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00:00:00I don't know the location of your emergency.

00:00:11Hi, something is happening.

00:00:12Something's happening in our house.

00:00:14We don't know what.

00:00:15What is the address of the emergency?

00:00:191-1-2-2.

00:00:21Okay, road.

00:00:30Hello, is she breathing?

00:00:34No.

00:00:38The community of Moscow was frightened for weeks after college roommates Kaylee Gonsalves,

00:00:44Madison Mogan, Zanna Karnodal, and her boyfriend, Ethan Chapin,

00:00:48were brutally stabbed to death in their home off campus.

00:00:52I just remember, like, I fell to the ground and, like, let out a scream by my parents.

00:00:55Like, what? Like, what's happening?

00:00:57I mean, when I told them, I mean, they're like, no.

00:01:02That's the last thing you ever think is going to happen to your friends.

00:01:05I was so angry, and I would ask, you know, why did this happen to them?

00:01:10We miss them more than we could ever say.

00:01:15The world is a darker place without them,

00:01:19but the light of their love and memories will always guide us all.

00:01:27Last night, detectives arrested Brian Christopher Koberger.

00:01:34Did Brian Koberger, the criminology student, set off to commit the perfect crime?

00:01:41Is Brian Koberger a serial killer?

00:01:43Or someone angry at women?

00:01:45Why don't you want to appear on camera?

00:01:49I'm afraid of Brian Koberger.

00:01:51You have his DNA that was left behind.

00:01:55He's either guilty of murder or the unluckiest man in America.

00:02:00But there's not one piece of evidence that places Brian Koberger definitively at King Road at the time of the murders.

00:02:08Could somebody else be responsible for these murders?

00:02:11Nothing will ever be the same.

00:02:19Kaylee will never be back.

00:02:21Maddie, Zanna, Ethan, he'll never be back here.

00:02:25Once trial is here, you need to know for certain that they have the right guy, right?

00:02:32You want us to be the right guy.

00:02:34You want us to be the right guy.

00:03:04Welcome to the Light Up the Night Parade.

00:03:23It's the time of the year when the days get short and it gets darker and darker.

00:03:28So here in Moscow, we'd like to light it up a little bit.

00:03:32Three, two, one.

00:03:36Christmas that year was just hard.

00:03:47I mean, obviously, something terrible had happened.

00:03:52We were all just in shock.

00:03:55There was just a lot of feeling of emptiness.

00:03:59Like something was missing.

00:04:08Assign seats.

00:04:10Miss teaching.

00:04:16Friends interview.

00:04:17Take one common mark.

00:04:18This is the first time that we've done this.

00:04:28And we just hope that people can get a better idea of who Maddie, Kaylee, Zanna, and Ethan were as people.

00:04:37And the lives that they had and honoring them in the best way that we can and talking about the memories we had.

00:04:42King Road, the house, it was big.

00:04:48I remember Maddie, I would say, it's like a Barbie dream house.

00:04:52I remember her saying that.

00:04:53Yeah.

00:04:54She got Kaylee and Zanna and her other best friends to move in there, all living together.

00:05:00Ethan didn't live in that house, but he was there the whole time.

00:05:05He was just hanging out with all of us girls.

00:05:07It worked out.

00:05:09Yeah.

00:05:09We all loved that house.

00:05:11It was the best house.

00:05:12We had the best times together.

00:05:13We had a few slow weeks.

00:05:15We were always dancing and just, you know, playing games and stuff.

00:05:20Maddie, Kaylee, and Ethan, and Zanna, there was no one that didn't like them.

00:05:25They were truly the nicest people that I could think of.

00:05:29I think when it first happened, I'm sorry, I'm not going to cry, we got texts from people that they were just confused that they saw police cars outside the house.

00:05:50We'd gotten a vandal alert and it had said homicide on King Road.

00:05:54I just swiped away.

00:05:56I was like, I didn't think anything of it.

00:05:58We got another alert and then our friends, basically, Maddie's boyfriend, had told me.

00:06:10Yeah.

00:06:11It's okay.

00:06:16It confirmed how many at that point because we had been hearing rumors all day.

00:06:21Yeah.

00:06:22You know, that's the last thing you ever think is going to happen to you.

00:06:25Yeah.

00:06:26Yeah.

00:06:28On the morning of November 13th, outside the University of Idaho, everything was totally quiet.

00:06:43All the hectic activity of a Saturday night is over.

00:06:49The streets are sort of empty.

00:06:51The students were still sleeping in.

00:06:53There was a 911 call placed from 1122 King Road, and it was placed regarding an unconscious person.

00:07:05What is the address of the emergency?

00:07:12What is the address of the emergency?

00:07:171122.

00:07:21Um, one of our, one of the roommates has passed out.

00:07:25No.

00:07:26She's not going wrong.

00:07:29She's not waking up.

00:07:31Yes.

00:07:33Hello?

00:07:34Is she breathing?

00:07:36No.

00:07:37Okay.

00:07:42When police walk into the house, nothing looks out of the ordinary.

00:07:48Then the officers walk up to the second floor.

00:07:55They make their way to a bedroom,

00:07:58and they find Zanna Karnodal and Ethan Chapin covered in blood.

00:08:06The police then go up to the third floor,

00:08:10and they find an empty bedroom and a dog inside.

00:08:15Then across the hallway, in another bedroom,

00:08:20the officers find Maddie Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalves.

00:08:25It appears that these girls have been brutally stabbed to death.

00:08:33There was no forced entry.

00:08:35There was nothing reported missing.

00:08:37There was no murder weapon.

00:08:40One thing that was really surprising

00:08:42is that they didn't find any signs

00:08:44that any of the women had been sexually assaulted.

00:08:48There was so much blood in this house

00:08:50that it leaked out of the foundation of the house

00:08:53and ran in rivulets on the side of the house.

00:08:58After the murders happened,

00:09:00we didn't leave each other's side.

00:09:02We spent the night together.

00:09:03We didn't want to be alone.

00:09:05I think we were just questioning everything.

00:09:08We were just trying to figure out who did this.

00:09:10Yeah, who could possibly do something so here?

00:09:13Yeah.

00:09:13So it was hard because no one had answers.

00:09:17I was so angry, and I would ask, you know,

00:09:19why did this happen to them?

00:09:21Why would someone do something like this?

00:09:24How did this happen?

00:09:25Moscow, Idaho, is a very pretty place.

00:09:45It has between 25,000 and 30,000 people,

00:09:50and it's located in the northwest corner of the state,

00:09:54very close to Washington state.

00:10:03Moscow is the definition of a college town.

00:10:06A lot of people go out to the bars.

00:10:08A lot of students, they all know each other,

00:10:10and that really adds to the tight-knit community.

00:10:12After the murders happened,

00:10:19no one knew what was happening.

00:10:21It was so confusing and unknown,

00:10:24and everyone was scared.

00:10:26We were still just in shock.

00:10:29I mean, I could only imagine

00:10:30how their families were feeling.

00:10:32And Maddie was an only child,

00:10:34so, like, Maddie was their absolute pride and joy.

00:10:38Watching her grow and mature

00:10:42and to the amazing woman she'd become

00:10:44is truly priceless in our hearts.

00:10:48She was the world to us.

00:10:50Maddie was just, like,

00:10:52one of the most real people that I've ever met.

00:10:54So kind, so generous.

00:10:57She was 21.

00:10:59She had one class left in the spring.

00:11:01She was nearly done.

00:11:03And she was very smart.

00:11:05I think she had 4.0s.

00:11:06Maddie was always very responsible.

00:11:09I mean, she would give me advice.

00:11:12Maddie's boyfriend definitely chased Maddie.

00:11:15And she liked it that way.

00:11:17Yeah, she loved it.

00:11:18And he eventually got her, so...

00:11:20Yeah.

00:11:20They loved each other so much,

00:11:22and you could tell they both just...

00:11:24They were meant to be.

00:11:25Yeah.

00:11:26Maddie was my best friend.

00:11:30She was the first person I talked to every morning

00:11:33and the last person I talked to before bed.

00:11:37One of my favorite memories is when she turned 21.

00:11:39She was just so excited.

00:11:41She was so happy.

00:11:42She had her sparkly sequined dress on.

00:11:44She made everyone wear pink.

00:11:45Yeah.

00:11:46Yeah.

00:11:47Maddie turned 21, and then Kaylee.

00:11:49Their birthdays weren't far apart.

00:11:50Kaylee is a huge part of our family.

00:11:57The dynamics of the family will never be the same.

00:12:01Kaylee was definitely fiery.

00:12:04She was sassy.

00:12:05My favorite memory, we went boating all day.

00:12:10It was just like the perfect evening,

00:12:12and the sun was setting.

00:12:13We were just on the boat.

00:12:13We were having drinks, listening to music.

00:12:16And I just remember Kaylee looked at me.

00:12:18She's like, life couldn't be any better, could it?

00:12:21She was just a very glass-half-full person.

00:12:31New details on the brutal murders

00:12:33of the four University of Idaho students

00:12:34found stabbed to death this weekend.

00:12:37Police believe two more roommates were home

00:12:38at the time of the killing.

00:12:40Investigators say the two surviving roommates

00:12:42have been very cooperative with police.

00:12:45There were two roommates who survived.

00:12:48Dylan Mortensen and Bethany Funk.

00:12:52Dylan Mortensen, her bedroom, is on the second floor,

00:12:55and it's on the same floor as Zanna Kurnodal's bedroom.

00:13:02On the night of the killings,

00:13:06Dylan Mortensen is awakened from her sleep.

00:13:10She hears noises upstairs.

00:13:12The theory is that the individual

00:13:16that entered this house

00:13:18went through the sliding glass doors

00:13:20adjacent to the kitchen.

00:13:22Those doors were regularly left unlocked.

00:13:26He walks up the narrow staircase

00:13:29to the third floor,

00:13:31and he goes into Maddie's bedroom.

00:13:34Dylan was able to hear Kaylee's dog.

00:13:42Dylan also hears a voice say,

00:13:44there's somebody here.

00:13:47But she doesn't see anything.

00:13:50This individual proceeds to Ethan and Zanna

00:13:58on the second floor.

00:14:01In her bedroom,

00:14:03Zanna was on TikTok.

00:14:07She was awake.

00:14:10Dylan says she hears crying

00:14:12coming from Zanna's bedroom.

00:14:14And a male voice say,

00:14:17it's okay, I'm here to help you.

00:14:20Here we have a killer

00:14:22who is massaging the moment

00:14:25to try to gain the trust of their victim

00:14:28even seconds before he's going to commit murder.

00:14:34Dylan opens her door for a third time

00:14:37and sees a man walking

00:14:40from the direction of Zanna's bedroom,

00:14:43walking past her door.

00:14:45He was dressed in black,

00:14:47with a black mask,

00:14:48about 5'10 to 6' feet,

00:14:51athletic build,

00:14:52and he had, she said,

00:14:54bushy eyebrows.

00:14:56And she's locked in this frozen state of fear.

00:15:01She just stands there,

00:15:03and then she retreats back to her bedroom.

00:15:07The killer then continues on

00:15:11through the sliding door

00:15:13that led to the back porch.

00:15:15The million-dollar question,

00:15:16I think for many,

00:15:17is why did Dylan Mortensen survive?

00:15:21If she had spoken,

00:15:23I think she would have been another victim.

00:15:26Bethany Funk,

00:15:28the other surviving roommate,

00:15:30was on the first floor,

00:15:31and what she did

00:15:33or did not see or hear,

00:15:36we don't know.

00:15:37The court's issued

00:15:38a pretty broad gag order,

00:15:40so there's going to be

00:15:41a lot of information

00:15:42that remains to be seen

00:15:43until the time of trial.

00:15:45What we do know now

00:15:47is that Dylan and Bethany

00:15:50were frantically texting each other

00:15:52and trying to reach the victims.

00:15:54The next morning,

00:16:18there's still no answer.

00:16:20Some time after that,

00:16:26one of the young women

00:16:27called one of the fraternity brothers nearby,

00:16:31and then around 11.58

00:16:33is when the 911 call was placed.

00:16:38Knowing that Zanna was on TikTok

00:16:40at 4.12 a.m.,

00:16:42the police determined

00:16:43that the murders occurred

00:16:46sometime between 4 a.m.

00:16:47and 4.25 a.m.

00:16:50Hi, my name is Zanna Cronodal.

00:16:53I'm a marketing major

00:16:54here at the University of Idaho.

00:16:56This is actually King Street,

00:16:58where I've lived the past two years,

00:17:00and I really like just

00:17:02hanging out with my friends

00:17:04all the time

00:17:04and being super involved

00:17:06in school events

00:17:09and everything else.

00:17:10Zanna had a very free spirit.

00:17:16Yeah.

00:17:17Goofy, funny, silly.

00:17:19She did whatever she wanted

00:17:21and she didn't care

00:17:21what people thought about her.

00:17:23She changed not only our lives,

00:17:26but everybody else's

00:17:27because she made everyone

00:17:28feel like they were welcome.

00:17:30Zanna, you will not be forgotten.

00:17:32You have impacted so many lives

00:17:34and have given people so much love.

00:17:36I hope I can make you proud

00:17:37and try to leave an impact

00:17:38on this world

00:17:39and on people like you did.

00:17:42Zanna is kind of a wild child,

00:17:44and Ethan was more

00:17:45of a calm presence,

00:17:46so they evened each other out.

00:17:48They were very, like,

00:17:49yin and yang.

00:17:50She loved him so much.

00:17:51Yeah, she did.

00:17:52Yeah.

00:17:53Yeah.

00:17:53I'm Ethan's mom.

00:17:57I'm here tonight.

00:17:58His brother Hunter

00:17:59and his sister Maisie.

00:18:02I think you knew

00:18:02he was a triplet.

00:18:03We are eternally grateful

00:18:06that we spent

00:18:07so much time with him

00:18:09because time is precious

00:18:11and it's something

00:18:12you can't get back.

00:18:14Anybody that talks about him

00:18:17would say that Ethan

00:18:18was just the nicest guy.

00:18:20He was very fun-loving

00:18:22and he liked to have a good time.

00:18:25He was definitely involved

00:18:26in Sigma Chi sports

00:18:29and activities.

00:18:30Oh, my God.

00:18:30That's rough.

00:18:31Zanna, Ethan,

00:18:34Maddie, and Kaylee

00:18:34were just starting their lives,

00:18:37just about to be out of college,

00:18:39starting careers.

00:18:40They all had a lot

00:18:41to look forward to.

00:18:42Yeah.

00:18:48In Moscow,

00:18:49there hadn't been a murder

00:18:51for seven years.

00:18:53This was a very safe,

00:18:55small, sleepy little town.

00:18:57People who are able

00:19:01to massacre

00:19:02for people

00:19:04have no empathy,

00:19:07period.

00:19:09And that is

00:19:11one of the traits

00:19:11that you look for

00:19:13in a serial killer.

00:19:16A killer

00:19:17that could commit

00:19:19these four crimes,

00:19:20could commit crimes

00:19:21in the future,

00:19:22could be a serial killer.

00:19:25based on details of the scene,

00:19:45we believe this was

00:19:46an isolated,

00:19:47targeted attack

00:19:48on our victims.

00:19:50We do not have

00:19:50a suspect at this time,

00:19:52and that individual

00:19:53is still out there.

00:19:55We cannot say

00:19:56that there's no threat

00:19:57to the community.

00:19:58Be aware of your surroundings

00:19:59at all times.

00:20:02When the murders

00:20:02first occurred,

00:20:04no one knew

00:20:05what was happening.

00:20:06And since nothing

00:20:07made sense,

00:20:08everything seemed possible.

00:20:10That there was

00:20:11a madman on the loose.

00:20:12Would he go into the town?

00:20:14Was he just aiming

00:20:15at the students?

00:20:1622, 31, 22...

00:20:16Investigators

00:20:18were trying to look

00:20:19for a rhyme or reason.

00:20:20Why were these

00:20:21four young people killed?

00:20:23Were they targeted?

00:20:26The one piece

00:20:27of concrete evidence

00:20:28the police had

00:20:29early on in the case

00:20:30was a knife sheath.

00:20:33There was a knife sheath

00:20:35found alongside

00:20:37Matty Mogan's body

00:20:38in the bed.

00:20:40The knife sheath

00:20:41was for a K-bar knife.

00:20:44This isn't a little pocket knife,

00:20:46a little kitchen knife

00:20:47or a steak knife.

00:20:48This is actually

00:20:49a K-bar knife.

00:20:51This knife,

00:20:52the murder weapon,

00:20:53was never found.

00:20:55It's emblazoned

00:20:56with the term K-bar,

00:20:57which actually originates

00:20:58from the term

00:20:59killed a bear.

00:21:01USMC is emblazoned

00:21:02right here.

00:21:03This is

00:21:04United States Marine Corps.

00:21:06This is a combat knife.

00:21:08So,

00:21:08when this thing

00:21:09is unsheathed,

00:21:11you can get an idea

00:21:15the size of this thing.

00:21:16The edge was so sharp

00:21:18I could have sliced

00:21:19my finger off,

00:21:20just taken out of a box.

00:21:21I could have shaved with it.

00:21:23That's how sharp it is.

00:21:25And investigators

00:21:26sent out the sheath

00:21:27to the Idaho State

00:21:29Crime Lab

00:21:30to look for DNA deposition

00:21:32or fingerprints.

00:21:33It's been reported

00:21:40that the killer

00:21:41went to

00:21:42Madison Mogan's

00:21:43room first.

00:21:45The knife sheath

00:21:46was found

00:21:46in her room,

00:21:47so logically,

00:21:48you may think

00:21:49that the killer

00:21:49unsheathed his knife

00:21:50and then started

00:21:51committing the crime.

00:21:55I think that

00:21:56this is a grand

00:21:56indication

00:21:57that

00:21:58one

00:21:59of the two

00:22:00young ladies

00:22:01in that room

00:22:02was in fact

00:22:03a target.

00:22:04According to

00:22:06Kaylee's father,

00:22:07her wounds

00:22:08were particularly

00:22:10vicious.

00:22:12She was cut

00:22:12more severely

00:22:14than Maddie Mogan.

00:22:15And if you look

00:22:16at that,

00:22:16you may say,

00:22:17was Kaylee targeted?

00:22:18Or was Maddie

00:22:25the target

00:22:26and he didn't

00:22:28expect Kaylee

00:22:29to be there?

00:22:31Kaylee

00:22:31hadn't even

00:22:31been living there.

00:22:33She had gone

00:22:33back for the weekend

00:22:34to show off

00:22:35her Range Rover

00:22:36and to hang out

00:22:37with her friends.

00:22:39Maddie

00:22:39kept her pink

00:22:41cowboy boots

00:22:41in the window

00:22:42of her room.

00:22:43That was a way

00:22:44of identifying

00:22:45which room

00:22:46was hers.

00:22:46Was he

00:22:49hanging out

00:22:50peeking

00:22:50into her windows?

00:22:53There are

00:22:53apartment houses

00:22:54nearby,

00:22:55so there are

00:22:56many students

00:22:57living in

00:22:58the neighborhood.

00:23:01It's very risky

00:23:02for someone

00:23:03to walk into

00:23:04an environment

00:23:04like this.

00:23:07They would have

00:23:08to know the layout

00:23:09and where

00:23:11they're going

00:23:11to attack.

00:23:14A killer

00:23:15may go in

00:23:16targeting one

00:23:16person.

00:23:17When they reach

00:23:19the location,

00:23:20they see

00:23:20other people.

00:23:23Then one

00:23:24victim becomes

00:23:24many.

00:23:26If it was

00:23:27just one of

00:23:27them,

00:23:28were the

00:23:28other's

00:23:29collateral

00:23:29damage?

00:23:35So right

00:23:35now,

00:23:36we are at

00:23:37the home

00:23:37where four

00:23:38students from

00:23:39the University

00:23:39of Idaho

00:23:40were brutally

00:23:42slain.

00:23:42this is a

00:23:44place that

00:23:45many people

00:23:46had good

00:23:47memories,

00:23:48fun times.

00:23:51I'm a

00:23:52journalist.

00:23:53I primarily

00:23:54work making

00:23:56true crime

00:23:56videos.

00:23:58When the

00:23:59murders occurred,

00:24:01I was just

00:24:01floored by the

00:24:03manner of how

00:24:03it happened.

00:24:04It was so

00:24:05shocking.

00:24:06After Kaylee

00:24:07was murdered,

00:24:09the

00:24:09Gonzalves family

00:24:10reached out to

00:24:10me because

00:24:11Kaylee was

00:24:12following me on

00:24:13TikTok.

00:24:14She had watched

00:24:15my videos and

00:24:16they felt that

00:24:17connection through

00:24:18her.

00:24:18I hate having

00:24:23her the

00:24:24day-to-deaf

00:24:25home there.

00:24:26They invited me

00:24:27to their home

00:24:28to do a

00:24:29documentary with

00:24:30them.

00:24:32Gosh,

00:24:33it would have

00:24:33been just an

00:24:34amazing citizen

00:24:35for our country.

00:24:36The person that

00:24:37would show

00:24:38everyone, like,

00:24:39you can come

00:24:40from anything

00:24:41and do anything

00:24:41and just work

00:24:42hard and be

00:24:44a success,

00:24:45and that's

00:24:46such a good

00:24:48positive

00:24:48message.

00:24:49We lost

00:24:51that, you

00:24:52know, and

00:24:52that's really

00:24:53hard for us.

00:24:55After meeting

00:24:56a few times,

00:24:58I developed

00:24:59a friendship

00:25:00with Kaylee's

00:25:00brother, Stephen.

00:25:14Do you want

00:25:14to skip a rock?

00:25:16You want

00:25:17to make it a

00:25:17competition?

00:25:18Yeah.

00:25:19Yeah,

00:25:19I think the

00:25:20last time I

00:25:21did this,

00:25:21I was, like,

00:25:23maybe 12

00:25:24years old.

00:25:24I've got to

00:25:25find a rock

00:25:25that's worthy.

00:25:28I found the

00:25:28perfect one.

00:25:30Yeah, you

00:25:30took the only

00:25:30perfect one.

00:25:36Let me see

00:25:36if I can do it

00:25:37with this

00:25:38hand.

00:25:39Ah, no.

00:25:39Whoa, we've got

00:25:40to work on that.

00:25:41I know a guy.

00:25:42Fail.

00:25:44Fail.

00:25:45This one's

00:25:46perfect.

00:25:46Here, you

00:25:47take this one.

00:25:48This one's

00:25:49perfect.

00:25:50Okay, I'll

00:25:50do it at the

00:25:50same time.

00:25:51Okay.

00:25:52All right, one,

00:25:53two, three.

00:25:56Both fail.

00:25:58Both fail.

00:25:59All right, maybe

00:26:00this isn't my

00:26:00profession.

00:26:02Leave it to the

00:26:03kids.

00:26:04How would you

00:26:04describe Kaylee?

00:26:06What was her

00:26:06personality like?

00:26:08It's kind of

00:26:08hard to just put

00:26:09one thing on a

00:26:10question like that.

00:26:13Kaylee, she was

00:26:14very social, but

00:26:16she was very

00:26:17driven.

00:26:19Kaylee was going

00:26:20to move to

00:26:20Texas.

00:26:21She was going

00:26:22to do something

00:26:22IT.

00:26:23It was definitely

00:26:24out of her

00:26:25wheelhouse, but

00:26:26she nailed the

00:26:27interview.

00:26:28If she wasn't

00:26:29good at something,

00:26:29she became good

00:26:30at it.

00:26:32Kaylee and

00:26:33Maddie, they

00:26:34grew up together

00:26:34in Coeur d'Alene.

00:26:36They went to

00:26:36the same school

00:26:37in sixth grade.

00:26:39Kaylee was

00:26:39definitely the

00:26:40one to kind

00:26:41of push the

00:26:41envelope, and

00:26:42Maddie was

00:26:42the one to

00:26:43reel it back

00:26:44in and keep

00:26:45them level.

00:26:47They were

00:26:47definitely planning

00:26:48on going to

00:26:49the same school

00:26:49to the

00:26:50University of

00:26:51Idaho.

00:26:52They were

00:26:53just best

00:26:54friends.

00:27:01I remember

00:27:02I was at

00:27:02my parents'

00:27:03house.

00:27:03We were

00:27:05watching the

00:27:06Raiders

00:27:06game, and

00:27:07my mom

00:27:08gets a

00:27:08call, and

00:27:09she's

00:27:09immediately

00:27:09frantic.

00:27:12It was

00:27:12my cousin,

00:27:14and she

00:27:14said something

00:27:15bad had

00:27:15happened to

00:27:17specifically

00:27:17Kaylee.

00:27:19I was

00:27:20calling the

00:27:21hospitals, and

00:27:22we didn't

00:27:23know anything

00:27:24until the

00:27:24sheriff showed

00:27:25up.

00:27:26So it was

00:27:26seven hours,

00:27:27eight hours of

00:27:28wondering.

00:27:31Then he had

00:27:31confirmed that

00:27:32Kaylee was

00:27:32gone, and

00:27:34that there

00:27:35was four

00:27:35victims.

00:27:37My mom

00:27:37asked if

00:27:38Maddie was

00:27:38one as

00:27:39well, and

00:27:40he confirmed

00:27:40that, too.

00:27:45I don't even

00:27:46know if I've

00:27:46really accepted

00:27:47anything that's

00:27:47happened yet.

00:27:49I still see

00:27:50people out in

00:27:51public that have

00:27:51Kaylee's

00:27:52hairstyle, and

00:27:52I think, you

00:27:53know, that,

00:27:54oh, Kaylee's

00:27:55here, and it

00:27:56takes a second

00:27:56to snap out

00:27:57of that.

00:28:00There's no

00:28:00closure.

00:28:01As of now, I

00:28:05don't even

00:28:05think I've

00:28:05begun the

00:28:07griefing or

00:28:07the mourning

00:28:08process.

00:28:10But it'll

00:28:11be a step in

00:28:12the right

00:28:12direction once

00:28:13the person

00:28:14responsible for

00:28:15these crimes

00:28:15is properly

00:28:17incarcerated.

00:28:18Mm-hmm.

00:28:19after the

00:28:30killings, one

00:28:32of the first

00:28:32steps law

00:28:33enforcement took

00:28:34is they

00:28:34canvassed the

00:28:35neighborhood for

00:28:36video cameras,

00:28:38ring cameras,

00:28:38and the

00:28:40investigators spot a

00:28:42vehicle operating

00:28:44in a suspicious

00:28:44manner the night

00:28:45of the killings.

00:28:46And that

00:28:47vehicle is

00:28:47identified as

00:28:48a 2011 to

00:28:492016 white

00:28:51Hyundai Elantra.

00:28:53There was not

00:28:54a front license

00:28:55plate on this

00:28:56vehicle.

00:28:57This is

00:28:58potentially the

00:28:59first significant

00:29:00piece of evidence

00:29:01they've released

00:29:02publicly so far in

00:29:03their effort to

00:29:04solve this case.

00:29:05The police

00:29:11collected

00:29:11surveillance

00:29:12footage of

00:29:13the white

00:29:13Elantra making

00:29:14three different

00:29:15passes past

00:29:17the house on

00:29:18King Road.

00:29:19And it's pretty

00:29:21suspicious to

00:29:21them.

00:29:32The white

00:29:33Elantra is

00:29:34seen in

00:29:35attempting to

00:29:35make a turn

00:29:36in front of

00:29:37the residence

00:29:37or park

00:29:38in front of

00:29:38the residence.

00:29:46And then

00:29:47it is seen

00:29:48speeding out

00:29:49of King Road.

00:29:58It's not a

00:29:59high traffic area.

00:30:01That caught

00:30:02the attention

00:30:02of investigators.

00:30:05police reveal

00:30:06they are

00:30:06combing through

00:30:0722,000 cars

00:30:08that match

00:30:09the search

00:30:09criteria of

00:30:10the one

00:30:10they're looking

00:30:11for.

00:30:11They're asking

00:30:12anyone with

00:30:13information about

00:30:13the car or

00:30:14who was driving

00:30:15it to call

00:30:16their tip line.

00:30:17A couple of weeks

00:30:33after the murders,

00:30:34an officer is

00:30:36surveilling vehicles

00:30:37on the campus

00:30:39of Washington State

00:30:40University.

00:30:41Washington State

00:30:47University is about

00:30:50a 10-minute drive

00:30:51from the

00:30:53University of

00:30:53Idaho.

00:30:58All of a sudden,

00:30:58the officer spots a

00:31:00white 2015 Hyundai

00:31:02Elantra.

00:31:03This car was

00:31:04registered out of

00:31:05Pennsylvania.

00:31:06it didn't have a

00:31:08front plate.

00:31:10Pennsylvania doesn't

00:31:11require a front

00:31:12license plate.

00:31:14The officer

00:31:15identifies the

00:31:16owner as Brian

00:31:18Kohlberger of

00:31:19Pennsylvania.

00:31:19The description

00:31:22on the license

00:31:23fit the individual

00:31:24that Dylan

00:31:25Mortensen saw

00:31:26that night.

00:31:27He's tall,

00:31:29athletically built,

00:31:31and he's got

00:31:32bushy eyebrows.

00:31:32But Brian Kohlberger

00:31:35has no history

00:31:36of violence

00:31:37whatsoever

00:31:38or criminal

00:31:38convictions.

00:31:40Potentially,

00:31:41law enforcement

00:31:42had a tunnel vision

00:31:43on Brian Kohlberger.

00:31:46If you look

00:31:47at that

00:31:47Hyundai Elantra,

00:31:49there were

00:31:50thousands of

00:31:51potential owners

00:31:52and vehicles

00:31:54matching that

00:31:54description in the

00:31:55area.

00:31:57Did they look

00:31:59into those

00:31:59other people?

00:32:01Or did they

00:32:02focus on

00:32:02an individual

00:32:03so strongly

00:32:05that the

00:32:07mere suggestion

00:32:07that some

00:32:08other alternative

00:32:09is possible

00:32:11doesn't get

00:32:12investigated,

00:32:13doesn't get

00:32:13looked into?

00:32:15We don't know.

00:32:32Brian starts

00:32:33off at

00:32:34Washington State

00:32:34University.

00:32:36He's a 28-year-old

00:32:38graduate student

00:32:39in criminology.

00:32:41He's a teaching

00:32:42assistant,

00:32:43which means that

00:32:43not only is he

00:32:45going for his own

00:32:45degree,

00:32:46for his doctorate,

00:32:47but he also has

00:32:48a responsibility

00:32:49to teach younger

00:32:51students undergraduates.

00:32:53The graduate

00:32:54department in criminology

00:32:55is very well

00:32:56respected.

00:32:57Brian Kohlberger is

00:32:58on this ladder

00:32:59of climbing,

00:33:00of social mobility.

00:33:05I knew

00:33:06Brian Kohlberger

00:33:06when I was a

00:33:07freshman at

00:33:08Washington State

00:33:08University.

00:33:10Brian was my

00:33:11teacher's assistant

00:33:12for my criminal

00:33:13justice class.

00:33:15Why don't you

00:33:16want to appear

00:33:16on camera?

00:33:18Because I'm

00:33:20afraid of

00:33:20Brian Kohlberger.

00:33:21The things that

00:33:22he's allegedly

00:33:23accused of are

00:33:24extremely scary,

00:33:26especially for

00:33:27me being a

00:33:29woman.

00:33:30It was my

00:33:31first day of

00:33:31class.

00:33:32He looked a

00:33:33little scary

00:33:33with sunken

00:33:34eyes,

00:33:36and his energy

00:33:36around him

00:33:37just didn't feel

00:33:38right.

00:33:39But he was

00:33:40respected as a

00:33:41TA because

00:33:42of how smart

00:33:44he was and

00:33:44where he was

00:33:46in his

00:33:46educational career.

00:33:47Brian Kohlberger

00:34:00grew up in

00:34:01a small,

00:34:03hardscrabble

00:34:04Pennsylvania

00:34:05community in

00:34:06the Poconos.

00:34:07He went to a

00:34:08high school where

00:34:09his father was a

00:34:10maintenance technician.

00:34:12His mother

00:34:12worked as a

00:34:13teacher for

00:34:14students with

00:34:15special needs.

00:34:18Brian Kohlberger's

00:34:19background was

00:34:19pretty normal.

00:34:22There was

00:34:22nothing of an

00:34:23abusive nature or

00:34:24anything egregious

00:34:26that occurred in

00:34:27his upbringing that

00:34:28has been

00:34:29disclosed.

00:34:30By all

00:34:31accounts,

00:34:32Brian Kohlberger's

00:34:34parents were

00:34:35really supportive

00:34:36of him and

00:34:37loved him.

00:34:39But there's

00:34:40been a lot of

00:34:41reporting out

00:34:41there that Brian

00:34:42Kohlberger was

00:34:43bullied in high

00:34:44school.

00:34:48At the

00:34:48beginning of his

00:34:49high school years,

00:34:50Brian was around

00:34:51125 pounds

00:34:53overweight.

00:34:56None of the

00:34:56kids treat him

00:34:57as a peer.

00:35:00And around

00:35:01the age of 15,

00:35:03he discovered

00:35:03that he may be

00:35:05suffering from a

00:35:06condition called

00:35:06visual snow.

00:35:09Visual snow

00:35:11is a phenomenon

00:35:12phenomenon where

00:35:13people see very

00:35:15tiny black and

00:35:16white spots that

00:35:18are moving very

00:35:19quickly in your

00:35:20entire visual field

00:35:22that simulates

00:35:24static or the

00:35:27snow that people

00:35:28would see on an

00:35:29older television set.

00:35:32And I personally

00:35:34have visual snow

00:35:35syndrome that is

00:35:37reported in around

00:35:382% of the

00:35:39population.

00:35:40You still see the

00:35:41world around you,

00:35:42but there are

00:35:43people where their

00:35:45symptoms may flare up

00:35:46and become severe

00:35:48enough where it does

00:35:49inhibit them in other

00:35:50parts of their life.

00:35:55If somebody's

00:35:56visual snow has

00:35:58night blindness or

00:35:59difficulty seeing in

00:36:00dim light or light

00:36:02sensitivity,

00:36:04tinnitus, which is a

00:36:05ringing of the

00:36:06ears, it may be

00:36:08challenging for you

00:36:09to engage in social

00:36:10activities.

00:36:12And so that can be

00:36:13very isolating.

00:36:15Higher rates of

00:36:16depression, anxiety,

00:36:19and sleep

00:36:19disturbances.

00:36:21And we don't have

00:36:22a cure.

00:36:24I don't personally

00:36:26know the exact

00:36:27medical history of

00:36:28Ryan Koberger, but

00:36:30he had posted online

00:36:31during his teenage

00:36:32years.

00:36:32It does sound

00:36:35like he was

00:36:37troubled by his

00:36:39symptoms of

00:36:40visual snow.

00:36:43He posted that he

00:36:45was suffering from

00:36:46ringing in his

00:36:47ears.

00:36:48And he had this

00:36:49fuzziness in his

00:36:50vision.

00:36:51And it really made

00:36:53him feel like all

00:36:54of the demons in

00:36:55his head were

00:36:56mocking him.

00:37:00This is what

00:37:01Brian likely said

00:37:02dead on internet

00:37:03forums.

00:37:05I am 15 in 21

00:37:06days, and I don't

00:37:08want to wish I'm

00:37:09dead because of

00:37:10this horrible thing.

00:37:12Something major is

00:37:13wrong with me.

00:37:14I am just a

00:37:15blank soul.

00:37:18I used to be a

00:37:19spelling bee champion.

00:37:21My doctor put me on

00:37:22every medication, and

00:37:24it made me crazy.

00:37:25I have delusions of

00:37:27grandeur.

00:37:27He says, in effect, I

00:37:31don't fit in

00:37:32anywhere.

00:37:33Why don't I fit in?

00:37:35It's a cry of

00:37:36anguish.

00:37:38Poor social skills.

00:37:41No emotion.

00:37:43I can say and do

00:37:43whatever I want with

00:37:44little remorse.

00:37:46Everyone hates me

00:37:47pretty much.

00:37:48I am an asshole.

00:37:49I find no joy in

00:37:51life.

00:37:51How he describes

00:37:59himself.

00:38:00I can say or do

00:38:02whatever I want with

00:38:04no emotion, no

00:38:05feeling.

00:38:07Did he have what it

00:38:08took internally to

00:38:11commit a murder like

00:38:12this?

00:38:12Around Brian Koberger's

00:38:16junior year in high

00:38:18school, he decides

00:38:20that he's going to

00:38:21reinvent himself.

00:38:24He starts working

00:38:25out, taking boxing

00:38:28lessons, starts running.

00:38:31He loses approximately

00:38:32125 pounds of weight,

00:38:34and then he now goes on

00:38:35a vegan diet.

00:38:37He turns his body first

00:38:38into a fortress and

00:38:39then a temple.

00:38:40After he lost weight,

00:38:44the people who knew

00:38:45him said that Brian

00:38:46Koberger changed.

00:38:48He became more angry.

00:38:52While he's this new

00:38:54Brian, he's still not

00:38:56fitting in.

00:39:01Around the time Brian

00:39:02graduates high school,

00:39:04he turns to heroin.

00:39:06This was somebody who

00:39:10was spiraling downward

00:39:11and fast.

00:39:14At one point, he stole

00:39:17his sister's cell phone.

00:39:19His father turned him

00:39:22into the police.

00:39:24And Brian was arrested

00:39:25and went to rehab,

00:39:28and it worked.

00:39:31At this point, there's a

00:39:35transformation in his

00:39:36life.

00:39:37He's able to kick

00:39:39heroin, and he's able

00:39:40to focus on his studies.

00:39:47He gets into the

00:39:48sales university, and his

00:39:50parents are very proud of

00:39:52him.

00:39:52Doing what Brian Koberger did

00:39:56does require a great deal

00:39:58of discipline.

00:40:00Going from the challenges

00:40:02he had as a teenager to

00:40:03then getting a master's

00:40:05degree, I mean, he had to

00:40:08be driven by something.

00:40:13Brian Koberger's chosen

00:40:16course of study, criminology,

00:40:17was it this desire to be a

00:40:21good guy and investigate

00:40:22crimes, or was it a desire

00:40:24to understand his own

00:40:27motivations, his own

00:40:29demons?

00:40:30After Brian Koberger is

00:40:46identified as the owner of a

00:40:48white Hyundai Elantra, they

00:40:50have to look for other ways to

00:40:52possibly tie him to the crime

00:40:53scene.

00:40:56Hello.

00:40:57Sir.

00:40:57I think you know why I

00:40:58stopped you.

00:40:59You were in the red light.

00:41:00What actually happened was I

00:41:01was stuck in the middle of

00:41:02the intersection.

00:41:03Yeah, I was behind you the

00:41:04whole time.

00:41:05Yeah.

00:41:06Moscow police learned that

00:41:08Brian Koberger was pulled

00:41:09over a few times for routine

00:41:12traffic stops in the months

00:41:13leading up to the murders.

00:41:15And in August of 2022, he

00:41:18gave the police officer his

00:41:20cell phone number.

00:41:23The FBI issued a search

00:41:25warrant to produce records for

00:41:27Mr. Koberger's cell phone.

00:41:28This would help determine if

00:41:31Mr. Koberger actually had been

00:41:34in the area of the King Road

00:41:36residence on the night of the

00:41:38murders.

00:41:40On that night, Brian Koberger's

00:41:42phone allegedly is at his

00:41:43apartment in Pullman,

00:41:45Washington, which is about a 10-minute

00:41:46drive to Moscow.

00:41:47And they found video evidence

00:42:08that a white elanter was leaving his

00:42:11apartment and heading away from

00:42:13Pullman, Washington.

00:42:31And then Mr. Koberger's cell phone

00:42:33goes dark and is no longer

00:42:37communicating with cell phone towers.

00:42:39Two hours later, Brian Koberger's

00:43:01cell phone reconnects to the

00:43:03cellular system.

00:43:14It heads south of Moscow.

00:43:20Continues heading west.

00:43:22And then Brian Koberger's cell phone is

00:43:43back at his residence in

00:43:44Pullman, Washington.

00:43:55Law enforcement couldn't prove that

00:43:57Brian Koberger was actually at the

00:43:59King Road house during the time of

00:44:02the murders because there was no

00:44:04information being exchanged between

00:44:06the cell phone and cell phone towers

00:44:07during that time frame.

00:44:09The prosecution might say that Brian

00:44:12Koberger's phone was turned off or put

00:44:14into airplane mode so that his

00:44:16location could not be tracked to the

00:44:18night of the murders.

00:44:23But Brian Koberger's cell phone records

00:44:26also revealed that his phone was

00:44:29pinging within 100 meters of King Road

00:44:3323 times prior to the night of the

00:44:35murders.

00:44:36That's a pretty damning and powerful

00:44:38piece of evidence.

00:44:42In my opinion, this was conducting what

00:44:50we call in law enforcement a site

00:44:52survey.

00:44:53I need to understand the roads that go

00:44:56in and out.

00:44:57When did people arrive home?

00:44:59How many people are going in and out

00:45:01of that house?

00:45:05This is viewed in the realm of

00:45:07serial killers as a game.

00:45:08It is possible he was surveilling,

00:45:14planning a strategy to carry out these

00:45:16killings.

00:45:20But when you hear about cell phone

00:45:22evidence, it's almost impossible to

00:45:26pinpoint someone to a specific

00:45:28location.

00:45:28The defense came forward with an alibi for

00:45:40the night the murders occurred.

00:45:42They said, Brian Koberger was driving

00:45:45around stargazing.

00:45:47He likes to look at the stars, likes to

00:45:49look at the moon.

00:45:50They said that he was at a wilderness

00:45:55park about 20 miles southwest of

00:45:59Washington State University.

00:46:02And he was there at four in the morning

00:46:05staring at the stars with no witnesses

00:46:08around.

00:46:10And there were people who could testify that

00:46:12Brian Koberger would go off and wander off

00:46:14to parks at night.

00:46:16Quite frankly, to me, it sounds

00:46:21absolutely ridiculous that somebody is

00:46:24going to be out at four in the morning

00:46:25stargazing on a cloudy night in the

00:46:30middle of these murders being committed.

00:46:32There is a brilliance in this alibi, though,

00:46:34for the defense.

00:46:36They could say, if our client was

00:46:38stargazing in this area, would we be in

00:46:41a dead zone and not communicating with a

00:46:43tower?

00:46:43Yes.

00:46:55But this is an important point, I think.

00:46:59The next morning, Brian Koberger allegedly

00:47:02decides to return to the vicinity of

00:47:05King Road.

00:47:07Brian Koberger's phone went back to the

00:47:10area of the house and was pinging nearby.

00:47:17Sometimes killers return to the scene of

00:47:19the crime to kind of see the aftermath,

00:47:22to see what's going on.

00:47:24If he is who the prosecution believes he

00:47:28is, this is part of the fantasy.

00:47:30This is part of the game.

00:47:33For all we know, he may have wanted the food

00:47:36in downtown Moscow, where Washington state

00:47:40students are known to go to.

00:47:42It's not a crime to be in that location.

00:47:47But I think we're dealing with something even

00:47:50much more nefarious.

00:47:51That same morning, Brian Koberger takes

00:47:57a photograph of himself.

00:48:00Court papers say the selfie was taken in a

00:48:03bathroom just six hours after the slaughter.

00:48:06There's speculation that he had just showered to

00:48:09remove potential evidence.

00:48:11His smile in that picture is sinister.

00:48:16This does not appear to be a happenstance whim

00:48:20killing.

00:48:21This appears to have been a orchestrated,

00:48:25planned, surgically carried out killing.

00:48:28Before Washington State University, Brian went to

00:48:42DeSales, a distinguished university in Pennsylvania.

00:48:47He becomes involved in the criminal justice department.

00:48:52He was a star student and studied under a distinguished

00:48:56professor, Dr. Katherine Ramsland.

00:49:00Dr. Ramsland, does it serve us to keep serial killers

00:49:03top of mind to stay one step ahead of the next one?

00:49:05I think it's a good idea to know about them, in part

00:49:08to be able to catch some potential serial killers early.

00:49:14Katherine Ramsland is a heavyweight when it comes to

00:49:18forensic assessment of the criminal mind.

00:49:22She's brilliant.

00:49:23She goes out and reaches into the prisons

00:49:26and has conversations with serial killers.

00:49:31Now, Katherine Ramsland does not want to talk about the case,

00:49:35but my sources have told me that Brian idolizes her.

00:49:40He wants to be just like Dr. Ramsland.

00:49:44He wants to understand the criminal mind,

00:49:47how it functions, and how people break the law.

00:49:50In one of his classes, Brian Koberger wrote a paper about how to process a crime scene.

00:50:05The scenario involves a woman who has been stabbed to death in her home.

00:50:09Koberger gives step-by-step instructions on collecting evidence and documenting the murder scene.

00:50:14The prosecution is going to make an argument that this paper had a relevance to these crimes.

00:50:22It shows Brian Koberger having some knowledge of how crime scenes are investigated and processed.

00:50:29But on the other hand, Brian Koberger is pursuing a Ph.D. in criminology.

00:50:36It doesn't teach someone how to become a criminal.

00:50:40It just allows the person to understand the criminal mind

00:50:43and ultimately to understand why a crime may be committed.

00:50:48In fact, often, a criminologist is working in tandem with law enforcement.

00:50:53So it's entirely unfair to somehow say Brian Koberger committed these crimes

00:50:59simply because he was a student of criminology.

00:51:03But as a retired FBI agent,

00:51:07when you look at what Brian Koberger was studying

00:51:10and what he allegedly did,

00:51:15he was the perfect candidate to commit a crime like this almost seamlessly.

00:51:23As a teacher's assistant,

00:51:38Brian was very smart,

00:51:41but a lot of people considered him like a harsh grader,

00:51:47especially towards women.

00:51:49And a lot of the females said that he was sexist

00:51:52and he was disrespectful.

00:51:56Someone who was in the same class as me

00:51:58mentioned how she personally had an experience.

00:52:03It was her, Brian,

00:52:05and maybe a couple of other females and males in the office.

00:52:10She went up to ask for help and he just fully ignored her.

00:52:13He was just very rude and not professional at all.

00:52:17And so she left and didn't come back.

00:52:20I know that female students complain to the professor about Brian multiple times.

00:52:25There's a session set up with the professor and Brian about the complaints.

00:52:36And Brian becomes combative, vitriolic.

00:52:40And the professor is shocked.

00:52:42Just 11 days before the murders occur,

00:52:46Brian is called in to a meeting of the department heads and the law is laid down.

00:52:54The threat is that money he earns as a teaching assistant will be taken away,

00:53:01which means he can't afford the $27,000 to matriculate as a graduate student.

00:53:07So everything he's been building will fall apart.

00:53:10It's a very severe threat.

00:53:12It's a unnerving threat.

00:53:20But this is followed almost immediately by his following one of the students in his class

00:53:27back to her car.

00:53:31She said she was, quote, creeped out by this experience.

00:53:36She reports this to the department heads.

00:53:42Is it possible that when Brian Koberger found out that women had complained about him at

00:53:48Washington State University, that this somehow triggered him carrying out these murders?

00:53:56So you have an individual who in one sense was heading toward what would be a fine career in

00:54:04criminology. And at the same time, you had this divergent character who couldn't connect with

00:54:10people, who creeped people out. Brian Koberger's relations with women are pretty problematic.

00:54:17One woman said that she went out on a date with Brian. She invited her back to her apartment.

00:54:25He kept trying to touch me, just like trying to tickle me and rub my shoulders and stuff. And I was like,

00:54:32like, why are you touching me? Or what are you doing? And he would just like get super serious.

00:54:37And he's like, I'm not kind of like trying to gaslight me into thinking that he didn't touch me.

00:54:44Then I was like, I'm just going to run to the bathroom quick. And he was like, okay.

00:54:50And then he followed me to the bathroom, which I thought was kind of weird.

00:54:54So I proceeded to pretend to throw up to get him to leave.

00:55:03Brian then leaves the house. Later that night, she says she gets a text where he allegedly says,

00:55:10thanks for the date. I had a wonderful time. And you have great birthing hips.

00:55:14If somebody told me I had good birthing hips, it's not exactly the type of thing a woman wants to hear.

00:55:23He thought that perhaps that was being very suave, but it didn't have the desired effect.

00:55:28It got him deleted from her contacts.

00:55:33Kind of makes you think that Brian Koberger just doesn't know how to act around women.

00:55:38When he was attending DeSales University, he would sometimes go to a brewery nearby.

00:55:47Some of the servers reported that he would make creepy comments,

00:55:51ask them where they lived or what shifts they were working.

00:55:56The owner was quoted as saying that if women weren't interested in him, he got really annoyed.

00:56:02And one woman actually said that he called her a bitch.

00:56:08He had a lot of traits of an incel. An incel is somebody who is involuntarily celibate.

00:56:15He seemed like someone who led the life of somebody who was rejected by women,

00:56:21yet had a very high self-worth in some regards.

00:56:28Maddie Mogan, Haley Gonsalves, and Xana Karnotl were stunning young women.

00:56:36Women that walk into a room and people take notice.

00:56:41This is in part what causes the rage because incels believe that they are entitled to women like this,

00:56:50only they can't have women like this.

00:56:53This case, in my view, was absolutely a femicide. It was a crime against women.

00:56:59The prosecution couldn't believe it is a component to what motivated Brian Koberger.

00:57:11But just because he's awkward with women doesn't mean he went into a house in the middle of the night

00:57:17and stabbed three women and a man.

00:57:19We don't know why these individuals were murdered. Why would Brian Koberger hone in on these four students?

00:57:29When law enforcement start investigating a murder, they don't only look at potential suspects,

00:57:47but they also look at the victims.

00:57:50Who were they in contact with in the hours leading up to the death?

00:57:54Was Brian Koberger possibly following them?

00:57:59On the night of the killings, Kaylee and Maddie go to the Corner Club.

00:58:05The Corner Club is a fabled sports bar at the far end of Main Street in Moscow.

00:58:14They then, about one o'clock in the morning, leave the bar.

00:58:20They head to the food truck.

00:58:29The grub truck is our local favorite.

00:58:32It's a food truck that serves mac and cheese.

00:58:34Three is a lot.

00:58:36And the food truck always broadcasts or streamed on Twitch.

00:58:40So that video really made the rounds.

00:58:45Hello.

00:58:45Hi.

00:58:46Welcome back.

00:58:46Thanks.

00:58:48I think I would like the, um...

00:58:51The grub truck footage around 1.30 in the morning is the last footage that we have

00:58:56of the girls together. And it is just haunting to watch.

00:59:02The girls had no idea what was about to happen to them.

00:59:11Interestingly enough, there is a young guy from the bar that they know.

00:59:15He's wearing a hoodie and he is there watching.

00:59:19When they leave, it looks almost like he's following them.

00:59:24The person in the hoodie, I actually knew him before.

00:59:27And there are a lot of fingers being pointed at him.

00:59:32He later becomes a suspect, but he's totally cleared.

00:59:38And then the girls, they take a car service home.

00:59:44And the driver of that car service, he too is cleared.

00:59:48Breaking news authorities have now confirmed that Brian Koberger did not stalk any of his victims.

00:59:59There's also no connection between the people in the house and Mr. Koberger based on

01:00:06their cell phones, based on social media accounts.

01:00:09That is something that is very perplexing.

01:00:14Because you would have imagined that Brian would have wanted to stalk in that way.

01:00:22The fact that there is no social media connection is going to be helpful for the defense when

01:00:27they try to distance Brian Koberger away from any of these individuals and the crime.

01:00:33The question might be, if Brian Koberger wasn't involved with any of the victims on social media,

01:00:42how would he even know them or know about 1122 King Road?

01:00:46Mad Greek was a super cozy restaurant in downtown Moscow.

01:01:00Maddy worked there first and then Zanna ended up getting a job there as well.

01:01:05They were both servers there.

01:01:07The Mad Greek restaurant has, in addition to a Greek menu, a quasi-vegan menu.

01:01:18And Brian Koberger isn't vegan.

01:01:22There's been a lot of speculation that Brian Koberger possibly could have met Maddy or Zanna,

01:01:28or happened upon them at that restaurant.

01:01:30The prosecution might say that Brian Koberger became obsessed with Maddy at the Mad Greek,

01:01:37and maybe even Zanna. We just don't know.

01:01:42Maddy, was he attracted by her blonde good looks, her exuberance?

01:01:47Did they have any interaction? Did he hang out in the shadows?

01:01:52Or Zanna, she was a popular girl, very attractive?

01:01:56But ultimately, this information may have little value because there's no evidence to show that

01:02:03Zanna Kurnodal or Madison Mogan had any contact with Brian Koberger.

01:02:10We don't know if it was a heinous crime done at random.

01:02:14We don't know if it was someone who knew them.

01:02:17We don't know why this happened, but we do know that it was a tragedy.

01:02:22If the police can't connect the victims to Brian Koberger,

01:02:29they're going to have to find a way to link him to the crime scene.

01:02:35The question is, is there any physical evidence connecting Brian Koberger to the actual murders?

01:02:42Yeah, oh, here it is.

01:02:51Those are DNA fibers trapping the bubbles.

01:02:55That is wonderful.

01:02:58I'm a DNA expert based in Idaho.

01:03:02I started doing criminal case work in about 2000.

01:03:08I've certainly been involved with a lot of cases.

01:03:12And here you see some epithelial cells.

01:03:16Epithelial cells are the cells that we have in our skin, lining of the mouth.

01:03:22A lot of times in crime scenes, we'll see these kind of samples either taken from victims

01:03:26or indirect transfer or touch.

01:03:29The one piece of concrete evidence the police had early on in the case was a knife sheath for the

01:03:41K-Bar knife that was left in the bed where Maddie was found.

01:03:45On the button snap of this knife sheath, the Idaho crime lab is able to identify DNA residue.

01:03:55It's touched DNA.

01:03:58The term touched DNA, all it means is we found a little bit of DNA.

01:04:04The DNA, according to the affidavit, is actually deposited here in the lower snap, right here.

01:04:11This is a remnant DNA from a single source.

01:04:16It's a partial bit of DNA.

01:04:19This is deposition from a skin cell.

01:04:21Every time we touch something, we're leaving skin cells.

01:04:30I'm shedding thousands of cells.

01:04:32Just during this interview, I'm shedding thousands of cells.

01:04:35I may have owned objects years ago.

01:04:42My DNA can still be on them.

01:04:45So if I leave here with a coffee cup that I touched,

01:04:49if that coffee cup is put in somebody's bag, it might touch their clothing or something they

01:04:55have in the bag, and then my DNA is going to end up there.

01:05:00Incredibly, someone's touched DNA could be at a crime scene,

01:05:03and that person may have never been there.

01:05:10Touched DNA is imperfect.

01:05:12It lends itself to contamination.

01:05:15It lends itself to possibly not giving a strong sample.

01:05:20Versus direct DNA, like blood or saliva, where it's conclusive.

01:05:26Touched DNA has led to false convictions in the past.

01:05:31But in this case, the touch DNA was found exactly where you would touch the sheath,

01:05:40at the button.

01:05:42So you have probable cause to find out whose DNA it is.

01:05:46Law enforcement ran the DNA from the knife sheath through CODIS, a combined DNA indexing system.

01:05:59It's the FBI's database. It has convicted offenders from each state.

01:06:05And they got no hits.

01:06:08No hits. What do you do?

01:06:10Even though you have a profile, you don't know whose DNA it is.

01:06:15I can only imagine that the police at that moment, they've got this sheath, which seems like gold,

01:06:21from an evidentiary standpoint, and they don't get a return on this thing.

01:06:26So you go back to the laboratory drawing board, and you reprocess that sample then for investigative

01:06:34genetic genealogy.

01:06:37Genealogy is the method of showing who we're related to.

01:06:41And genetic genealogy uses DNA evidence.

01:06:46You can load it up to one of the genealogy sites.

01:06:50Does this evidence have any relatives in this database?

01:06:55First, you look for the family tree of the evidence, and you've got to build out a pretty

01:07:00big tree from there to look at all the possible people who could have been at the crime scene.

01:07:06The Idaho State Police send the DNA sample to the FBI crime lab at Quantico.

01:07:18And the FBI begins to build out a family tree.

01:07:25All we know of this family tree is that we get Brian Koberger's great-great-grandparents,

01:07:32and this eventually leads them to Brian as a suspect.

01:07:37Forensic investigative genealogy is great for generating leads, but it gives you a tree of

01:07:44people. It doesn't tell you an exact match to a person. And you have to confirm that independently

01:07:50with traditional DNA testing later on. The touch DNA taken from the knife sheath

01:07:58can still be utilized, but you've got to get Kohlberger to match it. Separate from the

01:08:02investigative genetic genealogy. And if you can't match it, it's just not enough.

01:08:18When the murders first came out, Washington State University said it wasn't really our business.

01:08:31So we continued classes right after the murders like nothing happened. Brian still showed up to class.

01:08:39Brian, before the murders, was very put together. Shaven all the time and had his hair done.

01:08:48But after the murders, before Christmas break, there was less time put into his appearance.

01:08:54He also started writing paragraphs on how good our work was and sending emails reminding us to turn in

01:09:04assignments. I think he was trying to make himself seem nicer.

01:09:09But he was still getting in those arguments with a professor. He was warned multiple times,

01:09:20and yet he kept pushing. And the decision is made that this contract for this teaching

01:09:26assistant will not be renewed for the next term. And they are going to write Brian Kohlberger during

01:09:32Christmas vacation. Brian knew that he was in trouble and that all his hopes and ambitions would

01:09:40come tumbling down. Brian's father flies out from Pennsylvania to see his son, and they're going

01:09:54to drive home together for the Christmas holidays. If you have any information about the car, you are

01:09:59urged to contact the Moscow police tip line. There's Brian's father sitting shoulder to shoulder with his

01:10:09son in a white Hyundai Elantra. You know that your son lives 10 miles away from where four people were

01:10:17brutally murdered, and he has to have suspicions. When this pair of Kohlberger's hit Indiana, something

01:10:27interesting occurred. Two traffic stops were made within 10 minutes of one another.

01:10:33Hello. How you doing? How y'all doing today? Good, good. Take a look at your driver's lines real quick,

01:10:39if I could. So you're coming from Washington State University? Yeah. And you're going where?

01:10:45Oh. We're going to be going to Pennsylvania. Oh, okay. We're a little, we're slightly clutching,

01:10:53because we've been driving for hours. Hours? Days? Hours. Indiana State Police said Kohlberger was behind

01:11:00the wheel when he was stopped on I-70 outside of Indianapolis for following too closely.

01:11:06Do me a favor and don't follow too close, okay?

01:11:08Kohlberger. Kohlberger was allegedly tailgating in both instances. I guess that could happen,

01:11:16but it just seems awfully odd. According to my sources, the FBI was following Brian Kohlberger.

01:11:28The defense has come out and said the FBI had been following Kohlberger for days. But I don't think

01:11:35Brian knew that he was being followed. At some point, the FBI and the Idaho investigators reach

01:11:43out to the Pennsylvania State Police. They need their help, and the Pennsylvania State Police

01:11:49begin to surveil the Kohlberger house in Albrightville.

01:12:06After Brian and his father return home for the holidays, the Pennsylvania State Police are

01:12:12surveilling the home undetected. The investigators are watching Brian Kohlberger, wearing gloves, take his trash

01:12:24and place it into a neighbor's receptacle. At that point, under the law, it's abandoned property.

01:12:35You forego your expectation of privacy when it's trash, let alone in someone else's garbage.

01:12:43The decision is made. We're going to try to get more DNA evidence from this garbage to see if there's

01:12:48any trace of Brian Kohlberger's DNA that can match what they found on the button of the knife sheath.

01:13:01On December the 27th, they pulled that trash,

01:13:06send it out to the Idaho State Crime Lab to look for DNA deposition in there,

01:13:12and I'd be doggone if they didn't find it. The evidence is analyzed, and it is determined to be

01:13:21the DNA of the father of the individual whose DNA was left on the knife sheath.

01:13:29That is a gigantic find that literally ties this case together from a DNA perspective.

01:13:36That allows them to issue the arrest warrant and make the arrest.

01:13:50SWAT comes in and bursts through the door. Reportedly, upon entry into the house,

01:13:57Brian Kohlberger is found there in the kitchen, wearing a t-shirt, shorts, and surgical gloves.

01:14:03And he's taking out his personal trash out of the family trash and placing it in individual ziplock bags.

01:14:13Who puts garbage out with rubber gloves on and separates their garbage from their parents?

01:14:20Why would someone do that? Because they're hiding their DNA profile. Remember, Brian Kohlberger was studying criminology.

01:14:33The defense claims that Brian has exhibited this type of compulsive behavior ever since he was a kid.

01:14:40He's had an obsession with hand washing, and he's also obsessed with cleaning.

01:14:46Brian going through the garbage with his gloves on, it could be attributed to that.

01:14:51They get a warrant to take a cheek swab. This cheek swab matches the DNA on the knife sheet.

01:14:58That DNA is the most powerful piece of evidence in this case.

01:15:16Last night, detectives arrested 28-year-old Brian Christopher Kohlberger in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania.

01:15:24When Brian Kohlberger was arrested, I immediately went to his residence.

01:15:33The Steptoe Apartments outside of Washington State University.

01:15:39Good morning, YouTube Chronicles of Olivia here. So as you can see, I'm in front of Brian Kohlberger's apartment.

01:15:45It was taped off with yellow crime scene tape.

01:15:53They were removing items from the apartment in these bins, in these containers.

01:16:00From what we know, there was no DNA or blood in his car, in his apartment,

01:16:05or at his parents' house, connecting Brian Kohlberger with these four individuals.

01:16:22The house where four University of Idaho students were murdered more than a year ago is set to be demolished next week.

01:16:28Prosecutors were granted access to the crime scene yesterday for the last time.

01:16:32The university president thought he would maybe get rid of this aura that's hanging over the

01:16:40campus by destroying the murder house. He literally sent bulldozers in and had it torn down.

01:16:48For me, that was a big mistake. Nothing takes the place of being able to take a jury

01:16:53and have them walk through that scene. That chance is gone now. It's all gone.

01:16:57I was there when they tore the house down. And it was quick. It looked like cardboard, like a cardboard box.

01:17:11It's just a memory right now.

01:17:15A new trial date for the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students.

01:17:19Brian Kohlberger's trial is set for August of 2025. It's going to be one of the most closely watched trials that we've had.

01:17:32Cases like the Kohlberger case get incredible amounts of media attention.

01:17:39The trial has been moved to Boise, Idaho.

01:17:41Brian Kohlberger's attorneys argued that they needed to change the venue because there would be such a

01:17:48mob mentality surrounding the trial in Moscow that he wouldn't be able to get a fair trial.

01:17:54Being a student who was in Moscow, I saw Kohlberger at the county courthouse.

01:18:01Do you understand?

01:18:02Yes.

01:18:03When I heard him speak, it was just a reminder that he's a young guy. He sounded like he could have been

01:18:10any other kid on campus to me. If he did do this, a murderer is just, they look like an average person.

01:18:17You don't know what they're capable of.

01:18:19I'm going to cover the trial. I intend to be there every single day if I can.

01:18:30I hope to find out if there is any connection between the victims and Brian Kohlberger,

01:18:38and I'm curious to see what the roommates have to say.

01:18:42I think the question everyone's going to be looking to get answered is, what was the motivation?

01:18:49Why was it these four?

01:18:52If he hadn't been caught, would these have been his only murders?

01:18:57As a prosecutor, I would say that Brian Kohlberger, you have his vehicle,

01:19:04which matches the vehicle seen coming and going from the house that night.

01:19:10You have his cell phone, which pings in that general area in the days and weeks leading up to these killings.

01:19:19He matched the physical description that Dylan provided.

01:19:23You have his DNA that was left behind on a knife sheath.

01:19:31The warrant was served on Amazon tracking Kohlberger's purchases over an extended period of time.

01:19:38Kohlberger purchased the K-Bar knife on Amazon.

01:19:44That piece of evidence in the courtroom would be like a nuclear bomb.

01:19:51He's either guilty of murder or the unluckiest man in America.

01:19:56But there are multiple points of reasonable doubt here.

01:20:02The evidence with the knife sheath highlights the problem with touch DNA analysis and investigation.

01:20:09That transfer of DNA could have happened elsewhere, so that's not conclusive evidence.

01:20:14The defense is going to say Brian Kohlberger is innocent.

01:20:20That the focus of the police on Brian Kohlberger caused them to disregard

01:20:26thousands and thousands of tips that they received because they believe they've had their man

01:20:32and they focus solely on him.

01:20:34Reportedly, there were news reports going around that there were DNA from other individuals

01:20:40that were discovered at the house on King Road.

01:20:42Brian Kohlberger's attorneys say blood from an unknown man was found on a handrail in the victim's home,

01:20:50and another's DNA was found on a glove outside.

01:20:57Is it possible that someone other than Brian Kohlberger could be responsible for these murders?

01:21:04Could Brian Kohlberger be innocent?

01:21:06That's why this trial is going to be so important because we'll get the answers to some of those questions.

01:21:20We do know that Idaho has the death penalty and the prosecution will be seeking the death penalty.

01:21:25In case after case, they have not been able to find the chemicals necessary for a lethal injection.

01:21:34A bill was introduced that would allow a firing squad to take place.

01:21:40Death by firing squad as a means of capital punishment is pretty incredible.

01:21:47But in the end, it will be up to the jury to decide.

01:21:51And right now, it's hard to predict what 12 citizens of Idaho will say when confronted with all this evidence.

01:21:59Will they find Brian Kohlberger innocent or guilty?

01:22:12These were kids that were social and studying and headed toward bigger things.

01:22:20That's the tragedy here.

01:22:21One of the fathers of the victims said, you send your daughter off to college and she comes back to you in an urn.

01:22:31And this is every parent's worst nightmare.

01:22:38The last photo that Kaylee had posted was all of them together.

01:22:44That photo was taken on the afternoon of November 12th, the day before they died.

01:22:51And it's really become the symbol of this case.

01:22:54I mean, they're frozen in time.

01:22:59They spent that day just like expressing their love for each other.

01:23:02Like, you know, I'm so lucky that we have found such great roommates and friends.

01:23:07And I remember talking to Dylan and she was like, that was like the best day.

01:23:10We were just all together, just so happy.

01:23:12Every single one of them was just having the best day.

01:23:15Yeah.

01:23:16And I just hope that they're at peace.

01:23:19Yeah.

01:23:20Yeah.

01:23:21After everything happened, we just promised that we would live on through Maddie, Kaylee, Zanna, and Ethan.

01:23:28So we all went to go get tattoos to honor them.

01:23:34For Maddie, I got her name just right at the front.

01:23:38It's her handwriting from a little note that she had written.

01:23:43It just says Maddie Mae with a little heart for the eye.

01:23:47Because a lot of people call her Maddie Mae.

01:23:49Yeah.

01:23:49I think that it's a great way to remember her.

01:23:53People often notice it and it gives me a chance to be like, oh yeah, this was my best friend.

01:23:58Like, let me tell you all about her.

01:24:00Yeah.

01:24:01Yeah.

01:24:01And then I got angel wings and then I got MM also for Maddie Mae.

01:24:07And a heart.

01:24:08So yeah, she's always there.

01:24:11I actually have, it's a different set of angel wings, but it's in the same place.

01:24:15It's M heart X for Maddie and Zanna.

01:24:19My tattoo, I have one on the side here, which says,

01:24:24love you like crazy, which is something that Maddie had written in one of the

01:24:28letters that she gave to me.

01:24:31And then on the back of my neck, which you might be able to see,

01:24:36the angel wings back there for Maddie.

01:24:39It definitely makes you look at life a lot differently.

01:24:42Yeah.

01:24:43I just don't take anything for granted.

01:24:45Life is so short.

01:24:46You never know what's going to happen.

01:24:47Loving people unconditionally.

01:24:51That's all you can do.

01:24:52Yeah.

01:24:52You know, it's just be grateful for those times that you had.

01:24:58So with the trial coming up, do you have any concerns or hopes?

01:25:19My biggest concern would be with the prosecution accepting a plea deal.

01:25:24I don't think for the crimes that were committed that life in prison is even acceptable.

01:25:30It's just not a fitting punishment for what happened.

01:25:36Nothing will ever be the same.

01:25:37Kayleigh will never be back.

01:25:39Ah, Maddie, and Zanna

01:25:41will never be back here.

01:25:48ETHAN, ZANNA, MATTY and Kayleigh—

01:25:51they knew how to live life to the fullest,

01:25:53and not everyone does.

01:25:56We can feel inspired by the love that they gave

01:26:01and to share those memories and not forget them.

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