, I don't care what anybody else thinks, you know?
22:52Killer, murderer, psycho, monster.
22:55That's not me.
22:56That really wasn't me.
22:57I'm the exact opposite of what society has labeled me as.
23:13God is not something that I just found in prison.
23:16I am a believer.
23:17I do believe.
23:19But, of course, yeah, I fear God.
23:22I know God.
23:22I have a relationship with the Lord.
23:28Would you mind taking me through the details of the day that you murdered your parents?
23:39It was cold outside.
23:40I was actually sleeping in my van in their driveway.
23:44I wasn't allowed to stay in their house.
23:46I wasn't the best person in the world.
23:48You know, I was addicted to drugs for a while, and so I wasn't trusted.
23:54I made that bed for myself, so I ended up laying it.
23:58Later on that evening, me and my mother were kind of in an argument about the custody of my daughter.
24:04They wanted me to sign over custody of her to them for the wrong reasons.
24:10Got into an argument about it.
24:11And I told her that the way that I was treated when I was a child, if they ever treated my daughter like that, that I would kill somebody.
24:18I would kill whoever treated my daughter that bad.
24:22Just go.
24:23You did this to me.
24:24Don't accept all of your daughter.
24:25Don't accept all of your daughter.
24:26Don't accept all of your daughter.
24:28And the next thing she said was she asked me if I was going to kill her or my father.
24:32And somewhere in my twisted mind, full of emotions, I lost control and assumed that she said something happened to my daughter.
24:42I just, I lost it.
24:43I lost control.
24:45What happened next?
24:48I murdered her, strangled her to death.
24:52Went and knocked on the bedroom door and told my father that my mother needed him.
24:57She was in the kitchen.
24:58And then, uh, he walked out, seen her on the floor.
25:08And I beat him to death with a flashlight.
25:21Did he come out with a gun?
25:23No.
25:24Never come out with a gun.
25:25I lied about six or seven different times.
25:29Uh, he never come out with a gun.
25:30I went and knocked on the door.
25:31I told him she was in there.
25:32She needed him.
25:34And he walked by me.
25:36I followed him in there.
25:36And as soon as he turned around and looked at me, I just, I took off on him.
25:42It was over.
25:44But then you ended up shooting him?
25:46I did.
25:46Um, after I was done, I felt that he had enough.
25:51I'm still making noises.
25:52He was dead.
25:53But, uh, his heart was still pumping, so he was still functioning.
25:57I kind of shot him just to put him out of his misery.
25:59After your mother was on the floor, you could have walked away.
26:15You could have left the house.
26:16Why did you go get your father?
26:18I don't know.
26:20I don't know.
26:21Um, not that they deserved it, but if I had to pick one, I would have to say he would have deserved it.
26:28So, after her, there was, there was no stopping that.
26:31He was next.
26:32He was the one that put me through the abuse that I went through as a kid.
26:35You know, uh, so.
26:39What did you do after your parents were dead?
26:41Oh, man.
26:42Um, I went in their bedroom, and I took a full bottle of Xanax and opened it up and started chewing on them like M&Ms.
26:51And, uh, then I, I was gone.
26:55I took my father's debit card.
26:56I took their car, took some weed that I found, and, and I was gone.
27:03What was your thought process doing that?
27:05There was no thought process.
27:06There was no thought process at all.
27:08You know, I don't, I don't really know.
27:10What are you supposed to do?
27:11I tell you what, when they get together and write a book and say what to do after you murder somebody, let me read it.
27:17And I would love to see the answers to that, because I don't, I don't know what the protocol is for that.
27:22I don't know what normal operation is after you murder somebody.
27:26I don't know what you're supposed to do.
27:27I, I knew I was going to prison.
27:32After that, there's only one of two things, prison or death.
27:34I, I knew something was coming.
27:37When my mom told me what happened, I don't remember saying anything.
27:48I just remember standing up and then turning to her parents.
27:53And I just remember crying.
27:55Just being seven-year-old me, I'm just like, I'm never going to see them again.
27:59And like, I just lost three people.
28:02I lost my dad, my grandma, and my grandpa.
28:06And like, I was just crying.
28:08Like, I just felt the loss of all three of them all at once.
28:13As a kid, I don't think I did process it.
28:16Like, even talking about my grandparents now, like, I can feel like I'm getting shaky.
28:20I can feel like I'm going to start tearing up.
28:22Like, I could cry about it.
28:23I can, like, feel the exact same feeling I had when I was, like, laying in my bed, crying myself to sleep at night.
28:31Like, knowing that they're gone and, like, I'm not getting them back.
28:40I do forgive my dad for everything that's happened.
28:44I forgive him for what he did to my grandparents.
28:47And it's mainly because if he hadn't gone to prison, I don't believe he'd be alive right now.
28:52I don't think he ever would have gotten sober.
28:55I blame the drugs for almost all of his behavior.
28:58I don't want to give him a pass because he was on drugs.
29:01A lot of people are on drugs.
29:03I mean, it's obviously a problem in this world, but not everybody is killing their parents.
29:09So, yes, my dad was the one that did, he did kill my grandma.
29:13He killed my grandpa.
29:15He took my favorite people away from me.
29:18But, like, I really want to know, like, if he thinks if he wasn't using drugs that day, if he was sober that day.
29:24Like, I want to know, like, how he would have reacted differently.
29:29Liz wants to know if you weren't on drugs that day, would you have been capable of killing them?
29:35If I weren't on drugs that day, I wasn't on drugs that day.
29:42I don't understand it.
29:44She thinks that you were on drugs that day.
29:47Oh, I was not.
29:48Not at the time.
29:50I was sober.
29:51Not at the time.
29:54I did not do what I did because I was high.
29:58Do you believe Louis when he says his parents abused him?
30:14I don't believe he was abused.
30:27But if you were abused for years, and at a very young age,
30:36why would you put anybody around them that you care about, that you love?
30:46It just doesn't make sense to me.
30:50I guess my question would be to him about that.
30:53Why would you let our children go there, spend the night, or the whole weekend by themselves,
31:09knowing that this happened to you, and letting our child spend time with them by herself?
31:18I don't know if I believe it.
31:23Tanya wants to know, why would you trust your parents that abused you
31:28to take Liz for overnight visits and to have them keep her
31:35if they did such horrible things to you?
31:40I can't answer that.
31:42I don't know.
31:45I have no idea.
31:47I just buried it.
31:48I buried everything, you know?
31:50Why do wives let their husbands beat the brakes off of them
31:55and keep going home and cooking dinner for them every day
31:57until she gets so fed up with it that she blows his brains out
32:01when he's taking a nap on the couch one night?
32:03I don't know.
32:03I don't know.
32:04I've been asked that question.
32:06It was like a monster that just kept eating and getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
32:10A lot of kids have been abused in their life, horrible abuse,
32:17but they don't end up killing someone.
32:22You're absolutely right.
32:23A lot of them grow up and become successful, good husbands, good fathers.
32:28Some of them end up living in their guilt and their shame
32:34and they end up being homeless, struggling to find a place to live.
32:40They stay junkies.
32:41Some of them end up taking the path that I took.
32:44I just made bad choices
32:45and my bad choices were way worse than a lot of other people's bad choices.
32:49Liz wants to know if you weren't on drugs that day,
33:07would you have been capable of killing them?
33:12Elizabeth, I was not high when I did what I did, you know?
33:16I don't...
33:17And how words that you were capable of killing them
33:21if you can't use the I was high as an excuse?
33:25I think she wants to know, how does that happen?
33:35Loss of self-control, no control.
33:39Anger, rage, fear.
33:44Fear.
33:46Selfishness.
33:47It was selfishness.
33:55I honestly feel like I just made my own little thing up in my head to, like...
34:00I don't know if it was to, like, make me feel better at the time.
34:03Thinking about, like, my dad and, like, how could he do this?
34:05Like, if he was high,
34:07that's probably when I did it.
34:10Because I feel like I've done it for more, like, memories that I have.
34:13Does it change your perspective of him now, like, knowing that he was capable of killing his parents completely sober?
34:20I mean, it doesn't change my perspective on him now, because he's a different person now.
34:25I murdered her, strangled her to death, went and, uh, knocked on the bedroom door, told my father that my mother needed him.
34:43She was in the kitchen, and then, uh, he walked out, seen her on the floor, and, uh, I beat him to death.
34:52With a flashlight, a mag light.
34:54Did he come out with a gun?
34:58No.
34:59Never come out with a gun.
35:01Uh, police report, confession.
35:04I lied about six or seven different times.
35:07And, uh, he was making noises, gargling.
35:09And, uh, I kind of shot him just to put him out of his misery.
35:13I feel like I've heard the version of, like, my grandpa coming out with a gun and my dad taking it from him, but, um, I don't know if I've, like, heard that one.
35:38Does that make you change your mind about him at all?
35:41No, nothing from any of the videos I've watched changes my mind about my dad.
35:50I feel like you're, like, a little bit, like, these are your grandparents.
35:54You loved your grandmother, and he took them away, and he's telling you right now the gruesome details of taking their lives.
36:02I know, and it's...
36:05I'm, I think, just in my head, I think since I was young, since everything happened,
36:10like, I can't process stuff well because of everything, and I wasn't taught how to, so I think I'm just, I'm separating him.
36:18And, like, yeah, he's saying it, and, like, like, right now, like, I'm shaking.
36:21Like, I'm, like, I'm upset by it, but I'm not upset with him.
36:24I don't know, like, like, I know he did awful things, but, like, I think I've forgiven him for it, so I'm, it's not like I'm looking past it.
36:38It's just, that's not who he is, and I know that, so he's just, that's not him.
36:45That's the other person.
36:59Now, Tanya wants to know, did you love her, or did you love the drugs more?
37:03Oh, man, I loved her.
37:07I've known her since I was a child, you know?
37:10We were just together for all the wrong reasons.
37:13Our life, our life together was built on, if this makes any sense, blind necessity.
37:20You know, she needed somebody in her life, I needed somebody in mine, and we knew each other, so we thought it was going to work.
37:26It's like two friends in the prison system.
37:28Hey, you want to be my celly? We're great buddies. We get along great.
37:32Sure, and then they move in, and it's a disaster.
37:35You know, that's what that was.
37:37We were both immature.
37:40Neither one of us really wanted to be responsible.
37:42We liked the idea, you know?
37:46Yeah.
37:47I loved her more than I loved the drugs.
37:55Hmm.
37:56And that clip made me a little emotional.
38:11And I didn't know what he would say on that one, you know?
38:15Because, you know, lately we just don't get along.
38:19He's been in my life for so long.
38:24And every time we talk on the phone, we're at each other's throats.
38:29And it's been like that for 11 years on and on.
38:34Because I'm angry, he's angry.
38:37And I just figured he hated me.
38:40Thinking about my childhood now, it's not much like,
38:57oh my God, I can't believe this all happened to me.
38:59Like, I feel like everything that happened, like, in my childhood,
39:02like, with my dad, with my mom, everything I'd gone through,
39:04everything I've witnessed, been around,
39:07I feel like it all made me, like, who I am.
39:14My relationship with my dad today is really good.
39:19He's just always been, like, understanding,
39:21and he's always been the one that's, like, had my back.
39:24So I feel like I've always done the same for him.
39:30I think if my dad didn't go to prison,
39:32he would have been shot and killed.
39:33He would have overdosed.
39:35Or he would have put us all in a situation
39:38that, like, you couldn't come back from.
39:41So I do think prison saved my dad.
39:44His eyes...
40:06He looks like he had no remorse.
40:14He looks very zombified in this picture.
40:17If he was reformed, a man of God,
40:26why does he look so mad?
40:31He can't be out here and be free and be normal because he was really never too normal, you know?
40:46He should have spent the rest of his life in prison.
40:59He could have spent the rest of his life in prison.
41:01I thought I knew who my brother was.
41:17As soon as I stabbed him, my dribbling went all the way up.
41:21I just started going through the house looking for people.
41:24That's not my brother.
41:26I lost my brother a long time ago.
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