- 5/27/2025
Justice join us in the studio for an #AudacyCheckIn to talk about their hit with Tame Impala, "Neverender," and what's next for the French dance duo 🎤
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00:00that's why it was easy to make it's not like oh let's meet and make like a song
00:04yeah and you have no idea what you're doing he had the vision of what you wanted to do so it was easy
00:13justice our duo is here how's it going guys welcome to the studio thanks for
00:17the time hello bro thanks for receiving us yeah how you feeling great great yeah it's
00:24been a great year already i mean congrats on never ender hyper drama how has the year been so far
00:28it's it's may feels like it's flying by how would you describe it yeah we can't believe how fast
00:33it's going and that the album is one year old already uh no it feels pretty good like uh we
00:39were embracing the moment still uh trying to process uh all the small things that are happening it's
00:47feeling good yeah sure flies by when you have new stuff out um and you guys took a hiatus for a
00:52little bit right was it like seven years close to that we didn't really the thing is that we are
00:56just very slow at making things yeah and uh and we only took maybe like i don't know like four
01:02five months of holiday really yeah so it's just the process that took that long i was going to ask
01:06if you like the whole thing was like cold turkey no music but you're always working on music right
01:10yeah like like we we by the time we finished like the touring and everything from the previous album
01:16it was 2019 already yeah and we started like working just after the pandemic and we spent three
01:22years working on this album it was long but it didn't feel painful it was just like relax yeah it
01:28was like the right amount of time to make what you made yeah absolutely how does it feel getting back
01:33to things like this perspective change at all or is it just like the right amount of time to
01:38to come into it with fresh eyes because i'll take a vacation and i'll come back and i'm like oh my brain
01:42works again yeah but our secret is that we take uh vacations every other week so we would yeah one
01:48week on the record then take one week off perfect then come back just in order to always be a bit uh
01:55fresh and also wanting to go there because when you spend too much time not stopping then you start
02:02like saturating and focusing on maybe the wrong details yeah i'm gonna tell my boss that like we need
02:07we need at least every other week off and that would be healthy yeah yeah what do you do that
02:12recharges you the most uh just hanging out with family meeting well just seeing other things yeah
02:20well hyperdrama it's an album that you say you should listen to from front to end which obviously
02:25there's people who love albums people who prefer singles nowadays it seems to lean more singles but like
02:31what do you do to make the fans you know make sure to start with it at the beginning and listen to it all
02:36the way through unfortunately we have no control over that we make albums to be listened to this that
02:42way we know that there's maybe a 0.001 of people who take the time and and that's fine because it's
02:51a huge commitment to sit down for an hour and listen to something you know and even ourselves we we don't
02:58do it so often so we completely understand that people don't have time to to do that that's true
03:04it's a busy world what is a detail though on the album that you're like particularly proud of
03:09that maybe us as like the non-music you know makers wouldn't notice uh what it's like it's
03:16there's so many uh details i have to think about it yeah uh there is a beer bottle hidden somewhere on
03:25the record oh yeah like like the the percussion that you hear in your left ear on never render
03:31is made with a beer bottle you know like like at the end when we recorded some of the parts
03:36to produce the song we had a drummer like uh to make some some tracks and we told him okay because
03:44we demoed it as a triangle like the ting ting ting and we told him okay can you play that with a
03:50triangle and uh and he listened to the the track and he said no i'm gonna do it with a beer bottle
03:57give me a beer so he drank the beer why and then he played it just with a beer bottle and we have a
04:03video of this actually he's an amazing drummer like like he plays like every time you hear live drums on
04:09the record that's him and and he's like so he's like a classical musician then he was playing in
04:15jazz band so he's a jazz drummer and uh and we love people who are not afraid of uh doing things a
04:22bit differently like sometimes he would play the hi-hat with his hand because he would play and we
04:28would keep on telling him without seeing him yeah like make it softer softer softer and at some point
04:33why yeah yeah that's it and we want to see him and he was playing with one stick in one hand and just
04:38with your hand whoa it's like is that your toe you know he's just bringing out different body parts
04:43that's crazy about the beer bottle though too is he like drinking a little bit to change the keys or
04:48the right amount yeah right i want a beer i love that and for the majority of other instruments you
04:53guys played the most of them right yeah yeah yeah like like the only things we didn't do were the
04:58drums and the orchestra on the generator is that just because you have a very specific vision for it
05:03you'd rather do it yourself that's one thing and the other thing is that we didn't want any of these
05:10instruments to sound like real instruments and uh and so like the we know that we have to make it
05:17ourselves in order to get what we want otherwise we would have like those musicians stuck with us
05:23for like weeks really so we we do it ourselves it's almost like a different language within the
05:28instruments it is yeah yeah wow well congrats on all the work with uh wake me up with the weekend
05:33so cool i mean being the opening track on the album do you go into it with a different mindset knowing
05:38that it's going to be the first song off the project yeah yeah yeah and that was the initial
05:41idea of this track when when he got in touch with us uh and that was a long time ago we were still
05:47working on our album that that was like the thing he wanted like to make something that sounds like an
05:52like a proper intro and uh and that was his idea to make something like classical music
05:59so that's the first section of the song we started to work on and yeah it's definitely that's a very
06:04clear brief so we know exactly what we that's why it was easy to make it's not like oh let's meet and
06:10make like a song yeah and you have no idea what you're doing he had the vision of what you wanted to
06:15do so it was easy okay amazing you guys have talked about how much sci-fi themes and movies have kind
06:20of impacted the sound um is there any specific that come to mind like that you would say have been
06:25the most influential yeah but it's definitely blade runner yeah the old one and akira and both for
06:34for the same reasons first is that we saw them being kids so they are like uh they really impregnated
06:41us and the other thing is that because of the time period they were made uh in there was a thing about
06:48like uh craftsmanship and also like the amount of means you put to do something that makes that
06:56like when you look at blade runner you believe everything because there's not so much cgi it's
07:01really matte painting and miniatures and everything and that makes it still more believable today than
07:07any modern films yeah and akira has the same thing they had like almost like unlimited like teams and
07:14budget to do like an animation film and uh and there's something with the handmade type of stuff
07:22that you still can't really replicate now with uh with cgi and computers so yeah i was just reading
07:28about that with like indiana jones even you know like that big rock was real that was chasing them and
07:33you can't like you can't recreate that with cgi and make it believable so i know exactly what you mean
07:38like it's so important it'll just lasts more in your head but like everything like like uh like whether it's
07:43a film or record or whatever that's the main core of things and then it's the accumulation of small
07:49details that really make a difference at the end and just the fact that a boulder is gonna have like
07:55some texture and and some weight is gonna behave in a way that a computer can't really uh program and
08:05understand you can't fake it yeah that's such a good point well you guys have been together for a while
08:09now working um what is like the best thing about being a duo maybe the worst thing about being a
08:14duo in this day and age the best thing is that uh because we're two there can't be any coalitions
08:20you know if we are three then there would be like two of these people that would get together like to
08:27try to backstab the third one that's true that could be the worst thing too when you are two
08:33it's like perfectly uh democratic and uh and the worst thing uh yeah i can't really see any downside
08:43being too yeah maybe the expenses no you gotta pay for double yeah but that's fine that's totally fine
08:51when you guys are working on um you've headlined some of the biggest festivals in the world what's
08:56been the most like stressful part of translating your sound from a studio to a stage like that well like
09:01the tricky thing is like to uh because when we make a record we don't take like the efficiency of
09:09it in consideration at all so we make records and we make them to feel good for us at the moment we're
09:14listening to them uh playing live is like the opposite of that we have to make sure that it hits
09:22uh the people in a certain way uh that it will work with people who don't know our music because we
09:28play a lot of festivals yeah and a lot of uh people attending maybe they know one track sometimes
09:34they don't even know who we are what the what music we're making so it becomes a bit more like a
09:39scientific it's more like a scientist work and we have to make all this work imagining how it's gonna
09:46be with an audience uh which is like uh sometimes uh deceitful because you can't really predict what's
09:55gonna you can only predict an amount of what's gonna happen and the rest is a mystery until you
10:01you make it on stage yeah in the studio sessions is there any one thing that you guys need to take
10:06in there with you whether it's a musical side or something non-musical um otherwise you're like you
10:11know what we got to do it a different day what's the one necessity when you're going in for a session
10:15our computer and really that's it yeah that's the beauty of 2025 yeah is that now a laptop
10:23like has so much power oh yeah right so even like five years or six years ago it was not possible
10:30but no other than that we're not attached to any tool or to any synth or any because it's almost like
10:39every song or every project needs a different set of tools yeah and uh and we don't want to be
10:46relying on specific plugins or machine of course it's like that with so many jobs now right you
10:52could do it from anywhere where's like one of the most unique places you've been working on a song
10:56well nothing really special like everyone else we do like hotel rooms yeah uh trains planes anything
11:04mobile yeah on the move anywhere there's electricity yeah i saw something cool that like the all american
11:10rejects were doing you know they're doing this house party tour where people can sign up on their
11:14website and they might come to your house and like put on a show which is just as such a clever idea but
11:19also so random what is like the most random event that you might want to play at i think we had our
11:27fair share of weird places especially in the beginning yeah we played like we used we refer to it as the
11:35techno cave it was somewhere in germany it was a cave it was a proper cave wow yeah only dudes in
11:43uh army clothes yeah it was weird we were playing like proper like uh raves it's not even raves i don't
11:50know what it was germany you take like three planes then you drive five hours you're in a cave and you
11:57play at seven a.m you know in a cave yeah so that was it and then you you go to get paid in another cave
12:04and there's a guy with a table and just like stacks of money in front of him and you just go there you
12:10take your stack don't ask questions yeah i was like yeah we got you booked for a rave oh rave we
12:15said cave this sounds like an email typo or something nope that's a real cave that's wild
12:21well congrats on all the success it's so fun to see never ender is it like unique when a song does
12:26that because i'm sure you don't make music expecting it to be like you know number one or hit on the radio
12:31what's the feelings like when you see it doing so well commercially i guess yeah it's it's amazing
12:36because that's one of the thing we we like there's a handful of people on earth who know how to make
12:42these songs we definitely are not those people and even kevin uh parker even if taming palace is huge
12:51uh i don't think he makes things intentionally and that's why we love this taming palace so much
12:57it's because it managed like to be something very significant without compromising on anything and still
13:05being very uh particular and specific and uh and and it's and it's it's it's great like when we wrote
13:12the song like the three of us we felt good about it because it's uh we felt light-hearted about it
13:19but then we it's only when we played it at coachella last year before the album release so the song was
13:26uh not uh known that we saw that people had an immediate reaction on something they don't know
13:34which is uh which we took as a good uh as a good omen and uh and it's cool we always say that a hit
13:41is a collective hallucination you don't know why your song makes it somewhere it's just at that
13:47sub point there's a bunch of people who think oh that's this this is what i want to hear
13:52mm-hmm and this is something that we don't really have any control over so it's cool there's no test
13:59like coachella right to debut something what a spot yeah yeah it was very stressful to start there
14:05but but at the same time it's uh it's great because you learn a lot more about your show and what to
14:13improve by starting playing your first show there oh yeah than by playing for example the show for like
14:19your audience yeah and they are much more forgiving yeah you go to you play a big festival like this
14:25you will know exactly immediately what instant feedback yeah yeah i love that they you know
14:30grabbed onto it so well it's someone like a team impala too where it's such a nostalgic sound you know
14:36with his voice and obviously your music that yeah i i'm not surprised at all that people
14:40grabbed onto it right away but um well lastly on that song like we're playing on the radio coming
14:45up on the show what is uh the mindset what should people be doing in their cars and while they're
14:50listening to this song paint the picture for them they should uh remember uh the hardest of the times
14:58that they can't forget yeah no i mean for us it's cruising music you know yeah it's like you go
15:05somewhere like here it's perfect los angeles yep you ride you put the music not too loud and you just
15:12embrace the world and the and the beauty of it absolutely keep the seat belts on no swerving
15:17yes enjoy the ride well congrats on everything it's really cool to meet you guys in person
15:22thanks for the time and uh good luck on all the shows can't wait to see you out on the road soon
15:25thank you thank you thank you thanks for having us
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