00:02It's interesting because you're talking about tyrants right and you're talking about people of extreme power and how that corrupts and
00:10in
00:11That case
00:13There's a large percentage of those people that are violating all those things that you said
00:18Because they do manipulate and they do rely on fear. Well, you know Nietzsche
00:25Was an advocate of the will to power, right? So you can imagine that there's a variety of potential
00:30Motivating forces and one would be hedonic pleasure. That's the golden calf worshippers by the way
00:35So that's just short-term hedonism and that doesn't work and by work
00:40I mean it doesn't iterate socially. It's like if it's all about you and what some women you wants now
00:46First of all, that's not going to serve you well tomorrow
00:49And I don't want to be anywhere near you right like you're an over you're literally an overgrown two-year-old
00:54Right, and that gets pretty ugly by the time you're 40 right so the whole golden calf thing now
00:58That's just off the table, but isn't it kind of celebrated amongst certain high achievers particularly in the business world like that hedonistic
01:07Sociopathic drive to constantly get more numbers on the ledger
01:11Yeah, well, I don't I don't know if that's exactly he agreed is good. That's wall. Yeah. Yeah, that's Michael Douglas. Yeah. Yeah, it is good. Yeah, well
01:20Okay, let's delve into that for a minute. Yeah, okay, so
01:24I'm not advocating I know you're not I know you're not
01:28You can turn to hedonism you can fall into nihilism
01:33You can turn to hedonism or you can turn to power
01:36Okay, this Abrahamic Covenant. It's different than power
01:40It's adventure. That's it's romantic adventure. Actually, that's not the only definition of God in the Old Testament
01:45By the way, there's something deeper than than that that it refers to so those are the options now you said
01:53Don't the achievers, you know who are stacking up numbers?
01:56It's like they found a way forward to attain status, but they but they've fixated on
02:03They fixated on an element that shouldn't be fundamental. They're not trying to store up the treasure in heaven
02:10They're trying to store up the treasure on earth, and that's better than not doing it
02:14See this is another thing we need to understand because I've spent a lot of time for example
02:18Trying to figure out why people are attracted to Andrew Tate and I know why they're attracted to Andrew Tate
02:24They'd rather be Andrew Tate than an incel and
02:28They're right
02:29Right. It's best to give the devil is do like if you had to choose between
02:34being kind of flabby and unhealthy and
02:38and resentful and in your basement looking at pornography
02:43hating women because all of them reject you all the time and you deserve it and
02:48you're ineffectual and
02:51the future looks pretty damn gloomy and then you see Andrew Tate who's
02:57tough and
02:59Hyper masculine in an almost manner. That's almost a parody and
03:04wealthy and famous and
03:06And apparently has women as at his disposal with a fair bit of stress on the idea of disposal
03:13You'd think well. I'd much rather be him than me
03:16That's the incorporation of the shadow from the union perspective. It's like yeah, it's right
03:21And you think about the number of men that are incels
03:26the thing about men also if
03:30They get rejected a lot they associate women with pain
03:33Yeah, and then they get angry at those women because those women caused them pain like it's just very simple equation
03:38Of course
03:39That's that's how you get a man hater or excuse me
03:42That's how you get a woman hater and the same could be said for that's how you get a man hater, right?
03:46You associate man with rejection and and cruelty
03:49Well, I meant a man way young men in particular are more likely to be rejected
03:53Young women may have difficulty finding the ideal man, but they don't face the same degree of universal rejection
04:02So it's hard on young men. Well, they're not the pursuers right as much the young women aren't right right well and there and women are the gatekeepers
04:10Fundamentally of sex so that's their that's their essential power. That's also the power of chastity
04:16And that's all scary thing about acquiring wealth is that wealth allows you to bypass the genetic social hierarchy
04:23Yeah, well just I talked to I talked to Russell Brand about this a lot
04:28You know women threw themselves at him
04:31How'd that work out for him not great, you know it threw him into great spiritual confusion
04:37It it was empty and hollow and that's worth knowing to see because you might say to the people who are interested in the shadow figures
04:45And Tate plays that role
04:48the master of women, let's say
04:51Why not do that?
04:53Because you need an answer to that if it's certainly when it's better than being lonely
04:58Isolated bitter and ineffectual that's for sure, right? Well, it's because
05:05You don't confuse a stepping stone with the pinnacle that's why there's way more beyond that. I
05:12I mean you're a tough guy you went through your disciplinary
05:20Processes on the physical side in particular the intellectual side do I might add
05:26You know you've got what Tate has to offer, but you're what you're respectable. Why?
05:31Why? Why a different completely different background than him first of all and also
05:41My feeling in life is
05:47Whenever you can be nice, that's like a general guy nice or good. I mean both okay nice as well
05:55I
05:58Get the posturing I get how it would be attractive to young men
06:03I get it if I was a young man
06:05I would certainly be drawn to him and I was too many fighters and I
06:09Accepted a lot of personality flaws and people that admired as fighters because they were very successful at doing this one
06:16insanely difficult thing right right enough for a
06:18times that
06:20Requires a certain amount of narcissism requires a certain amount of internal focus and be
06:27Ironically enough not at the championship level
06:31Ironically enough it gets you close, but it doesn't get you to be the king
06:35The kings are almost precisely
06:38universally disciplined focused and generally kind
06:42There's some of the nicest people the best at the most
06:46Difficult thing athletically to do and the most difficult you're you're conquering
06:52Why do you think that is I think you have to be why why why not to was how she wrote about this in the book of five rings?
06:59You you must have balance in
07:02Everything in life if you have imbalance you can get pretty far
07:08Because you're so specialized right you're so driven. Yeah, but you will fall prey to the
07:15To the balanced man. Yeah without that. That's exactly that's exactly my you will you will also
07:20recognize
07:22Characteristics in him that you envy and that you wish you had yourself like if you're a narcissist and a sociopath
07:27You know you are and you can't really be proud of yourself
07:31You can't write you don't you don't have the benefit of the positive
07:36Feedback that you get from true kindness to others you don't have we also know that your reputation is founded on sand and
07:42One of the way to rationalize that as well. Everyone does that right? Everyone's like that
07:47Yeah, but then you don't trust or like anyone right right and you're really alone that that's for sure really
07:53Yeah, and then if you do achieve success, it's hollow
07:56Because you realize like so, you know you just outlined there the the progression that Carl Jung identified as characteristic of
08:03Individuation right went with with the second thing that you said so imagine that you start
08:09You start an incel right you're ineffectual and you're rejected as a young man now
08:15There are exceptions, but let's just play that out as the
08:19the unhappy majority, okay now you look for a shadow figure to
08:25Sharpen you up to toughen you up and to make you strive at least along one dimension
08:30Right, and so then you do that. Well, then the next thing that happens in the union
08:37Stage progression is for a man. It's integration of the anima, which is the feminine part and
08:43It's integration. It's not replacement. It's like oh, well, then you discover the utility of empathy and compassion and kindness and mercy and care
08:51Well still being able to deal out justice
08:54Let's say and so then you bridge that gap and then that integration you just said even among fighters
08:59That's what puts them in the highest place
09:01Right, that's right. That's right. So but it's hard for the people
09:06It's hard for those who are completely disaffected and also quite angry about it
09:10You know the people who are interested in the pathway that Tate offers. They're not so unhappy that he's hard on women
09:18because they're pretty mad at women and
09:20So, you know if it's the bitch or me, then I'll pick me, you know, right exactly exactly exactly
09:27and so and it is very crucial to get this progression correct because
09:36Monsters better than wimp
09:38Right, right, but the question is what's better than monster and
09:43So it's very interesting that you made those comments on the fighting side because you wouldn't necessarily think that it would be true in that world as well
09:50Well, one of the best examples is your countryman George St-Pierre
09:53One of the greatest of all time one of the nicest guys I've ever met
09:57And if you didn't know that that that he was one of the greatest fighters of all time, you would never guess it
10:02You'd never guess it talking to him. He's curious. He's interesting. He's intelligent. He's very well read his
10:11He's always interested in different things. He's constantly searching for new information
10:18And as a martial artist hmm, he is still on a quest of improvement even though he's retired from competing always trains
