Jones & Keefe: Is Andy Reid ahead of Bill Belichick?

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00:00And then you get into what they accomplished without their star quarterback.

00:02Yeah, this is where the conversation, I think, begins.

00:06Because those other numbers are pretty slam dunk right now for Belichick.

00:09I agree.

00:10Even the wins.

00:10If you just look on win percentage and total wins right now, that's still Bill.

00:13Here's where you get in the weeds.

00:15Bill is 83-104 lifetime without Tom Brady.

00:18That's a 444 win percentage.

00:2083-104.

00:22Yeah.

00:22So just real quick, that would be Matt Cassel, Jimmy Garoppolo, Mac Jones, Cam Newton,

00:28all the guys in Cleveland, Drew Bledsoe.

00:30Couple of Jacoby Brissett games.

00:31Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32Okay.

00:33Yeah.

00:33He's 83-104 with two playoff appearances.

00:36He's 1-2.

00:37And this is the stat I feel guys like Rex Ryan and others really want to point out.

00:42Coaches that are super jealous of Bill will point out the fact that if you have a record

00:47like that, you're not lasting very long in the NFL.

00:49You don't even get to get that kind of record in the NFL.

00:51And so look, he won a lot with Brady and they were great with Brady.

00:54He made the playoffs twice in his life without Brady.

00:58Andy Reid has been phenomenal.

01:00Obviously with Patrick Mahomes, he's been much better with Patrick Mahomes.

01:02He couldn't win without Patrick Mahomes a Super Bowl, but he got to one.

01:06He's 182-121.

01:086-0-1 win percentage without Mahomes.

01:1111-13 in the playoffs.

01:13I mean, that's sub 500, but he got to the playoffs pretty much every year.

01:17Well, he's 11-13.

01:18Without Mahomes.

01:19So 24 playoff games without Mahomes.

01:21Correct.

01:22I mean, they made an NFC title game four or five years in a row.

01:25That's mostly Donovan McNabb, Alex Smith.

01:28He had a Michael Vick year, didn't he?

01:29Yeah.

01:29Okay.

01:30So, I mean, if you're going to make the case for Andy Reid, it's that, well, yeah,

01:35he's closing it on Bill for all of these career accolades, the Super Bowls, the appearances,

01:39the total wins.

01:40And he accomplished so much more before he ever got Mahomes.

01:43He couldn't win, but at least he could make the playoffs and make a Super Bowl and make

01:47championship games.

01:48Bill couldn't even make the playoffs without Brady.

01:50No, Andy Reid's a really good coach without a Hall of Fame quarterback.

01:53Bill Belichick, you can't make that case for.

01:55Now, I give him a lot of credit for the 20-year run or 18-year run, I guess, whatever it was

01:59with Brady.

02:00I think sometimes people kind of skip past that and they're like, well, anybody could

02:03have done it.

02:04It's like, well, he did it, though, for all that time.

02:06So you're not going to remove those accolades away from it.

02:09But that's where I think the conversation is pretty interesting because who's better,

02:14Donovan McNabb or Drew Bledsoe?

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