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00:00The Joe Rogan experience. Let's just get to it because I know it's on people's minds. Epstein, right?
00:07The reason people are pissed off about that is the same same thing right 20 years ago or whenever it was
00:152006 7 8 Epstein gets a sweetheart plea deal right after committing the most horrific crimes on planet earth, right?
00:21I wasn't I wasn't in power there. I wasn't in place there. I you know nothing to do with it
00:26But people were rightfully pissed. I mean this guy was committing the most grotesque ask acts you can't against children and
00:34The media spins up about it many in the media protected him why because of his relationships who he knew who his bankers were
00:41Who his colleagues were who was on the island and stuff like that some pretty powerful human beings
00:46And so when you peel back the the layer and then you and then what happened the Trump administration
00:51The last go-around decided no no, we're not gonna let that go. We're gonna investigate him
00:56Right, they charge and they indict him and he's awaiting trial and
01:03I've said it Dan Bongino said it we've reviewed all the information and the American public is gonna get as much as we can release he killed himself
01:10Do you think let's play out the logical conclusion of this do you think that myself
01:15Bongino and others?
01:18Would participate in hiding information about Epstein's grotesque activities or do you think?
01:24We would also participate in not
01:27Prosecuting people we had evidence to prosecute people on
01:31But the problem is there's been like 15 years of people coming in and creating fictions about this that doesn't exist
01:40Where's the videotape of an Epstein island of X Y & Z committing these frauds?
01:45Why haven't you given it to us? Do you really think I wouldn't give that to you if it existed?
01:50I'm working my ass off along with the leadership at the bureau and DOJ to get you what we're allowed to give you and
01:55You're gonna get the video of the cell and you're gonna see for yourself and we will never be able to convince everyone
02:02Okay, let's let's get into that. So what did you think before you got an office? Did you think that Epstein was murdered?
02:10No, no suspicion at all of it, but I have a different background, right? Right, so I was a public defender back in the day
02:17I used to spend a lot of time in jails and a lot of time in segregated housing units shoes as we call them, right?
02:23and so and I've known
02:27People that have committed suicide in these cells and I know how you get in how you get out who works the system and so the way
02:35Based on public information at the time that he ended up put the pictures and him hanging himself
02:41I was like, yeah, that guy killed himself. It's there's just no way
02:46That you could have run an up and had people go into that cell and not have any video of it and not have any people come out and say
02:54Hey, yeah, I saw that guy. He shouldn't have been there the guard or this guy
02:58There's just no access points into places like this in the detention center
03:02He was in which I've been in so correct me if I'm wrong
03:04But what I was told what I'd read was that the guards were not paying attention or were sleeping
03:11Well, right. Yeah, and in short order, you'll see it
03:15Is that is that correct? Well, it's hard to surmise that from a video right like right where they like, you know
03:20And look do guards does off on the night shift? Yeah, but no one can get in
03:25To the cell and if they had gotten in to the cell you would see it, but we were told that the cameras were down
03:31Well, I don't know who said that but that was that was in the news
03:35We're giving you all the footage we have so why
03:38Why wasn't that released like immediately? Why why did this speculation escalate I think you'd have to ask?
03:48Whoever the Attorney General back then was Bill Barr. Did you ever see do you remember that HBO autopsy show?
03:55Dr. Michael Badden. He's a famous forensic. I don't think a scientist is so
04:00He's a pathologist and he reviewed the case and it was his determination that it was a homicide because of the way his neck was broken
04:09Mm-hmm
04:10What he said was it was indicative of a ligature strangulation and it was because of the positioning on the neck where the marks were that it wasn't indicative of someone hanging by their weight
04:21Which had been higher on the chin and there's a specific break of the bones and the vertebrae that's consistent with someone who is just strangled to death
04:29I haven't seen it. I'll definitely take a look at it because that's part of my job
04:33Yeah, I've seen that the report. Yeah, no, I haven't looked at that. Did you see any what did was there any other autopsy done other than the official one?
04:44Not to my knowledge, but if there was you'll get it and that's what we're doing see if you find that Dr.
04:50Michael Badden thing. No, do you remember that show the HBO show? No pretty cool show
04:54So this guy Dr. Michael Badden he had a long career of catching murderers, you know exhuming bodies finding trace amounts of poisons
05:02Different kinds of things and fight it was a crazy show like all these wild ways
05:06Well, I love watching shows and I spent a lot of time on planes. Yeah, it was an old show
05:09It was a show like from the early 2000s, I believe
05:13But this guy was you know, it's very well respected forensic
05:18Scientist who would analyze these bodies and it was his determination that he was murdered. Yeah, and
05:25My job going back to the core of what I've been doing since I studied Russiagate was to get and is to get everybody the information
05:33When did you get here?
05:35Epstein's autopsy points to homicide
05:38Pathologists hired by brother claims New York City medical examiner strongly disputed the claim that the evidence from the autopsy suggest is strangulation
05:45So let's go to the by the way. This is the New York Times and they never lie
05:50The private pathologist
05:52Dr. Michael Badden said the morning TV show Fox and Friends. Mr. Epstein
05:56Experienced a number of injuries among them a broken bone in his neck that are extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and could occur much more commonly in homicidal
06:05Strangulation. I think the evidence points to homicide rather than suicide to dr. Badden who observed the autopsy done by city officials
06:11Dr. Badden a former New York City medical examinationer and a Fox News contributor said I have not seen in 50 years where that occurred in suicidal hanging case
06:22Findings by dr. Badden were strongly disputed by the city's chief medical examiner dr. Barbara Sampson
06:28Who previously ruled that mr. Epstein's death on August 10th in the Metropolitan Correctional Center was a suicide?
06:33I stand firmly behind our determination of the cause and manner of death in this case dr.
06:38Sampson said in the interview on Wednesday
06:40She added in general fractures of the hyoid bone and cartilage can be seen in suicides and homicides
06:47The hyoid bone is near the Adam's apple
06:50Dr. Sampson also dismissed dr. Badden's contention that the circumstances around mr. Epstein's death suggested other people may have been involved
06:57She said her office had done a complete investigation taken into consideration information gathered by law enforcement in the making in making the determination
07:06So this is a perfect example of going back to my public defender and prosecutor days
07:11This is what we call a war of experts you can always find someone right to come in and say the opposite
07:18Right and I used to do it all the time
07:19I mean I represented some of the worst humans that you can possibly imagine on earth
07:24literally the guys that were trafficking children from Mexico into America and you could put up a
07:31Professional expert to say and this is what's gonna go on forever and my job is not the forever
07:37My job is to get you absolutely everything that we can give you and that's what we're gonna do
07:42When did you become aware of this video that showed that no one had gone in and out of the cell?
07:48Recently, so why was it recent though? I mean if this death was how long ago was this death two years?
07:53A couple
07:552019 my team. Oh really my time flies. So six years
08:02Well again, that's part of what I'm gonna try to answer for you Jeffrey Epstein jail CCTV erased by technical errors
08:09whoopsies
08:12But you see how anybody on the outs I mean this is like a perfect storm yeah for something
08:17Can you pull that article up so we can read what it says Jimmy?
08:20U.S. Prosecutor said the jail mistakenly saved footage from the wrong cell sorry
08:24Epstein a convicted sex offender first tried to kill himself in July last year and hanged himself in jail
08:30Hang on hang on hang on yeah reread that line that he first tried to kill himself in July of last year
08:36Yeah, how much of the American public do you think knows that I didn't know that until right now there you maybe I heard it and forgot that
08:42Did you ever hear Jim? That's why he's on suicide watch I think oh, okay
08:46So a guy himself in jail in August while serving trial on federal sex trafficking charge
08:51He pleaded not guilty to abusing dozens of girls some as young as 14
08:56Soon after Epstein's death in August to the CCC
08:59CCTV cameras outside his cell malfunction and were being examined by the FBI
09:04Found semi-conscious in his prison cell with injuries on his neck on 25 July after this incident is placed on suicide watch
09:11I'm not saying every single camera in the place is working. I'm saying we've got footage and you're getting it. Mm-hmm and
09:18It then you can make up your own mind and
09:21The theories can continue but my job
09:24So you you became aware of this footage recently the ones that we're looking at yeah, right?
09:29Yeah
09:29And so but this is like an article from quite a while ago that was saying that the footage was mistakenly erased look
09:35I mean goes back to the same
09:37Ask the people that were in power then I mean I get it that you want to hold me to account for their actions and no
09:44I'm not you not you not saying that not you that just the public in general and that's okay
09:48What's confusing to everybody today first of all?
09:51It's very confusing because AI can kind of make anything
09:53You know, it's which has got to be a bizarre position for you to be in when you're looking at videos
09:58I mean, I've watched Viking videos look real as fuck, you know, they just make Viking towns
10:03I mean, it's really quite incredible what they're doing now and it accelerates every month
10:09I mean, I talked to Elon about and he said we're blown away literally every week every week. There's some new breakthrough
10:14Like wow, we didn't expect that. Well, I can tell you after having looked at it
10:18This ain't gonna be AI you don't think so you're gonna
10:22It's it's just not great. You know, it's like if it were AI like someone wanted to come in and make it they'd make it better
10:27But why would you make it better when people could you know, you could have ambiguous footage that is
10:34You know, totally generated by a I mean AI can generate blurry images a I can generate night vision a I can generate
10:41Essentially anything that's already existed like really shitty
10:461984 VHS tapes they can do that they can but I'm telling you I'm giving you the tape from the tape
10:53you know, there's
10:55Just like I'm giving you the documents from the vault just like I'm giving you information to Congress on COVID origins or what have you
11:01What we find is what you're getting. Okay, so now say in 2019 missing jail video from the first Jeffrey Epstein so so for the first attempt has been found so
11:12Maybe let's put it into perspective
11:15Jails are not the most efficient best run places. It's not like
11:21Fort Knox. Yeah, no, it's not it's
11:24Yeah, you know, we're working with what we got, right? So and listen, this guy's not the only guy to kill himself in prison
11:31It happens. I don't know how often right all the time
11:35Even if he killed himself in prison. So if he if he was murdered in prison
11:39Crazy, right? Yeah, you could see why very powerful people wouldn't if he was murdered in segregated housing
11:45in isolation after being on suicide watch in a place in a detention center that I've physically been in myself it would be
11:54Fiction it's just in in my experience
11:58That is not doable. It's not doable even for the most powerful and wealthiest people in the world. Yeah
12:03Wouldn't you think though that like if if someone was in a position?
12:10In a position where a guy could release information that could potentially damage the most wealthy people on earth
12:16You would have a concerted effort. That's unprecedented. Sure
12:19You know the resources that we could even possibly comprehend
12:24All pointing towards eliminating this one person that it could be done
12:29But I mean so many people have been implicated right already and some of that information what do they did to Prince Andrew and everybody else is already out there
12:37and so
12:38that's the conspiracy stuff that
12:42Me and Bongino and the folks have to say look we will give you everything we can
12:48And then we will have done our job
12:51Also, if I had a shred me cash Patel had a shred of evidence
12:56The russia gate guy the jan 6 guy the covet origins guy
12:59Had a shred of evidence that this guy was murdered
13:01I would be the first guy to bring this case hard and fast and I would do even doing press conferences every week
13:07On it. Mm-hmm the first guy. That's what I'm asking people to play out to their logical conclusion. I'm not Comey
13:13I'm not McCabe. I'm not the guy that was in the seat before I have a wildly different background
13:17I've been putting out the truth my entire career
13:21Why would I risk all of it on this guy? I believe you can pass the letter. I believe you
13:28I just think that you know the problem is we've been
13:32Fuming on this conspiracy for so long and it we love conspiracies, don't we as a country?
13:38It's so much I mean, you know they make JFK tapes come on like release the documents. We all love them. We love him
13:45We love UFO ones. We love everything. We love the craziest conspiracies. They're exciting
13:49We don't want to hear they tried to kill himself in July and then succeeded in August and
13:54and
13:55Look, I could imagine why the guy wanted to kill himself. He was going to jail for the rest of his fucking life and in jail
14:01Sex offenders for children are not treated. Well, and also by the way, most Americans have it nor should they have you ever spent one minute in segregated housing? No
14:11it's the worst the absolute worst like
14:15You and your background you could probably handle it right like, you know, just in all reality
14:20Most Americans you put them in there for five seconds. They're gonna slam their head against the wall. Literally. They're gonna lose their mind
14:26Yeah, immediately. Yeah, it's that bad
14:28I'm sure I could only imagine and I could only imagine this guy knowing that it's over and what do you want to do? Do you want to?
14:36Yeah, I think who knows who the fuck he's working for let's just put that aside
14:41now if you're working for let's just
14:44We don't have to name names we don't we don't have to speculate if he's working for some
14:51Agency some group some foreign group and they decide to target his family
14:56Because he look he's going to jail for the rest of his life anyway
14:59They decide to target his family if he testifies against them. I could see where I
15:05if I thought that it was like I'm gonna be in jail for the rest of my life or I
15:09tell and my family winds up being killed or
15:14Destroyed or who knows maybe you'd say look the honorable thing is to end it in prison
15:19Honorable cowardly thing cowardly whatever it is like
15:22Also at some point that guy was going back in a gen pop and the one thing I'll tell you about prison systems is the the people they eat our child predator. Yes
15:31And he was gonna get eaten well known. Yeah, and they probably wouldn't have protected him. Yeah
15:38So the narrative has always been that there's video
15:42Mm-hmm now what is the chain of custody do is there evidence that there is video is there?
15:50evidence that it was moved around stored
15:53Protected from people looking at it like you're gonna get all that information like that's literally what we're putting together and
16:00We're gonna give you every single thing we have and can and that's the whole point
16:05We can't fill gaps
16:07By making stuff up and we're not gonna do that and you have to be methodical and we have to be but that's the other thing, right?
16:13we're reviewing
16:14not just the video we're reviewing every you know everything as
16:20Meticulously as we can because that's what we owe the American people. That's our job and
16:26I want to rush to the sticks or the podium and just say hey look what we found right and then be like, oh, sorry
16:30I forgot the four seconds, you know if we miss four seconds, I'll be like, oh well
16:34It's in the four seconds you missed right so I I'm how much can you talk about what you've seen not yet?
16:43Just just what I've told you say you've seen anything
16:46No, that's the point that there's
16:49Nothing in there like in the video you guys would be bored you're talking about the video of the murder or the suicide
16:56But what about the video from the island? Oh, that's it. Sorry. So you're talking about two different. Yes, so sorry. So yeah, so
17:03so
17:05Again, we're gonna give you
17:07Everything we can and people have to remember we're not gonna re-victimize
17:11Women we're not gonna put that shit back out there. It's not happening because then he wins not doing it. You want to hate me for it? Fine
17:18Again, logical play out if there was a video of some guy
17:23Or gal
17:25Committing felonies on an island and i'm in charge
17:29Don't you think you'd see it?
17:32If you have access to it if I have it period if I have it if I have it
17:37so
17:39Where else would it be?
17:41Right if you have it right, but you can't say that you have it
17:45No, we're giving you everything we have so far
17:49Everything we have so far is you guys gone over all the video that's available. Yeah, that's what I'm telling you
17:55That's what takes so much damn time. Right and and is there video from the island?
18:00Not of what you want the the people out there have
18:06Filled the void with can't wait to see X Y or Z right speculation and I'm like
18:11Here's the other thing I've been asking for right openly if you have information on this call us tell us
18:19The best resource we have is the American people in the world right get me the tail numbers get me the flight
18:24You know get me new information and I will run that down
18:27So this narrative might not be accurate that there's video of these guys doing this
18:33Exactly is it possible that the video was taken and destroyed?
18:39Well, you're talking about what decades worth of stuff, right? Remember we have what we have pursuant to lawful
18:46Search warrants and authorities from the case that was done
18:51However many years ago was done. That's what we have if other people have other stuff and they want to give it to us
18:55bring it have you guys reviewed everything that you have almost like bird that's I mean yes
19:02We have and now we're figuring out how to
19:06Right put it out since we were talking about fake news
19:09This is gonna come up because it's been going on since we've been recording here
19:14Elon and Trump seem to be in a bit of a spat Joe when check the tweet that Elon just put out a little bit ago
19:20Time to drop the really big bomb. Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That's the real reason. They have not been made public
19:26Have a nice day. Jesus Christ
19:29I'm not participating in any of that conversation
19:32What is he have a nice day?
19:34DGD someone should dig his phone away. They're going back and forth about different things. Yeah, listen
19:39He said he was disappointed in Elon
19:41Yeah, it's one to leave. Jesus Christ. That's a crazy thing to say
19:44How does he know does he know that Donald Trump is in the Epstein files or does he have access to the I'm just I don't know how he would
19:51But I'm just staying out of the Trump Elon thing. That's way outside my lane. What the fuck are they doing?
19:55I know my lane and that ain't it. I just don't I
19:59Mean I understand he owns Twitter. I think it's bad for your mental health
20:03I think posting things public all day and arguing with people all day is bad for you
20:08Well, you raise a great point. Sorry to cut you off good
20:11Half of what we have to respond to are is the click army on social media
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