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00:00Allora, se siamo tutti, for all here today, Fuxia, why don't you sit down?
00:14Fuxia, are you going to join us?
00:17Yeah, no, I'm going to join you.
00:19Okay.
00:20Thank you, Fuxia.
00:22All right, let's call it.
00:23All right, so I believe we can begin.
00:31Let me turn off the phone.
00:33It's a busy news day, as it should be, in the Trump presidency.
00:39And funny, we should discuss the president or begin by talking to the busy news day,
00:47because today we will be talking about the first ladies.
00:50I'm really honored to have here with me Anita McBride, who is a historian.
00:58She wrote the book on the first lady.
01:01Remember the first ladies, their legacy, and making history, the legacies of America, history-making ladies.
01:10We will talk about the book.
01:11We will discuss the book.
01:12I would like to ask you a few questions and open the floors to a few questions about first ladies.
01:20But first, let me introduce to you l'onorevole Bergami, who will open the floor with remarks, institutional remarks.
01:29So we're very happy to have you here, l'onorevole.
01:32La ringrazio.
01:32Allora, buonasera a tutti.
01:38Ringrazio Maria Luisa.
01:40Saluto Anita.
01:42È una bellissima occasione questa qui di averla qui a Roma.
01:46Saluto la collega Laura Ravetto, che credo parlerà subito dopo di me.
01:51Il mio compito è intanto ringraziare Fucsia per aver voluto ospitare qui alla sala stampa della Camera
01:57la presentazione italiana di questo volume.
02:00Credo che sia un bellissimo segnale.
02:04Quindi mi fa piacere vedere tante persone e avere l'occasione un pochettino di ascoltarvi,
02:10di ascoltare Anita, parlare delle first ladies americane.
02:15Non nascondo che le first ladies americane hanno nell'immaginario collettivo nostrano sempre un grande fascino.
02:22L'Italia, non lo so se si deve definire un paese provinciale perché è molto affascinata dalle vicende politiche americane.
02:28Io non credo. Credo che sia semplicemente il rispetto per quella che è la più grande democrazia del mondo
02:32e quindi che ci sia attenzione.
02:35Dopodiché è chiaro che i poteri di un presidente degli Stati Uniti sono, rispetto alla struttura costituzionale del nostro paese,
02:45sono molto più grandi, sia di quelli del capo dello Stato italiano previsti dalla Costituzione
02:50che è del presidente del Consiglio e quindi, insomma, intorno al presidente degli Stati Uniti,
02:56alla coppia presidenziale, da sempre c'è un grandissimo interesse e c'è anche la giusta curiosità
03:03perché si tratta di luoghi di potere che spesso vivono e questo non lo descriviamo mai abbastanza,
03:10anche di dinamiche psicologiche.
03:12Dietro ogni scelta politica, anche la più importante, c'è sempre un quadro psicologico
03:18che noi non conosciamo, che noi ignoriamo e che ha fatto delle normali dinamiche fra le persone.
03:24Figuriamoci tra marito e moglie.
03:27E quindi è chiaro che avere un libro che racconta tante dinamiche alle spalle di scelte
03:35che di fatto connotano la dimensione geopolitica del mondo da sempre,
03:39perché da sempre gli Stati Uniti sono il paese più potente al mondo,
03:41beh, io non vedo l'ora di leggerlo, devo dire la verità.
03:46È chiaro che poi questa considerazione si estende a un'altra considerazione,
03:51cioè al fatto che noi oggi ospitiamo la presentazione di questo libro
03:56in una Italia che per la prima volta ha una presidente donna
04:01e che quindi ha fatto un grande passaggio di immaginario,
04:06non soltanto un grande passaggio politico, ma un grande passaggio di immaginario sociale,
04:10perché noi viviamo di modelli, l'istinto di emulazione è l'istinto più potente dell'essere umano
04:17e avere dei modelli femminili che funzionano significa consentire alle nostre bambine,
04:23alle nostre ragazze di poter scegliere dei modelli che le ispirino,
04:26che non siano sempre i soliti, quelli un po' stereotipati,
04:29che le generazioni che ci hanno preceduto hanno avuto e che erano pochi.
04:33È chiaro che per noi è una sfida, lo chiederei, ma sicuramente quando succederà
04:40che anche gli Stati Uniti, se è riuscita l'Italia, esprimeranno una donna alla presidenza degli Stati Uniti,
04:47ci siamo andati vicini, ma ad oggi non è accaduto.
04:50Io sono sicura, vedendo quello che sta succedendo in un paese più piccolo come il nostro,
04:54che quello quando avverrà sarà un passaggio strepitoso e di una profondità che noi non riusciamo neppure a immaginare.
05:03Quindi io me lo auguro, ma mi auguro che quando toccherà, toccherà una donna che se l'ha guadagnato,
05:11che sarà capace più che mai, perché sappiamo che le donne devono essere più brave degli uomini.
05:16Il mondo si aspetta questo e quindi io mi auguro che sarà veramente una donna all'altezza del grande compito che l'aspetta.
05:24Per ora noi impariamo dalle First Ladies, per ora noi esercitiamo la nostra curiosità su quanta influenza abbiamo avuto
05:32Nancy Reagan, piuttosto che Laura Bush, Iliana Roosevelt, che è stata una grande cambiatrice di costumi,
05:39fino ad arrivare alle First Ladies più recenti, naturalmente Jill Biden che introduce il testo.
05:46È chiaro che io credo che queste donne, Michelle Obama e Hillary Clinton,
05:50è chiaro che queste donne, poi alcune di loro hanno anche raccontato apertamente,
05:55ho letto la topografia per esempio di Michelle Obama,
05:57e si capisce perfettamente da quel racconto quanto rilevante fosse per il Presidente degli Stati Uniti
06:03la presenza della moglie, il passato insieme,
06:07quante volte non si è visto evitare tanti errori grazie all'intervento di una First Ladies.
06:15Quindi è tutta una controstoria che probabilmente non conosceremmo mai
06:20se non ci fossero ricercatrici, studiosi, autrici che studiano, si documentano e ci raccontano questa parte.
06:28Io penso che abbiano avuto un ruolo ognuna di loro, solo con la loro personalità,
06:33perché poi un Presidente degli Stati Uniti prima di essere eletto ci deve arrivare fino lì,
06:37ci arriva con una moglie.
06:39Quindi io credo che dietro la storia statunitense sicuramente ci sia una componente femminile
06:46che anche se non è assurda il ruolo principale, ha comunque giocato il ruolo principale,
06:50ha fatto la storia, e il mio auspicio è che continuerà a farla, ma con qualche protagonismo in più.
06:58Grazie mille, grazie mille.
07:01Grazie mille, grazie mille.
07:31Grazie mille, grazie mille, grazie mille.
07:36Grazie mille.
07:39Grazie mille, grazie mille a vяв idealmente,
07:44ma alla puntata alla prossima di tenereon,
07:49alle utilità e alle testate del det stellen,
07:51Strictly linked, I had
07:53Honestly also the idea
07:55When Fucsia was in the
07:57Chamber, because we usually
07:59Were talking about
08:01Differences between the two countries
08:03And I think that both the countries can
08:05Really well interact, for example
08:07When we talk about meritocracy
08:09I've been working in the U.S. and
08:11Meritocracy there was really the rule
08:13And so in Italy also we're
08:15Trying to do this, also
08:17When we speak about women
08:19Because in Italy we have the idea
08:21That women has to grow
08:23Has to reach
08:25Further steps
08:27But with merit
08:28And this is the things
08:31That the U.S. has already done
08:33In Italy we are trying, we have a
08:35Great president that is a woman
08:37We have many
08:39Representatives in the parliament
08:41But maybe in the market
08:43We need to make
08:45Some steps again, because we have
08:47Not so many directors, I think
08:49About directors of newspapers
08:51Directors of banks
08:52We need to improve
08:54So this is, I mean
08:55The discussion
08:57But I think that
08:59Within this discussion
09:00There is another revolution
09:02And it's a revolution
09:04Brought by a book like this
09:06The revolution is
09:08Okay, ladies
09:09We need to improve
09:11We need to take advantage
09:14Of other roles
09:15But we can also
09:16Maintain the traditional roles
09:19But a different perspective
09:21I mean
09:22This book says
09:23Okay, we are waiting
09:24For the first man
09:25Am I waiting for the first man?
09:28I will be very happy
09:29That we will be a president
09:30In the U.S.
09:31But
09:32We are saying to our child
09:34And I'm saying child
09:35Because you have a child
09:36She came with you
09:38At the White House
09:39She understood from you
09:40I have a child
09:41Seven years old
09:42Is a daughter
09:42She came at the chamber
09:44But what I want to transmit to her
09:46Okay, you can be president
09:47But you can also be a first lady
09:49Because being a first lady
09:52Doesn't mean that you are less
09:53Being first lady
09:55Meaning that
09:56You are
09:56Nearby the president
09:58Even if Jackie
09:59Jackie Kennedy
09:59I know
10:00She didn't want to be called
10:02First lady
10:03She wanted Mrs. President
10:04Okay, whenever
10:05But you can deal
10:07With the different perspective
10:09Of the presidency
10:10Because sometimes
10:12The president
10:13Has the responsibility
10:15To be the part of his party
10:19I mean, sorry
10:19Maybe in Italian
10:20Would be better
10:21But just to represent
10:22The values of a party
10:23Represent the values
10:25Of a community
10:25The first lady
10:27Can be more
10:27I don't know in English
10:29She's transversal
10:31In Italian
10:31It's transversale
10:32Dealing with things
10:34That can teach
10:35Touch everybody
10:36Without being necessarily
10:38On a particular
10:40Political part
10:41I'm thinking
10:42All the first lady
10:43That dealt with education
10:44For example
10:45I mean
10:46The first lady
10:47That like Michelle Obama
10:49Dealt with
10:49The feeding
10:52The good food
10:53Etc
10:54It seems
10:55Yeah, exercise
10:56It seems that
10:57It's second level
10:59Issues
11:00They are not
11:00They are high level issues
11:02And sometimes
11:03The presidency
11:03Is not
11:04In the possibility
11:05To deal with that
11:06Without looking
11:07At this
11:08You know
11:09Companion
11:09Of the party
11:10And the first lady
11:12Can do this
11:13In a more open way
11:15And also
11:16I know that we had
11:17Tell me if it is true
11:19But we had
11:20First ladies
11:21That changed the constitution
11:23Because first lady
11:24Is not in the constitution
11:26But a first lady
11:27Changed the constitution
11:28Because she
11:29Had an impact
11:31Of the vote
11:31In the US
11:32For women
11:33So maybe
11:34I would be happy
11:36For the future
11:37To have the first man
11:38But also to have
11:39The first lady
11:40In the constitution
11:41Because now
11:42It's changed so much
11:44During the years
11:46That probably this role
11:47Is really a critical role
11:49To have a person
11:51Maybe a first man
11:52I don't know
11:52A person dealing
11:54With issues
11:54That not always
11:56The president
11:57Can deal with
11:58And with a perspective
11:59That it's different
12:01From a precedency
12:02So thanks for this book
12:03Thanks especially
12:04For the book
12:05Of your daughter
12:07Because I will
12:08Give to Clarissa
12:09Because Deborah
12:11Is right
12:11We need model role
12:13And this is our
12:14Perfect model role
12:16So sorry for the English
12:17I think that you
12:18Now she has
12:19To make the same question
12:20Who haven't understood
12:22My English
12:22And I can repeat
12:23In Italian
12:24Thank you
12:28Thank you
12:58Thank you
13:28So I will consider you
13:30An academic
13:31A scholar
13:32A good friend
13:33And a fabulous author
13:35Thank you
13:36So in light of this
13:37In light of the 67 countries
13:39That you have taken
13:40Laura Bush
13:41Tell us a little bit
13:44About what it's like
13:46To run
13:47An office
13:49For the first lady
13:50But there are mysteries
13:51About the White House
13:52And we know the Oval Office
13:55We go to the Oval Office
13:57And what happens
13:58Over on the other side
13:59That's the most interesting place
14:02And I think a lot of people
14:03Would like to know
14:04And then we'll talk about
14:05Your favorite first lady
14:06And you'll tell us
14:07Sure
14:07Sure
14:08Thank you
14:09First of all
14:10I want to say
14:11Thank you to Fuchsia
14:12For organizing this
14:13For reaching out
14:14To me
14:15Saying you're coming to Italy
14:16On the National Italian
14:17American Foundation
14:18Annual mission trip
14:20We're here in the
14:20Beautiful Lazio region
14:22This year
14:23And she said
14:24Would you like to
14:24Present your book
14:25I look for any opportunity
14:27To share the stories
14:29Of first ladies
14:30I want to thank both of you
14:32For you really
14:34Either read the book
14:35Or you really
14:36You've researched beautifully
14:38You understand
14:39You've described
14:40Both of you
14:41How multifaceted
14:42This role is
14:43From being a wife
14:45And mother first
14:46In addition to having
14:47These opportunities
14:49To have impact
14:50On public policy
14:51But also
14:53At the global diplomacy role
14:54That they are responsible for
14:56The fact that they really
14:57Do have such an impact
14:58On our culture
14:59I had such an opportunity
15:02I had a front row seat
15:04To history
15:05Not one time
15:06Not twice
15:07But three times
15:08In three different administrations
15:10The Reagan administration
15:12Where I got started
15:13Right after
15:14President Reagan won
15:15In 1981
15:16And then I worked
15:18For the father Bush
15:19George H.W. Bush
15:21I saw Barbara Bush
15:22In this role
15:23But then coming back
15:25To the White House
15:26In the administration
15:28Of George W. Bush
15:29And being asked
15:30To be Laura Bush's
15:31Chief of Staff
15:33Is not
15:33It's not a position
15:34That you apply for
15:36You just
15:37There's not an application
15:39For it
15:39You get a point
15:40I was asked
15:42In fact
15:43I had already been working
15:45For George W. Bush
15:47On the White House side
15:48On the West Wing side
15:49I lived through 9-11
15:51And all the changes
15:53That we had to make
15:54To the White House
15:55After that
15:56And then I went to work
15:57To the State Department
15:58I worked for Secretary Powell
16:00That's where I got very involved
16:01In the U.S. Afghan
16:02Women's Council
16:03But after George W. Bush
16:05Won re-election
16:06In 2004
16:08Mrs. Bush
16:09Was looking
16:09To get a new
16:10Chief of Staff
16:11Because her
16:12Chief of Staff
16:13For the first term
16:14Who was from Texas
16:15Who was with her
16:16In Texas
16:18When she was
16:19First Lady of Texas
16:20She wanted to go back home
16:21Her Chief of Staff
16:22Wanted to go back to Texas
16:23So Mrs. Bush needed
16:24A new Chief of Staff
16:26I literally got a phone call
16:28From the White House
16:29Operator
16:29When I was
16:30Picking up my children
16:32From school
16:33And it was
16:34The White House
16:34Operator
16:35Saying that
16:37Right, exactly
16:38Saying that
16:39Mrs. Bush's office
16:40Was on the phone
16:41And wanted to talk to you
16:42So I accepted
16:44The call
16:46Of course
16:46Was invited
16:47To come meet
16:48With Mrs. Bush
16:49At the White House
16:50In the residence
16:51We met for an hour
16:53And a half
16:54And she talked to me
16:55About her vision
16:56For the second term
16:57What she wanted to do
16:59And one of the first things
17:01She said to me
17:02Was
17:03I want to go to Afghanistan
17:05She had been working
17:06With Afghan women
17:08Supporting them
17:09Since the war on terror
17:10In 2001
17:11But she had been
17:12Very frustrated
17:13That she had never
17:14Been able to visit there
17:15And so I thought to myself
17:17Immediately
17:18This is going to be
17:20A very different position
17:22Than what I had understood
17:24In the past
17:25About a chief of staff role
17:27For the first lady
17:27You manage some domestic issues
17:30You manage all the social events
17:32At the White House
17:33It is a
17:34You know
17:35A really interesting role
17:36But that told me
17:38Laura Bush had a different vision
17:39For how she wanted to act
17:41In the second term
17:42Anita
17:43A high ranking
17:45Very high ranking
17:45Official of the UN
17:47Told me several times
17:48That Laura Bush
17:49And then we'll talk about
17:50The other first lady
17:51Oh
17:52A very high ranking
17:54UN official
17:55Still
17:57In charge
17:59At the UN
18:00Told me that
18:00Several times
18:01Mrs. Bush
18:02Laura Bush
18:03Called up
18:04The Secretary General
18:05To push
18:06To ask
18:07To advocate
18:08For Afghani women
18:10Were you the woman
18:11Making the calls
18:12Or were you the woman
18:13Behind the phone
18:14Helping to set up
18:15The calls for sure
18:16She also got very involved
18:17With the UN
18:18On issues related
18:19To Myanmar
18:20And Burma
18:21And made a very historic
18:23Trip to the refugee camps
18:24On the border
18:25Between Burma
18:26And Thailand
18:27And that was a trip
18:29That I did organize
18:30And I did arrange
18:31And I was working
18:32With the UN
18:33On that
18:34But yes
18:36You know what
18:36But here's the interesting
18:38Thing about
18:39Laura Bush
18:40She was not the loudest
18:41Voice in the room
18:42But she was very effective
18:44She had a quiet way
18:46On how she did her work
18:48And one of the things
18:50That she told me
18:51In the interview
18:52Which was really important
18:53Was she said
18:55I'm not here for me
18:57I'm here for George
18:59And because of George
19:00Meaning that
19:01She's not the elected official
19:03He is
19:04It's his administration
19:06His policies
19:07But where she could use
19:09Her background
19:09Her experience
19:11To help
19:12That's what she wanted to do
19:13How powerful are
19:16First ladies
19:16And how powerful
19:18First ladies
19:19Have been
19:20Throughout history
19:22And we all know
19:22About the Washington
19:23She brought the money
19:24She brought the wherewithal
19:26She brought the
19:27She supported the
19:29Revolutionary troops
19:30She did
19:31And then it was
19:33I want to move
19:33With her
19:34Very difficult life
19:36Right
19:36I would say
19:37And going through
19:38I guess
19:39The infidelities
19:40And infidelities
19:42Tough life
19:43Hillary Clinton
19:44Right
19:45Michelle Obama
19:46Right
19:46Jill Biden
19:47Well this is an interesting question
19:53And you alluded to
19:54The constitution
19:55And this is really important
19:57To understand about
19:58United States
19:59History
20:00And how we developed
20:02As a nation
20:03Which we're slow
20:04In some aspects
20:05You already have
20:06A female head
20:07Of government here
20:09We're not there yet
20:10We came close
20:11But we're not there yet
20:12But how has the role
20:13Of women evolved
20:14Over the history
20:15Of our country
20:16Which is a theme
20:18In this book
20:19On how first ladies
20:21Have been able to adapt
20:22To the changing role
20:23Of women
20:24So back to the constitution
20:26There are only
20:2735 words
20:29In the United States
20:30Constitution
20:30For the president's
20:32Oath of office
20:3235 words
20:33Not very many
20:35But there is not
20:36One word
20:37About the first lady
20:38And what her role
20:39Is or should be
20:41Because there is
20:42No constitutional authority
20:44And the title
20:45Of this book
20:46Remember the first ladies
20:47Is taken directly
20:49From our second
20:50First lady
20:51Abigail Adams
20:52Who told her husband
20:54When he was writing
20:55The constitution
20:56To remember the ladies
20:58Be better to them
21:00Than your ancestors
21:01Had been
21:01Include them
21:03In the forming
21:04Of the nation
21:05It was 133 years
21:08Before the constitution
21:09Was amended
21:11For women
21:12To have the right
21:13To vote
21:13And first lady
21:14Florence harding
21:15Was a proponent
21:16A champion
21:17And the first first lady
21:18To actually vote
21:19For a president
21:21Which happened
21:22To be her husband
21:23So it's a slow
21:25Evolutionary process
21:26But the important
21:28Thing to remember
21:28Is as the role
21:30Of women
21:30Has changed in society
21:32How these women
21:33Who are seen
21:34As leaders
21:35How they have helped
21:36To push the nation
21:37Forward
21:37How they adapted
21:39Or maybe
21:40Where they retreated
21:41There are some
21:42Who did not
21:43Feel comfortable
21:44With a public role
21:45In public life
21:48And preferred
21:49To be the wives
21:51The mothers
21:51Or worked
21:52Behind the scenes
21:53So again
21:54It's a revolutionary
21:55Process
21:56But modern first ladies
21:58We have really come
21:59To expect
22:00That they use
22:01That position
22:02For something valuable
22:04That helps the nation
22:05Helps people
22:06Either at home
22:07Or around the world
22:08And so that's it
22:11And I would have to
22:12Eleanor Roosevelt
22:13Of course
22:14Really helped
22:16To change the view
22:18Of what a first lady
22:19Could do
22:19She also had 12 years
22:22To do the job
22:23Of right
22:24There were four terms
22:25That her husband
22:26Was elected
22:27He didn't serve
22:28All four of course
22:30But she was extremely active
22:32And she also did not want
22:35To be first lady
22:36She worried the role
22:37Would limit her
22:39Because before she came
22:41To the White House
22:42She was a public speaker
22:44She made money
22:45As a journalist
22:46She wrote articles
22:47She had a radio show
22:49She was making
22:50She was very active
22:53In politics
22:53And her husband
22:55Did not want her
22:56To have a public role
22:57As first lady
22:58It was very, very
22:59Difficult for her
22:59But she pushed up
23:01Against it
23:01And changed really
23:03The model
23:03Of a first lady
23:05And how we expect
23:06Them to use
23:07The position
23:08And that's the question
23:09I was going to ask
23:09When did the role
23:10Of the first lady
23:11Change from being
23:13Public
23:14A private figure
23:16Public confidant
23:17Or vice versa
23:18When did the role
23:19Of the first lady
23:20Really change
23:21And who do you think
23:22Broke the ground
23:23On that
23:24Well certainly
23:25In the 20th century
23:26Eleanor Roosevelt
23:27Definitely did
23:28When we get
23:29To more modern times
23:32Of course
23:32And you have
23:33Women who are
23:34Coming into this role
23:35Who had jobs
23:37Like Hillary Clinton
23:38Before she became
23:40First lady
23:40She was not
23:41She was first lady
23:42Of her state
23:43Of course
23:43But she was a partner
23:44In a law firm
23:45She was highly skilled
23:46In a domestic issue
23:48Healthcare reform
23:49Children's issues
23:51And she was also
23:55A new generation
23:57Now right
23:58Because the women
23:59Who preceded her
24:00Were the women
24:00Of the World War II
24:01Generation
24:02Barbara Bush
24:03Nancy Reagan
24:03Rosalind Carter
24:04Betty Ford
24:05Even though Betty Ford
24:06Was an activist
24:07And really did use
24:09Her voice
24:09To push for the
24:11Equal rights amendment
24:12For women
24:12Her husband's advisers
24:14Did not want her
24:15To do that
24:16Because they felt
24:17Politically
24:18It would damage
24:19His ability
24:20To run
24:20For president
24:22But she did it anyway
24:25And she helped
24:27To really change
24:28The narrative
24:28Against a backdrop
24:30Of a wave
24:32Of feminism
24:33In the country
24:34And frankly
24:34Around the world
24:35But really
24:35In the United States
24:37That had greater
24:38Expectations
24:39For what women
24:41Could do
24:41With their lives
24:42And move beyond
24:44Being wives
24:45And mothers
24:45So by the time
24:47Hillary Clinton
24:48Gets there
24:48Is the first
24:49Baby boomer
24:51First lady
24:52Highly educated
24:54Full time employee
24:56She was the breadwinner
24:57In their family
24:58Bill Clinton
24:59Never really made a dime
25:01Worth anything
25:01And so she comes
25:04Into the role
25:05He gives her
25:06A responsibility
25:08To run
25:09He gives her
25:10Healthcare reform
25:12To run
25:12To manage
25:13One of the most
25:14Complicated
25:15Most controversial
25:17Domestic issues
25:18That we had seen
25:19Up until that time
25:20Healthcare reform
25:22And it failed
25:23Why did it fail?
25:24Not because she
25:25Wasn't skilled
25:26She was very
25:27Very skilled
25:28She knew the issues
25:29But it was the way
25:31That it was managed
25:32It was not transparent
25:34It was behind
25:35Closed doors
25:36The American public
25:38Was not prepared
25:39For her to have
25:41Such a powerful role
25:43Executing on policy
25:45Where she was not
25:46Elected to do
25:47And in her own memoir
25:49Which was really
25:50Interesting
25:51Because I re-read
25:52Her own memoir
25:53She said
25:54If she had to do it
25:55Over again
25:56She would not have
25:58Accepted
25:58The position
26:00To run
26:00The initiative
26:01She would have
26:02Worked behind
26:02The scenes
26:03She would have
26:04Been an advocate
26:05She would have
26:06Helped support
26:07The players
26:08Who could actually
26:09Move the legislation
26:10Forward
26:11The other thing
26:12She said
26:12That she would not
26:14Have done
26:14She would never
26:15Have put her office
26:17In the west wing
26:18She put her office
26:19In the president's
26:20Domain
26:21That sent a signal
26:22To the country
26:23That they were
26:24Not ready for
26:25Again
26:26She was not
26:27Not the elected
26:27Official
26:28And after healthcare
26:29Failed
26:30She never used
26:32That office again
26:32So it's just
26:34An example
26:34My point to raise
26:35That is
26:36It's not
26:36That women
26:37Don't have the
26:38Skills
26:38Don't have the
26:39Background
26:39Can't help
26:40The nation
26:41Move forward
26:42On certain issues
26:42It's the way
26:44That it's done
26:45It's what the
26:46Country is ready
26:47To accept
26:48Or not
26:49And how do
26:51First ladies
26:51Help the country
26:53Because I think
26:53The point of the book
26:54Is the evolution
26:55Of the figure
26:56Of the first lady
26:56How does the figure
26:58Of the first lady
26:58From Martha
26:59To Eleanor
27:00To Nancy Reagan
27:02Another fabulous
27:03Interesting figure
27:05And you describe her
27:05Really well
27:06In your book
27:07She was groundbreaking
27:08Just like
27:09But she was behind
27:11Right
27:11She was working
27:12Behind the scenes
27:13How does the first lady
27:15Help evolve
27:17I guess the issue
27:18Of the presidency
27:19And how do they
27:20Help preserve the role
27:22But also advance
27:23The role of the first lady
27:24Well there's no doubt
27:26That they are
27:27Generally
27:28Throughout our history
27:29First ladies have been
27:30The most important
27:32Confidant
27:33Of a president
27:33It's the only advisor
27:35Who really
27:36Cannot get fired
27:37Right
27:38They're married
27:39They have their home
27:40They have their husband
27:41They have their family
27:43They're a very different
27:45Advisor
27:45They can be honest
27:47And Betty Ford
27:49As she would say
27:50That that pillow talk
27:51Is very very valuable
27:53Where you're not
27:54Publicly criticizing
27:56The president
27:56Or telling them
27:57Where they should
27:58Do something different
27:59But behind the scenes
28:00You're really adding value
28:02Nancy Reagan
28:03Definitely
28:04Was not afraid
28:06To speak her mind
28:07To her husband
28:08But she also
28:09Utilized some
28:11Pretty significant
28:12Authority
28:13Over personnel decisions
28:16And then of course
28:18On the global platform
28:20She did
28:21Because she really believed
28:22Her husband
28:23Could do something great
28:25And that he could
28:26Really transform
28:27And change the world
28:28She did not care
28:29About her own
28:31Personal reputation
28:32She didn't care
28:33About her own publicity
28:35If she had
28:36She might have
28:37Done things differently
28:38Nancy Reagan
28:38Had a terrible
28:40First year
28:40Terrible first year
28:42She just
28:42She did
28:43You know
28:44Things that were
28:45Unpopular
28:46Spending a lot of money
28:47On things
28:48In the White House
28:49Even though it was
28:50Not taxpayer money
28:51It was private money
28:52From the White House
28:53Historical Association
28:54But the country
28:55Was going through
28:56A recession
28:57Right
28:57The country
28:58Was going through
28:59A recession
28:59And to buy
29:00China
29:00For the White House
29:02People did not
29:03Understand
29:04Why would you
29:05You know
29:05Do that
29:06So
29:07She had to
29:09And then her husband
29:10Was almost
29:11Assassinated
29:11And that
29:13She never
29:13Overcame that fear
29:15She said
29:16Every night
29:16She went to bed
29:17She looked at her husband
29:18She could never
29:19Get the images
29:20Out of her mind
29:21Of when he was
29:23Laying in the hospital
29:24Almost dying
29:25But she used
29:27Her position
29:27Behind the scenes
29:28She had impact
29:29On personnel
29:30She had impact
29:32On his legacy
29:33No doubt about it
29:34She felt
29:36He could be
29:37A bridge builder
29:37She pushed out
29:38Some of the people
29:39That worked
29:40Around him
29:41That were much
29:42More aggressive
29:43On
29:44Vis-a-vis
29:45The Soviet Union
29:46Where she felt
29:47He should have
29:48More dialogue
29:49And
29:50And really
29:50Worked hard
29:51To do that
29:52She was a full-fledged
29:53Advisor
29:53She 100%
29:55She was
29:56Like
29:56Like Harry Truman
29:58Who never made a decision
29:59Without consulting
30:00With Bess Truman
30:01The first lady
30:02You hear almost
30:02Nothing about
30:03But she was
30:04Highly influential
30:06And Nancy Raven
30:07Was the same way
30:08To your knowledge
30:09And then I'd like
30:10To open
30:10To the floor
30:12To the questions
30:12Because this is
30:13Fascinating to me
30:14I'm the U.S.
30:15Correspondent
30:15And I wish I could
30:16Do it in Italian
30:17I'm sorry
30:18For people
30:18That are not getting
30:19In Italian
30:19Do you want me
30:20To translate
30:20Because this is
30:21Really fascinating
30:21Maybe some of the
30:22You're okay
30:23Anybody
30:23Are you all good
30:24With the English
30:25Okay
30:25I think so
30:26I recognize this crowd
30:28Because I feel
30:28I speak a little
30:30But not enough
30:31To go through
30:31The technical things
30:32Okay
30:33You speak perfect English
30:34Perfect English
30:36Thank you
30:36Wonderful Italian
30:37And I'm sure
30:38You could carry
30:39This conversation
30:40In Italian
30:40However
30:41To make it
30:42I guess more fluid
30:43We might go on
30:45With English
30:47Do all the first ladies
30:48Get that pillow talk
30:49Because there's been
30:50Talk about
30:51First ladies
30:52I don't want to talk
30:53About infidelities
30:54Because this is not
30:54A gossip session
30:55But there are
30:56Some rough patches
30:57In any marriage
30:58And so there should be
31:00Or there are
31:01With first lady
31:03And the president
31:04Do they all get
31:05That pillow talk
31:06Do they all get
31:06That influence
31:07Do they all get
31:08To have the last word
31:09On the president
31:09That's a very good question
31:12And of course
31:12You brought up
31:13The example
31:13Earlier of Eleanor Roosevelt
31:15Who had a very difficult
31:17Marriage with her
31:17You know
31:18She had discovered
31:19That he was unfaithful
31:20To her
31:20Before he came
31:23To the White House
31:24It's while he was
31:24You know
31:25Serving as governor
31:26And of New York
31:28And she wanted
31:29To leave him
31:30And it was
31:31Franklin Roosevelt's
31:33Mother
31:33Sarah Roosevelt
31:35Sarah Eleanor Roosevelt
31:37Who was very
31:38Very strong
31:39Who told her son
31:41If she leaves you
31:42You will never
31:43Have a future
31:44In politics
31:45And really forced
31:47The two of them
31:48To stay together
31:49But not without
31:51You know
31:52Some concessions
31:53And that was
31:55For her to have
31:56A public life
31:56Of her own
31:57And so
31:58She did become
32:00Extremely important
32:01To his presidency
32:02She was his eyes
32:04And ears
32:04She traveled for him
32:05She was his legs
32:07Because he was paralyzed
32:08Most Americans
32:09Didn't know
32:10At the time
32:11It was hidden
32:11That he was in
32:12A wheelchair
32:14And had paralysis
32:16From polio
32:17But so
32:19She became
32:20Extremely influential
32:21But she did it
32:22On her terms
32:24But they led
32:25Separate lives
32:26They really did
32:27Lead separate lives
32:28So that is
32:31One example
32:32What about some
32:33Modern first ladies
32:34That you might think
32:35Have had
32:35A difficult time
32:37With their spouses
32:38And you know
32:39Listen
32:39Jacqueline Kennedy
32:40Jacqueline Kennedy
32:41Jackie Kennedy
32:42Jackie Kennedy
32:43knew how
32:43That's why
32:44She was
32:45Very pivotal first lady
32:46Has left a legacy
32:47Of her own
32:49She chose
32:50An issue
32:50Of historic preservation
32:52The founding
32:52Of the historical association
32:54Because she knew
32:55There would never
32:56Be enough
32:57Government money
32:57To maintain
32:58The White House
32:59And the museum
33:00Quality
33:00That it deserved
33:01Her husband
33:02Did not want her
33:03To work on
33:04Historic preservation
33:05He felt the perception
33:06That it was
33:07An elitist issue
33:09To be involved
33:10And most Americans
33:11Would not connect
33:12With it at all
33:13But she found
33:14A way
33:15To protect
33:16You know
33:16Herself
33:17And her interests
33:18While her husband
33:19Really deeply
33:20Hurt her heart
33:21With his infidelities
33:24That she knew about
33:25It was not really
33:25In the public
33:27She would often
33:27Lead the White House
33:28She'd go
33:29To Virginia
33:30She'd ride her horses
33:31She'd travel
33:32She came to Italy
33:32Numerous times
33:33She went traveling
33:34With her sister
33:35It wasn't until
33:37Really the summer
33:38Of 1963
33:39After they had lost
33:41You know
33:41Another child
33:42Where they really
33:43Started to become
33:45Close again
33:46And then as we know
33:47His final foreign trip
33:48Was to this country
33:49It was in Italy
33:51And he said
33:52I'm going to come
33:53Back here with Jackie
33:55And of course
33:55Then he died
33:56He was assassinated
33:58But she found
34:00A way to protect
34:01Herself
34:02Her interests
34:02Protect her children
34:03She did not want
34:05Her children
34:05To be publicized
34:07Whenever she traveled
34:09Though
34:09The president
34:10Found ways
34:10To get them photographed
34:12Because he knew
34:13And there's so many
34:14Iconic photos
34:15He knew
34:16The American people
34:17Wanted to connect
34:18With a young
34:19First family
34:20So she
34:22So that's an example
34:24Of you know
34:25Modern times
34:25That was quite difficult
34:27But the press
34:28Protected it
34:29You know
34:30It was not widely known
34:31And is it different now
34:33The press sometimes protects
34:35In the case of Jill Biden
34:37And I do not
34:37The preface of this book
34:38Is by Jill Biden
34:40And I recommend anyone
34:41To read it
34:42Because she is
34:43The ultimate
34:44I think example
34:45Of the quintessential
34:46First lady
34:47Living in modern times
34:49She did
34:49But handling a very
34:50Traditional role
34:51And she
34:51She was the gatekeeper
34:52Of the president
34:53Of the Biden presidency
34:54Yes she was
34:54And she also
34:55But what she did
34:55That was really interesting
34:56In moving the model forward
34:58On first ladies
35:00Is she was the first
35:01To have a job
35:01Outside the white house
35:03Dr. Biden
35:03As a teacher
35:05Which is why
35:06She agreed to write
35:07The foreword
35:08For the textbook
35:08Because it was
35:09The first
35:10The textbook
35:10That we did
35:11That came before this
35:12Was the first textbook
35:13Ever
35:14In our country
35:15Anywhere
35:16Actually
35:16On first ladies
35:17And she agreed
35:19To write it
35:19Because she was
35:20A professor
35:20And she was
35:21A first lady
35:22And her voice
35:23Really added
35:24A lot of value
35:27And validity
35:28To us doing it
35:29But so she helped
35:31To move the model
35:32Forward
35:32That is a modern
35:34View of the role
35:36For sure
35:37She also
35:38You know
35:38Right now
35:39In our country
35:40There's a huge
35:40Debate going on
35:42As to how
35:43Influential and powerful
35:44That her role was
35:46As there are questions
35:48Daily
35:49About President Biden's
35:51Cognitive ability
35:52In the time
35:52That he was serving
35:53You know
35:54As president
35:55Especially in the last
35:56Couple of years
35:57And there's no way
35:59People feel
36:00That a family
36:01A couple
36:02That is that close
36:04And they are
36:05Very very close
36:06Loving couple
36:07That she could not know
36:09So it's a debate
36:10That's going on
36:11Right now
36:11Books are being written
36:12It's going to be
36:13Obviously very difficult
36:15For the family
36:16To deal with that
36:17And push back
36:17Against it
36:18But you can understand
36:21Why those questions
36:25Are there
36:26So she doesn't come
36:27Close to what
36:29Edith Wilson did
36:31President Woodrow Wilson
36:33Who had had a stroke
36:34In 1917
36:35For 17 months
36:3817 months
36:39The cabinet
36:41Of the United States
36:42Did not see
36:44The president
36:44Of the United States
36:45Not once
36:46One member of Congress
36:48Did
36:48The vice president
36:49Saw him once
36:50Mrs. Wilson
36:52Controlled all access
36:54To the president
36:55Every document
36:56That came in
36:57And went out
36:58In her memoir
36:59She disputes that
37:00She said she did not
37:01Do that
37:01But there's absolutely
37:02No way
37:03That that's not true
37:04That was an extraordinary
37:05Overreach of power
37:07Ultimately
37:08In talking about
37:09The constitution again
37:10Our constitution
37:11Was amended
37:12For the 25th amendment
37:14To the constitution
37:15Which dictates
37:17If a president
37:17Is incapacitated
37:18That the position
37:20That goes to the vice president
37:21Or if the vice president
37:23Is incapacitated
37:24It goes to the next in line
37:25Which is the speaker
37:26Of the house
37:27Mrs. Wilson's actions
37:29Contributed greatly
37:30To a change
37:31In our constitution
37:32Not by her choice
37:33But ultimately
37:34You know
37:35By necessity
37:36By her actions
37:37By her actions
37:38That at the time
37:39Were hidden
37:40By lack of social media
37:41Right
37:42Or lack of complacent media
37:44If we want to call it
37:44But times are very different
37:46I have so many questions
37:47But I have to
37:48And I'll try and be shorter
37:49In my answers
37:50It's fascinating
37:51Because this is not only history
37:52This shows us
37:54The segue
37:55First lady
37:56To the most
37:57I guess
37:57Modern first lady
37:59Of all
38:00That completely returned
38:02Joe Biden
38:02I need to ask about
38:03Melania Trump
38:04Yes absolutely
38:05Melania Trump
38:06I believe
38:06Is one of the most
38:07Prominent figures
38:09In American
38:11I wouldn't say politics
38:13But she's very influential
38:15On her own
38:16Far more popular
38:17Than her husband
38:18In her first term
38:19And first ladies
38:19Usually are
38:20More popular
38:23Than their husbands
38:23And they help out
38:24Too
38:24And they have power
38:25They help out
38:26The presidents too
38:28I guess
38:28Put forth their agenda
38:30How different is
38:31Melania Trump's
38:33First term
38:34Actually second term
38:35To the first
38:35To the first term
38:36What do you see
38:38We can see it
38:39Yes of course
38:40And I think
38:41The American people
38:42Can see it too
38:43There's a very different
38:44View and acceptance
38:46Of her
38:46This time
38:47Than there was
38:48The first time
38:48My personal view
38:52On a couple of things
38:53First of all
38:53Mrs. Trump
38:55Becomes the American
38:56First lady
38:57In 2016
38:58After only having
38:59Been an American
39:00Citizen for 10 years
39:01This is not
39:02Her first language
39:03She's never been
39:04In politics
39:05She's married
39:06To a highly
39:07Controversial figure
39:09In our country
39:11And in our politics
39:12And she's thrust
39:13Into this situation
39:14She has a young child
39:16Who's still
39:18In school
39:18And she makes
39:21A really important
39:23Decision
39:24That she was criticized
39:25For but actually
39:26Was an example
39:28Of how she helped
39:29To move
39:30The position
39:31Of first lady
39:32Forward
39:32And what's that decision
39:34The decision
39:35To not move
39:36To the white house
39:37Right away
39:37No first lady
39:38Had done that
39:39Really before
39:40In modern times
39:41And her point
39:44Was
39:45Because she was
39:46Going to wait
39:46For her son
39:47To get out
39:47Of school
39:47She took a lot
39:49Of criticism
39:49For that
39:50There were questions
39:50Is Ivanka Trump
39:51Going to actually
39:52Be the real first lady
39:54And Mrs. Trump
39:55Doesn't really want
39:55To do it
39:56That was not
39:57The case at all
39:57What she did
39:59Really was help
40:00To move the model
40:01Forward
40:01For every first lady
40:03Or if it's a man
40:05Occupant
40:05But who does not
40:06Want to come
40:07Right away
40:08Move to the white house
40:09Right away
40:09She broke that ground
40:11For them
40:11And so that was
40:13Precedent setting
40:15I think
40:16Things that she did do
40:18In the first term
40:19That she got very
40:20Little credit for
40:21Speaking differently
40:24Than her husband
40:25Talking about
40:26COVID
40:27On several issues
40:28COVID was one of them
40:30When he was telling
40:31The American people
40:32From the Oval Office
40:33You don't have to wear a mask
40:34You don't have to
40:35Social distance
40:36Mrs. Trump
40:37Was recording
40:38Announcements
40:39For the media
40:41For public service
40:43Announcements
40:44On the front door
40:45Of the white house
40:45Telling people
40:47To social distance
40:48To wear a mask
40:49To listen
40:50Do you remember that?
40:51And she got no credit
40:53For doing that
40:54She used her own position
40:56Her own influence
40:57And normally
40:58I can tell you
40:59Having worked in the white house
41:00If a first lady
41:02Ever uttered a public word
41:04Different
41:04Than what the president's view was
41:07It would be
41:08All over the news
41:09And yet
41:10She did it
41:11And did it
41:11In something
41:12That she felt
41:13Would help people
41:13And got no coverage for
41:15So it shows you
41:16The bias
41:17That the media
41:17Had towards her
41:19Because
41:20The reputation
41:22The view
41:23Of her husband
41:25Spilled over
41:25Onto her
41:26She's not the only
41:27First lady in history
41:28That has suffered that
41:29Mary Lincoln
41:30Sort of suffered
41:30You know
41:32Kind of
41:33Poor treatment
41:34But those were her decisions
41:36Not her husband's decisions
41:37But the second term
41:39She comes back now
41:40And first of all
41:42She knows the house
41:43She's going to live in
41:44She knows the staff
41:45That is there
41:46She knows what she can do
41:48Doesn't have to do
41:49She's got a familiarity
41:51She's got more confidence
41:52About understanding
41:54The political role
41:56That she can have
41:57What things that she could
42:00Say no to
42:01Or should do
42:02She likes the traditional
42:04Role of the White House
42:07She was a wonderful
42:08Person to work for
42:10For the historical association
42:12On how she cared
42:13About the architectural integrity
42:14Of the White House
42:16Maintaining the museum quality
42:18Of the White House
42:19But she also has done
42:22Something recently
42:23That I think she's getting
42:24A little credit for
42:25Not enough
42:26But a little bit
42:27On inauguration day
42:292025
42:30When Donald Trump's
42:32Inaugurated for the second time
42:34Mrs. Trump is sitting
42:35At the inaugural lunch
42:37Next to the co-chair
42:39Of the inauguration
42:40And it's the Democratic senator
42:42From Minnesota
42:44Amy Klobuchar
42:46And Senator Klobuchar
42:50Says to Mrs. Trump
42:52That there's an important
42:53Piece of legislation
42:54In the Congress
42:55That was being
42:57Stalled
42:58Stalled by
43:00The Senate
43:01On inauguration day
43:02On inauguration day
43:04She's telling her this
43:05At lunch
43:06Senator Klobuchar
43:08To her credit
43:09Knew it would be something
43:10Mrs. Trump would be
43:11Interested in
43:12Because of her
43:13Her focus on
43:14The B-Best initiative
43:16Children
43:16To online safety
43:17Healthy
43:20You know
43:20Wellness
43:21Safe use
43:22Of the internet
43:24And this was
43:25Social media
43:26This was
43:27The legislation
43:28That was targeting
43:30All of this
43:31The deep fake
43:33The pornographic
43:34Material
43:34On young people
43:35Taking it
43:36Using AI
43:37That was really
43:39Harmfully
43:40You know
43:40Affecting
43:42Young people
43:42In particular
43:43And this was
43:44An act
43:44To take it down
43:45And
43:46Mrs. Trump
43:49Really
43:50Went to the Congress
43:51Within a couple
43:52Of you know
43:53Months
43:54Of being
43:54Not even
43:55A first lady
43:55Held a round table
43:57In the Congress
43:58With bipartisan
44:00Members
44:00House
44:02And Senate
44:02And
44:04Really
44:05Was a driving force
44:06On that legislation
44:08Getting passed
44:09And I don't have
44:10To tell you
44:11What's happening
44:12In the United States
44:13Congress
44:13That we can't
44:14Get a lot done
44:15We're fighting
44:16Over our budget
44:17We're fighting
44:17Over everything
44:18The fact that
44:19The first lady
44:20Of the United States
44:21Used
44:22That information
44:24That she was given
44:25Coupled it
44:27With an area
44:28An issue
44:29That she cares about
44:30An initiative
44:31That she
44:32Tried to launch
44:33The first time
44:34Nobody would work
44:35With her
44:36The first time
44:37In the first term
44:38Now
44:39They see the value
44:40Of the first lady's
44:42Role
44:42How she was able
44:44To work
44:45Overtly
44:46And also
44:47Behind the scenes
44:47That legislation
44:49Was signed
44:49By the
44:50Passed by the
44:51Senate
44:52In record numbers
44:54And was signed
44:55By the president
44:56A few weeks ago
44:58It literally
44:59And it should have
45:00Her name on it
45:01For the impact
45:02That she had
45:03In getting that passed
45:04And so that
45:06Shows you the power
45:07That first lady
45:08Can have
45:09I think she's
45:10Going to be
45:11Very driven
45:11By quality
45:12Not quantity
45:13She doesn't
45:14Have to be
45:15It was interesting
45:15When I interviewed
45:16Jill Biden
45:17For the book
45:17I said
45:18How do you see
45:19Your role
45:19As first lady
45:20And she said
45:21She felt
45:21She was coming
45:22Into the role
45:23At a period
45:24Of time
45:25Where the country
45:25Had experienced
45:26Great trauma
45:27COVID
45:27The election
45:28That was disputed
45:30Of a lot
45:30And that's right
45:31It was the post
45:32Trump administration
45:33This is how they depicted it
45:34There was a terrible collapse
45:38Of a building
45:39In Florida
45:39Many, many people died
45:41It kind of
45:41It exposed issues
45:43Of how things
45:44Aren't regulated
45:45The way that they should be
45:46She said
45:46I feel like
45:47I just need
45:48I don't need
45:48To choose one thing
45:49I need to be
45:50Where I'm needed
45:51I need to go
45:52Wherever I'm needed
45:52That was her view
45:53So it was a lot
45:54She was a very
45:55Event-driven first lady
45:57She did tons
45:58I mean
45:59I don't know
45:59How she managed
46:00The schedule
46:00Being a teacher
46:01And doing all the things
46:02That she was doing
46:03Managing
46:03Things at home
46:04And it really
46:05Was actually
46:06Impressive
46:06But
46:07At the end of the day
46:08Mrs. Trump
46:09Going back to Mrs. Trump
46:10Mrs. Trump is not
46:11About quantity
46:12And she's really
46:13About quality
46:14Picking and choosing
46:15A limited number
46:17Of things
46:17Where she feels
46:18She can have an impact
46:19On her terms
46:20And bringing a level
46:21Of irony
46:22In the presidential discourse
46:24Mr. Trump
46:25President Trump
46:26And some of you
46:28Know him very well
46:30And very personally
46:30But dealing with him
46:32In the Oval Office
46:33The kind of exchanges
46:34He has with press
46:35Describing
46:36Even describing
46:37His marital condition
46:40Make him closer
46:42To press
46:42And to the people
46:43And I think
46:46That her impact
46:47Is so forceful
46:49On him
46:50And makes him
46:52I wouldn't
46:53Couldn't say
46:54If he's a better president
46:55For it
46:55But definitely
46:56Much closer to the public
46:57Because of it
46:58Because of what
46:59Melania says to him
47:00And what he refers
47:01The public
47:02I think there's a lot
47:02I think there's a lot
47:03Of that
47:03I think that
47:04I read
47:04You know
47:05Some excerpts
47:06From books
47:07Of his advisors
47:07In his first campaign
47:08That said
47:10That after every speech
47:11He gave
47:12The first person
47:12He called
47:13Was Melania
47:14He says it constantly
47:15To get her view
47:16Melania will like this
47:17Melania will kill me
47:18Melania
47:19And bringing
47:20So that doesn't
47:20Necessarily change
47:21His actions
47:22Right
47:22But he's cognizant
47:24Of he's cognizant
47:25Of her view
47:27I think that's real influence
47:29I see a lot of powerful women
47:30In this room
47:30And I'm sitting next to them
47:32Four of them
47:33Three of them actually
47:35But there's good friends
47:37Powerful women
47:37How many times
47:38Has a man said
47:40Can't tell my wife
47:41Or they make jokes
47:43Or they discuss
47:44Their personal position
47:45Vis-a-vis
47:46What their wives represent
47:48And the president
47:49Does this now
47:50With Melania
47:51Proving that
47:52They have a relationship
47:54That is misunderstood
47:54By the press
47:55I believe
47:56Not portrayed correctly
47:57And to your point
47:58She is poignant
47:59And significant
48:00In a very different way
48:01Yes
48:02If you would agree
48:03Yes
48:03No I definitely do
48:05Agree on that
48:06And I think
48:07Listen
48:07She knows what the platform is
48:08She knows where she can have impact
48:10And have influence
48:11And she's going to pick
48:12And choose it in her way
48:13She made a very interesting
48:15Statement
48:16After the election
48:17In November
48:20And she said
48:21I'll be defined
48:22By my own expectations
48:23Not others' expectations
48:24Of me
48:25And that sets a tone
48:26Right there
48:27And you know
48:28She's her own person
48:30And you know
48:31She's changing the model too
48:32I mean
48:33We have never seen
48:34I have never seen
48:35A first lady
48:37A sitting first lady
48:38Being able to do
48:39The kind of
48:41Business
48:42Personal business
48:43Enterprise
48:44Projects
48:46That she is doing
48:46The book
48:47You know
48:47Which is a profit making
48:49Entity
48:50The film
48:51That Amazon Prime
48:53Is doing about her
48:54Which was a significant
48:55Contract
48:56Of something over
48:57Forty million dollars
48:58That she signed
48:58It's just
48:59It's unheard
49:01I'm really coming
49:02From an old view
49:03Of politics
49:04Here's an example
49:06I remember working
49:07In the White House
49:08I had a young staffer
49:09That worked for me
49:10Who couldn't
49:10Was not making
49:11Enough money to live
49:12So she was making
49:13Little jewelry
49:14On the side
49:15That she was selling
49:16Do you know
49:16I got a call
49:17From the White House
49:18Counsel's office
49:18Saying she cannot
49:20Do that
49:20Nobody who's working
49:22The White House
49:22Can sell
49:23You know
49:24Anything
49:24Anything
49:25And so
49:27This
49:27We've come a long way
49:29All I can say
49:30Is we're signing
49:30Amazon contracts
49:31For forty million dollars
49:32I mean
49:33That we've come
49:33A long way
49:34I have
49:36Very few minutes
49:37Does anyone
49:38Want to ask a question
49:39But the question
49:39That I have
49:40Who's your favorite
49:40First Lady
49:41Oh my gosh
49:42You know
49:42Certo
49:43Una bella domanda
49:44In italiano
49:45Grazie
49:46Prego
49:46Should I answer
49:48Who my
49:49First Lady
49:50Sì
49:50Facciamo questa domanda
49:51In italiano
49:52Che non è una domanda
49:52Accademica
49:53Non è decisamente
49:55Una domanda
49:55Che si fa
49:56Una storica
49:56Ma una persona
49:57Che conosce
49:58Il mondo
49:58Delle First Lady
49:59Molto bene
50:00Soprattutto
50:01Conosce
50:02Questo è il libro
50:03Della dottoressa
50:04McBride
50:05Conosce
50:07The intricacies
50:07Quello che c'è
50:08Dietro
50:08Il mondo
50:09Delle
50:09First Lady
50:10E che cosa
50:11Rappresentano
50:12Relativamente
50:13Alla presidenza
50:13Degli Stati Uniti
50:14Qual è la sua preferita
50:15You're going to be surprised
50:17Pat Nixon
50:18Richard Nixon's wife
50:20Pat Nixon
50:21Turned out to be
50:22One of my favorites
50:23And why
50:25This woman
50:26First of all
50:27Is the most
50:27Traveled
50:28First Lady
50:28In our history
50:3081 countries
50:31Even one more
50:32Than Hillary Clinton
50:33She worked
50:35So hard
50:37To help
50:38Advance
50:39The White House
50:41In significant ways
50:42The first
50:42Woman
50:43The first
50:44First Lady
50:44To actually oversee
50:46A women's issues office
50:47Nobody really knows that
50:49She was pushing her husband
50:51She was pushing her husband to hire more senior women to senior positions in the U.S. government
50:56Nobody really realized that either
50:59She was the only first lady to be given the formal title of personal representative of the president when traveling overseas
51:06First first lady to address the first lady to address the first lady to address a foreign parliament
51:09And then what she did for the American people at the White House
51:16This is the first time that the White House was lit at night so people could see it
51:24That tours were at night so that working women, more working women were going into the workforce
51:29More artifacts, more historical restorations were done under Pat Nixon than even Jackie Kennedy
51:43And again, most people don't know about it. Why? Because her husband was so controversial, left in a scandal and so everything that she contributed as second lady because she was second lady for eight years
51:56E tutto quello che ha contribuito, come second lady, perché c'era second lady per 8 anni,
52:01in fact so good ad essere diplomati che President Eisenhower spost Kadri
52:06ha detto Vice President Nixon,
52:08«Tac Capta Nixon con voi quando così via»,
52:11perché era una una persona migliore loving alla создatale di lui.
52:15Per tutto ciò che ha fatto,
52:16ma, chiamata, la difficoltà per la Saintia,
52:20la una donna più famiglia,
52:23The feminist movement, women of that era, never really accepted her.
52:30And so she was not really given credit for the contributions that she made behind the scenes,
52:35but also to the White House and elsewhere.
52:38And when she died, you know, her husband collapsed in tears over her coffin
52:44because he recognized that she never got the recognition she deserved because of him.
52:50And that's why we need to read this book.
52:53And we have to go, but that's why we need to read this book
52:56because there's so much about First Ladies we don't know.
52:59So much of these First Ladies, all of the First Ladies, we need to know.
53:03And I think it's going to help us understand the world, even the presidential world, much better.
53:10I think so.
53:11I thank you so much.
53:12This is for you.
53:13Oh, thank you.
53:14And then anybody, you can tell people, anybody that has, you know, children.
53:17Do you want to talk a little bit about this children's book?
53:18Sure, I can just show you this.
53:20This is a children's book that's adapted that I wrote with my daughter about First Ladies.
53:26And it is the Italian Embassy in Washington took the rights of the book and translated it into Italian.
53:34So this is in Italian.
53:35This is for children's elementary school.
53:38I have 10, 11 copies.
53:40Anybody that would like it, please, they're for you.
53:42So we can take them in Italian.
53:47In Italian.
53:48Take it.
53:49In Italian.
53:50Thank you.
53:50Thank you.
53:52You're welcome.
53:52And thank you.
53:53Thank you.
53:53You're welcome.
53:54Thank you.
53:55Thank you.
53:55Thank you.
53:56Very busy.
53:57Thank you.
53:58Thank you.
53:59Thank you.
54:00Thank you.
54:01Can I recognize here the Consul General from Naples, the United States Consul General from Naples,
54:06of course, Tracy Roberts Pounds, who came, thank you for coming up to be here.
54:11I appreciate it so much to get a picture with you.
54:14You'll take a picture with the Consul General, and I'm very honored to have held us up with you.
54:20Thank you.
54:21I'm tired we didn't get to other people's questions.
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