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Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
Guests:
- Dr Musadik Malik PMLN
- Sheikh Waqas Akram PTI
- Ahmer Bilal Soofi
India's defeat in battlefield, but proxy war a major challenge | Aniqa Nisar's Analysis
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
Guests:
- Dr Musadik Malik PMLN
- Sheikh Waqas Akram PTI
- Ahmer Bilal Soofi
India's defeat in battlefield, but proxy war a major challenge | Aniqa Nisar's Analysis
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:04This is a protest program.
00:05I am Anika Anwisar.
00:06In the eyes of Pakistan, the real cause of terrorism that has been going on for many
00:10decades is India.
00:11And we knew this.
00:12We also kept giving dossiers.
00:13But as neighbors, we did not keep hitting the face.
00:14We did not always insult India because of this.
00:15But that time has come when we have to speak the truth in front of the world.
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11:27I was surprised that Dr. Christine Fair, who is anti-Pakistan, is also speaking in favour of Pakistan, but your ministry is very important.
11:56Considering that the Indus water treaty has been held in abeyance, we are already in the top 10 countries where climate change is affecting.
12:08If you try to stop our water, then you have violated the international law.
12:15This will not open a Pandora's box that any country, whenever it wants, can unilaterally terminate any agreement,
12:22hold it in abeyance or suspend it. Can the world allow this to happen?
12:28Look, the first thing is that what we are calling abeyance, they are saying that they have suspended the treaty.
12:38There is no scope for suspension or abeyance in that treaty.
12:43That is, what is the mention of something that cannot happen? How do we recognize it?
12:49There is no possibility of that. Four different methods have been given in the treaty.
12:56If there is any stress in both countries at any time or there is no agreement on anything,
13:05then four different methods are present in the treaty. All four have been used in the last 50-60 years.
13:12And they have been used successfully. Many decisions were made in our favour.
13:17A few decisions were also favourable for them. This means that this mechanism works.
13:22We also get relief in this mechanism. When our opinion is more legal, technically strong,
13:30they also get relief once or twice. So, a treaty that is working,
13:35a treaty in which there is no scope for abeyance or suspension, cannot be terminated.
13:40This is the first technical, boring thing I told you. Now I will tell you the real thing.
13:45Look, the real thing is that you will have to think about what water is.
13:50Is water the origin? Or is water the river? Or is water the basin?
13:56Or is water culture and culture? This is what you will have to decide.
14:01If water is the origin, and you accept that there is a new way of the world,
14:07that despite the treaties, the country at the top, i.e. where the water is coming from,
14:13towards the downstream, towards the dam, has the right to stop the other's water.
14:18Then you remember that Pakistan is not alone. One third of India's water comes from China.
14:25So, is India giving China this right? They don't even have a treaty between them.
14:30So, is India giving China the right to stop all their water?
14:34If this is a river, then there is climate, environment around that river.
14:40So, are these glaciers, the flow of water, the environment of water, the climate,
14:46the jungle, the greenery that you see, will all this be destroyed?
14:52Will the world just watch it as a silent spectacle?
14:56But even if you don't know the environment and the river,
15:01the real thing is that what we call Indus water, is actually the Indus Valley Civilization.
15:08So, are you going to attack the whole culture, the whole civilization?
15:12Are you saying that you will destroy a whole civilization, you will attack it?
15:17Right now, I didn't talk to you tactically, that 50% of Pakistan's population is connected to agriculture.
15:25I didn't even tell you that 25% of Pakistan's GDP is connected to water.
15:32But you are right. You are absolutely right that it is a civilization.
15:36But doctor, just tell me, I have heard this in 2-3 places, about China.
15:40Is it right for China to stop India's water?
15:44Has there been a government-to-government conversation with China?
15:48Is there such a conversation going on?
15:50Because at this time, China has openly said that we will strategically,
15:53and with the solidarity of Pakistan, we will keep standing with Pakistan.
15:57So, has there been such a conversation or is it just a discussion in Pakistan?
16:01No, no, no. Look, this is inappropriate.
16:04So, why should we have that conversation?
16:07We are saying that every place where water flows, has the right for water to flow there.
16:13That is why we are standing on the right.
16:15The way they lied, we stood with the truth.
16:19We are not saying that we will stop the water for your children.
16:23We are not saying that.
16:25We are saying that no country can attack the culture, culture and history of another country.
16:33And if there is an attack, it will have very serious consequences.
16:37And a precedent will be set, which is called the dog-eat-dog world.
16:42Or what used to happen in the wild west, that the fastest gun wins.
16:46So, now I will say this again.
16:49That in this fight, it has been proven that Pakistan was a faster gun.
16:54So, we are not arrogant at this time, but we are talking with confidence,
17:00that although we are a faster gun, we have defeated you.
17:04But despite this, we still talk about peace.
17:07We are not saying that someone should attack your poor people.
17:10Or stop their water.
17:12Or destroy their agriculture.
17:14We are just saying that our agriculture is our right.
17:17Our water is our right.
17:19Our culture is our right.
17:21If you attack it, it will have very serious consequences.
17:25And we are making the world believe that if this treaty is over,
17:29then after the second world war, all treaties will be null and void.
17:33They will not even work the piece of paper on which they are printing.
18:03So, tell me, how will the government deal with this?
18:06The way it is going on, or with more force?
18:09Look, basically, the point of view of Pakistan has always been this.
18:15When the accusation of treason was put, Pakistan said,
18:18give us the evidence, we are ready to cooperate with you.
18:21They said, no, we don't give you evidence.
18:23We said, okay, leave it, don't give it to us.
18:25You do one thing, give the evidence to some institution of the United Nations,
18:29we will cooperate with them.
18:31They said, no, no, we won't give it to them either.
18:33We said, okay, do one thing, give the evidence to some countries you trust.
18:38We will talk to them.
18:40They said, no, we won't do that either.
18:42So, we said, okay, let's do one thing,
18:44the international journalists and our local journalists,
18:47probably you have also been there,
18:49the places where you have said that terrorism is happening here,
18:52we take the journalists along with the cameras.
18:54Camps cannot be finished in a day.
18:56So, despite this, when they fought us,
18:59when they were beaten,
19:01when they were defeated,
19:03then think, we said dialogue in the beginning,
19:05they beat us and said dialogue.
19:07So, what was the point?
19:09What was the point of ending it at this point?
19:11This is a very important point.
19:12What we said in the beginning,
19:13what we started with, with peace,
19:15in the end, they were beaten and had to do it.
19:17And we are not chest thumping over here,
19:19but Dr. Musad Akmal, thank you very much for joining me in the program.
19:22It was a pleasure having you.
19:23Let's go to the break and then we will talk.
19:25At this point, everyone was in agreement,
19:26all the politicians were in agreement,
19:28what to do next, after the break.
19:58It was appreciable.
19:59But after that, it felt like the path has gone somewhere else.
20:03The path has moved away from Afaam-o-Tafeem.
20:06Why is the hard stance being taken again all of a sudden?
20:13Look, this hard stance is against the government from the beginning.
20:17And you saw that this war-like situation,
20:20during this war,
20:22not a war-like situation,
20:23but a war,
20:24in this way,
20:25as you yourself have mentioned,
20:27our young people,
20:29our party members,
20:30expressed their unity.
20:32And Khan Sahib has also stated that
20:35due to the retaliation of Pakistan,
20:39the morale of the people has increased.
20:42Even the morale of the people in jail has increased.
20:45Even during that time,
20:47people like this kept coming from the government,
20:49work kept happening,
20:50our people were being kidnapped,
20:52there were raids in their homes.
20:55Women were not picked up.
20:57For example, you must have seen Javed.
20:59You can see what Shah Mahmood Qureshi did yesterday.
21:03He picked them up on a stretcher.
21:05The judge said,
21:06I didn't need them,
21:07I had exempted them.
21:08He picked them up from the hospital.
21:09A man had a drip,
21:10he picked him up and took him away.
21:12His 80-year-old aunt,
21:15she came on a wheelchair.
21:16They were not allowed to meet her,
21:17in fact, they were not allowed to meet her.
21:18All these kinds of things are going on.
21:21We had to unite as a nation,
21:23we had to be united.
21:24It was Khan's order,
21:25that this is a matter of unity,
21:28and we have to respond to India and Modi.
21:30Although he later said that
21:32we have to remain alert.
21:34But despite all this,
21:36this government,
21:37which is form 47 and is a beneficiary,
21:39sitting with it and negotiating,
21:42this was not possible for us before.
21:45One opportunity was given by Khan,
21:47you remember,
21:48when he himself said for the committee,
21:49one, two and three sessions were held,
21:51even though our people were present,
21:53but there was no notification from the Judicial Commission.
21:56One more question.
21:58We don't have much time,
21:59but one more question.
22:00Please.
22:01One, okay,
22:02you supported him at that time,
22:03but immediately after that,
22:04and before that,
22:05there were some statements.
22:07I will not make statements,
22:08because I know that the entire PTA does not think that way,
22:10but there are some statements from Aleema Khan,
22:13there are some statements from Umar Ayub,
22:15which were very sarcastic,
22:17there were some strange statements,
22:18which were proved wrong.
22:20Then there was another one,
22:21that if the PTA is not with us,
22:23then our defence institutions will not be able to do anything.
22:28If you put the Popular Jamaat aside,
22:30then there will be no defence either.
22:32Mr. Sheikh, that image is now finished,
22:35it is broken.
22:36No.
22:37That thing is no more.
22:38No, no, no,
22:39it is not like that.
22:40Look, if you talk about philosophy,
22:43the philosophy is still the same.
22:45For a strong defence,
22:47it is necessary for a nation to be united and united.
22:50In these three days of war,
22:52was the nation not united?
22:54Was it not united?
22:55Pakistan First.
22:56The Pakistani Movement for Justice,
22:59who like terrorists and extremists,
23:02and who have been identified by the FIA,
23:05did those children not express that they were a nation for three days?
23:09They did.
23:10The people who are most wanted by the FIA,
23:13regarding cybercrime,
23:14did those children,
23:16and if you look at the stats of our official accounts,
23:19you will be amazed at how they fought it.
23:21So, yes,
23:22they supported their armed forces.
23:25Because they are true Pakistanis, Mr. Sheikh.
23:27There is no doubt about that.
23:28But there are some outside who show you associations.
23:31But do something else.
23:32Yes, yes.
23:33Look, let me tell you,
23:34the thing is,
23:35we cannot even bear the responsibility of the official accounts.
23:37We just say that we have not come to give proof of our patriotism to anyone.
23:42When the opportunity came,
23:43it was proven by itself,
23:44that every Pakistani,
23:46every member of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
23:48is a patriot.
23:50This is what Khan says.
23:51This country is mine.
23:53This army is mine.
23:54And that,
23:55regarding that philosophy,
23:59we again believe that
24:01the real unity,
24:03the real unity,
24:04will not be within the country.
24:06Look,
24:07Modi is a very cheap and evil enemy.
24:09Indeed.
24:10Coward,
24:11coward,
24:12coward,
24:13and a traditional enemy of ours.
24:15All that is happening with him,
24:17and the joke he is making,
24:19the spectacle he has created in India,
24:21after this historical defeat,
24:23which Pakistan has given him,
24:24and Pakistan's army has given him,
24:26I believe that,
24:27what Khan is saying,
24:29that his hateful attitude towards Pakistan,
24:32can attack again.
24:33So, if we can make a real unity,
24:36then within the country,
24:37we will have to end this opportunism,
24:39which is the responsibility of this government.
24:40Mr. Sheikh, one more thing.
24:41One more thing.
24:42There was a statement that,
24:44if we are not allowed to meet,
24:46if we are not allowed to talk to our leaders,
24:48then we will not support the IMF.
24:50Now, I am going to the stance of the official PTI.
24:53I am not asking from any Alima Sahiba,
24:55I am not asking from any family member,
24:56Mr. Imran Khan,
24:57I am asking you because you have the official capacity.
25:00So, why did she say that?
25:01Isn't that a strange thing?
25:02But no,
25:03always,
25:04always,
25:05everything should not be put on our shoulders,
25:06on the shoulders of the opposition.
25:08And especially,
25:09on the shoulders of such friends,
25:10from whom the mandate has been snatched.
25:12Everything should not be put on our shoulders.
25:14No, no, I am answering.
25:15I am asking you.
25:16No, no.
25:17With great respect,
25:18I just want to say,
25:19that a person,
25:20who is the chief minister,
25:21who is the chief executive,
25:22who has a budget,
25:23who has to take the budget from his leader,
25:25who has to take his guidelines,
25:26who has to discuss with him,
25:27there are many issues,
25:29his finance minister and his chief minister
25:31have to meet him.
25:32Okay.
25:33Because he needs guidance.
25:34Why not?
25:35If here,
25:36I mean,
25:37if he goes to consult with Nawaz Sharif,
25:39and sends Ishaq Dar,
25:40to go and ask him,
25:41then here,
25:42our chief minister,
25:43or our finance minister,
25:44doesn't have to talk?
25:45He is going around with a court order.
25:48He has moved the contempt,
25:50orders have been placed on contempt.
25:52Jailors say,
25:53that they will get him met,
25:54but the chief minister,
25:55you are in another province,
25:57you stop him by calling the police,
25:59you stop his car,
26:00he has to walk,
26:02they make him walk 2 km,
26:03they don't let him meet again.
26:05He comes back again,
26:06they meet again,
26:07he has to sit here for 18 days.
26:09So when you ask him a question,
26:11you know he is a lion,
26:13when you talk to him,
26:14he can speak in a reaction.
26:16Mr. Sheikh,
26:17I was looking for a lion,
26:18there was a very important speech,
26:19in Islamabad,
26:20in the last few days,
26:21I didn't see him,
26:22why didn't he come?
26:23I don't know,
26:24you can ask his translator,
26:25I have no knowledge in this matter.
26:27As far as we know,
26:28I spoke to Gauhar,
26:29and Salman Rai,
26:32they didn't have an invitation.
26:34No, no,
26:35Salman Akram Rai didn't have an invitation,
26:37but the Chief Minister of KPK had an invitation,
26:40his name was also written on the proxy.
26:42As you know,
26:43Your smile is telling something else,
26:45Mr. Sheikh,
26:46speak openly.
26:47No, no,
26:48I am not smiling,
26:49I am smiling because,
26:50as you know,
26:51I am not in Peshawar anymore,
26:52I am here in Islamabad,
26:54so I wouldn't know what happened,
26:56so his translator,
26:57an information minister,
26:59he himself,
27:00He raised his hand,
27:01I don't want to answer.
27:02No, no,
27:03I am not saying this,
27:04I am saying,
27:05you can ask him,
27:06I will give you his number,
27:08and he is very easily accessible,
27:10you can call him,
27:11he will pick up.
27:12This easily accessible promise,
27:14you made last time,
27:15do you remember?
27:16No, no,
27:17I stand with that,
27:18I stand with that,
27:19your reporter,
27:20let me tell you,
27:21your reporter also calls CMKP,
27:22he will pick up his call.
27:23He is like that.
27:24Okay,
27:25tell me this,
27:26at the end,
27:27now,
27:28from the government,
27:29because the other side,
27:30doesn't want to have talks with you,
27:31they want to stay away from talks,
27:32and political matters,
27:33do you want to have talks with the government,
27:34or not?
27:35No,
27:36I don't want to have talks with you.
27:37Okay,
27:38then it's fine,
27:39you will stay away.
27:40Anyway,
27:41Sheikh sahab,
27:42at the end,
27:43now,
27:44this Indus water treaty,
27:45it won't have an impact on KPK,
27:46but there is a large population,
27:47which is living in KPK,
27:48or Balochistan,
27:49or Punjab,
27:50or Sindh,
27:51they will definitely have an impact,
27:52and if they have an impact,
27:53then the influx will go back,
27:54in these provinces,
27:55what would you like to say on that,
27:56please talk about that also.
27:57Okay,
27:58so,
27:59now,
28:00we understand that,
28:01the matter of held in abeyance,
28:02should be ensured first,
28:03and the policy should be very clear,
28:04regarding that,
28:05which is our right,
28:06which has already been decided,
28:07we don't want to let India,
28:08be affected by that at all,
28:09and for that,
28:10whatever we can do,
28:11we should do,
28:12we should deal with it diplomatically,
28:13either we have already defeated it,
28:14but,
28:15we have to deal with it,
28:16we have to deal with it,
28:17we have to deal with it,
28:18we have to deal with it,
28:19we have to deal with it,
28:20we have to deal with it,
28:21we have to deal with it,
28:22we have to deal with it,
28:23we have to deal with it,
28:24we have to deal with it,
28:25we have to deal with it,
28:26we have to deal with it,
28:27we have to deal with it,
28:28we have to deal with it,
28:29we have to deal with it,
28:30we have to deal with it,
28:31we have to deal with it,
28:32we have to deal with it,
28:33we have to deal with it,
28:34we have to deal with it,
28:35we have to deal with it,
28:36we have to deal with it,
28:37we have to deal with it,
28:38we have to deal with it,
28:39we have to deal with it,
28:40we have to deal with it,
28:41we have to deal with it,
28:42we have to deal with it,
28:43we have to deal with it,
28:44we have to deal with it,
28:45we have to deal with it,
28:46we have to deal with it,
28:47we have to deal with it,
28:48we have to deal with it,
28:49we have to deal with it,
28:51if a leader like him comes
28:52who can take a decision,
28:53if a leader like him comes
28:54who can take a decision,
28:55he will be able to
28:56have a better conversation
28:57with Pakistan.
28:58When you spend time,
28:59things come to you.
29:00When you spend time,
29:01things come to you.
29:02Mr. Khan saw things
29:03in his time,
29:04in his time,
29:05in his time,
29:06after that,
29:07after that,
29:08his stance is that
29:09his attitude is hateful
29:10his stance is hateful
29:11and he hates Pakistanis
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