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00:00Peter Schrager on the situation for Drake May.
00:04He's not worried about the four picks because he's got Josh McDaniels.
00:07He's got Mike Vrabel.
00:09Can't think of a better spot for Drake May.
00:11I could definitely think of some.
00:12I mean, for sure there are better spots.
00:15No better spots for him.
00:16For a quarterback?
00:17You know, like McVay or Shanahan?
00:20You don't have to like those guys, but for a quarterback and an offense?
00:23Andy Reid.
00:24I feel like there's a lot of better spots.
00:26Like what?
00:27Like from the guy that ran the Raiders into the ground and the guy that ran the Broncos
00:32into the ground and the guy that played, you know, Ryan Tannehill and Marcus Mariota, best
00:36spot in the league.
00:37It's a better spot than last year.
00:39I agree with that.
00:40And it's a significantly better spot than last year.
00:43What did he say there?
00:43The Delta?
00:44Which I am.
00:45I'm loosely familiar with that term, but the difference of a jet blue guy, the difference
00:49between coaching a year ago to this year, he is going to be more well coached.
00:53There's no doubt about that.
00:54You can't be more poorly coached than a year ago.
00:56It's a much better baseline.
00:58But let's not go too far with it.
00:59No.
01:00Please.
01:00I mean, we're going a little overboard there.
01:04But I think, you know, last year he is a rookie adjusting to the NFL and he had what
01:12he had around him.
01:13So like that had to be a little shell shocking.
01:16And so you get through that and now you come into this year and you're like, all right,
01:19this is a much more professional, buttoned up, guys are in like the right roles, right?
01:25Like Mayo shouldn't have been a head coach and Van Pelt shouldn't have been a coordinator.
01:28And it's like, that's what you got.
01:30And now you have guys that have done both of these jobs for years and years and years.
01:34So you're automatically in a better situation, let alone the talent around you appears to
01:39be better too.
01:396-1-7, 7-7-9, 7-9-3-7.
01:42People say, and I complained a lot about Mac Jones.
01:44Now I'm going to rip Drake May.
01:46Well, that just feels consistent.
01:47Trust me.
01:47If Mac threw four picks at an OTA, I would rip it.
01:50And I acknowledge it's just one passing camp in the middle of the offseason.
01:56It's not the most significant day on the NFL calendar, but you should be able to acknowledge
02:00he turned it over a lot last year.
02:01And he did.
02:02He had the 10 picks last year, had the two lost fumbles.
02:05Turnovers were an issue.
02:07And some people are explaining away some of them.
02:09I mean, a couple picks for sure.
02:10Hunter Henry handed one away.
02:11Kayshawn Booty handed one away.
02:13I'm sure he got away with some too, if you want to go back and really break it down.
02:16So the number was the number.
02:18And I don't feel like we played that game with all the other quarterbacks.
02:20When Josh Allen threw picks early in his career, we mocked him.
02:23So I was telling you, he needs to clean it up.
02:25And yesterday didn't feel like a step towards that.
02:28And I wonder if we take enough of a critical look when we do our win totals, Keith, for
02:33instance, you have them for 10.
02:34I have them for a lot.
02:35We go through the schedule.
02:36We're like, win this, win that.
02:37Look at this quarterback.
02:38Look at that quarterback.
02:39Look at this team.
02:40The Patriots are definitely better than they were a year ago.
02:43They're more talented.
02:43They're more well coached.
02:44It's an easier schedule.
02:45They should win more games.
02:47Have we taken a critical enough look at May and what he's actually going to be this year?
02:51I think that's a fair question.
02:52Yeah, maybe we haven't.
02:54And I also think, and somebody on Twitch pointed this out the other day, and they're right.
02:58When other teams are doing the same exercise, when the Giants and the Browns and the Raiders
03:03and the Steelers are doing their, who are you playing?
03:05They're like, oh, the Patriots?
03:06Like, oh, that's a good week.
03:07Right.
03:07So Carolina Panthers fans probably look at it and go, the four win Patriots and Drake May?
03:14Yeah.
03:14Now, I think they would be like, oh, they have a competent, successful NFL head coach there
03:19now.
03:19And they did spend a lot in free agency.
03:22Not all the teams that they played spent a lot in free agency.
03:25And some of those teams even lost some of the good players that they had.
03:28So, I mean, that one works.
03:30This is a good tweet from Matthew.
03:32He says, Patriots fans are so warped that they went from the greatest quarterback of
03:38all time to soup can throws from Cam to a crybaby in Mac, who became the worst quarterback
03:43ever.
03:44So, having a glimpse of Drake May doing something competent last year has exploded fans' brains.
03:49There's a little bit of, I don't think we, and it's not, I'm not even, it's not even
03:53being, I'm not criticizing.
03:56It's hard to watch Tom Brady for 20 years.
03:58Yeah.
03:59And then watch any other quarterback play and like properly even be able to rate it.
04:02That's fair.
04:03So, Mac Jones had, or so yeah, so you have the Cam Newton year and you're like, what the
04:06hell was even this?
04:07He's like running.
04:08People are like, well, you're not including the rushing touchdowns.
04:10That was the big argument.
04:11Remember?
04:11You're like talking up Cam Newton.
04:14It's like, he's throwing like five touchdowns.
04:16Right.
04:16You need to throw more touchdowns.
04:18And then you go to Mac Jones and you see like a little, maybe a glimpse.
04:21He's a first round pick.
04:22So, you're trying to talk yourself into it.
04:23And then that just falls off a cliff afterwards.
04:26And then last year, you start the year with Jacoby Brissett, which was such a pain in the
04:30ass.
04:30And then you finally go to Drake May.
04:32And you're right.
04:33There were times where it looked pretty good.
04:34So, you're trying to really talk yourself into it.
04:37Yeah.
04:37Here's the thing.
04:37And here's how I would say it.
04:38I still believe in Drake May.
04:39Yeah.
04:39I believed in him a ton in the pre-draft process.
04:42I believed in him when I saw it last year.
04:45He should have started over Jacoby Brissett, like you just said, week one.
04:47No brainer.
04:48I liked what I saw in large part in year one, but it wasn't perfect.
04:52He didn't win enough games and he turned it over too much.
04:54So, he's got to make strides towards that in year two.
04:56Even though I still believe in him, people act like he's a lock.
05:00And I just, I think that's what I'm pushing back on.
05:02Like, the guy's not a lock.
05:04We've seen quarterbacks come out and have good rookie years.
05:06Good quarterbacks.
05:07Baker Mayfield's a great quarterback.
05:08Awesome.
05:09Keith doesn't like him as much as I do.
05:10No, I love him.
05:10I'm going to update my rankings for the season.
05:12But Baker Mayfield, ping pong between great season, bad season, great season, bad season.
05:18And he hasn't really found his footing until he's on, what, his third or fourth team.
05:21Well, and like fifth coordinator, fifth coach.
05:24He's played for a million different guys.
05:25He's not, let's just not act like Drake May is a lock.
05:27I believe in him.
05:28Yeah, yeah.
05:28But I'll tell you right now, I'm not sure that's going to come to fruition.
05:32I'm also not sure about the confidence in Mike Vrabel.
05:34Keith?
05:35Is Mike Vrabel a top 10 coach?
05:36Let me just ask that as a blanket statement.
05:38Do you feel like he's a top 10 coach in the NFL?
05:40Without doing the actual breakdown one through 32, I would say no.
05:44Okay.
05:45I don't think so either.
05:46But I don't think it's far from there.
05:47Like that to play the semantic game.
05:49I bet if I did the exercise, he's probably 12.
05:51So like somewhere in there, 13.
05:52Here's the reason I asked.
05:53Part of it was sparked by what Schrager said coming back.
05:56And part of it was, I saw this making the rounds on social media yesterday.
05:59It's just a random coaching draft they did.
06:01I like a good draft.
06:02Greg Rosenthal, NFL.com.
06:04So here's their top 10.
06:06You tell me if you think Vrabel's better than some of these names, okay?
06:08Yep.
06:09Andy Reid.
06:09I think he's better.
06:10Sean McVay.
06:11Better.
06:11Dan Campbell.
06:13So better.
06:14Better.
06:14But like there's something up there.
06:16You got to give Campbell the edge today.
06:17Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
06:18But this year, by the end of the year, we might look at it and go, yeah, Campbell wasn't really
06:22that great.
06:23It was all Ben Johnson.
06:24Right now, if you could swap the coaches, would you?
06:27Like in this particular situation, I know that's a different question, but like, I don't
06:32know if I would swap him, but like for the sake of this exercise, I'll say he's better.
06:36He's had a lot of success.
06:37I think I would swap him, but we might talk about this very differently after this year.
06:40I acknowledge that.
06:41Kevin O'Connell.
06:42Oh, I love him.
06:43Shanahan.
06:44Yes.
06:45Shanahan's got issues, but he's a better coach.
06:47He's got a ceiling, it seems like, but yeah, he's better.
06:50John Harbaugh.
06:51Yes.
06:51Better.
06:52Sean Payton.
06:53No, I don't like Sean Payton.
06:55You'll take Vrabel over Payton.
06:56Yeah, yeah, yeah.
06:57I don't like Sean Payton.
06:58Payton just went to the playoffs with a rookie quarterback drafted after Drake May.
07:01Okay.
07:02Oh, you got Bo Nix.
07:03Okay.
07:03I love Bo Nix.
07:04I don't love Bo Nix.
07:06Matt LaFleur.
07:07Yeah, I think he, I mean, he wins a lot of games.
07:09D'Amico Ryans.
07:11So begrudgingly.
07:12Yeah, he is.
07:13I mean, they had like a little step back, but they're still in the playoffs.
07:16So.
07:16So Tomlin, that's your, that's the top 10.
07:18Tomlin, yeah.
07:19Tomlin or Vrabel?
07:21Uh, Tomlin.
07:22Okay.
07:22So you don't like Payton.
07:23You have questions about Campbell.
07:24So he's like eight or nine already.
07:26Let's get further into it.
07:28Jim Harbaugh.
07:28Oh yeah.
07:29Jim Harbaugh.
07:29Definitely.
07:30Okay.
07:30Sean McDermott.
07:31No.
07:32I don't love McDermott.
07:33Don't you have to give McDermott over Vrabel?
07:34No.
07:35Just because he has Josh Allen?
07:36Yeah.
07:36Okay, fine.
07:37Yeah.
07:37Pete Carroll.
07:39Uh, maybe at one point.
07:40I'd rather have Vrabel now.
07:42Okay.
07:42Than Pete.
07:43Here are the other names before Vrabel.
07:44Tell me if you like any of them, Dan Quinn, Nick Suriani, Kevin Stefanski, Mike McDaniel.
07:49So Dan Quinn, we talked about this last year in the playoffs.
07:52I remember I was shocked that Washington hired Dan Quinn over Bill Belichick.
07:56And then when you look back on it, you're like, well, Dan Quinn's done pretty well.
08:01If you want to, I think he's better.
08:03If you want to crawl about Mike Vrabel going to one AFC title game, Quinn's been to an NFC
08:08title game and a Super Bowl.
08:09Right.
08:10With different teams.
08:11Yeah.
08:11I think you have to say Dan Quinn.
08:13You wouldn't normally think that, but if you really dig into it, I would say Dan Quinn.
08:16Uh, I thought Stefanski was a good coach.
08:20It's hard to properly figure out Stefanski.
08:21He's a two time coach of the year.
08:23I would take, I would take Vrabel over Stefanski.
08:25I would too.
08:25I would too.
08:26But I think people would just dismiss him.
08:28Sirianni.
08:29So another one where I would probably say I'd rather have Vrabel than Sirianni, but the
08:33guy just won a Super Bowl.
08:35Right.
08:35And the same thing you said about Dan Campbell.
08:37If you swapped them, would you?
08:38So like Campbell, Sirianni, McDermott.
08:40Are they great coaches?
08:42Sirianni won a Super Bowl by getting out of the way.
08:44Yeah.
08:44Kind of.
08:45Yeah.
08:46I mean, AJ Brown almost shoved him in a locker.
08:49I don't really, I don't really respect Sirianni, but I think I would take Vrabel over all
08:51those guys.
08:52Yeah.
08:52I don't really respect Sirianni, but I feel like when you look at the two of them, you
08:55kind of have to give the edge to Sirianni.
08:57Yeah.
08:57I think I would take Vrabel over McDaniel.
08:59The whole McDaniel experience early on was kind of fun.
09:02Two years ago, I would have taken McDaniel.
09:04Yeah.
09:04But now I think because the offense looked as bad as it did, I'm like losing a little bit of
09:08faith in McDaniel.
09:09I'd take Vrabel over him.
09:10So we just went through all the different names.
09:12What about Ben Johnson?
09:14You didn't mention him.
09:15This list didn't have any rookie head coaches on there.
09:17Would you take Ben Johnson over him?
09:18Yeah.
09:18I mean, I'd rather have Ben Johnson.
09:19I would have rather have hired Ben Johnson over him as well.
09:21Good point.
09:22But we don't know.
09:22I guess we don't know if he's better.
09:23There's no track record there.
09:25That's why I think 12 is fair.
09:28He's clearly in the top half of the league.
09:30Yeah.
09:30I would say he's outside the top 10, but he's in the top 15.
09:34Yeah.
09:34But when you're talking about bringing along Drake May and there's no better situation and
09:38it's perfect for him, let's just not go too far with that.
09:40Well, no, because I specifically think just for Drake May, Kevin O'Connell, even Mike
09:45McDaniel, maybe, but like all those offensive genius guys, Ben Johnson, you hate Peyton,
09:50but Peyton for just for Drake May.
09:52Yeah.
09:52Yeah.
09:52I think for the team, I'd rather have Vrabel, but for specifically Drake May, I think Sean
09:56Peyton would probably get a better season out of him.
09:58So I think it is overstated to say there's no better situation.
10:01It's a, it's a good situation and it's light years better than it was a year ago, way better
10:05than, but you don't have to go to the next step to be like, no, no, where else in football
10:09you'd rather be 617-779-7937.
10:13Brandon's in Boston.
10:14Go ahead, Brandon.
10:15Oh, hold on.
10:16Let me take you off speaker.
10:18Please do.
10:19Be safe out there.
10:21Hey, hello.
10:22Yep.
10:23Hi, Brandon.
10:24What's going on?
10:24All right.
10:24So, you know, Jacob has the Patriots, you know, 10, 11 wins.
10:29I don't think this team's good enough to pencil and wins.
10:31You hear me?
10:32So Drake May won one out of 13 games.
10:35So you figure the next season coming with this one, he's probably another game better.
10:39So you talk about two games now with enhancements, with the new acquisitions that the Patriots
10:44had, you talk about three to four wins.
10:45So the margins for this team should be five to seven wins.
10:48Because if they go over that, great.
10:49But the pencil and wins and have that Bill Belichick and Tom Brady, you know, what's
10:57the word I'm looking for?
10:58Not sure.
10:58Yeah, dynastic, something like that.
11:00That's a wild jump around there.
11:03So one win?
11:06Oh.
11:06So he technically, you and I have said this before, like he really won one game.
11:10Yeah, because Jacoby Brissett, he gets credit for, but Brissett beat the Jets.
11:13And then he gets credit for the Joe Milton win against Buffalo, where he played a series.
11:16But then you can't do it that way, where you say, like, he only won one out of 13.
11:20Like, so he didn't lose the other two.
11:22You know what I'm saying?
11:22So like, you got to at least say the win total there was three.
11:25For the team, it was four.
11:27Vegas does not have the Patriots at 11.
11:29No, they haven't favored in 11 games.
11:30So maybe that's what he's talking about.
11:31The over-under is eight and a half.
11:32It's eight and a half.
11:33And in some places, it's seven and a half.
11:35No, it's weighted, right?
11:36You don't win as many hams, but it's seven and a half.
11:38Seven and a half, eight and a half.
11:39So that's not Tom Brady, Bill Belichick.
11:41Those guys' floor was like 12 wins every year.
11:44So nobody's going to that degree.
11:46But to say Drake May is good for two wins, I feel like that is the other extreme.
11:52Like, that's aggressive.
11:54I think you have to take into account their opponents.
11:57And we can talk about how much better the Patriots have gotten with coaching staff and with players.
12:02But one of the reasons, at least for me, the ballooned win total, I have 10, you have nine,
12:09is they play all of the bad teams.
12:11I mean, that's certainly all of it.
12:12Now, they're not going to win them all, but, like, they play all these horrible teams from a year ago.
12:16They have a great schedule.
12:17It's certainly how it looks now.
12:18The schedule can flip on a dime.
12:20Teams that look bad can be good.
12:21Teams that look good can be bad.
12:22I mean, that happens all the time.
12:23Washington looked like a layup a year ago.
12:25And they were in the NFC title game.
12:26So, I mean, that can flip.
12:27But right now, I fully agree.