" Hukoomat Ko Koi Jaldi Nahi Thi, Agar Jaldi Hoti To. .." Rehnuma Noon League Bilal Azhar Kayani

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00:00Bilal Azhar Qayani sahab, what has the government done?

00:03If they were in a hurry, it's been 45 days since the new Chief Justice has arrived,

00:08then this work could have been done easily.

00:10They were in such a hurry, we thought that all the work would be done by tomorrow night.

00:13Then Maulana sahab went and neither the amendment could be passed,

00:17nor was the compensation given. Why?

00:20In the name of Allah, thank you very much for inviting me to your show.

00:23Look, first of all, as per my statement, the compensation is with them since yesterday.

00:29Are you saying that they have come in a hurry?

00:31No, as per my statement, I am telling you that it was with them since yesterday.

00:37In the last few days, it's not that it's been a long time, but it was with them.

00:41The second thing is that the verbal conversation,

00:45you saw that our leadership also went to them, the Chief Justice also went,

00:49teams were coming and going, meetings were going on, so a basic conversation was going on.

00:55I think that there was a hope that these matters would be resolved by tomorrow

01:02and it would be put to an end by tomorrow.

01:04Who was the source of this hope?

01:06But the request is that even if it's not,

01:08and if Maulana sahab thinks that there should be more discussion on this,

01:11then there is no harm in that either.

01:13But tell me, this hope that you spoke to Maulana sahab,

01:16who were you hoping from?

01:18From the government, from Shaba Sharif sahab, from the Chief Justice?

01:21This was as a result of the discussions that were going on between the communities,

01:25including Maulana sahab.

01:27Anyway, the thing is that this is a constitutional amendment,

01:30and if they think that there should be more discussion on this,

01:33then of course there can be.

01:35We have said that even today, you saw on the floor of the House,

01:38you also heard the words of Azam Tarar sahab and Khawaja Asif sahab,

01:41you also heard the words of Irfan Siddiqui sahab in the committee last evening.

01:44So in the coming days, there will be more deliberation on this on the committee.

01:48There are constitutional courts, etc.

01:50He said that there are no objections.

01:52I am sure there will be debate on the details.

01:54There are some other measures with which he might object.

01:57Anyway, these are all the things that we think are pending for a long time.

02:01Some remaining parts of the 18th Charter of Democracy,

02:04which have not been implemented so far,

02:06or they could not be made a part of the constitution practically.

02:09But then the deadlock came on this.

02:11First, they are saying that they did not get a chance.

02:13You are saying that according to your information,

02:15they did not get a chance.

02:17One or two days ago, they should not have demanded that we do not have a constitution.

02:21Anyway, this is the matter.

02:23But whether the constitution went or not,

02:25whatever the case was,

02:27until they said yes,

02:29why was the government in such a hurry that we passed it on Saturday or Sunday?

02:31No, no.

02:33Is this not bad optics?

02:35No, no.

02:37If they were in such a hurry,

02:39then the constitution would have been approved in the cabinet.

02:41There were other ways.

02:43No, no.

02:46If there is a political agreement on it,

02:48then the government had to take it to the cabinet.

02:50Once it is approved by the cabinet,

02:52then it has to come to the assemblies or both the houses.

02:54It has to come to one of the houses first.

02:56National Assembly or Senate.

02:58Because the matter was not tied up,

03:00that is why it was not taken to the cabinet.

03:02If there was a hurry,

03:04then we would have taken the matter to the cabinet.

03:06There was no hurry.

03:08There was definitely a hope that

03:10there would be an agreement before that.

03:12If for some reason,

03:14there is a need for some time,

03:16then there is no harm in it.

03:18The second thing is that you said that

03:20it is not a matter of victory or defeat.

03:22No, no.

03:24This is a matter of constitutional amendments.

03:26We have proposed a package on this.

03:28It is amazing that you are trying to get a consensus.

03:30If you had tried to get this consensus earlier,

03:32then what would have happened?

03:34No, no.

03:36We found out yesterday

03:38that Maulana Sahib is trying to convince

03:40the other parties of the opposition.

03:43Akhtar Mahengal Sahib has to make a call.

03:45A constitutional amendment is only passed

03:47when two-thirds of the National Assembly

03:49and two-thirds of the Senate

03:51pass it separately.

03:53There cannot be a more political agreement

03:55than this.

03:57To pass anything.

03:59There was a debate on the 18th amendment

04:01for 355 hours.

04:03Mr. Bilal, tell me how many debates

04:05were there on this?

04:07Prior to placing it in the House,

04:09there was a lot of discussion.

04:11Mr. Khurshid Shah is chairing

04:13the Parliamentary Committee.

04:15There have been other sessions on this.

04:17There will be more discussions

04:19in the coming days.

04:21The fundamental point is that

04:23this is not a political issue.

04:25This is a matter of

04:27how you can improve the way

04:29the judges speak.

04:31There is a parliamentary representation

04:33of the opposition and the Treasury.

04:35There is a constitutional court

04:37which was a part of the Charter of Democracy.

04:40The constitutional cases

04:42will be taken to a special court.

04:44Mr. Sumrath has said

04:46that he has no objection to this.

04:48The existing Supreme Court and

04:50High Court cases will be taken

04:52to a special court

04:54where the cases of common people

04:56are delayed.

04:58Mr. Bilal Azhar Kiani,

05:00now what?

05:02Now that the time has come,

05:04the case has gone to the Supreme Court

05:06and the Supreme Court.

05:08Do you think the Vokla movement

05:10should take the case

05:12to a different level?

05:14The Vokla movement should give

05:16their own opinion.

05:18They should be given

05:20their input.

05:22I will disagree with Mr. Niazi.

05:24He gave an example

05:26which you mentioned.

05:28The amendment of the Constitution

05:30and the passing of the case

05:32to the National Assembly

05:34and the Senate separately

05:37is only the right of the Parliament.

05:39It is not possible that

05:41because the Supreme Court

05:43does not like a law,

05:45they can strike it down.

05:47But a law should not be made.

05:49If a law is made,

05:51then it will be rejected.

05:53How can they entertain

05:55a law that has not been made?

05:57Even if it is made,

05:59they can entertain it

06:01by striking down a law

06:03made by the Parliament

06:05Just on this particular point,

06:07the practice and procedure bill

06:09that he gave as an example

06:11is an example of a mistake

06:13by the Supreme Court.

06:15They entertained a bill

06:17and gave a statement

06:19on it.

06:21The Supreme Court

06:23does not have the right

06:25to strike down

06:27the legislation

06:29of the Parliament.

06:31Yes, if a bill has been made

06:34and you can prove

06:36that it is contrary

06:38to the legislation,

06:40then you can strike it down.

06:42But the counter question is

06:44that there are pillars

06:46of the state

06:48and you are one of them.

06:50If they cannot intervene

06:52in your work,

06:54then you cannot intervene in their work.

06:56No, there is a big difference.

06:58The Parliament was the one

07:00who made the legislation

07:02Parliament is the mother

07:04of all institutions.

07:06How you are doing that matters.

07:08You can debate on that.

07:10But to strike down the legislation

07:12or to talk about it

07:14or to have a discussion

07:16with the Parliament

07:18and to entertain

07:20a case on it,

07:22I don't think that they have

07:24that space.

07:26As far as your arguments

07:28are concerned,

07:31the Supreme Court

07:33agreed to the practice

07:35and procedure bill

07:37and today it is an act.

07:39The Supreme Court

07:41has been democratized

07:43and now there are

07:45three judges

07:47who will decide

07:49on the motor powers

07:51or on the bench formation.

07:53We will convince

07:55the members of the National Assembly

07:57and Senate

07:59to vote on the bill

08:01when two thirds

08:03of both houses

08:05will vote on it.

08:07We will convince the members

08:09to vote on the bill

08:11when two thirds

08:13of both houses

08:15will vote on it.

08:17How long will it take

08:19to convince the members?

08:21I think it is hard to say.

08:23I want it to happen as soon as possible.

08:25I am sure the Jamaats will also want it to happen.

08:28Obviously, there is some confusion

08:30and that is why the session

08:32has been delayed.

08:34Naturally, there is a committee

08:36but the committee is there.

08:38The committee which will have

08:40a heavy parliamentary representation

08:42from the Senate, National Assembly,

08:44Treasury and Opposition

08:46will do its job.

08:48I am sure that

08:50if there is a consensus

08:52after the discussion,

08:54both houses can be called

08:56and the voting can take place

08:58and the bill can be passed.

09:00There is still a discussion

09:02going on.

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