- 5/28/2025
The Woman Who Orange-Pilled President Donald J. Trump & Changed Bitcoin & Crypto Forever! 🟠
In this electrifying conversation, Brian Rose sits down with Tracy Hoyos-López, the powerhouse who introduced Donald J. Trump to Bitcoin & crypto, shaking up the financial and political landscape! ⚡💡
🔥 How did she get Trump to embrace Bitcoin?
💎 The game-changing impact of crypto on the future of money!
🗽 The battle for financial freedom and decentralization!
This is a must-watch for every crypto enthusiast, investor, and freedom fighter! 🏆📈 Don’t miss it! 🎥
🍿Watch The Full Episode: http://londonreal.tv/hoyoslopez
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In this electrifying conversation, Brian Rose sits down with Tracy Hoyos-López, the powerhouse who introduced Donald J. Trump to Bitcoin & crypto, shaking up the financial and political landscape! ⚡💡
🔥 How did she get Trump to embrace Bitcoin?
💎 The game-changing impact of crypto on the future of money!
🗽 The battle for financial freedom and decentralization!
This is a must-watch for every crypto enthusiast, investor, and freedom fighter! 🏆📈 Don’t miss it! 🎥
🍿Watch The Full Episode: http://londonreal.tv/hoyoslopez
💰 The Investment Club: http://londonreal.tv/club
💰Crypto & DeFi Academy: http://londonreal.tv/defi
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00:00This is the woman who orange-pilled Donald Trump, shifting the course of Bitcoin and crypto forever.
00:06Hello, Bitcoiners.
00:07So one night, we're at David Bailey's house, who has the Bitcoin conference.
00:11And he'd be like, I would love Trump as the speaker in Nashville.
00:14And I was like, I can actually help you with this.
00:18We're like, fuck it, we're going all in.
00:20And how did that go?
00:21We had a super successful meeting with him.
00:25But this is the wildest thing.
00:27They give us confirmation.
00:28And then a day or two later, the assassination attempt on the president happened.
00:32And we're all freaking out.
00:35And this man is so cool that he made sure to have his team call us and let us know
00:43that it didn't matter come hell or high water, he was coming to the conference.
00:50It's been a wild ride, but here we are.
00:53They can't fuck with us anymore.
00:55They can try, but they won't win.
00:58Does DC know that?
00:59They do.
01:00Because at our crypto ball, you saw a ton of politicians.
01:05Why are they in the room?
01:06Because they want our money.
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01:10And we will come after your seat.
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03:12This is London Real.
03:13I am Brian Rose.
03:14My guest today is...
03:15This is London Real.
03:16I am Brian Rose.
03:17My guest today is Tracy Hoyos-Lopez, the attorney, Bitcoin advocate, and crypto policy expert.
03:23You are the chief of staff of Strategic Initiatives at Kraken, where you advance Bitcoin integration
03:29into mainstream finance and politics.
03:31You worked as a prosecutor at the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office,
03:35specializing in the criminal justice system.
03:37You're also the chief of staff at the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office,
03:40specializing in the criminal justice system.
03:42You're also the chief of staff at the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office,
03:47specializing in domestic violence and crimes against children,
03:50and have earned awards for your contributions to public service and your expertise in criminal law.
03:55In the Bitcoin space, you are known for orange-pilling President Donald Trump,
04:00leading to his massive policy shift regarding cryptocurrency.
04:03You then played a key role in his epic keynote appearance at the Bitcoin Conference in Nashville,
04:09for his election campaign.
04:11You have said that Bitcoin is the future of finance,
04:13offering freedom from a broken financial system.
04:16You believe it empowers individuals, challenges government overreach,
04:19and reclaims financial sovereignty.
04:22Ultimately, you believe Donald Trump is the man to lead the crypto movement,
04:26protect Bitcoin, and reshape blockchain policy.
04:29Tracy, welcome to London Real in Dubai.
04:32Thank you for having me.
04:33Great having you here.
04:34I say we just jump in.
04:36Yeah, I should hire you as my PR person.
04:38We can talk after.
04:40So how does a DA from LA orange-pill the most famous man in the world, Donald Trump?
04:46So it was San Bernardino County.
04:48I started in LA, and then I went over to San Bernardino.
04:53How do you orange-pill Donald Trump?
04:56I mean, this was a wild ride.
05:00Okay, so David Bailey, who owns BTC Inc., who has the Bitcoin Conference.
05:06And he's run Bitcoin Magazine for many years.
05:08Correct.
05:09So BTC Inc. has Bitcoin Magazine, Bitcoin Conference, and I believe a part of UXTO.
05:16Okay.
05:16So I'm a big fan, obviously, of the Bitcoin Conference.
05:22I was also orange-pilled by David and his wife, Emily.
05:25Emily's my best friend, so this is how we're all connected.
05:29When did they orange-pill you?
05:30In 2022.
05:32Okay, all right.
05:33They gave me a ticket to the conference, and they said,
05:35come check it out and just hear it out.
05:39And I was like, okay, all right.
05:42So that's when the process started.
05:44What actually got me orange-pilled was not the conference per se,
05:47but it was understanding what Bitcoin was and how it could operate.
05:51And because I was a prosecutor, and my specialty was domestic violence and crimes against children.
05:57So what people don't understand in these cases is that in order for—
06:03so most women, right, are the victims of domestic violence.
06:06A lot of the women that are in these particular situations don't control their finances.
06:10They don't have access to their own money,
06:11because their husbands or partners take their money from them.
06:14In order for you to escape a terrible situation, you need money.
06:17You need money to plan.
06:19If you don't have access to your finances, you have no money.
06:22And this is where I saw that Bitcoin is like a huge thing,
06:27because you can open a wallet on your phone, hide it, and a community can help you.
06:32So you have a way of planning.
06:34And that, to me, was the thing that got it.
06:36That was it.
06:37I was sold.
06:38I was just like, I want to do this.
06:41I was the DA and ASA that everybody thought was completely insane,
06:45because I'm just like, we just have to have a Bitcoin fund.
06:48We need a victim, like a Bitcoin victim fund.
06:51And everyone was like, this person is crazy.
06:54That was in 22, you were telling them that?
06:56That was in part of 22, definitely 23.
07:01I mean, and in 23, my office in Miami was decorated with Bitcoin everything.
07:06I had a Bitcoin astronaut, Bitcoin coasters, Bitcoin artwork.
07:10And everyone came to my office and they're like,
07:12I don't understand this Bitcoin thing.
07:13And I'm like, well, sit down.
07:15Wow.
07:16So it was the domestic violence or the solution, potential solution,
07:20to the domestic violence issue by giving these women financial freedom
07:24that actually orange-pilled you.
07:26That was the thing that got me.
07:27That's wild.
07:28And then you have these case studies from, I can't remember her name.
07:32I believe she's Iranian.
07:35She escaped, or Afghani, and I apologize.
07:39But she escaped and then she created this Bitcoin community
07:43by hiring women in the Middle East,
07:45in places where they were not allowed to like go out or work
07:49or do any of these things, you know, under the Afghani regime,
07:51under the Iranian regime.
07:53And so now these women who can't work but need to work
07:56because they have families to support,
07:58are able to earn Bitcoin and, you know, provide for their family.
08:02So I was just like, okay, so my idea has a use case and that's it.
08:09So that was the thing that got me.
08:11Wow.
08:12Okay.
08:12So you got orange-pilled in 22.
08:14Yep.
08:15How does this President Trump orange-pilling happen?
08:20Because it's a big deal.
08:21Some people say the crypto vote won the election.
08:24I don't know if that's true.
08:25It is true.
08:26I've seen the data.
08:27Okay, well, there you go.
08:29It is very true, especially in the swing states.
08:30So if you had an orange-pilled Donald Trump,
08:32then we would be saluting to President Harris right now.
08:37Imagine.
08:39We'd be trans.
08:44So this thing started with, what is the thing that motivates you?
08:51And everybody has like a precipitator, right?
08:54And like, what is the thing that broke the camel's back?
08:57So, you know, I was a Democrat for a very long time.
09:02But in 2020, I became a Republican for the, you know, for the 2020 incoming presidency.
09:11And my perspective and everything changed, obviously, because I was a prosecutor.
09:17And so I see like crime, who's coming across the border?
09:19What are the crimes that they're committing?
09:21So I became more involved with the Republican Party.
09:24I became more involved and more outspoken about the Republicans and what,
09:28you know, they were going to do and everything.
09:31What really was the precipitator for me on going out and actually doing something about it
09:37and actually getting involved in this was the government coming after me.
09:42And so I'm like, okay, the government's coming after me
09:45as a prosecutor for something I didn't do, which we'll get into later.
09:50Then the government's also coming after Jesse Powell.
09:54The government's going after a significant number of other people
09:59in the industry for absolutely no reason.
10:01They're coming after exchanges.
10:04People can't work.
10:06I am a big, big proponent of the U.S. Constitution.
10:09I am an originalist.
10:10I believe in the Constitution as it was written.
10:13So when you see the abuses the government is doing,
10:17there comes a point where you sit down and you're just like,
10:21I can't take this anymore.
10:23This is not what the United States Constitution stands for.
10:26And I swore an oath to protect the U.S. Constitution
10:30from enemies abroad and enemies within.
10:34So when this all happens, when you're being persecuted,
10:39I was upset, obviously, very upset.
10:42And I was just like, there's just something we have to do.
10:44I have to do something.
10:45I don't know what it is, but it'll come to me.
10:47So one night we're at David Bailey's house
10:50and David and I are just, you know,
10:52outside shooting the shit, having a conversation.
10:54And he'd be like, man, I would love Trump
10:56as like the speaker in Nashville.
10:58And I was like, I can actually help you with this.
11:02And he's like, no, stop it.
11:04And I'm like, no, no, I can actually help you with this.
11:07And when was this?
11:08What month was it in 24?
11:10This was in March.
11:13And the conference was in May.
11:15So two months out, you guys are hanging out in Puerto Rico.
11:19Yep.
11:20And he says, I'd love to make this happen.
11:22He's like, I just want this.
11:23And it was just, you know, like, it's just friends.
11:25We talk about so many things.
11:26And this is one of the things, I mean, I would just love this.
11:29Before this, Trump had never really publicly said anything
11:32pro-Bitcoin or pro-crypto.
11:33No, all we had publicly from his statements
11:37were like his anti-crypto stance, anti-Bitcoin.
11:40From years earlier.
11:41From years earlier, exactly.
11:43Right, OK.
11:43And, you know, we thought it's a long shot, but let's, like,
11:49what's the worst they can say?
11:50No?
11:51OK, then no.
11:53So I called my dad's best friend, Paul Manafort.
11:57And I was like, hey, do you know what the Bitcoin conference is?
12:03He's like, I have no idea what you're talking about.
12:05Really?
12:06And I was just like, OK.
12:07And Manafort is close in the Trump circle.
12:09Yes.
12:10Yes.
12:10He's been friends with Trump for years before he ran his campaign in 2016.
12:15OK.
12:15So they're friends.
12:18And he's like, no idea what I'm talking about.
12:23He does know Bitcoin.
12:26I won't tell that story.
12:27That's a him story.
12:28He needs to talk about that.
12:29That's a wild story.
12:32And he goes, I don't know what the Bitcoin conference is.
12:35I don't know what you're talking about.
12:36And I'm just like, OK.
12:39So the first try, because I'm telling you, this is a wild ride to get to Trump.
12:44We have to convince Paul that this is a legitimate thing.
12:47This is real.
12:48And at first, we were thinking small.
12:54But understand, we're in uncharted waters.
12:55We have no—also, this is not what we do, right?
12:58Here's an ex-prosecutor, a media guy.
13:02And we're just trying to figure out, what do we do?
13:06How do we sell this?
13:07How do we take this?
13:08How do we convince him?
13:09That wasn't even the thought at the time.
13:11The thought was only, how do we get him to Nashville?
13:14So the first thing, it's like, OK, this is the conference.
13:18This is how many people come to the conference.
13:20This is how much is streamed.
13:21This is the social media presence.
13:23This is the global presence of it.
13:26And it didn't click for anyone, not in the campaign, not for Paul at that time.
13:34It clicked on when he was on Nashville, on stage, giving the speech, the amount of people.
13:42And then when we saw what the media presence became, the social media impressions globally,
13:50I think it was something on the first day, like, oh, my God, I think it was like 18.4
13:56billion impressions.
13:57It was insane.
13:58It was insane, right?
13:59Yeah, front page, New York Times, front page, BBC.
14:02I joked.
14:03I didn't know you at the time that if you had to pay Donald to say these things, it
14:07would cost you $100 million for that endorsement.
14:09That's probably low.
14:11It was that big.
14:12And I think that the ad value of it, when we got the numbers back, it was something
14:16atrocious.
14:17It was something like $286 million worth of ad value.
14:22So we know this, obviously, because we're on the conference side.
14:28My friends own the conference, so I'm privy to information.
14:31And they weren't getting it before.
14:34They had no idea what they were signing up for.
14:37And so we first do this, and then he's like, all right, we built all of these decks.
14:44And it's funny because the thing that got us through wasn't these decks.
14:52It was a two-page PDF of us summarizing and distilling why Bitcoin is important.
15:03And David was in Japan when he had just finished Bitcoin Asia, and he was in Japan
15:16afterwards.
15:17And I had gotten a call from Paul.
15:21I had just hung up with David.
15:24Paul says, David has to meet with the president in three days.
15:32And I'm like, all right.
15:35So I called David.
15:36He's not responding.
15:38I just hung up with him.
15:40He won't pick up my call.
15:41Emily is not responding.
15:42No one's responding.
15:43And I'm like, I am not going to text these news.
15:47These are major news.
15:49So they don't respond.
15:51I text them.
15:52And I was like, well, I was hoping to give you this news over the telephone.
15:55But since you guys are not responding to me, you have to be with the president on Thursday,
16:00I think it was.
16:03They don't respond to me all night.
16:05I'm like, what's happening?
16:09In the morning, I call Emily.
16:12And I'm like, hey.
16:14Oh, before I called her, I get a text from her.
16:16She reads what I send.
16:17And she goes, holy shit.
16:20Oh, my God.
16:21David.
16:22Then they call me.
16:23They're like, oh, my God.
16:24And I'm like, get your asses here.
16:27We have to ship David over to meet the president.
16:30And so it just gets funnier and funnier and funnier.
16:36And let's, you know, like, we were definitely amateurs at this and have no idea.
16:42Like, you know, David, typical Bitcoin has like one suit, right?
16:46And he has to meet the president in a suit.
16:48Yeah.
16:49And so this is the one suit he has that he wore in Asia.
16:53He's bringing back.
16:55We can't find in Puerto Rico.
16:57There are like no, no 24 hour cleaners.
17:00This does not exist.
17:01Like, because power is so expensive that they will turn on the machines maybe once or twice
17:06a week.
17:07So like your dry clean isn't going to be ready for like a week.
17:11Right.
17:12And so we're like, we have to clean David's suit.
17:14How are we going to get him there?
17:15So we're like airing the suit for breezing the suit.
17:18We're just like, all right, well, we've done the best that we could.
17:22We should.
17:23He's I mean, and he has a grin from here to here.
17:25He's so excited.
17:26He's nervous.
17:27He has no idea like what he's walking into, what's going to happen.
17:32And then he met with the president and, you know, they asked us for our help.
17:36And how are we going to say no?
17:39So there are a lot of really tough conversations that I don't think people
17:44understand what it was like.
17:47So for me, I'm like an all in person.
17:50And David is like that, too.
17:52It's like when we do something, we're all in.
17:53We're doing it all.
17:55But we were like, you know, we have to succeed.
18:01There is no turning back.
18:03And that's when we understood that we weren't only bringing Trump to Nashville.
18:10But we had to help him understand the space.
18:13We had to advocate for the space because if he didn't win,
18:20the industry would die in the United States.
18:23And everybody that we knew would be out of work.
18:26We would be out of work.
18:28At this point, I was living in Puerto Rico.
18:32So like this became my job.
18:35And so we had a sit down where we're having a very honest conversation.
18:41There is no, we can't fail.
18:44This is not an option.
18:45If we do, they will come after us.
18:48Because you helped Trump, right?
18:51Yeah.
18:52A lot of people would have been gone after, including him.
18:56And we had a dinner at one point.
18:59It was like they had a policy for Trump.
19:01And we're like, well, we better win or we're all going to go to prison.
19:05And he's like, yup.
19:07It's like, I mean, I don't want to say we were terrified because that's not true.
19:12You know, we're Americans.
19:15We're cowboys.
19:16We're wild.
19:16We're crazy.
19:17You know, we're like, you know, fuck it.
19:19We're going all in.
19:20We're doing this.
19:22And we didn't care about whatever happened.
19:25We were just like, there's no room for failure.
19:27We're not going to fail.
19:28We're not going.
19:29This was not a thought.
19:30We just we didn't even have the ability to think about it.
19:32We didn't allow ourselves to think about it.
19:35And I think that that was very big for us because it allowed us to work from a space
19:40where we just executed constantly.
19:44So the first thing that we had to do after David's meeting with the president.
19:49And how did that go?
19:50It went really, really well.
19:52What happened?
19:53You know, that's a story for David to tell.
19:57There are so many things in this process that we can share.
19:59And there are so many other things that we can't share.
20:01So I don't want to overshare things that I can't.
20:05But it went really, really well.
20:07He was very happy.
20:08He wanted us to come on board and assist them.
20:12And he, if I remember correctly, he told David that he would be supportive of the community
20:19and that he would help us.
20:21He would help us save the industry.
20:23And of course, one of the main things.
20:25So they asked us, you know, to put together, like, what are the major issues in the industry?
20:30What are the major issues in the space that you're seeing?
20:33And of course, the number one thing for us was Ross.
20:37So, I mean, there's been a lot of talk on Twitter about, oh, we were the ones that freed Ross.
20:44I want to be super clear about that.
20:46Angela McCurdle from the Libertarian Party in the United States was the one who did the
20:50heavy lifting on that.
20:52She was the one that got that done.
20:54And for people that don't know, who is Ross?
20:56So Ross Ulbrich is the creator of Silk Road, which was a marketplace on the dark web where
21:02you could buy anything from alpaca socks to hardcore drugs.
21:09And Ross was...
21:11Using Bitcoin, because it was an anonymous payment.
21:13Exactly.
21:15And so...
21:15This was 10 years ago, 15 years ago.
21:17This was, what, 2016?
21:20Right.
21:202017 when he got arrested, I believe it was.
21:23Right.
21:24No, a little, no, way before that.
21:25Way before that.
21:26Hang on.
21:262013.
21:28Yeah, it was running in 10, 11, 12.
21:31That kind of thing.
21:32Yeah.
21:33Yeah, because he was in prison for, what, 11 years, 12 years almost.
21:38Ross was very important to us.
21:40You know, whatever...
21:42As a former prosecutor, you know, yes, Ross is something that was bad.
21:48But incarcerating someone at that age for the rest of their life is completely inappropriate.
21:54What was he charged with?
21:55And then what sentence did he get?
21:56Just so people know.
21:57So he was charged with a number of drug-related crimes and...
22:04I would have to look at the charging document because it's been a while since I look at it.
22:07But, like, I've read the transcripts of the trial.
22:10I mean, it was...
22:14The sentencing is the portion of the trial that was just really egregious.
22:20They gave Ross two life sentences in 40 years for a non-violent offense.
22:25And everybody will come and say, like, well, the murder for hire...
22:27Okay, the murder for hire charges were dismissed with prejudice.
22:30So you can't even consider that.
22:32Right.
22:34And to put someone at that age for a non-violent offense in prison for the rest of their life
22:41is, to me, a travesty.
22:42How old was he at the time?
22:45Ross at the time when he was caught was, what, 26 years old?
22:48Okay, okay.
22:49Around that age.
22:50Okay.
22:50I think by the time he went into prison was, what, 29?
22:53Okay.
22:5429, 30, around that age.
22:56Right.
22:57And Trump pardoned him the first day or the second day, right?
22:59So it was...
23:01So in theory, it was the second day.
23:03But we see it as the first day because the first day is, like, that half day.
23:07Okay, right.
23:08He's, like, getting inaugurated and then all that stuff is happening.
23:13So David and I agree that this is day one.
23:15And was Ross mentioned in that first meeting or did it kind of come up?
23:19Ross was mentioned in the first meeting.
23:21Interesting.
23:23But Angela had already done all the work.
23:25Okay.
23:26But that resonated with Trump because perhaps he was being unfairly prosecuted even by...
23:30Was it FBI that came after Ross?
23:33So I wouldn't say that he was being unfairly prosecuted.
23:36What I think it is is that there was such an...
23:41You build a marketplace.
23:42People are doing these things.
23:44You don't control what people do.
23:46And we can argue all day long about that.
23:49And we can argue all day long about the things that were written and said.
23:53That's not really, like...
23:54I don't really care about that.
23:56My whole point is, like, the way that he was sentenced.
23:58I mean, Ross admitted that what he did was wrong.
24:01But the issue is the sentence, the sentencing.
24:04You're destroying a person.
24:07Punishment in criminal cases should not be...
24:13I mean, listen, we're not talking about a rapist and a murderer here.
24:16So that...
24:18Pedophiles, rapists, murderers, put them away forever.
24:21Go for it.
24:22But with other types of crimes, there has to be a balance between accountability,
24:29but also rehabilitation.
24:32I want you to learn your lesson and never do it again.
24:34But I also want you to use this experience and the positive and, like,
24:37go help other people that are going through a similar situation than you.
24:40And his, you know, his sentence was just, like, absolutely horrible.
24:44And we do believe, and I wholeheartedly believe that, you know,
24:47the Obama administration had something to do with that type of sentencing,
24:55the way that it happened.
24:56I mean, I know a lot of things that I can't talk about, but we do believe that.
25:01And also, it was done, we believe, for...
25:07We believe for, and when I say we, I mean, like, you know,
25:10me and my friends in the industry, in the space.
25:12And I believe that it was done to deter people from utilizing Bitcoin.
25:19Ross gave us our first use case.
25:21Ross is the reason Bitcoin works.
25:24We wouldn't have known that Bitcoin worked had it not been for him.
25:28So, you know, he is, by whatever, however you want to see him,
25:33he is the godfather of Bitcoin.
25:35He gave us this.
25:36Wow. I used to sell grove back in the day.
25:39Oh, yeah? Which one? Alpaca socks?
25:41I'll go into that later.
25:44It was the subject of one of my episodes on London Real.
25:47So, yeah.
25:48But it was really important for us that the president understood that, you know,
25:54we love Ross and that we really wanted to get him out.
25:57Like, what happened to him was a complete travesty and it shouldn't happen to anybody.
26:01And, of course, we're good friends with his mom.
26:05I love his mom very, very much.
26:07And so she is the rock star here.
26:10I mean, Lynn is unstoppable.
26:14Lynn has spent the last 12 years of her life making sure no one forgets about her son.
26:19It's amazing.
26:20And, I mean, only a mother's love, right?
26:23Yeah.
26:24Can accomplish that.
26:25But she did.
26:26So Ross was part of that initial meeting that came up, and then you explained the community
26:31and Trump wanted to move to the next step.
26:34And that meant you both getting involved, all three of you getting involved.
26:38So he wanted us to do a round.
26:40I can't remember if it was, I can't remember how it went about,
26:43but we needed to put together a roundtable.
26:45And, you know, one of the things that we discussed was
26:49there are certain perceptions about the industry that, let's just be real,
26:55let's just be real here.
26:56The crypto industry is seen as debaucherous, crazy people, tons of drugs.
27:05So we had to think about what the perception is and then be like,
27:14listen, yes, this exists.
27:17But it exists in every industry.
27:19I mean, the finance bros, my God, I've never seen more cocaine in my life
27:23than when I've been around people in finance.
27:26So we sat down, we thought about how do we show that this industry is a legitimate industry?
27:39So we need legitimate people in legitimate businesses.
27:45So Peter McCormick had come to visit us in Puerto Rico,
27:51and we went out to dinner.
27:55We actually took over Amanda Fabiano's dinner with her sister.
28:00And I think like 15 of us showed up.
28:03And Amanda was there.
28:05And David told her, hey, we're doing this thing.
28:08We need to talk.
28:10And who is Amanda?
28:10So Amanda Fabiano is the mining queen in the space.
28:16Amanda is who built the arm, the mining arm of Galaxy,
28:22which I believe is like the only profitable arm that Galaxy has.
28:26She's worked at Fidelity.
28:28She now runs her own consulting business.
28:30But she's incredibly respected by the miners.
28:33She is an expert in mining.
28:37And so what is more legitimate in this industry
28:43and professional looking than Bitcoin mining?
28:48These guys are all have phenomenal backgrounds,
28:51come from Ivy League schools, former Wall Street.
28:55We have to speak Trump language.
28:58So Trump is the money man.
29:00We have to explain him in the language that he understands, money.
29:06So we get the most legitimate people.
29:08We got Clean Spark, Marathon, Riot, ExaCorp, Core Scientific, TeraWolf.
29:21We got all of these guys for this roundtable.
29:25And we sat down with the president.
29:29And here's the really cool thing about Donald Trump that I don't think anybody knows.
29:33I mean, the people that have dealt with him know, but the world doesn't know.
29:38Is this man is such a good listener.
29:43He will listen to everything that you have to say.
29:46And he will ask you.
29:48And if he has a question, he'll just ask you.
29:52And I thought that that was really interesting and wonderful
29:56because that is not how he's portrayed in the media to us.
30:00So we sat down.
30:01We explained mining.
30:02We explained what was happening in the mining industry,
30:04especially with energy, prices of energy.
30:08And then the Democrats wanted to pass an additional tax on energy.
30:14So Bitcoin mining is taxed at two levels.
30:17One, when the Bitcoin is generated.
30:18And second, when the Bitcoin is sold.
30:20Well, they wanted to add a 30% taxation on the energy costs.
30:25So at that point, the miners can't operate in the United States
30:28because you're making them completely unprofitable.
30:30Right.
30:31So the president really took issue with that.
30:36He was just like, wait, what?
30:37There's three taxes on this thing.
30:40We're like, well, two, but three.
30:41He's like, yeah, but they want to add another one.
30:43And we're like, this is what's happening.
30:46And like, if we don't do something, these companies are going to leave.
30:50And the cool thing about mining is that, you know, these companies are going out.
30:55They're looking for these places that have been abandoned.
31:00They go to the middle of nowhere where there are communities that have very little.
31:04So they go in, they develop the infrastructure.
31:07They take also displaced energy workers, for example, former coal miners,
31:13and they retrain them to come into Bitcoin mining.
31:16So this is something that the president really liked.
31:19Oh, OK, right, because he's so big on the technical institutes
31:23and not everybody can afford to go to a four-year institution.
31:27So this is something that caught his attention as well.
31:32And we had a super successful meeting with him
31:37where he was like, OK, I'm on board with this thing.
31:42So after the mining roundtable, we...
31:46This is like April at Mar-a-Lago, something like that.
31:49This was...
31:51A month before the conference or two months before.
31:54When was the conference? July.
31:56Was it July? OK.
31:57I think that the mining roundtable was either May or June, somewhere around those lines.
32:08And after that, we started to prep Nashville.
32:15But we didn't get confirmation for Nashville until like...
32:22I mean, it just got wilder and wilder, right?
32:24So this is the former president of the United States.
32:27This is the one thing, like people think, oh, he's just a candidate.
32:30He's not just a candidate.
32:31This is the former president of the United States,
32:33soon to be the president of the United States again.
32:37So it's not like, hey, do you want to come to our conference thing?
32:40It's like, we have to lay out a plan.
32:42We have to, you know, do all these things.
32:45So we're planning.
32:49We are.
32:51We're trying to do like, trying to set all of this.
32:54And we just, we didn't know at one point, like,
32:59is he going to come or is he not going to come?
33:00Because he's like so oversubscribed with everything.
33:02Yeah.
33:03And so...
33:04Did he go to any other trade conference the entire year?
33:07I don't think so.
33:07I don't think so.
33:08I don't think so.
33:09When I was talking about this, I was like,
33:11this guy doesn't go to the home improvement conference.
33:14He doesn't go to the finance conference.
33:15Like, this was such a huge deal on so many levels.
33:18It's a huge deal.
33:18But he's the money guy.
33:21Right.
33:21If there's anything that he's going to do,
33:24is the thing that has to do with money.
33:27Yeah.
33:27In retrospect, you can say that.
33:29But before that, this is a big deal.
33:31I mean, yeah.
33:32OK.
33:32And at the same time, you're also raising money for the campaign,
33:35like simultaneously.
33:36Simultaneously, we assisted with the fundraising efforts.
33:39OK.
33:39Correct.
33:40But this is the wildest thing.
33:41So they give us confirmation.
33:43And then I think it was like a day or two later
33:48where the assassination attempt on the president happened.
33:50Oh, my gosh.
33:51And we're all freaking out because we're just like,
33:56at first, we're like, is he dead?
33:58Like, what's happening?
34:01And so we get confirmation that he's OK.
34:04This man is so cool that he made sure to have his team
34:11call us and let us know that it didn't matter
34:16come hell or high water, he was coming to the conference.
34:20Here we are trying to see, like, are you OK?
34:23Can we help in any way?
34:24You know, we're just concerned.
34:26And he's just like, we're coming.
34:29Like, don't worry about it.
34:31I am coming to the conference.
34:33Because it was a couple of weeks later, right?
34:35It wasn't that far off.
34:36Yeah.
34:36Right.
34:37It was at the Republican Convention.
34:39And then you guys were—
34:39It was the Republican Convention.
34:41And the weekend after, it was the Bitcoin Conference.
34:42I think, like, two weeks after was the Bitcoin Convention.
34:44Yeah.
34:45The Bitcoin Conference.
34:45Yeah.
34:47So we're like, you know, this guy is a rock star.
34:51Here you are dodging bullets.
34:53And you think to just call us to let us know that you're coming.
34:57Well, we're just trying to find out if you're OK.
35:00So we ramped things up there, ramped it up.
35:05And we started then aggressively fundraising.
35:08So Amanda and David obviously led with that,
35:13because they were so well-known in the space.
35:16So, like, everybody trusted them.
35:19I was like the bossy Latina coming in and telling everybody,
35:22like, this is what you need to do.
35:23And this is where you need to be.
35:24And, like, this is what we're going to do.
35:26And this is going to be the format.
35:27And these are the topics.
35:28And everyone's like, who is this person?
35:30And I'm just like, I'm the person that made this happen.
35:32So please, please just follow lead.
35:34I promise it's all going to be good.
35:36And then Nashville happened.
35:40We raised $25 million.
35:43Honestly, we raised that in, it was less than two months.
35:49And you told me that was the single biggest
35:51individual industry donation of his campaign.
35:54So I don't.
35:55Or right up there.
35:56So it's right up there.
35:57And I would have to look at that.
36:00But I think, like, Petro is, like, one of the largest.
36:03But we were by far, we were a significant part
36:07of the donations, right?
36:08$25 million is not chump change.
36:10It's a lot of money.
36:10Yeah.
36:12And where did it come from?
36:13Companies?
36:14Companies, individuals.
36:16It was a combination of everybody.
36:17I mean, everybody wanted to come on board and help us.
36:19Everybody wanted to make this happen.
36:22Everybody had a catastrophic story to tell
36:27about what's happening to their companies.
36:31Miners, J.P. Richardson from Exodus, who just went public.
36:37I mean, J.P. sat down with the president
36:39and told him the story of everything
36:40that had happened to his company.
36:42And the president was shocked.
36:45Nobody understands how horrible the regulation
36:51and these agencies have been to the industry.
36:54They've been extremely, extremely hostile.
36:58I mean, these companies are spending
37:00upwards of hundreds of millions of dollars
37:02in litigation alone.
37:05So everybody jumped on board.
37:08Everybody, I mean, and not, there was definitely
37:11some people that played, like, both sides of the field,
37:14which, like, whatever, I get it.
37:16I'm not for it, but I get it from a business standpoint.
37:20That donated to both parties.
37:21Yeah, that donated to both parties.
37:23But then there were a lot of people that were like,
37:25nope, we're balls deep on Trump.
37:29We know what they're going to do to us.
37:31We know what he's going to do for us.
37:34And so-
37:35I was on stage mediating a panel
37:38at Future Blockchain Summit in October,
37:40and there was some CEOs there,
37:42and they gave me this line, like,
37:43well, whoever wins, at least we're going
37:45to have more clarity.
37:47And I just said, let's hold on a second, guys.
37:49Like, seriously.
37:50Did your PR tell you that?
37:52If she wins, we're all fucked.
37:54If he wins, we have liberation.
37:56And let's just be super clear about this.
37:58A hundred percent.
37:59But yeah, a lot of people were either saying that publicly
38:01because they were hedging themselves.
38:02They were hedging themselves.
38:04And I, I mean, I don't get it.
38:08Because, and maybe this sounds naive,
38:12or maybe this is just, like, too much out there,
38:14like, in the dream world.
38:16But if you want to make the world a better place,
38:19be fucking honest and stop bullshitting people.
38:24You've got the team that wants to just destroy
38:29every company out there with regulation,
38:31by enforcement, who wants to come in
38:34and establish a CBDC.
38:36And now, I understand the CBDC argument
38:39from different countries and different people,
38:40but this is the thing that I'll say.
38:42We're Americans.
38:44Fuck CBDCs.
38:46We do not want to be tracked or controlled
38:48by our government.
38:49And they don't have a right to do so.
38:51They also don't have a right to curtail
38:52the Fourth Amendment by utilizing a CBDC.
38:55If you want my information, you get a warrant.
38:58You go to court and you get a warrant.
39:01You make your case.
39:03Why would we allow them to do this to us?
39:07Oh, yes, please come check out my stuff.
39:10No, by all means.
39:11Yes, yes.
39:11This is how I move.
39:12No, screw you.
39:13I don't have to tell you anything.
39:15I'm not a terrorist.
39:16I'm not a drug dealer.
39:17Like, we're just people trying to buy things,
39:19pay things, move things around.
39:22So this is what they wanted to do.
39:26This is what that team wanted to do.
39:28And for you to come out and say,
39:33no, they're open.
39:36I mean, and I won't name the companies
39:38because I have friends in every company.
39:40But when you're posting,
39:43oh, we had a very positive meeting
39:46with the Harris team.
39:47Bullshit.
39:48It wasn't a positive meeting.
39:50You didn't talk about anything.
39:51She never showed up.
39:52She was extremely disrespectful to the industry.
39:55You're a presidential candidate
39:57and you don't want to come and sit with these people.
39:58Do you have any idea how much power we have as an industry?
40:01Well, if you didn't know then, you know now.
40:04Because every single person,
40:06every single person,
40:07regardless of their party affiliation,
40:09who ran on a Bitcoin and or crypto platform
40:13won their seats.
40:16Every single one of them.
40:17The president in Congress,
40:20both in the Senate and the House of Representatives.
40:22Every single person.
40:25And what's cool about that is
40:28when we were putting together the crypto ball,
40:31a lot of, you know, we talked about like,
40:34what is the meaning behind this?
40:35So it was Nick Carr and I who started
40:37with the idea of the crypto ball.
40:39This is during the president's inauguration.
40:41It was this big event you guys hosted.
40:43Yeah, it looked amazing.
40:45And big as well.
40:47Yeah, we had way more people show up.
40:50I think it was 1,700 total.
40:51Oh my gosh.
40:52And we had like capacity for like 1,200.
40:54So it was like, it was very big.
40:58And the whole point of that was like,
41:02what is the message that we want to convey?
41:04Why are we doing this?
41:05Why are we throwing a party?
41:06Some people will tell you parties are vanity.
41:08That's so stupid.
41:09Oh, you guys are throwing a party
41:11because you guys are like the nouveau riche people
41:14who have to like, you know.
41:15And like, in a way, it's kind of funny
41:17because we're in the 20s
41:18and it's similar to kind of like the 20s in that sense.
41:21The roaring 20s.
41:22The roaring 20s, right?
41:24But when Nick and I sat down to discuss this,
41:29he's like, okay, we're like,
41:30what is the intent that we're putting behind all of this?
41:33And I was like, this is easy.
41:36Our intent is to show every single politician
41:40that if you fuck with us,
41:42we will destroy you as an industry.
41:45The industry will band together
41:47and we will come after your seat
41:49and we will put someone that is helpful to us
41:52because at the end of the day,
41:53all we want to do is work.
41:55We're not asking for special favors.
41:57We are not asking for special treatment.
42:00We just want to work
42:01and we just want to continue employing the people
42:03that are in our companies,
42:04which by the way, would be displaced
42:06if the industry would have to like,
42:07leave the United States.
42:09And that's thousands,
42:10probably hundreds of thousands of employees
42:13that these companies have.
42:15And so, and I was like,
42:17and they need our money.
42:20So they're going to want to come to our party.
42:23And if they want our money,
42:25they can fucking come and grovel.
42:27Because how many times did we have to go
42:29and grovel to them?
42:30How many times did we have to go plead to them?
42:33Be like, please, this is what's happening.
42:35Like our companies are under attack.
42:38And to what extent?
42:39And that's not to say that we don't have champions.
42:41I mean, Senator Lummis is a champion,
42:43Senator Blackburn, Ted Cruz.
42:46Like we have people there that are vision.
42:48I mean, Ted Cruz mines Bitcoin.
42:52So the whole point around this was,
42:55we're here.
42:57We made it.
42:58We made it with despite every attack,
43:02every hostile thing you've ever said about us.
43:05And I was just like,
43:05and wouldn't this be the biggest fuck you
43:08to Elizabeth Warren?
43:09It's like, we're going to have the hottest ticket in town
43:14when it comes to events during Inauguration Week
43:18for Donald J. Trump,
43:20the 47th president of the United States.
43:22And screw you,
43:24because you've come against us every single time.
43:27And guess what?
43:28We won.
43:29You've tried to destroy Bitcoin all these years.
43:32We won.
43:33You've tried to destroy an entire industry.
43:35And guess what?
43:36We know how to put our differences together.
43:38Like aside and work together
43:40to accomplish the common good for what we need.
43:43And that was something that the president complimented us on.
43:46When we were at the Nashville Roundtable,
43:50this was one of the things that he said.
43:51He's like, you know,
43:52I worked with many people and many industries,
43:55and I've never seen like the cohesiveness,
43:59the working together,
44:00despite the fact that you're competitors.
44:03This is great.
44:04So, you know, it's been a wild ride,
44:09but here we are.
44:11And Nashville was, I mean,
44:18I still,
44:21so like when you're on the other side of things,
44:23it's so stressful, right?
44:24Like we work with their team.
44:26By the way, the president's team,
44:27the people that work for this man
44:29are the most extraordinary people on the planet.
44:33They are so sweet.
44:35They are so diligent, super responsive.
44:39And I mean, we have wonderful relationships with them
44:41because we've spent a whole year working with them.
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