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00:30But in addition to the Pakistan and the United States, there is a lot of a collective of America and the United States.
00:39But the most important and important is to talk about the European alleine.
00:42In the program, there is an American and the American Care being in the United States.
00:48The United States and the United States from Africa.
00:53With thetickTank, there are a lot of people with the practices.
00:58Scott, there's been a tremendous breaking of ice between Pakistan and the U.S. in recent times.
01:15Firstly, in terms of the recent geo-strategic changes within the Middle East as well as in Southeast Asia,
01:23this closeness actually indicates a larger partnership.
01:26I'd like to shed some light in terms of what this actually means for this relationship.
01:32Sure. So one of the key changes in the U.S.-Pakistan relationship is that we're moving beyond what defined it by default during the global war on terror,
01:41which was America's presence in Afghanistan.
01:44Both the new U.S. regime and new regimes in Pakistan have shown an interest in changing the nature of U.S.-Pakistan relations,
01:51focusing more on mutually beneficial bilateral trade agreements.
01:54Counter-terrorism remains at the heart of this cooperation, Scott.
01:59And we've seen that Donald Trump, President Trump, praising the Pakistani military leadership as well as the country in general
02:07about the successes against groups like the Islamic State of Khurasan.
02:10I mean, does this, is CT still the foundation for it and the rest of it is like an overlap around it?
02:19Or do we see this completely a paradigmatic shift from what kind of relationship we've had in the last two decades?
02:25So right now, counter-terrorism still is a key foundation of the U.S.-Pakistan relationship, but we do see that beginning to change.
02:33Donald Trump's administration is much more focused on great power competition,
02:37although he rhetorically likes anyone who stands up and goes after terrorist organizations.
02:41It's not actually a priority for his administration to support.
02:44There also is a long history of cooperation between the U.S. and Pakistani militaries.
02:49And given the dynamic nature of Pakistani politics and how domestic political regimes can change so quickly,
02:55that stable relationship between the two militaries has been one of the safest forms of continued communication between the countries.
03:03But going forward, we can't expect to see that change as U.S. priorities shift.
03:07But one of the priorities that has been mentioned repeatedly is about reciprocal tariffs, bringing that down and increasing the quantum of trade.
03:15And do you see that happening anytime soon because of the recent visits as well as the presence of senior Pakistani military leadership in D.C. right now?
03:25There's certainly an opportunity for it.
03:27The question is going to be how quickly can the Trump administration actually reach a deal with Pakistan?
03:32Unfortunately, as far as U.S. trade partners go, there just isn't that much bilateral trade between the U.S. and Pakistan compared to other larger nations,
03:39which might mean Pakistan gets put on the back burner for the Trump administration as they look to the current war between Israel and Iran
03:46and the potential U.S. involvement there, and then also trade deals with larger countries.
03:51There's also a part of it, and we've seen a larger U.S. role emerging during the Pakistan and India conflict.
03:59We've seen Pakistan welcome and reciprocate that, but we haven't seen the same from the Indian side as well.
04:06I mean, this morning, there was a statement by the Indian foreign secretary of him not meeting Modi
04:15and Modi not actually going to D.C. to actually join these talks, despite the fact that, according to them,
04:23there was a phone call that was made between them.
04:25How is that going to be balanced, the India-Pakistan relationship within the U.S. foreign policy?
04:31Well, India and Pakistan are both in very different geostrategic positions.
04:37It's unclear what the administration's policy vis-à-vis Afghanistan is.
04:40It hasn't been top of mind in the news or focus for the Trump administration.
04:47It is curious to see that the Trump administration has lifted sanctions on the current Syrian regime,
04:52despite its terrorist origins, which opens up the possibility for the U.S. normalizing relationships
04:57with the current Taliban regime.
05:00But in terms of the larger security dynamics emerging, what would be the impact of this relationship
05:05and what kind of decisions would Pakistan have to make in accordance to how U.S. foreign policy
05:12is now being stretched on the newer developments that's taking place between Israel and Iran
05:17and particularly the Middle East as well?
05:18Well, I think for Pakistan, two areas that you can focus on with cooperating in the United States
05:24is, one, the continued relationship between our two militaries and focusing on the counterterrorism fight.
05:29The other one is being a good trade partner and adopting policies that would be attractive
05:34to the Trump administration.
05:35Whether or not you can use that to reach a deal with the Trump administration to meaningfully impact,
05:40which I believe they're currently 29 percent tariffs that have been placed on Pakistan,
05:44it remains to be seen.
05:45We just don't have a lot of case studies to look at with the Trump administration
05:49and how they're actually making deals.
05:51Thank you very much for your time, Scott.
05:52I'll just talk for our viewers in terms of what actually Scott meant.
05:56Nاظرین, Scott نے یہ بات کی کہ جو پاکستان کے جو مسائل ہیں
06:02اور خوشوسی طور پر جو دہشتگردی کے مسائل ہیں
06:05اس میں جو سب سے بڑا ایشو جو آ رہا ہے
06:08پاکستان کو ویسٹرن ایلائس پر جو ہے وہ ریلائنس کی ضرورت جو ہے وہ
06:12پڑے گی آگے اور یہ جس طرح پاکستان اپنے آپ کو
06:16اور اپنی فورن پولیسی کو ریلائن کرے گا
06:19امریکہ کے مفادات کو مدنظر رکھتے ہوئے
06:22اسی پر ہی ڈیپینڈنٹ ہے
06:23کہ آگے جو خطے کے اندر سیچوئیشن بنتی ہوئی جا رہی ہے
06:26اس کے پاکستان پر جو ہے وہ کیسے اثرات ہوں گے
06:29ناظرین اس ٹائم ٹائم ہوا ہے ایک بریک کا
06:32اور بریک کے بعد جو ہے ہم واپس آئیں گے
06:34تو اسرائیل اور ایران کے اندر جو کانفلکٹ ہے
06:37اس پر مزید بات کریں گے ہمارے ساتھ رہیے گا
06:39ہمارے ساتھ رہے ہیں
07:09اس مرحل رہا ہمارے جای چاہی آرین کام در مزیدی
07:12ایک پر اے ایرانی کام ہوا ہے
07:13ایرانی کام کافی کامی قر؛ جای ساتھ رہے ہیں
07:16ما استر ساتھ رہے ہیں
07:17جو آپ کی مسئل ساتھ رہے ہیں
07:18جو آپ کے پاکستان جو ایران کامید
07:20ایران کی کوئی بارہ ڈیران لے؟
07:20نمید ہمیدی ناظرین کو استعمالی أتراکیون
07:20نمید ناظرین کو ایرانی کامید
07:22ایران ہی کہای اکرامد
07:24is attacked mostly with the ballistic missiles while israel is bombing after uh bombing it is
07:32air defense systems which is very free over the skies of the iran for that reason that will
07:39continue for a couple of days but i do not think that it will go like this more than a week the
07:46implications will israel become able to deter iran having a nuclear weapon i don't think so
07:55unless united states participate because the nuclear facilities which iran is operating is
08:02under the ground and israel has not enough power to penetrate under the ground for that reason
08:08united states is very important in order to eliminate the nuclear facilities the cluster
08:14bombs that we keep on hearing the cluster bomb right yeah right right without the cluster bombs and
08:20strategic bombers and the tanker planes israel will not be able to penetrate to the uh underground
08:29facilities of the iran for that reason in the next coming days we will be able to see if united states
08:36will participate or not but as far as i can get from the open source intelligence netanyahu
08:44directly threatening uh trump administration if they do not help they will use uh nuclear weapons in
08:51order to eliminate the nuclear facilities of iran which is a big disaster especially in terms of uh
08:59huge refugee law uh to the neighboring countries including to care yeah so if and if this is a big if
09:09if the u.s becomes part of it we know that the u.s would be using its uh forward bases mostly based out of
09:15the middle east um do you see iran actually going after them because they are based in all muslim countries
09:23um that would sort of create an enormous situation which would totally go out of hand
09:28yeah yeah when the conflict started in any part of the world no can no one can guarantee it will stay
09:36on the spot so it will spread it might be spreading all over the region including
09:42iraq suda arabia jordan in case iran retaliate the u.s bases and during this retaliation if iran also
09:51bombs those countries like jordan suda arabia and iraq that can start also a regional conflict for that
09:58reason no one can guarantee because no one was knowing that during the first world war there will
10:05be a huge world world war after the archidic ferdinand was killed in the sarayev yeah so that may trigger
10:15so the way that the situation is developing i mean uh although it's creating jitters across the globe
10:22but regionally it's becoming a problem we've seen uh you know muslim countries in particular
10:28the oic and its member states coming and condemning the attack on iran if a situation develops in
10:35which israel's western allies actually move because we know that it doesn't look like a possibility and
10:42as you've also mentioned that a regime change which is obviously desired outcome out of this entire
10:48conflict cannot happen without boots on ground what would be the reaction of other nation states
10:55particularly muslim countries in the neighborhood yeah i i should uh clearly declare that uh if there
11:03is a muslim countries i'm not sure but without no doubt there are muslims uh alhamdulillah but muslim
11:12countries especially in the middle eastern region as the new uh ambassador of united states to turkey
11:20declared declared a couple of days ago are the out products of psychos pico agreement which was
11:26drawn a hundred years ago for that reason it is another story but there is a strong reaction from
11:34the muslim population of the countries especially for the gaza and there will be also for the iran
11:40iran lost its legitimacy especially during the suryan internal war because uh without no mercy
11:47kassim suleyman and his comrades killed innocent people inside surya and in the middle east but
11:55again if israel attacks iran iran will again gain its legitimacy in the middle east for that reason
12:06if israel attacks iran without no doubt it will gain legitimacy but a regime change without boots on the
12:13ground as you have said is impossible for that reason i do not think that there will be a regime
12:19change netanyahu's call over the iranian people has no effect because netanyahu a couple of days ago
12:27said that our enemy is the same we are both together against uh to the iranian regime so uprise them
12:36but i don't think that the iranians will listen a murderer uh for uprising the only idea in their
12:44mindset is to bring the shah again because the son of uh reza shah a couple of months ago was in israel
12:53in the jerusalem so taking all the orders but he can take from tel aviv
13:00uh again supporting shah family to return to iran means uh that they will establish a puppet state
13:09again which is very friendly with israel the meaning is that one last question before i
13:16leave you you survived we've seen that iran in the past had two major strategic allies and they were
13:24an understanding in agreements as well one was russia and the other one was china uh with russia it has
13:30almost a 25 years agreement with china it has almost a 20 years agreement we haven't seen much of a
13:36reaction in terms of kinetics coming in from both countries do you think that if in any possible
13:42scenario where you have boots on ground uh this would change if boots on the grounds on the iranian soil
13:52belongs to the americans and the israelis no doubt china and russia will be on the ground also but
13:58what i can say uh why russia and china is so silent especially since five days i think that russia also
14:08does not want a iran which is having a nuclear weapon also russia also may consider that a nuclear power of
14:15iran is a threat for the russia himself for that reason russia might not be wanting iran to enrich
14:23iranium to 90 percent which is very close now 60 percent that might be the main reason the second
14:30issue is that although china and iran has good relations with each other iran neglected china's power
14:39and defense industry and didn't uh procure china's uh complex uh war planes and air defense systems
14:49enough and we have seen we have seen this effect what is the meaning of what i am saying now
14:56building good relations with china in the india pakistan conflict in the recent uh war
15:02so and we've seen that uh iran's aerial capabilities as well as its uh s-300 defense system has not been
15:11able to actually counter on whatever is happening but one last question do you think that this is that
15:19there is going to be a political solution because what we're hearing around at this point it doesn't
15:24look like it's going to have a very very uh happy scenario in the near future uh i think that there
15:31might be a solution because the iranian uh leaders are very capable of making u-turns
15:39in the critical moments like in 2015 so i think that in the next coming hours there might be a peace table
15:48that iran may uh give up all its ambitions about nuclear weapons in order to protect its regime
15:57thank you very much dr youssef thank you for giving us time you're
16:00nاظرین آپ نے بات سنی آپ نے تجزیہ جو ہے سنا یوسف صاحب کا جو بتا رہے تھے کہ
16:06مشرق وستہ کے اندر جو situation develop ہو رہی ہے اگر تو اسرائیل اور اس کے
16:11allies جو ہے وہ مشرق وستہ کے basis سے جو ہے ایران کو attack کرتے ہیں تو پھر جو
16:16بڑے powers regional ہیں جس میں چائنا اور روس بھی ہیں اگر تو کوئی فوجی کاربائی ہوتی ہے
16:21زمین پر تو یہ دونوں ممالک بھی خاموش نہیں رہیں گے لیکن اس کے برعکس
16:25یوسف صاحب کا یہ خیال ہے کہ اس کا ایک political solution جو ہے ابھی بھی
16:30درکار ہے اور جو کافی ممکن ہے کہ اگر یہ situation جو ہے ایسی بنتی ہے
16:36جس میں مزید escalation ہوتی ہے اس کا کوئی نہ کوئی حل جو ہے وہ political
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