🌕 From Vision to Victory! In this powerful episode, Brian Rose sits down with Carl "The Moon" Runefelt 🧠💫 to uncover how he used the Law of Attraction to go from working in a grocery store 🛒 to becoming a crypto millionaire and global influencer 🌍💸.
Carl breaks down how mindset and manifestation, helped him conquer the world of crypto 📊—and how you can do the same.
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Carl breaks down how mindset and manifestation, helped him conquer the world of crypto 📊—and how you can do the same.
⚡ Whether you're into crypto, personal growth, or just need inspiration to dream BIG—this one's for you.
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00:01The law of attraction and the universe can push us to do things we never thought we could do in the first place.
00:07November 2018, you're working as a supermarket cashier.
00:11Fast forward to today, you're flying a private jet to Paris,
00:14but you're also going to fly your Bugatti supercar in the hole alongside with you.
00:19Karl, how is this even remotely possible?
00:21Long story short, I started to research online about visualization, law of attraction,
00:25and I felt like that should be the answer.
00:27Three years after quitting my grocery store job, I did buy my Bugatti Veyron, my dream car.
00:32That was such a big moment for me. It just made it feel like I can do anything.
00:36What is the state of Bitcoin? Because a lot of changes have happened.
00:40It's crazy. The crypto space has now gone from a very small industry to be talked about on the highest levels of society.
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00:50So not only is their money flowing in, but they are inspiring other big entities to do the same.
00:55So Bitcoin could easily go above 250, 300k in this cycle.
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01:10He's the best person in the world. In the family, we all say he's the favorite.
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01:16A heart failure. And not only that, but also 11 surgeries on his leg to get this huge lymphangioma away.
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03:10We're learning from others and finding the best in ourselves.
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03:38This is London Real.
03:41I am Brian Rose.
03:42My guest today is...
03:43This is London Real.
03:53I am Brian Rose.
03:54My guest today is Karl Ruhmfeldt, a.k.a. Karl Moon.
03:57The former supermarket cashier turned YouTube influencer, cryptocurrency investor, philanthropist
04:02and entrepreneur.
04:04You are one of the biggest figures in crypto.
04:06Known for your bullish takes on Bitcoin, bold market calls and lavish Dubai lifestyle.
04:11You are the host of The Moon Show, your YouTube channel with 100 million views and have amassed
04:165 million followers across social media.
04:18You have been featured in Forbes 30 Under 30, Fox News and Business Insider.
04:23You are also the CEO of The Moon Group, founder and CEO of CryptoJobs.com and an active investor
04:28in over 400 crypto startups.
04:30You believe that Bitcoin is the Noah's Ark in the economic flood that is coming and a hedge
04:35against a failing financial system built on debt and manipulation.
04:39You have said that Bitcoin is getting ready for a huge resurgence and that altcoin season
04:44and the bull market are delayed, not canceled.
04:48You're also passionate about giving back, actively supporting charities for children
04:51with down syndrome and other disabilities.
04:54Karl, welcome to London Real in Dubai.
04:57Thank you so much, Brian.
04:58A pleasure.
04:59This is our third time, I guess now.
05:01Yeah.
05:02And I sincerely believe you are the best interviewer that I've engaged with.
05:07So happy to be here again.
05:08Dude, I'm pumped.
05:09Our previous two were remote.
05:10So this is the first time in the flesh and we're going to crush it.
05:13We're going to crush it.
05:14So look, I got to start and zoom way out.
05:16I mean, let's just get everybody up to speed.
05:19It was November 2018.
05:21You're working as a supermarket cashier in Sweden.
05:24I've seen the photos.
05:26You had a picture of a private jet on your phone for inspiration that your coworkers used
05:31to make fun of.
05:32All right.
05:33Fast forward to today.
05:34Next month, you're flying a private jet to Paris, but you're also going to fly your Bugatti
05:39supercar in the hole alongside with you.
05:44Carl, how is this even remotely possible?
05:47So, I mean, I, if I go back to when I was in the supermarket, that was a time when I was
05:54very confused about who I wanted to be or who I was.
05:58And I felt like I was not really, you know, doing something with my life that I could feel
06:04proud of.
06:05And I also had this bad sensation of my parents were disappointed in me.
06:12And that was one of the triggers for me to feel like I need to do something with my life.
06:17Like I don't want my parents to look at me with disappointment.
06:21I want them to look at me and feeling that they're proud.
06:24You know, like, I think everyone has that feeling.
06:27Right.
06:28And I, I used that feeling and, and made a change.
06:33I was like, you know, I have to now do something about it.
06:36So, I mean, long story short, I started to research online about, you know, visualization,
06:42law of attraction.
06:43I even, I even felt like that information about the law of attraction and about visualization,
06:51it, it was like getting pushed to me, actually.
06:55Like I was seeing, you know, signs and seeing, you know, it was like my intuition or signs and,
07:00and, um, uh, nudges from the universe that I have to look into that.
07:05And I felt like that should be the answer.
07:07So, uh, the moment I, I realized that this seems to be the answer.
07:12I just researched everything about the law of attraction, quantum physics, how everything
07:17is just energy.
07:18And I realized that, um, everything is energy, the world, our bodies, our thoughts, our words,
07:27our feelings, our actions, and our beliefs.
07:31Everything is energy and, um, energy will attract like energy.
07:37So, I, I realized that what I have to do is I need to change my energy in order to change
07:43my world.
07:44So, I was sitting in a supermarket as a cashier and I knew that I can actually, uh, almost
07:51like quantum jump, you could say, into a future where I can be whoever I want.
07:59And what I was visualizing was being wealthy, being healthy, being free, flying around the
08:07world in private jets.
08:08Because that was always one of my dreams, having crazy supercars like Bugatti's, uh,
08:13which has always been also my dream car since I was a kid.
08:17Um, and I realized that all of these things that are in the future, they're just energy.
08:21And they're just waiting, uh, for me to, to attract them or to accept them.
08:27You know, like they already exist.
08:29It's already like, um, it's not like I have to, um, you know, it, people make it seem like
08:36it's a mountain to climb.
08:38But the moment you feel like that, that's when it becomes hard.
08:42But when you, with the law of attraction, if you, um, feel like, um, you deserve something
08:50or you, you believe that you will get something and you feel like you already have it by being
08:55grateful, maybe for already things you have, uh, then you put out an energy into the world
09:01that will attract that reality.
09:03So that's what I was doing.
09:05Long story short, basically.
09:06And, um, yeah.
09:08Three years after quitting my grocery store job, I did buy my Bugatti Veyron, my dream car.
09:14And, um, that was such a big moment for me.
09:17That was, uh, incredible.
09:19That was, um, it just made it feel like I can do anything, you know, and that, that helps
09:25me also then visualize and, and, um, and conquer new goals because I knew that if I can do that,
09:31I can do anything.
09:32And I also know that everyone can do it because I was in the supermarket.
09:36I didn't have, you know, um, money available or like any network, no, no connections.
09:42Um, at least nothing that I could use for what I eventually did was, which was crypto.
09:47Right.
09:48So, um, if I can go from there to there, then yeah.
09:51And anyone can do it.
09:52And it all starts in the mind and the energy that we have.
09:55So.
09:56So it's almost like these things where they're waiting for you and they're just waiting for
10:00you to change the state of the energy and then they flow right to you.
10:03Yeah, exactly.
10:04So I would say like this, like there is a perfect future for everyone out there, like
10:09where we are our best version of ourselves.
10:13And that future is just waiting for us to accept it.
10:17Like we have to accept the destiny and like, um, choose to attract it.
10:23And it is there.
10:24So I think everyone has these different versions of realities that are, are just dormant until
10:33we accept them.
10:34And, uh, if, if you never change your vibrational energy to accept it, then we will always keep
10:40in the, um, autopilot default reality, which is usually very nine to five or like hamster
10:47wheel or, or anxiety.
10:49And, you know, just, um, normal day stresses that, that, uh, that keeps us in a perpetual
10:55loop of negative thinking.
10:57And that is actually also a very important point that you can, of course, use the law
11:02of attraction for good, but if you're not using it at all, then at least it will still
11:08be using you because if you keep negative thoughts and, and normal thoughts and start,
11:15just think about your normal life, then you will attract more of that because those thoughts
11:19have energy.
11:20So actually the law of attraction is like, um, gravity.
11:24It's not something you believe in or not.
11:26Like it's there is more like a radio.
11:29Are you tuned in or are you tuned out?
11:31So, um, it's very important to, to be mindful of the words we use and the thoughts we, we think
11:38and, and the actions we take, because it's all gonna, uh, completely, uh, choose the reality
11:45we live in.
11:46You're attracting a new reality every single day.
11:48You need to be conscious of it and try to attract something high energy, something beautiful,
11:53some dream, or if you're not careful, you're attracting the same or worse.
11:58If you're in all these self deprecating thoughts and negative energies, you're just taking yourself
12:03even further down, but it's happening regardless.
12:05Yeah, exactly.
12:06You know, we all, we have those friends that, uh, everyone knows someone who always complains,
12:11you know, like, Oh, I'm so tired.
12:12Like, Oh, I woke up so tired today.
12:14Like, Oh, I have to go to my job.
12:16I hate my job.
12:17Like all these words, it literally creates the reality that we're in.
12:22And even when I was in the supermarket, um, I was always, when I went to the supermarket,
12:28I was thinking like, okay, I'm happy to go to the supermarket.
12:31And I was like, I came into the, to the supermarket and I said hi to my employee.
12:36Like, not my employees, but like my colleagues, uh, in a, um, uh, very like friendly way, like
12:42a happy way.
12:43Like, you know, in the, in the morning, some people come, Oh, hello.
12:45How are you?
12:46You know?
12:47I was like, Hey, what's up guys?
12:48You know, to bring that vibe.
12:50And then my time there was actually pleasant.
12:53Like I enjoyed working there, um, on a day to day basis because I was using my, uh, my
13:00thoughts and my mindset to kind of get by.
13:02Then obviously longterm I knew that for my soul to like, feel really like happy and free.
13:09I need to do something more extraordinary, but even the small mundane day to day tasks
13:15can be made into something more fun.
13:18Could be also going to the gym.
13:19Like instead of saying, Oh, I have to go to the gym.
13:21It's like, ah, yes, I get to go to the gym today.
13:23You know?
13:24So these words and feelings are very important.
13:27You know, I, I got to interview the woman who made the movie, The Secret,
13:31Amanda Byrne, I think is her name.
13:33And, um, she told me about the making of it and how it was crazy.
13:36They were almost coming off budget, but she had the whole crew not thinking that way, just
13:41thinking positive.
13:42And she said the quickest hack for attracting money and success is to be happy.
13:46She's like, if you want to hack, you want the one word and you don't want to read the
13:50whole book, be happy.
13:51And you just said the same thing.
13:53And it's interesting because that state, that energy alone is probably going to get you
13:5710 times further than everybody else.
13:59Yeah.
14:00And I think maybe some people will be triggered like, Oh, how can I be happy now when I feel
14:04so sad?
14:05But I think the easiest way to, to be happy in the moment is actually to start with gratitude
14:10and gratitude.
14:11We all can practice it.
14:14It's, it's actually easier than we think because sure, maybe someone might say that, Oh,
14:19they're so poor.
14:20They have a bad situation.
14:21But even in that situation, probably this person still has running water, probably still
14:26has a warm shower, still probably can afford to have food on the table, hopefully.
14:32So, and even if that's not the case, there's always something we can find to be grateful
14:38of, maybe at least your parents are alive, your, your sisters alive.
14:41Like there is something you can sit down and reflect and think, I am so grateful for that
14:46thing.
14:47And that feeling is actually feeling of abundance.
14:51Because when we are grateful for even the smallest thing, it's, it's an energy of, I have, instead
14:58of, I have not, you know, so I think that is probably the key to the happiness.
15:05And that will actually help us then attract even more greatness.
15:10And, and speaking of that, I think that many people are always, you know, they're looking
15:19for happiness in the future.
15:20And when they think like this, it's very hard to be happy in the moment, right?
15:26Because we're chasing happiness.
15:28But actually, I think we should always realize that happiness, it should happen now, it should
15:33be really right now.
15:35And we have things available to us to feel happy.
15:39And then we just need to work with that, to then attract more things.
15:43And then eventually, when you, you come into your true self, and you're, you're attracting
15:48your, your best version of yourself.
15:50Sure, you're going to have even more things to be happy about.
15:53But it has to start now, you know, I think that's very important.
15:56I think that's important.
15:57And if people struggle with that, I would say there's so many people that achieve their goal
16:01and are disappointed.
16:02You know, the guy gets the gold medal and he never practices the sport again.
16:06You know, you finally make your X and you realize it wasn't what you thought.
16:10And so you, wherever you are right now, with the dream, the dream itself, the place where
16:16you don't have what you want, but you can see maybe getting there and you're putting everything
16:20in line and you're keeping your discipline up.
16:23That is something you might not even have when you get to the destination.
16:26So you want to be happy to have a dream.
16:28Yeah.
16:29You know, that's not yet fulfilled.
16:30And so just having that is also something to be grateful for your fingers, your toes,
16:34your food, and a dream that you're passionate about.
16:36Yeah, very well said.
16:37I think that's so true.
16:39I think the journey itself is more fulfilling than the goal itself.
16:44A hundred percent.
16:45I think the happiest time I ever had was actually in the very beginning of my journey.
16:49Even actually maybe like supermarket days when I, when I made the decision, like I'm going
16:56to change my life.
16:57You know, it made me so happy knowing that I, I was taking control of my life again.
17:02And then seeing those first progress, starting to make some money, you know, this, this first
17:08initial success of like transformation that made me so happy.
17:12Um, now when I'm used to too many things, certain things, I need to like remind myself to be
17:20happy about it.
17:21Um, and I realized that we get used to things very fast, right?
17:26So, you know, yeah, day one of having the Bugatti, I was euphoric, you know, right now it's becoming,
17:32let's say more like daily life.
17:34Um, but, but, um, uh, I would say always like being in a perpetual, um, energy of transformation
17:43and always wanting to become better and more, and, um, not necessarily money, but just like
17:49could be learning a new skill.
17:50And I know that you are doing a lot of like, um, new skills to learning dancing and like break
17:55dancing.
17:56Like, I think these things keeps us on our toes and keeps our mind engaged and, uh, keeps
18:02us from becoming bored and depressed.
18:04I think we, we need to always, uh, become better.
18:07And I think that's the journey that, that makes us happy.
18:10That's what I feel.
18:11So it's like that concept of beginner's mind where, you know, you basically suck at what
18:16you're doing and you're constantly faced with your own failure, but you're learning at
18:19this massive rate and that's kind of an exciting time to be alive.
18:24But it also, you're getting feedback that you're not very good at it.
18:27But it's something, if we can always keep ourselves in that state, then we're constantly
18:31curious and constantly trying to get better.
18:34That's kind of where I am at with law of attraction.
18:36So about three years ago, I went to one of Dr.
18:39Joe Dispenza's workshops.
18:40I'd known him for years.
18:41I'd interviewed him in this setting, but I'd never been to one of his shows.
18:46And this was like a seven day, 2,500 people and Joe's in the front all day him.
18:52And I couldn't believe what he was doing, but he got me into this walking meditation that
18:56I do pretty much every day, Carl.
18:58And I start, I started attracting things.
19:01Before that I was this grind, grind, grind type of guy.
19:05And the results have been incredible, you know, really incredible.
19:10Yeah.
19:11I think that's the cool thing with the law of attraction.
19:13It will surprise ourselves even, you know, I think the law of attraction and the universe
19:19can push us to do things we never thought we could do in the first place.
19:23And cause I was visualizing a lot of the stuff that I have today, but many things are even
19:30greater than what I visualized.
19:32You know, the universe really rewards you when you take that step, you know, so I'm very
19:38happy about it.
19:39And it completely changed my life.
19:42It's funny because I went to MIT, right?
19:44Which is probably one of the best technical institutions in the world.
19:47And, you know, there's no law of attraction course there, you know, it's thermodynamics and
19:51it's physics and it's material science.
19:54And so maybe it's a bit more of a leap for me, but I'm also an engineer.
19:58How do you get out of a rat race?
20:00How do you create wealth not only for yourself, but also for the generations to come after?
20:05I am absolutely amazed with the quality of companies that we're getting exposure to.
20:09We go on to zoom calls with the innovators and the folks who are building new applications
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20:36It has far exceeded my expectations.
20:39We are focusing on cutting edge technologies.
20:42I view it now as the best investment I have ever made.
20:46The upside I view is unlimited.
20:49And as a retail investor, I would never get this exposure anywhere else outside of investment
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20:57And an engineer looks at what works and does it more.
21:01And so I don't know why it works.
21:03I can't explain how it works, but I know it works.
21:06And so once I find something that works, I just try to double and triple up on it.
21:09And that's what I'm doing.
21:11And then sometimes I'm thinking, is it working?
21:13And then I'm like, bro, look at all these amazing people that have come into your life
21:17this week with these crazy opportunities.
21:18Of course, it's working, dummy.
21:20Keep doing it and keep being careful.
21:22And I was always one of those guys that would say, once I get this, I'll be happy.
21:26Once I get the job, I'll be happy.
21:28Once I get the millions, I'll be happy.
21:29And now I'm trying to always remind myself, no, now is the time to be happy.
21:33But for me, it's a constant reminder and I have to constantly try to stay grateful.
21:37Yeah, I think we all struggle with that.
21:39Like even myself, like everyone thinks maybe I have it all figured out now.
21:43But sometimes I also struggle.
21:45Like I have to remind myself as well to be happy sometimes.
21:47Sometimes I get annoyed with things I should just not get annoyed with.
21:50You know, I think we're all human, but that constant reminder is very good.
21:54And actually, I think it's very good to have a routine.
21:57So I, to this day, ever since 2000, I don't know, 16, 15, when I started doing these visualization techniques,
22:04every day I tell myself at least for two minutes per day, I tell myself, I am happy.
22:10I am rich.
22:11I am successful.
22:13I am proud of myself.
22:15I love myself.
22:16I love my life.
22:17I have this.
22:18I have that.
22:19All these different things.
22:21I, just for two, three minutes per day, at least.
22:23Sometimes I get carried away.
22:24I sit there for 10 minutes, but, but just two minutes.
22:26That's all we need because that's a powerful, energetic moment where you're saying these powerful, potent, energetic words that send this message out to the universe.
22:38And, and it just reprograms our subconscious mind.
22:44And that's how we unlock the power of the law of attraction, because the subconscious mind cannot actually tell what's true or false or what's happening or not happening.
22:57So if you say, I am happy, the subconscious mind will actually take that as a fact.
23:03And the same, if you say, I am tired, it's also going to take it as a fact, and it's going to actually change your whole, your environment and your body.
23:13So very important to, to reprogramming our subconscious mind, because that's going to, you know, flush out the bad and in with good, and which will then be the basis for our manifestation.
23:27So that's very, very important.
23:29So yeah, two minutes per day.
23:30Let's not make it too complicated.
23:32You know, people think, you know, like, it's going to be so, so tough and complicated.
23:37They have to sit and like meditate for like one hour every day, like, it's not so hard.
23:41I never did visualization for one hour in my life, maybe maximum, like, five, 10 minutes.
23:47Yeah, I'm good friends with Robert Kiyosaki.
23:50He wrote the book, rich dad, poor dad.
23:51And he always says, Brian, the words become flesh.
23:54That's what he said, the words become flesh.
23:56So your thoughts become words, words become flesh.
23:58And most people would never compliment themselves that much.
24:02Matter of fact, with social media, almost every image you scroll by, there's someone doing better than you.
24:06And so it's really easy to get into a rut.
24:09Like I don't have the Bugatti.
24:11I don't have the girl.
24:12I don't have the jet.
24:13I don't have whatever.
24:14And your mind just will easily focus on that.
24:16Yeah.
24:17And rarely is there a time where you're like, wow, I'm amazing.
24:19I'm happy.
24:20I'm rich and whatever.
24:21And so 99.9% of the people out there never probably have two minutes, maybe in their life, where they say that.
24:27And that's probably the results they get.
24:30Exactly.
24:31Yeah, because when people focus on what they don't have, then that's a feeling of lack, not abundance.
24:35So it's the exact opposite of what they should be doing.
24:39And they attract more of it.
24:40Exactly.
24:41So then you just get more of lack.
24:43So, yeah, it's a bad cycle that people are stuck in, but it's because no one ever told them.
24:48So hopefully people watching this now will get reminded and actually change their routine and just incorporate two minutes per day.
24:54That's all I'm saying.
24:55Okay. I like that.
24:56I'm going to start doing that, too.
24:57So thank you.
24:58So law of attraction came first before crypto.
25:01And also, I'm curious, how did crypto come on your radar?
25:04And is crypto an energy as well that's very much linked to that law of attraction?
25:10Interesting question.
25:11So, I mean, first of all, yes, I did my law of attraction practices before I even knew that Bitcoin existed.
25:17So I clearly attracted that reality of myself being that crypto guy because I had no clue that that even existed.
25:26And I'm very happy about that.
25:29I found passion for Bitcoin and crypto, especially Bitcoin, because I feel like Bitcoin is a important thing for humanity because it's freedom of money for people.
25:42It's people's money because the money people use today, which is not really money, it's more like bank currency.
25:48That's the banker's money.
25:50They create it out of thin air.
25:52They can print it with a button on their computer.
25:55And by doing so, they inflate the supply and steal actually money from the holder in the bank account because that's dilution that devalues, debases the currency and devalues our purchasing power.
26:11So that's an evil system controlled by, in my opinion, a very evil cabal of bankers.
26:18And up until Bitcoin, the only solution would be gold.
26:25But the problem with gold is that, you know, it's amazing in almost every single way, but it's not digital.
26:32So in a world where we live today, like in the past few decades, we've built a digital world.
26:38So like most of our society transacts and works online.
26:44So gold becomes not the best solution then.
26:47Better than the fiat system, yes, in terms of freedom of money, but it's not so efficient.
26:52So Bitcoin has everything that gold has, but it's also digital.
26:57And that's the key.
26:58Bitcoin is like gold, but digital.
27:00So it's actually better gold than gold itself, in my opinion.
27:03And that's why I, the moment I heard about Bitcoin, I stopped buying anything else.
27:10I just put all my money in Bitcoin, all my grocery store money.
27:13And then I started my YouTube channel.
27:17I started educating people, started making money from sponsorships and affiliate links.
27:21And I started, you know, like really building a capital with Bitcoin and every money I made, every single, everything went to Bitcoin.
27:30So, so I was just accumulating, accumulating, and it, it felt so good knowing that I'm taking a big leap against the banks.
27:41Not only am I taking my money from the banks and putting it into Bitcoin, but I'm also inspiring other people to do the same.
27:48And the more people that buy Bitcoin, the less power the banks will have.
27:53We're still early.
27:54So right now, Bitcoin is very, very early, but I want more and more people to take that step because it's like a vote.
28:03Buying Bitcoin, it's a vote against the banks.
28:06So I feel like it's my responsibility to not keep money in the banks because I don't want to give them that power.
28:14I have a little bit only because I, of course, have to do some, you know, pay salaries to employees or buy certain insurances or whatever it could be.
28:21But, but everything else, I keep it in Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
28:25And that, that makes me happy.
28:28And actually, many people ask me when I talk to them, like the people outside the crypto, they ask, like, Carl, you have all this money in Bitcoin.
28:35Like, how do you sleep at night?
28:37And I tell them, well, that, that's how I sleep at night.
28:40You know, because if I was like you and had all my money in the bank and the bank controls my money and they, they have to ask me questions when I withdraw or when I'm sending money somewhere.
28:50Like I have to like send them papers.
28:52Like, no, that does not make me sleep at night.
28:55Well, let's talk about that because most of us are taught as kids probably still today to save your money, save your pennies and put it in the bank.
29:02If you're taught anything about money, I mean, as Robert Kiyosaki would say, schools teach us to be poor and they don't usually don't even teach us anything about money, which is crazy because it's something you use more than chemistry and Chinese history and all the other stuff they're teaching us.
29:17That's a whole nother conspiracy theory.
29:20But most people think I save my money, I put it in the bank.
29:23But as you said, there's inflation, there's taxation, there's money printing.
29:28And how do you explain to a normal person that their money is being stolen from them?
29:33And the worst thing, Carl, is that it happens to the lower income people more so than the wealthier people.
29:39Wealthier people know maybe I buy assets like real estate or gold.
29:42If you're a lower income person, you get a bigger check during covid or you get more benefits.
29:47You think, oh, this is good for me when, in fact, it's actually even worse for you.
29:51But how do you get people to understand that? Because we grew up in a world of fiat currency.
29:55I think it was Terence McKenna that once said, I don't know who discovered water, but it certainly wasn't a fish.
30:01And we're kind of born into this matrix of fiat money when, in fact, it's kind of all a lie.
30:06And when you see Bitcoin, you can see it's a lie because it's a parallel universe like in Star Trek.
30:11But before Bitcoin existed, it's very hard to get people to see it.
30:14Yeah. Yeah. So basically this mentality of saving money is something that, of course, comes from decades, decades ago when the money was gold, when it really made sense to acquire money, hold it and put it away.
30:29Because in the future you might need it for something else. Right. That's quite basic.
30:34That's that's how money should work. But for that, you need something called hard money, which is gold and Bitcoin and anything else which is hard to produce more of.
30:48Easy money, which is fiat currency, which could be the dollar, could be any other national currency.
30:54They are not backed up by anything and they are easy to produce. They are easily dilutable and the supply expands when they print more.
31:04So easy money, hard money. And if you want to save your money into something, it has to be hard money because then you know that the supply is somewhat protected over time because it costs money to produce more of it or time or energy like gold.
31:23For example, it will cost you time and effort to mine gold from the earth. That's that's how that works.
31:30That's why you don't find gold laying around all the all around.
31:34You know, you can't just go pick up gold from the streets like this because then it would be easy money.
31:38So that's the difference between gold and then fiat money.
31:42And when you look at Bitcoin, for example, not only is it hard money because you can't produce more of it above 21 million.
31:52You can still mine Bitcoin until 21 million. But up until that point, then it stops.
31:57So Bitcoin not only is hard money, but actually, in my opinion, I would like to consider the hardest money in the universe because there's nothing else in this world which is that absolutely finite.
32:14Everything else can technically be produced more of it, you know, so gold still has a small inflation every year.
32:23You still see people mine more gold, but it's still so small that it protects the value.
32:29It's a very controlled inflation. But even with gold, if the gold price starts surging, let's say like it is right now, then in fact, it will be more profitable for people to mine more.
32:41And that should actually increase the supply a little bit faster.
32:44So the inflation goes up and then it could correct the price and make it a little bit harder to to to keep going up in price with Bitcoin.
32:53With Bitcoin, that can never happen because no matter what the price of Bitcoin does, Bitcoin will never go above 21 million.
33:00And with Bitcoin mining, there is something called the difficulty adjustment, which is an automatic difficulty adjustment.
33:07So if Bitcoin goes up in price and it becomes more profitable to mine, the the algorithm itself, like without any human involvement, it will automatically adjust and make it more difficult or less difficult to mine to to adjust for the the the the new demand or the new the price.
33:27Meaning that it's self self self self self self self self self self self self self.
33:37So it's a beautiful invention and blockchain which Bitcoin is the first blockchain.
33:43It's a genius, genius way of creating a platform where people can store wealth independently without human involvement or human trust.
33:56And you can be 100% sure that that's kind of remain there.
34:02You don't have to be afraid of dilution or such things.
34:05So it's a beautiful thing.
34:07And I think it's maybe the most important thing that people should learn about is Bitcoin and how to secure their wealth.
34:13And speaking of energy, which is your second question there, everything is energy, like I said, and including money.
34:22So when it comes to hard money and easy money, hard money is good at containing monetary energy, while easy money is bad in containing the monetary energy, because when you have a bucket with a hole.
34:37It will just keep flowing out, right?
34:40Right. You need to have a bucket which is contained where you put something in and it doesn't exit.
34:46Right. So that's Bitcoin.
34:48You put monetary energy inside.
34:50It stays.
34:51No one will take it from you.
34:53Then, of course, do normal supply and demand like you have sometimes demand will go up because, you know, Trump tweets about it or something happens.
35:03There is some kind of economic crisis.
35:06Demand can go up and then the price can go up a lot and then it can go down again.
35:09But that's just pure supply and demand.
35:13It has nothing to do with the debasement of the currency itself.
35:16So that's a big difference.
35:18And you will always have volatility with all new interesting things.
35:22So Bitcoin will be volatile for the next 10, 20 years, probably.
35:26I welcome it. I'm fine with it.
35:28But people just need to learn what it truly is.
35:32And when they know what Bitcoin is, they will stop thinking so much about the volatility and they will just be happy that they have one Bitcoin.
35:38You know, like one Bitcoin will be one Bitcoin today, tomorrow, next week.
35:41That doesn't change.
35:42Yeah. I think Michael Saylor of MicroStrategy Now Strategy says the volatility is a feature, not a bug.
35:49And you can't get 60% annual returns without something like 60% volatility.
35:54And so you want to look at it that way.
35:57It's just a different kind of money.
35:59This is your third crypto cycle.
36:01So tell us what is the state of Bitcoin right now?
36:05And even maybe to look back a year ago, you know, we had a different president.
36:09We had a different SEC chair.
36:11We had just got the Bitcoin ETF versus now.
36:14How do you see the world?
36:16Because a lot of changes have happened.
36:18I mean, look, the crazy thing is that when I went into crypto in 2017, just to even imagine that the president of the United States would be so open about it and endorse it actually would be such a it would it was outside of reality somehow.
36:38Funny thing, though, like I think five, six years ago on the April the first, maybe it was 2020.
36:45I think I actually made a April Fool's joke on my YouTube channel where I faked a tweet by Trump saying something like we or I am buying Bitcoin.
36:58And then I faked something, you know, like something about China or something funny, you know, and actually like people that watch the video in the first few seconds of the video, they thought it was true.
37:08But obviously, it was just a joke.
37:10But it was like, for me, that was like the most surrealistic thing that could have happened.
37:16So I was like, that's a funny joke.
37:17But now it's a reality.
37:19Like, like, like, he literally is tweeting about buying Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and altcoins.
37:24And it's it's it's crazy.
37:27So the crypto space has now gone from a very small industry to at least be talked about on the highest levels of society.
37:36So that's good marketing for Bitcoin.
37:38And I'm happy about that.
37:40Then it should be said, like, I don't endorse any politicians like I'm I'm very against like establishment in that way.
37:47So I I'm very, you know, in that sense, I don't want to like endorse any politician.
37:56I know that they just tell us what we want to hear.
37:58So that's that's that.
37:59But that said, it's very good marketing for Bitcoin.
38:02And I'm very happy about that.
38:03So it's the next 10 years.
38:06I mean, I think Bitcoin could easily go to not only millions per Bitcoin, but could go even higher than that per coin.
38:13I think 13 million is the Michael Saylor call.
38:15And so now we have a president who literally said at the Bitcoin conference last year, never sell your Bitcoin.
38:20He said it again at the first crypto summit in the White House recently.
38:24Obviously, Gary Gensler is gone.
38:27Interim SEC chair is dropping lawsuits everywhere.
38:31More ETFs expected.
38:34And, you know, all sorts of companies now in America seem to be going full throttle.
38:40So that's all super positive.
38:42At the same time, you got President Trump dropping his own meme coin two days before he takes office.
38:47I want to get your thoughts on that.
38:49And he's got his own DeFi platform, World Liberty Financial, that is run by his two sons.
38:53And he's on the board or something.
38:55This picture is literally on the website.
38:57That's meanwhile buying all sorts of all coins up and just issued their own stable coin recently.
39:02And you've got some some real blurry lines on conflicts of interest here.
39:07And I'm a Trump fan and I think he's done amazing things for the industry.
39:10But, you know, you have to look at that because he divests all of his assets from the Trump Organization.
39:15But then he tweeted out about his meme coin a few days ago.
39:18So what do you make of all this?
39:19I mean, honestly, like, I don't know what to say, to be honest.
39:22Like, it's a I'm I'm still a bit shocked, actually.
39:25Do you think we're living in a simulation, Carl?
39:27I mean, it is a simulation.
39:28Yeah, like we live.
39:29This is proof, right?
39:30Yeah, like life is crazy, right?
39:32So I look, I when I went into crypto, there was only 7000 altcoins.
39:38That's it. There was Bitcoin and 7000 altcoins.
39:40Right.
39:41Today, I think there's like 12 million altcoins.
39:43I think there's like 37 million.
39:44Maybe.
39:45I saw a tweet today.
39:46Yeah.
39:47Probably growing geometrically.
39:48Probably.
39:49Yeah, like if you count, like, like literally all the coins, like, like, because anyone with a computer can just like do this and create a hundred coins today.
39:56So, yeah, maybe it's a hundred million.
39:58Peter Thiel took a half a million dollars and turned it into a billion dollars using the exact same techniques we're using inside the Investment Hub.
40:05He met a CEO. His name was Zuckerberg.
40:07He pitched him the deal and he said, OK, I'll give you a half a million dollars.
40:10Mark went public and sold the shares to people like you.
40:13Well, what happened to Peter?
40:14Well, he exited and got a 2300X return.
40:18The wealthy invest in early stage companies, folks.
40:21The public markets are for suckers.
40:23It's a rigged game.
40:24By the way, this happens in crypto as well.
40:26It's called pre-sale tokens.
40:27This is Solana.
40:28Does anybody know this chain?
40:29They sold pre-sale tokens for four cents.
40:32And you can see the date on there, April 5th, 2018.
40:35Look at Solana today, folks.
40:37That thing's up over a thousand X.
40:40The media and Wall Street and all these hype people get you to buy the top.
40:45Meanwhile, they put their clients in at the bottom and they use you for liquidity to make their clients rich.
40:51You can play this same game.
40:53You just have to have the financial education and the deal flow.
40:56That's it.
40:57So, but the problem with that is that that's, again, inflation.
41:01And when it comes back to hard money, easy money, we have to differentiate between Bitcoin and altcoins, actually, because Bitcoin is truly hard money.
41:08Altcoins, not so much.
41:11It's not bad, but I wouldn't call it hard money because whether it's 12 million or 30 million, like that's, that's, that's debasement of.
41:22You know, amount of altcoins.
41:25And there's only so many people in the world, like 8 billion people.
41:28So that's only so much attention that you can put on something.
41:33So just because you have more altcoins doesn't mean that you get more attention necessarily because the amount of people don't expand.
41:40Right. So that's a problem.
41:42So talking then about the Trump coin, I think it's when he did it.
41:49First, I thought it was a scam.
41:51The first like one day I was 100% sure that he must have been hacked.
41:55Then when I realized it was true, I was like, wait, this must be good for crypto.
42:00Right. I was like, wait, is it bad?
42:01Maybe like I was so confused, like, is this a good thing or bad thing?
42:05But I was like, it must be a good thing for crypto, at least, you know, because it's marketing.
42:11Like, again, like it also shows that the US president is not afraid of launching a coin, meaning that then everyone else should be fine launching coins.
42:19Right. There's been so much talk about securities and illegal coins and all these things, you know, like.
42:25But if he's doing it, then we'll stop being like, then anyone should be able to arrest the president.
42:29Well, you probably can, but less likely.
42:31Yeah. Less likely. Right.
42:32So. So then I was like, yeah, this must be good for crypto.
42:35But maybe at the end of the day, like he's only going to be in office for so long.
42:40So it also it also is possible that this coin could go down a lot.
42:46People lose a lot of money. I actually, to be fair, only lost money on it so far.
42:49But the next president could, of course, see this as a bad thing.
42:54Right. And say that, well, this was very reckless, which I would maybe agree with, because launching a meme coin two days before going into office.
43:02And like it is a bit reckless. Right. So that could maybe lead to more regulation down the line.
43:11So I don't think for these four years, obviously, I don't see him doing that.
43:15But whoever picks up might might have a different thought on it.
43:18So honestly, I don't know. But for crypto right now, I think it's good. Yeah.
43:23Right. So that's the Trump coin and World Liberty Financial.
43:26It's still bullish because he's aligned with the industry evolving.
43:30Yeah. I mean, yeah. For for the industry, for the crypto industry right now, I think it's a it's a good thing.
43:38Yes, I think so. But yeah.
43:41OK. So you made your case on Bitcoin.
43:43You know, I was talking to Anthony Pompliano recently on my show and people know him.
43:47He's been around for a long time. And he said he he he calls it like this call.
43:51He says Bitcoin is your savings account.
43:53He's like, that's something you always put money in and you never touch.
43:56And then the altcoins are things that may be more like investments.
43:59They have risk to them. And you can put some of your money there.
44:01But remember, Bitcoin is a savings account.
44:03I thought that was an interesting analogy.
44:05That being said, you're not afraid of altcoins, especially maybe top 100 market cap altcoins or top 50.
44:12And I think you've already tweeted about positions in Ethereum.
44:15I don't know if you're an XRP.
44:17I know you were looking at Sui and things like that for a while.
44:19How what what altcoins do you like?
44:22How do you get your head around them?
44:24How do you position yourself?
44:25I know you trade. I know you make a lot of your trades public on your Twitter as well.
44:29So how do you look at those?
44:30Great question, because the thing is, when I when you go into crypto as a beginner, you get very easily carried away with altcoins.
44:40You think you missed the boat on Bitcoin.
44:42You don't see the upside anymore.
44:44So now you want to go to the altcoins.
44:45But in general, altcoins is a great place to actually lose money with that mindset, because chasing the hypes and chasing what other people are talking about when it comes from not your conviction,
44:59but someone else's conviction.
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