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  • 7/7/2025
At a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing last week, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) asked Navy Sec. John Phelan how to sustainably fund research into drones in the future.
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00:00Well, we've heard a lot of discussion about the amazing development of drones and what
00:07they can do in the Black Sea, for example.
00:15Without much of a navy of its own, the Ukraine use of drones has produced some pretty good
00:27results and neutralized Russia's Black Sea fleet with cheap drones.
00:38On land, more than two-thirds of the casualties since Russia's escalation have come from drones.
00:45In the Red Sea, the rebels managed to bring international shipping to a near standstill
00:53and repeatedly target U.S. Navy vessels using a mix of cheap Iranian drones and missiles.
01:03Clearly those conflicts offer valuable lessons for the Navy and Marine Corps on the future
01:09of warfare, particularly when it comes to both fielding and countering drones.
01:16What are the lessons?
01:17You've covered some of this, but I'd like to hear it one more time.
01:20What are the lessons you've learned?
01:22What are the investments you're making?
01:25What are you doing to drive down costs of producing and countering drones in the air and at sea?
01:37Thank you for the question, Senator.
01:41We are all learning lessons in real time.
01:43I'd say the one thing I would say to you as it comes to drones, and I kind of touched on
01:48it a little bit in my opening statement.
01:51How we fund our drone development is going to be very important.
01:54And I think programmatically funding it is going to be tricky because the technology is changing
02:00so quickly that if we get stuck on one program, we could end up being obsolete very quickly.
02:09We are testing a number of different drone systems undersea, on the surface, in the air.
02:14Both forces are doing a lot of incredibly good work.
02:19How that fits in with the whole force design is something we're spending a lot of time.
02:24We have to think about defense, offense, and surveillance.
02:29All the things we are doing as we speak, they are cost effective, they're very effective,
02:38and so we will continue to stay very focused on that, and I promise you we are taking learning
02:43lessons from all of the conflicts in real time and incorporating that into how we look
02:49at things.
02:50I don't know if General Smith or Admiral Kilby.
02:52I'll just go really quick.
02:53I agree with what the Secretary said.
02:55We're sharing information from the Naval European Forces Commander Admiral Munch with Admiral Koehler
03:02in the Pacific.
03:04One of our areas is called non-traditional sea denial, which is a combination of unmanned
03:09air, surface, and undersea vessels.
03:13So we are making an investment in this, and I agree with the Secretary that we have to treat
03:17it differently than our traditional platforms.
03:19But I believe it will be a mix of unmanned and manned aircraft in what we call a hybrid
03:24fleet that will be most effective for the United States Navy.
03:28Senator, we have an attack drone team at Quantico that constantly is looking to do additive manufacturing
03:34and 3D printing of our own drones.
03:36Because what I don't want to do is I don't want to be committed to one vendor and then have
03:41something better pop up, and now I'm committed to a five-year contract with one vendor.
03:45I want to be able to self-produce drones and attack munitions, one-way attack drones.
03:49We can already do that.
03:51We've demonstrated that at Quantico, and with great effect and with great efficiency and
03:55with great economic sense.
04:01Well, if there are no further questions, Senators have one week to submit additional questions
04:09for the subcommittee's official hearing record.
04:11We request your responses be received within 30 days of receiving the questions.
04:20The subcommittee stands in recess, subject to the call of the chair.

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