"No Doubt We Support the Government, We Just Don't Want the Country to Reach a Dead End," PPP Leader

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00:00Please tell us, Ms. Shizra, if you have an opinion about this Jamaat, that they are corrupt and criminal,

00:07that this Jamaat is a terrorist group, that you have announced a ban on them,

00:11then what are you sitting under? Why are you negotiating with them?

00:16Look, in a parliamentary-democratic system, negotiations are necessary with everyone.

00:22It's not a matter of today. When they were in government, we were in the opposition,

00:28we said that they should come for economic settlement, let's go together.

00:32When we were in government and opposition, we still said the same thing.

00:36But they always sent the message that they only want to negotiate with the establishment.

00:41They only want to negotiate with the establishment.

00:44Finally, when they used all their power and they failed.

00:48They tried to attack Islamabad again and again.

00:51They somehow managed to get out of there.

00:53They came out with a shroud on their heads.

00:55They raged a lot.

00:56But gradually, we found out that people are fed up now.

00:59Their own employees have also left.

01:01They are completely disappointed and have become hateful.

01:05So now they said, finally, let's negotiate.

01:08Look, in negotiations, their leader, whoever he is, is corrupt,

01:12whoever he is, he is going through the judicial process and he is being punished for it.

01:16But there is no doubt that the whole community is a cult.

01:19The community is not a political community.

01:21But still, we understand that their share, which is in the parliament,

01:25should be negotiated with them for the sake of the people, for the sake of Pakistan,

01:29for the sake of the improvement of Pakistan.

01:31There should be a discussion on policy.

01:33They are very clear.

01:34They say that when we move forward in negotiations,

01:36our top priority will be our leader's release because he is in prison.

01:40You are very clear that the release will be under the judicial process.

01:43What does it have to do with us?

01:45Then how will the negotiations go ahead practically?

01:49Look, they will have to think about it.

01:51If they want to negotiate only for NRO, then of course the negotiations cannot go ahead.

01:57But if they want to negotiate for the betterment of the country, for the betterment of the people,

02:02talk about reforms and talk about future policy making,

02:07make fun of their role as an opposition,

02:12maintain their role in the parliament,

02:15accept the supremacy of the parliament,

02:17then it will go ahead.

02:19As far as they talk about the election,

02:21whenever they do not win any election,

02:24it is their service to make that election questionable.

02:28They started with 35 punctures.

02:30They said that it is a political statement.

02:32Then they opened four rings.

02:34They lost again in all four rings.

02:36And the richest election of 2018,

02:40apart from RTS, they liked it.

02:42Now it is the same thing again.

02:44They accepted our mandate the day they sat at the table of negotiations.

02:49Okay, you stay here. I will go to Amritsar.

02:51Now this is very interesting.

02:53Your interpretation is that they accepted our mandate the same day when they sat in front of us in the negotiations.

02:57What they have to say is that there is no one more successful than us

03:00who they went to ban,

03:02whose picture was banned,

03:04who was called Qusayf Irena.

03:06It is a very interesting interpretation.

03:08I will come to you.

03:10But Mr. Amritsar, first you tell me,

03:12the news that comes,

03:14is it true that the People's Party

03:16is not only a part of the government,

03:18as a collective,

03:20but their attitude towards you,

03:22although you are technically a part of the treasury benches,

03:24or in that respect, you are not a part of the government,

03:26you are not officially a member,

03:28but whatever attitude you should have,

03:30you are not satisfied with that at all.

03:32And many times you have thought about this,

03:34or your group has a clear opinion,

03:36that whatever support we are giving to this system,

03:38to this government, we should step back.

03:40Is this right, Mr. Amritsar?

03:44No, I think it is not like that.

03:46Okay.

03:48The way you are understanding it,

03:50we are their supporters,

03:52there is no doubt about it.

03:54And we just want that the country

03:56does not go towards a closed lane.

03:58For politics, the roads should remain open.

04:00And the system should be able

04:02to bring improvement in it.

04:04It should continue to run.

04:06The system should not derail.

04:08The Pakistan People's Party

04:10is supporting them.

04:12The rest depends on the Noon League

04:14as to how they behave

04:16with their supporters

04:18or their allies.

04:20There is no doubt about it.

04:22But Mr. Murtaza,

04:24Mr. Murtaza,

04:26the Noon League government

04:28is sitting here.

04:30If you make a mistake tomorrow,

04:32the system will fall.

04:34So, you will take full responsibility tomorrow.

04:36This is not right.

04:38Because it can be seen that

04:40where there is a mistake,

04:42you say that it is their government,

04:44what can we do?

04:46And where there is good,

04:48you take full blame.

04:50Whatever is good or bad.

04:52This is what the Pakistan People's Party

04:54is saying.

04:56If you do not take the decisions

04:58of the Pakistan People's Party

05:00on board,

05:02or if they do it

05:04without their support,

05:06then you take responsibility

05:08and say that these decisions

05:10are not theirs, they are ours.

05:12So, do you take them on board or not?

05:14Listen to me.

05:16Because we have to bear

05:18the same decisions tomorrow.

05:20They are good or bad.

05:22There will be advantages and disadvantages.

05:24If we have to bear the same,

05:26then we should be on board.

05:28We should know that

05:30we have committed this crime.

05:32We are partners in crime.

05:34So, the Pakistan People's Party

05:36never runs away from this.

05:38We openly say that

05:40we are sharing the burden.

05:42The situation is such

05:44that all of us should be together.

05:46We have also told Tehreek-e-Insaf

05:48to come and

05:50sit together and take decisions

05:52that are not theirs.

05:54But Mr. Murtaza,

05:56you should take responsibility

05:58for some things.

06:00For example,

06:02in every press conference,

06:04people's party,

06:06Mr. Sharjeel,

06:08Mr. Aiwan,

06:10you have made a motorway

06:12from Karachi to Sukkur.

06:14You have made a motorway

06:16from Karachi to Sukkur.

06:18You have made a motorway

06:20from Karachi to Sukkur.

06:22In the past, you have

06:24made a project

06:26without the PPP's.

06:28You should have made it.

06:30You are running around

06:32telling the central government

06:34to make this and that.

06:36You have been in power

06:38since my childhood.

06:40You should make it.

06:42I am not sure

06:44if you are laughing

06:46because you are in power.

06:48They are laughing at both the things, don't worry.

06:51Mr. Benami, the request is that if they had said that Pakistan's resources were going out of their pockets, then we would have said that yes.

07:04The voice is off, that's not what Mr. Murtaza is saying.

07:06The voters of the Pakistan People's Party are not taxpayers, do they not have any right to vote for them?

07:20If the government makes electricity and gives it to Faisalabad, does that mean that Faisalabad has no right?

07:28So when you were in power, you also wanted to make electricity from taxpayers' money, not from your own pocket.

07:35This is a part of the energy tax, the energy tax of the Pakistan People's Party.

07:42It was not of PMLN, it was not of Asif Ali Zardari either.

07:48Asif Ali Zardari was going to do all this.

07:52A program is still going on, the energy projects are still going on.

08:01The rest of the things should be for all the provinces.

08:05I don't think this is a service to loyalty.

08:10Mr. Aleem Khan said that Sindh should have been built on its own.

08:14He said that you should have built it in your government, what's wrong with that?

08:21I say that during the government from 2008 to 2013,

08:28Asif Ali Zardari's CPEC program, it takes time.

08:35These are mega projects, it's not a one-week, ten-day program.

08:39That program is still going on.

08:42And I say that even if that doesn't happen,

08:45does that mean that Sindh has no right to Pakistan's resources?

08:49He said that he will build it this year, he has promised.

08:53If he has promised, then it was necessary to say what he has said.

08:57I think he has said a small thing, he has said a small thing of his own.

09:01Let him apologize.

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