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24 Hours in Police Custody S04E05
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00:01It's an emergency.
00:02The guy just hold a knife to my throat and told me he tempted the till.
00:07It was like a kitchen knife, like a 12-inch knife.
00:12With regular customers, sometimes they can say,
00:14give us all your money at a till.
00:16So at first, I kind of laughed and thought he was joking.
00:21And then that's when he kind of crouched down with the knife
00:24and put it round my throat and said,
00:26no, get to the till, I'm not joking.
00:30Hey, stay where you are!
00:48Any sudden moves? Yeah.
00:51Attemptive murder. Attemptive murder.
00:54Get in the van!
00:56Once a suspect is in custody...
00:58The police have just 24 hours to find out what really happened.
01:04The time is really ticking.
01:07Who's innocent?
01:09Who's guilty?
01:12We're good to go.
01:14This is your opportunity to talk to me.
01:16There's two sides to every single story.
01:18There's two sides to every single story.
01:20The taxi got robbed. They just took his car and just drove off.
01:36He was in a nice point.
01:37He had a knife, you're saying?
01:38Yeah, a long knife.
01:39Luton is suffering a spate of armed robberies.
01:42Yes.
01:43Yes.
01:44Yes.
01:45These little sticks me up, they always do.
01:46Tonight, a man has been arrested for attacking a taxi driver at knife point and
01:51stealing his car.
01:52Okay, so, what's your name?
01:53Wesley Brimble.
01:54Wesley Brimble.
01:55Wesley, how are you spelling your name?
01:56Wherever you want to spell it.
01:57Yeah.
01:58Okay, so, what's your name?
01:59Wesley Brimble.
02:00Wesley, how are you spelling your name?
02:01Whatever you want to spell it.
02:02Yeah.
02:03Okay, so, what's your name?
02:04Wesley Brimble.
02:06Do you know the circumstances at all?
02:20Do you know the circumstances at all?
02:26Do you know the circumstances?
02:32excuse me are you listening
02:37I've been arrested
02:38I've been arrested anyway
02:40what are you like that for
02:41what I can't speak to my fucking mum
02:42why what I'm not even to my fucking mum
02:44no you can't not at the moment
02:46so what I can't tell my old dear
02:48that I'm in the fucking police station
02:48no not at the moment
02:49we'll do that in age one
02:51get the fucking mental health team in there
02:55because I am starting to lose it again
02:57yeah
02:57because your arm is fucking response officers
03:00already fucked up my face outside there
03:02look when they twisted me up
03:04they had the fucking guns yeah
03:05so all you're doing is you're just
03:07pushing buttons
03:08nicking me for fuck all
03:10look I'll sit down here
03:12tell me what
03:13do what the fuck
03:14you fucking want me right
03:15now I'll just fucking sit
03:18Mr. Brimble come and stand up
03:19no no no do what you want yeah
03:21tell you what I'm getting really fed up
03:22of all this I'll tell you
03:23as long as you end up in assault charges
03:25I don't even want that
03:26it's Brimble
03:33Brimble
03:33turned up
03:34all the waves and strays
03:37there's someone like Brimble
03:40the crime statistics go haywire
03:43when these prolific offenders
03:45go back out on the streets
03:46officer Gary Hales
03:50has been investigating violent crime
03:52in Luton for the last 10 years
03:57a small percentage of people have a big impact on this town
04:02Brimble being one of them
04:05we see them come through as juveniles shoplifters petty crimes like that
04:11these kids will then move on to to bigger crimes and more serious violence
04:17especially when you've got drugs involved
04:21they become more unstable more unpredictable
04:24and that makes them extremely dangerous
04:27they are such a threat level
04:31that we have to get them locked up
04:33we have to get them off the streets
04:34I can open the door
04:38but you've got to stay inside there
04:40an accomplice of Wesley Brimble
04:42has also been arrested
04:43on suspicion of robbery
04:45it's a bit cross and frothing
04:47yeah I know
04:47it gets a bit stuffy
04:48look at all this condensation
04:51rotting
04:52our chap's apparently got money in his pocket
04:55that has come from the robbery
04:56right so Mr. what's your surname?
05:07Sinclair
05:07S-I-N-C-L-A-I-R
05:10and what's your first name?
05:12Andrew
05:13Andrew
05:13are we getting bailed?
05:16are we going out of the normal hell?
05:17normal hell?
05:19doesn't work that quite
05:20what property should they?
05:21it fucking never works that quite
05:22what property have you got
05:23has you got any money?
05:24I like
05:24some miscellaneous papers
05:25and my god
05:26when I went to the church the other day
05:28oh you had to get that in didn't you?
05:31what your crack pipe?
05:31yeah
05:32it's not
05:33it's a weed pipe
05:34you know what I mean
05:35I don't smoke crack
05:36innocent man
05:37we're ready to go
05:39F2 please
05:40what for dinner?
05:41F2
05:41F2
05:42oh for dinner please
05:43they're trying to charge me
05:52with our robbery
05:52and I'm thinking
05:53what the fuck
05:54I don't know
05:55we're looking good
05:56for a few years for it
05:57you know what I mean
05:57if I get charged with it
05:59would you be worried about
06:01going to enter prison?
06:03well
06:03I'll tell you the truth
06:05yeah
06:05I've been a couple of times
06:08you tell me your fault?
06:11like fraud
06:12er
06:13shoplifting
06:15do you know what I mean?
06:16my best mate
06:20he's just come out of jail
06:21from
06:22doing armour
06:23he's going to get out
06:27because he's never done nothing
06:28good bloke
06:30all the way through and through
06:31good bloke
06:32how long have you known each other
06:34you know what
06:35we haven't known each other
06:36that long
06:37we haven't
06:37but we've connected
06:38you know
06:39we've clicked
06:39shut away
06:40Brimble and Sinclair
06:43will be held in the cells
06:44overnight
06:45detectives will begin
06:47investigating their case
06:48tomorrow
06:48morning
07:06there's some old school names there
07:12that I haven't seen for a little while
07:14is that young Brimble or old Brimble
07:16is it Wesley?
07:17Wesley Brimble
07:18oh where is he Brimble
07:19sort of 40s
07:2130s
07:21I haven't seen
07:22he was my first duress
07:23when I joined the police
07:24I remember him
07:27early days
07:28could be a right handful
07:29and I haven't seen
07:30for a little while
07:31the police need to find evidence
07:45linking Brimble and Sinclair
07:46to last night's knife point
07:48robbery
07:48just ask him to tell the whole story
07:55just ask him to tell the whole story
07:55link in the room
07:55here
08:08and he's going to tell the whole story
08:10we're going to tell the whole story
08:11and we're going to tell the whole story
08:12and the whole story
08:13Will you be able to recognise him if he's on his face again?
08:26No.
08:27We've got this Luton-Bowell account's CCTV.
08:39It could be on my account, my thing actually, my computer.
08:41With the driver unable to identify his attackers,
08:44detectives hope CCTV of the men fleeing the stolen taxi
08:48will connect them to the robbery.
08:53You see the call comes in.
08:55The taxi's missing.
08:58The camera is looking for the taxi, obviously,
09:01the robbery's been reported.
09:03And there's a taxi.
09:05It wasn't eminent a guy, now the taxi's there.
09:11The next thing you know is it's called in a swobbery.
09:17Yeah.
09:18These guys who have got in custody come out of the flat.
09:24They're seen getting rid of the taxi driver's phone
09:26under the tree where the officers find it.
09:29And then they're arrested shortly after that.
09:33They're never near that taxi.
09:34Never going to prove anything.
09:36It could have been anybody and then they could then be handling it.
09:38They could say, well, someone gave me this phone and I'll...
09:40Yeah.
09:41Right, OK.
09:42We'll go to Ash Road camera.
09:43Oh, it's not working.
09:44It's not playing, is it?
09:45But she's having problems with her equipment over there.
09:49Just like some of it's not downloaded or not downloaded properly.
10:10Oh, you're broken.
10:11Oh.
10:12Even though police fear they may offend again,
10:17with no CCTV of the attack available,
10:20they have no choice but to release Brimble and Sinclair.
10:24I'm ready to bail.
10:38Why not?
10:39What happened?
10:40I don't know.
10:41I don't normally let him get out.
10:43Come and stand up here for me, please.
10:45I don't know whether the officer has had the opportunity
10:48to explain what's happening, but I'm going to release you on bail.
10:51It's going to be a fairly short bail for a week.
10:55You're going to have no contact or communication with Wesley, yeah?
10:59For the time being, you need to stay away from him
11:01until such time as we are satisfied that it's not going to make any difference
11:04as part of this investigation.
11:06Sinclair and Brimble, these are two peas in a pod.
11:12Back on the Class A drugs and, you know, they're a toxic mix,
11:16I think, the two of them together.
11:18OK, so it's going to be conditional bail.
11:19The officer's going to tell me those conditions now.
11:21The first one is not to contact or communicate with Andrew Sinclair,
11:25directly or indirectly?
11:27Yeah.
11:28OK.
11:31Me, personally, I never like to let anybody go.
11:33I would charge and remind every bastard that comes through the door
11:36who's committed a serious offence.
11:38It's frustrating when you can't do that.
11:49What's going to happen on the next offence?
11:53The worst-case scenario, when people are out of control
11:56and, you know, they're committing offences of this nature,
12:00and that knife comes out, they could definitely kill somebody.
12:05It's been five days since two suspected armed robbers were released from police custody.
12:22It's an emergency.
12:24There's two masked men with knives robbing the shop down the road.
12:28There's a girl in the counter.
12:30Can we send someone quick, please?
12:31Hold on a second, sir.
12:33They've got a knife on her.
12:36Oh, man, what's going on?
12:39They're smashing the counter.
12:40They're walking out that old slab, yeah.
12:47You're all right, ladies?
12:49Has anyone hurt?
12:53No?
12:54OK.
12:57Right.
13:01Which guy are you talking about?
13:02This Asian man here.
13:05Who did?
13:06The guys, I took them from where they booked the taxi.
13:10Were they both carrying knives?
13:11Yeah, yeah.
13:13345.
13:14The situation is they've exited the store.
13:18Members of the public have seen them and have challenged them.
13:22The offenders have been made off down Dewsbury Road.
13:31Police immediately launch a manhunt for Brimble and Sinclair,
13:34who they believe to be armed and dangerous.
13:44Hey!
13:46Come here!
13:48Hello, mate.
13:50Put your hands on.
13:51OK.
13:52Just come and stand around here while these boys sort ourselves out.
13:53Just come and stand around here, mate.
13:54Yeah, I think you should just talk about the game.
13:57I feel like I want to be dead.
13:59You know?
14:00I feel like I quite happily want to be shot.
14:04Are we going to take me out of the game?
14:05Are we going to go pop, pop?
14:08And take me out of the game, yeah?
14:09Come on, mate, let's go.
14:10All right, let's go.
14:20What have I been there for a minute?
14:22Armed robbery, mate.
14:23All right?
14:25Can you mention the description of the offender for it, all right?
14:29I've mentioned the description.
14:32Oh, great.
14:33All right.
14:45Is that Wesley Ribble?
14:46Has he shaved his head since he was last in custody?
14:50Prop one or prop two?
14:51One.
14:52Oh, fuck you.
14:53Wait, stay here.
14:54No, fuck, no.
14:55Wait, don't start.
14:56I'm trying to do, I'm trying to do.
14:58Take the fuck off you.
14:59Can you take F1, please?
15:00Right, are you going to listen to me or not?
15:03No, I'm not.
15:04Right, F1.
15:05Take me out.
15:06Yeah, it'll need...
15:07All right, come on.
15:08Come on, pussies.
15:09Come on, come on.
15:10Get your hands up here, cos I'm not resisting.
15:16Wesley?
15:17No, these poppers are fucking bullies.
15:20Fucking bullying me.
15:21No, they're detaining you.
15:22No, they're not.
15:24Get the fuck off me, you muck.
15:27Get the fuck off me, you pussy.
15:29Come here when I'll spit in your face.
15:31Well, you're going down to your cell now.
15:32Can I ask you a couple of questions first?
15:34Have you had any alcohol tonight?
15:36I'll make one pint and that's it.
15:37Okay, what about drugs?
15:38No, don't do drugs.
15:39Test me.
15:40Okay, no drugs at all.
15:41Can you stand up?
15:42My fucking money.
15:43One, two, three.
15:44Yeah, sweet.
15:45There we are.
15:46You took my fucking money, which is mine.
15:47Can you follow me, please?
15:48Yeah, that's fine.
15:49We just haven't got a problem with you.
15:50Good.
15:51Johnny.
15:53I've got a problem with the officers
15:54that threw me up for nothing.
15:56He hasn't been in custody for ages,
15:59and then he's been in twice the last...
16:01Oh, well.
16:05Okay, let's go.
16:07There's something there.
16:09There's something there.
16:11Right, you've been at a restaurant
16:13on suspicion of a robbery.
16:15Right, what's his last name?
16:16Was it?
16:17Sinclair.
16:18Yeah.
16:19First name?
16:20Andrew.
16:21Right, I've got some more questions to ask you, okay?
16:34Come on, mate.
16:35Keep it away.
16:36Andrew, could you talk to me, please?
16:39We were halfway through the assessment.
16:41The assessment, okay?
16:43No.
16:44No.
16:45Okay.
16:46Can you just take him to M5, please?
16:48It'll be a cell watch.
16:49M5?
16:50Yeah, but those...
16:51All those clothes need to come up
16:52and put him in a suicide suit, please.
16:54Come on, mate.
16:56Oh, fuck's sake.
16:58Come on, mate.
16:59With the men back in custody,
17:01the clock starts again for police
17:03to find enough evidence to convict them.
17:06Is he decent?
17:24He's got any shots in.
17:27Hiya!
17:29You've had a haircut as well.
17:31Someone will be coming to interview you soon, all right?
17:35Sinclair, if anyone had dealt with him last Friday,
17:42he looks a lot different.
17:44I'll walk past him and take a double look at him
17:46for a minute going into custody.
17:54When we get these violent people back into custody,
17:57they've been let out once on bail and they've re-offended.
18:01The quicker we gain the evidence,
18:04the quicker we can build a strong case against them,
18:07then the safer the public will be.
18:10Poor girl looks terrified.
18:16They've been waiting to be nicked.
18:18They're just on a spree, aren't they?
18:19So whether she's outside having a cigarette or something,
18:21and they've just accosted her and then marched her back in.
18:23That's the girl, yeah.
18:24She looks terrified.
18:25Yeah, she's been frog-marched in.
18:26Oh, there's a knife there.
18:27Oh, a solid knife.
18:28They found a knife.
18:29Solid knife.
18:30Yeah, there you are.
18:31Yeah, there you are.
18:32There's the...
18:33Oh, it's a big old knife.
18:34Never learned a lesson though, do they?
18:35Yeah, but these are out of control, clearly.
18:36They don't care.
18:37Honestly, scum like this need putting away.
18:38Have they got gloves on?
18:39Both of them.
18:40Yeah.
18:41Both got gloves on.
18:42They're in the latex.
18:43Yeah.
18:44They're in the latex.
18:45Yeah.
18:46Oh.
18:47They've found a knife.
18:48Oh.
18:49They've found a knife.
18:50Saw the knife.
18:51Yeah.
18:52Where are we?
18:53Yeah, there you are.
18:54Oh, it's a big old knife.
18:55Never learned a lesson though, do they?
18:56Yeah, but these are out of control, clearly.
18:57They don't care.
18:58Honestly, scum like this need putting away.
19:01Have they got gloves on?
19:03Both of them?
19:04Yeah.
19:05Both got gloves on.
19:06They're in the latex gloves.
19:09Like merry girls or something.
19:11Yeah, they do.
19:12One looks darker than the other.
19:13Yeah.
19:16It looks like he's cut off a bit of his trousers
19:18and put it over his head.
19:21Because that's why it's hanging over.
19:23Ah, right.
19:30Police have recovered a homemade balaclava
19:33from an alleyway behind the store.
19:35Yeah.
19:36Yeah.
19:37Do you know why you're here?
19:38Yeah.
19:39Yeah?
19:40So, how much alcohol did you have last night then?
19:41Quite a lot?
19:42Yeah, an alcoholic, yeah.
19:43Yeah, are you?
19:44Yeah.
19:45Yeah.
19:46Yeah.
19:47Yeah.
19:48Yeah.
19:49Any drugs at all?
19:50Drugs?
19:51Yeah, a bit of crap.
19:52I don't like it.
19:53If you're not on drugs or anything then you might be alright and you can sleep all day then you can do what you're doing.
20:00But if you're on all, like, if you're on substitutes for drugs and stuff like that then it's not the one man, it's not the one.
20:13I was before on heroin.
20:14Now I'm on heroin.
20:15Now I'm on methlone.
20:16I've cleaned up now, you know what I mean?
20:17Like, I've cleaned up now, you know what I mean?
20:18Like, I've cleaned up now, you know what I mean?
20:19Like, I've sorted it out.
20:20You commit crime because you like doing it?
20:33Well, I have a crime so I've ...
20:39you have to sort it out.
20:44Well other crimes ...
20:50Committed that I'd like doing like joyriding and that other crimes when I got into drugs and that then yeah
20:56There was depended on the money that I was getting out of it
21:00Meaning do you know what I mean?
21:03So that's mostly what it's about
21:07It's where it escalated into other stuff
21:09I'm just about to view the CCTV from the one from Tuesday
21:21Detectives are reviewing all recent robberies to discover if Brimble and Sinclair were involved the guy was wearing this
21:28this mask
21:30They've accessed CCTV from another violent robbery less than 48 hours ago
21:36White gloves. Oh, yeah, I'm the spindle. That's him. He's got the same jogging bottoms on
21:46Brilliant
21:48That should be enough to interview him for both
21:51That's Craig the young lad. He's obviously going around the store doing bits and bobs
21:58Bless him
22:00Craig are you happy for us to have this recorded interview today?
22:09I want you to start literally from the beginning and tell me absolutely everything that you can
22:15It was about half eight
22:18I was facing up as usual just around the tills
22:22And as I was facing up
22:25Someone came behind me
22:27With regular customers sometimes they do joke about and kind of go behind me and say give us all your money at the till
22:42So at first I kind of laughed and thought he was joking
22:46And then that's when he kind of crouched down with the knife and put it round my throat and said no get to the fucking till
22:53I'm not joking
22:59I'm prone to epilepsy
23:01So I had I had to keep calm to keep obviously my heart from racing a lot
23:11He was obviously nervous himself and he was shaking quite a few times. I thought he was gonna stab me
23:18He got away with two hundred and thirty-five pound and 900 pound in cigarettes
23:29It was literally just me on my own for that space of time which kind of upset me and scared me the most
23:38I was just grateful that I didn't get stabbed
23:49Hello
23:50I've got uh wesley
23:54Okay i was further arresting you for another armed robbery on the 18th of this month tuesday
24:00At about between half eight and nine o'clock okay
24:03Where someone was robbed at knife point and money stolen
24:07I've got two addresses
24:23Okay, okay, yeah
24:25Investigating officer gary hails needs conclusive evidence against brimble and sinclair or risks having to let them go
24:33again
24:37He's been granted a warrant to search sinclair's bedsit
24:50Evidence of drug use
24:53Needles lying about
24:56Gary
24:57There's two bags full of needles here. Yeah, I'm gonna stick him in that cupboard for the time being so none of us touch them right
25:03I went to sinclair's flat and I saw that you know
25:06That was a dingy little bedsit and there's not much hope for anyone living there on their own
25:12You just want to use needles up here
25:14There was evidence of drug use there was needles all over the place and but there was also evidence of
25:24Methadone and efforts for him trying to you know to get off of the drugs
25:28But clearly the pool of these class a drugs like heroin and crack is is so great
25:36Oh my days
25:39People live loners
25:43There's a knife in here as well
25:48Is there?
25:48I mean yes it's a kitchen knife and we're in it's got a kitchenette but
25:54That looks like yesterday's one
25:57Yeah
25:58I can't believe I'm going to be dirty washing
26:01That's what you've joined up for isn't it
26:05Gary what would you say um it's only got one hole in it but it's a bottom of a pair of tracksuit bottoms
26:17That's one of the bottoms cut off it isn't it
26:20Yeah
26:20If that's his MO is cutting arms or legs off clothing to use as balaclavas then that's relevant isn't it
26:34That sort of evidence is gold dust
26:37But with the stakes so high you know we need to make sure we've got everything else right
26:43They need to be charged and remanded and sent to prison
26:50Okay
26:58Right yeah ready go let's go go go go the two yellows you know about i think yeah yeah
27:04uh sinclair and the brimble
27:06Came in horrible when they came in last night
27:08They were in four or five days ago weren't they for you
27:10I think it's the same two nine point rubberies yeah
27:13And smashed when they came in
27:16Naughty boys
27:18Detectives are working against the clock to build a case against two men who they suspect have committed a string of increasingly violent knife point robberies
27:33Hello from the police station sorry to bother you
27:38No we're good it's nice and tidy in here so everyone take us long
27:42Wesley brimble has been living with his mum since his release from prison a few weeks ago
27:47After serving seven years for armed robbery if you're saying to me that's the only phone that's here that's here
27:53When i spoke to his mum they're at the end of their tether with him you know they love him to pieces
28:00They were hoping this time when he came out
28:02Mum had bought him a little tablet he's got his own bedroom he's got a tv and everything
28:08He'd go out and he'd walk the dog for her and you know he was seemed to be toeing the line
28:12I think it says more for the lure of drugs and you know how addictive the class a drugs are
28:24But clearly he come from a loving background
28:26It's disappointing the broken promises
28:35Because it is well why don't you just be normal why don't you just stop
28:41But at the end of the day he is still my brother
28:49My first memory i have of wesley was snowing
28:54And we was all building an igloo outside
28:58It's probably the happiest memory i do have with wesley
29:02It was happy once upon a time
29:08Growing up wesley wasn't really around he was always in jail
29:13Like my heart breaks for him because he doesn't know life
29:17Like i'm only 18 and i've probably experienced life more than he ever will
29:23He still does have a lot of love in his heart
29:38So i don't see him as horrible or nasty or violent
29:43Because to me and his family he's always been loving
29:49I'd always be there for him always
29:51Yeah yeah of course
29:52My mum's up there in a minute
29:54You think you want something to do
29:55I've got the first one
29:56You don't always go all your parents are saying do you
30:01It's like your mum telling you to don't go and smoke but you smoke don't you know
30:07You know what i mean it's like
30:10You can't blame your parents everyone says oh it's deep down it's your parents
30:13Oh it's not
30:13It's your own choice isn't it and do what you're doing don't you know
30:21If you're criminally minded you're criminally minded i think you're born like it
30:25Serious the same as if you're gay you know what i mean you're not going to change that
30:31You're born gay ain't you
30:33So what can you do about it
30:38Simple not that i'm gay or anything you know what i mean
30:40I love it into that one
30:56We've got some great evidence from sinclair's bedsit
31:01Oh really where he's cut off the arms and legs of things and then cut holes in the bit that he's cut off
31:06So you're looking forward to this interview yeah always
31:13Got a feeling it's gonna be a long one there i don't mind these boys have got to be remanded didn't they most definitely
31:19Detectives have new evidence but with the suspects yet to be interviewed about it
31:24They are concerned that the clock will run out and they'll have to release brimble and sinclair
31:30Quickly go through we're gonna be cutting it fine yes the secret's gonna have a lot to go through aren't they a hell of a lot to go through
31:36All right ready come up we're good for that
31:51In the corner mate
31:52Are you ready
32:05Have you saved that site for us
32:06This interview is being recorded um visually and audio lee it may be used in evidence if the case is brought to trial
32:19Would you like us to call you andy or andrew andy whatever you want
32:22Can't be
32:23Can't be
32:23Can't be
32:24Can't be
32:29Oh that's squeaking on that that's like scratching the ball didn't it
32:34Oh sorry
32:36It's doing it on purpose
32:39Interviewing is the best part for me
32:42Gary i thought you were a bit of a bit of a bit of torture
32:44If they're being friendly towards us then we will be friendly towards them obviously you've always got to have in the back of your mind
32:52This person as you only a few hours ago held somebody up with a knife we're good to go
33:01I'm thinking i've got my points to prove i'm gonna get you
33:08Okay
33:08The first question i have to ask you andy is the most important one are you guilty of the robbery last night
33:22Are you aware the cctv at the location
33:27This girl
33:30She was obviously a frog march back into the shop and a knife held against her throat and threatened to be stabbed
33:38Are you a violent man
33:40Would you describe yourself as a violent man
33:43Is this usual behavior for you
33:46Or was the fact that you're so desperate for that money for a reason that it drove you to committing this act last night
33:57The one thing that's clear from the cctv is how traumatized the poor young girl
34:03was who was the cashier last night
34:05Did you realize how upset she was was she crying when you were threatening her with a knife
34:16She's grabbed by the neck and was pushed back into the store
34:20Now one was shouting open the till or i'll stab you he was thrusting the knife towards me in a stabbing motion
34:27Did you say that a male too was shouting i'll stab her
34:33She's terrified absolutely terrified
34:44Do you know her no comment why are you manhandling her no comment forcing her back into the shop
34:55I think she felt at this point i'd be terrified
34:58You're shaking your head like it's no comment
35:07Was she crying no comment
35:09What's that knife in the cctv there
35:21See the eml1
35:22That's another i think it's a black handle kitchen knife without a serrated edge
35:32Is that one of yours now where we found this
35:40Found this at the backup store last night
35:48How would you feel somebody pointed that at you
35:51Or threatened to stab you with that no comment
35:54I know i'd be pretty terrified
35:57Can you imagine how that 20 year old female was out last night
36:00Just doing her job just doing an honest day work
36:04And someone comes in and threatens her with a knife
36:07Drags her back into the shop
36:10Why would you do something like that
36:15Who's that
36:19Is he wearing a hat
36:22Or is it balaclava
36:23No comment
36:24Where would you get that from
36:26No comment
36:29Are you cutting up your clothing
36:32Is wesley cutting you up
36:35Who's cutting up your clothes
36:38Because you haven't got many clothes have you
36:41There's very little clothing in your flat at all
36:45Some bastards cutting you up
36:48Or are you simply making balaclavas
36:51To commit robberies
36:54Is that what you're doing
36:57Can you describe to me the clothing that you were wearing when you were arrested
37:02From what i understand you're wearing a pair of black shorts is that correct
37:06These are jogging bottoms that you were wearing
37:12Those shorts that were seized off you when you were in custody last night
37:18Yeah
37:19We've got an officer's statement to say that those shorts exhibit jh2 were seized off you
37:28Last night
37:29And then we have this which has been put underneath jh2 just to show that they come from the same
37:39piece of clothing
37:40Can you see that there's a dink in the middle that matches where they've been cut
37:45Did you cut them
37:46And this cut off here has been turned into a balaclava yeah little holes peep holes in
37:54Did you do that
37:56So you're wearing these shorts that balaclava guess where it was found
38:03The alleyway that runs down the back of last night
38:08Did you make these makeshift balaclavas have you ever seen something like that before
38:17Strange isn't it
38:18The good thing about masks is obviously if you've got them over your head
38:27The dna from your saliva hair follicles all sorts of um evidence can be found inside
38:37a balaclava
38:40Were you desperate did you need the money desperately no comment fund your drug habit no comment
38:45It's not cheap being a heroin addict or a crack addict is it
38:53I think you're a danger and i think you're a danger to to innocent people
38:58Have you got any control over yourself at all
39:04The time by my watch is 2016 and we'll conclude this interview
39:15uh
39:23Suspected armed robbers wesley brimble and andrew sinclair have been in custody for almost 24 hours
39:30It feels very jovial until the tapes went on and it was stantly
39:35No comment
39:36Yeah, we said that
39:37So look at you two grown men
39:39He got paler didn't he i think i think he went on
39:42Detectives must persuade the crown prosecution service to charge
39:46Otherwise their suspects will be released again
39:48That knife for fingerprints and your gloves for the dna you know that'll be that that'll be the end of it
39:56Yeah
39:56Yeah
39:58Yeah
40:05They're gonna remind us in custody on her now
40:07Because it's because it's so serious fencing and the magistrates ain't gonna be able to deal with it
40:16So they're gonna wait for the trial and all that
40:20Do you feel remorse at all?
40:22Yeah in my life of course i do yeah yeah
40:25Yeah
40:27I'm 40 now so i think differently do you know what i mean so
40:31Yeah i don't mean i don't want to like
40:33I wouldn't i wouldn't wish it against anyone do you know what i mean what i've done but
40:39It's happened now so i can't really turn it back so
40:42Do you know what i mean?
40:50I've been signed off for a week
40:53And i've got to go back on thursday to get re-evaluated
40:57Um i think i probably need like at least another week to to get adjusted back to like normal life
41:10I haven't really been any places by myself yet because obviously i haven't had the confidence to do that yet
41:17Because it's kind of like oh whatever i get held up by someone or something like by a knife again it's kind of i don't want to go through that or deal again
41:28You know like i still see things so yeah
41:39Oh
41:55The cps have reviewed the case and conclude there is enough evidence to charge the men with the robberies
42:02words how you doing mate
42:04Gonna be charged three offences
42:05Do you want to hop up just so we can get this thing done please come with me words thank you
42:17Right so you can charge three offences listen to what the officer's got to say please words
42:20You don't have to say anything that may harm your defence if you do not mention now something which you later rely on in court
42:25Anything you do say may be given in evidence
42:27On the 13th of the 8th of 2015 at Luton in the county of Bedfordshire
42:31You robbed of a PDA a mobile telephone his taxi and money of a value unknown and on the 19th of the 8th 2015 you robbed the cigarettes and money to the value unknown
42:43And the last one on the 18th of the 8th 2015 you've robbed the cigarettes and money of the value of
42:50148 pounds contrary to section 8-1 of the theft act 1968
42:54Do you want to make any reply words we've got enough evidence to charge you so that's why we both know
43:00How long I'm going to be looking at for this I don't know let's be honest i'm getting lifed off so
43:05You're going to be in full a while whereas that's one of the reasons why i'm keeping you
43:08Because i suspect if i give you bail you ain't going to turn up a court because of that lengthy custodial sentence
43:12I wouldn't have turned up you could have put me in the tracker
43:14That wouldn't have been an issue
43:17Jails already knows
43:23I think it is just easier for him when he's inside because he can't adapt to outside
43:29He'd never admit it but i do think he gets a bit scared when he's outside of jail
43:33Prison food is not nice
43:35You've got to stay in your cell you
43:37Go into fights and all of that scares me but for some reason it does not scare him
43:41Life outside of jail scares him more than life inside of jail
43:47It's that fear of well how am i going to live my life normal because i've never kind of lived it normal before
43:59Do you prefer to prison i don't know some people do don't they
44:04Do you expect him to go to prison then
44:09Yeah
44:11Hopefully i'll get a judge that's been at a wild party the night before and he just wants to be like yeah that's sweet they're all right
44:17They can just have a couple of years each and that's it done
44:22Which i don't think is going to happen but
44:24Okay
44:27Andrew you're going to be charged with some offences cps have decreed you're going to be charged with two offences here
44:33Okay
44:33On the 13th of the 8th 2015 at Luton in the county of bedfordshire you rob
44:39of a pda mobile telephone taxi and money of a value unknown and on the 19th of the 8th 2015
44:46You rob the cigarettes and money to the value unknown contrary to section 8 of the death act 1968
44:53Do you want to make any reply at all no
44:57My belief is that potentially you will fail to appear at court
45:01You're also a class a drug user and i suspect you'll commit further offences to fund that drug use
45:05So that's why i'm going to keep you here at the police station
45:07And um you know quite easily not been standing there looking so smug right here
45:20So you know what i don't give a fuck
45:26You might better piss me off for a few years earlier until i get back out
45:31And i piss you off again
45:37i live in this community and my family lives in this community you know my my father my brothers
45:45and sisters we all live in this community and if i can lock up some armed robber this
45:50potentially could harm them then bloody well right i will you know and i'll be pleased i've done it
45:56right job well done yeah
46:00of course it's an ongoing fight with us you know we lock up brimble and sinclair and you know the next
46:06week there'll be somebody else and you know we have to carry on that fight and we do carry on that fight
46:27both men pleaded guilty to all the charges against them
46:30andrew sinclair is currently serving seven years
46:45wesley brimble is serving 12 years
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