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00:00We are joined in the studio by Mr. Javed and Mr. Mohsin Baig.

00:05During the program, we will talk to Mr. Kamran Murtaza and Mr. Murtaza Wahab.

00:11Both of them are in the same meeting in Lahore.

00:13We will get the latest updates from them if we can talk to them.

00:16Let's start from here.

00:18Mr. Murtaza, you heard the conversation.

00:20It was a very smart move.

00:23A senior member of the Ruling Alliance told me that this gun was not to be used.

00:29When we sent Mr. Mohsin Naqvi and Mr. Azam Tawadar,

00:34we sent so many juniors.

00:36In the eyes of the politicians, they are juniors.

00:39Mr. Mulana actually felt insulted.

00:42Who sent me?

00:43It's the same thing, if the army chief wants to talk to someone,

00:46and he sends the captain,

00:47he will say that he has no weight.

00:49So, this start-off was wrong.

00:51He thought that if a heavyweight like Mr. Sanaullah, Mr. Khawaja Asif,

00:56or Mr. Ishaq Dar would go,

00:58then Mr. Zardari or Mr. Mian would talk to him.

01:01So, he said that the first brick hit was crooked.

01:03After that.

01:05Then, when this started,

01:08then you saw.

01:09Now, this is a solution.

01:11They also got their coat in the name of the bench.

01:14They are also getting it.

01:16They got their bench.

01:18They got their coat.

01:19Now, everyone is happy.

01:20Will it work?

01:21First of all, you have decided that

01:26whatever will be the final form,

01:31when it will be presented in the Senate and the National Assembly,

01:34then it will be easily accepted.

01:37First of all, you answer me,

01:40why are you so confident that the government has the complete numbers?

01:44No, no, these are their claims.

01:46I am confident about the formula.

01:48Because this formula has been decided yesterday.

01:50This has been decided till yesterday.

01:52And that is why it has been finalized.

01:53Now, they are showing the numbers.

01:55Mr. Shah, they are showing the numbers.

01:57What do I have to do with it?

01:58Now, you tell me one thing.

02:00If they have,

02:01suppose they don't have the numbers.

02:03Then it ends later.

02:05But suppose for a while,

02:08just for fun,

02:10that there are numbers.

02:12And this formula is done.

02:13Then what will happen?

02:14I think,

02:15Mr. Malik, who was my dear brother last time,

02:18we are not getting involved in any argument.

02:24Just a few days ago,

02:27you were called,

02:29it was decided that there are numbers and we are doing it.

02:32And in the end, it could not be done.

02:35And the biggest expression of not being able to do it,

02:37came from whom?

02:38The one who is doing it today.

02:40Right, Mr. Ranjit?

02:43By the way, he himself came to vote for Islamabad.

02:46No, but after that,

02:47he was the first one to leave.

02:49Yes, he also lost his hand.

02:50I don't know how many hands he lost.

02:52Now, the question is,

02:53will he lose his hand again?

02:55Number one.

02:57So, the first thing is that

02:59you are not getting involved in this argument,

03:02which I am accusing you of.

03:06That you have assumed

03:08that the government has the numbers.

03:10And that it will accept this constitutional amendment.

03:14Please allow me to say this.

03:17Now, I think that

03:21whether it is a constitutional bench

03:24or the Supreme Court,

03:29if there is a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,

03:32then he will remain the Chief Justice.

03:36You can do whatever you want,

03:39if and but…

03:40But, Mr. Shah,

03:41if there is a constitutional amendment,

03:43then you have cut your legs from below,

03:45in one area.

03:46And that is for constitutional matters.

03:48Are they taking off 184 altogether?

03:52That it will not remain in the constitution?

03:54The constitutional matters will be out.

03:56If 184 will remain,

03:57then the constitutional matters will also remain.

03:59No, but this will also be decided.

04:00No, this is not clear.

04:01I want you to do this.

04:03Mr. Mohsin, you also include me in this.

04:06First, you explain one thing to me.

04:08He is not involved in making a graph.

04:10I have heard that he has been seen in 2-3 places.

04:13Yes, I have met one person.

04:15Okay, I just want to know

04:18that which person has the final authority to decide

04:23that this matter is a constitutional matter

04:26and this should go to the Supreme Court.

04:29Bench.

04:30Which bench?

04:31Constitutional bench.

04:32Who will head it?

04:33This will also be made by the Judicial Commission.

04:36One of the judges will be its head.

04:38This will be decided by the Judicial Commission.

04:40Neither the registrar will decide

04:41nor the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

04:43The Judicial Commission will designate the bench.

04:46Judges will appoint it.

04:47Its head will be appointed in that.

04:49That is why I am saying that

04:50this court is being made within the court.

04:52There is a bench in saying.

04:54That is why I told you about Shakespeare.

04:56Call it by any other name,

04:57it smells as sweet.

04:59This is Rose, sir.

05:01You are not just calling it Rose.

05:03The formula is coming out for both of them.

05:05Mr. Malik, you are saying this

05:08as if this matter had to be decided

05:11by two parties.

05:14One is Bilawal Bhutto Zardari

05:16and the other is Maulana Fazlur Rehman.

05:18You are minusing those

05:20who made the food today.

05:22No, no, no.

05:23They had an input.

05:24They had an input with Bilawal too.

05:25Now the final touches are being made.

05:27In any case,

05:29we have the state

05:31and there are some concerns of the state.

05:33There will be some work from their side too.

05:35The interest of the state is there.

05:36Mr. Bilawal is also watching.

05:37Even Mr. Maulana is watching.

05:39Let me give you a small example.

05:41A JUI has given an amendment.

05:43Mr. Mohsin, I will come to you after that.

05:45They have given an amendment in Article 243

05:47in the name of Article 243.5

05:49to add the fifth point.

05:51Before there were four clauses in Article 243.

05:53Now there are five clauses.

05:55He said, if there is an appointment,

05:57reappointment,

05:59and removal as services chief,

06:01then it will be in accordance with the laws

06:03of the armed forces.

06:05He said, but once appointed,

06:07once it is appointed,

06:09reappointed,

06:11or extension in service,

06:13then those terms cannot be changed

06:15until

06:17a committee is formed

06:19of the House Equal Representation Treasury

06:21with their approval.

06:23There will be no discussion of the Prime Minister.

06:25You yourself have said

06:27that the amendment

06:29that is being added

06:31is intended to tease Mr. Mian.

06:33No, it is not intended to tease him.

06:35You have seen twice.

06:37In your tenure,

06:39once you tried to make Mr. Jahangir Karamat

06:41and the second time you tried to make him leave.

06:43This means that

06:45two big stakeholders,

06:47i.e. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari

06:49and Maulana Fazlur Rahman,

06:51they think that

06:53as long as Nawaz Sharif is there,

06:55he can surprise us

06:57at some point or the other.

06:59There is a history of this.

07:01There is only one history,

07:03which is related to one person

07:05and not to anyone else.

07:07Do you remember,

07:09when Imran Khan was there,

07:11there was an uproar at one time

07:13that General Faiz Gambler is coming

07:15and he wants to remove General Bajwa.

07:17The Prime Minister

07:19asked his lawyer

07:21if he can remove him before time.

07:23There was a lot of disturbance at that time.

07:25Before Mohsin Bhai says,

07:27I am sorry.

07:29Do you remember,

07:31on 11th June 1991,

07:33three months before the appointment

07:35of the new Army Chief,

07:37there was a notification

07:39that on 17th August,

07:41keeping this tradition in mind,

07:43six months before,

07:45he will be removed.

07:47I have quoted this because

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