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Host:
- Muhammad Malick
Guests:
- Rana Sanaullah Khan PMLN
- Sahibzada Hamid Raza SIC
PAK-INDIA War: Mohammad Malick reaction on Modi's statement regarding Pakistanis
"Jahan Modi Ka Dharan Takhta Howa Hai Wahin PTI...", Rana Sanaullah's Big Statement
"Agar Imran Khan Deal Karkay Bahir Atay Hen Tu...", Sahibzada Hamid Raza's Huge Statement
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- Rana Sanaullah Khan PMLN
- Sahibzada Hamid Raza SIC
PAK-INDIA War: Mohammad Malick reaction on Modi's statement regarding Pakistanis
"Jahan Modi Ka Dharan Takhta Howa Hai Wahin PTI...", Rana Sanaullah's Big Statement
"Agar Imran Khan Deal Karkay Bahir Atay Hen Tu...", Sahibzada Hamid Raza's Huge Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:13I don't want to start the program with Narendra Modi, but what can we do?
00:20He is a shameless man who is not ashamed of anything.
00:23Even after such a humiliating defeat, today he again made a mistake.
00:28Do you remember that he gave a big statement that the people of GB and Balochistan are calling me
00:35and we are talking about Kashmir which is under the control of Pakistan.
00:38Today, he gave a big message for the youth of Pakistan.
00:42You are standing up, but how did he do it? Listen to this.
00:46To free Pakistan from terrorism, the people of Pakistan will have to come forward.
00:59The youth of Pakistan will have to come forward.
01:02Live a life of peace and tranquility.
01:05Eat your food, otherwise I will shoot you.
01:11He came to shoot.
01:15He dropped the plane, he was humiliated.
01:17He pleaded with the Americans to cease fire.
01:20Perhaps, the PSL final in Lahore yesterday was very painful for him.
01:27The stadium was full, the slogans of Pakistan Zindabad were being raised.
01:30He had to cancel the IPL.
01:33But anyway, the serious thing is that whoever it is,
01:36whoever this person is, he is a wounded man who is licking his wounds.
01:41And Pakistan has to be very, very careful about this.
01:44But one thing I would like to share with you before the program,
01:47that I met some very important Western diplomats in Islamabad.
01:52They told me two very interesting things.
01:54I asked them that now India has started the India Offensive Diplomatic.
01:59We are also doing it, so what should Pakistan do?
02:01The biggest advantage they have for you now is that no one used to listen to you before.
02:06A picture had been painted that there is a lot of terrorism in Pakistan.
02:10Pakistan is doing a lot of terrorism in Kashmir and India.
02:13And you have become a kind of instigator of terrorism.
02:18But when India was caught in Canada,
02:21when they were killed at the state level,
02:24then when their attempt was caught in America,
02:27and then there were many incidents with the minorities,
02:30and then now this war has happened,
02:32and in which so many decisions have been rejected by Pakistan.
02:35So their words were that the door has opened for you.
02:40And they said a very important thing.
02:42They said that now you have to do this,
02:45Pakistan is doing a diplomatic offensive,
02:47it is doing it for two or three months,
02:49it is doing it with great enthusiasm, then the matter cools down.
02:51The embassies that are sitting on the ground and the reports that we send,
02:55remember that in our reports and in our capitals,
02:59there is a difference of two to three years in policy change.
03:02They said that our procedure lapse, our system lapse is this much.
03:07So don't think that in six months you will see a sudden policy change.
03:12You will have to persist on it for a year or two.
03:16And we hope that the diplomatic offensive that is still going on,
03:20keep it this way.
03:21But this will be an external matter.
03:23The situation in Pakistan has suddenly become very tense.
03:27And the PTI has once again pulled the sword out of the sheath.
03:32And we will talk about this in the first part of the program,
03:35how the government sees this.
03:37We have with us Mr. Rana Sanaullah.
03:39Assalamu Alaikum Mr. Rana.
03:41Yes, Walaikum Assalam.
03:44Mr. Rana, I have always said that there is no discussion,
03:47but now it seems that it has become clear, it has become proven,
03:51and the call for protest has also come.
03:54And in the last four to five days, a lot of things have progressed.
03:58First, you remember the day Field Marshal was appointed,
04:02General Asim Munir, there was a very strong reaction to that.
04:06And first, Ms. Aleema criticized him.
04:09Then later, in the tweet that came from Mr. Khan,
04:11basically the same things were repeated.
04:13First, let's listen to what happened that day.
04:17Rana Khan first said that,
04:19Masha Allah, Mr. Asim Munir became Field Marshal.
04:23It would have been better if he had taken the title of Badshah Salamat.
04:27Because if he had to give the title to himself,
04:29then Badshah Salamat would have been better.
04:31Instead of Field Marshal, he would have become Badshah.
04:33Because if there was a law of the jungle,
04:35then Badshah would have been better,
04:37if he had called himself Badshah.
04:39This was on May 21.
04:40Then the same things,
04:41in the next day's X post,
04:43he was officially talked about.
04:45Today, he has met Imran Khan.
04:48Let's listen to what he said today.
05:15It's time for him to make his decision.
05:17Either he stands with Nazri,
05:19or he stands with this Yazidi system.
05:21Now I don't accept this.
05:23We told them that,
05:24one vlog comes out every day.
05:27Many vloggers have been on this for 40 years.
05:29Good news has started to come before this.
05:31Imran Khan is leaving in two weeks.
05:33Someone went to meet him at midnight.
05:35Americans have come.
05:36These Yazidis,
05:37they want that your temperature doesn't increase.
05:40You sit in hope that Imran Khan is leaving.
05:43We have given you a clear message today,
05:45that do whatever you want.
05:46I will not bow down in front of the Yazidi system.
05:48I will not bow down in front of the system of this immorality.
05:51We try our best for Imran Khan.
05:53We gave protests,
05:54we protested,
05:55we held rallies,
05:56we talked in the assembly.
05:58We are trying to start Imran Khan's cases.
06:00Take their money for the merit.
06:01I tell my workers, supporters and everyone,
06:03keep your emotions under control.
06:05You must trust your leadership,
06:08that we are not doing it on our own.
06:09Whatever we are doing,
06:10we are doing it with the advice of Imran Khan.
06:12Rana Sahib, there is a little confusion.
06:15She is saying that the time has come,
06:18that the movement will continue.
06:20Everything will happen.
06:21Gaur Khan Sahib is still saying something else.
06:23But now it is the turn of the Yazidis,
06:26that all of you are the Yazidi class.
06:29Now they have also announced.
06:31Before you answer with a smile,
06:33I want to hear from Junaid Akbar Sahib.
06:36He has also told Ilah-e-Ammad,
06:37who is the president of KPK.
06:39He has also talked about closing the CPEC route.
06:42Listen to this.
06:44The day, God willing,
06:45if the leadership decides,
06:46and we will come to Islamabad,
06:48on the same day,
06:49the local people near Sawabi,
06:52will close the Sawabi GT road.
06:54The people of South will close the CPEC road.
06:58Similarly, the people of Gilgit-Baltistan,
07:00the people who are nearby,
07:01will come to Islamabad, God willing.
07:03God willing, a large number of people will come.
07:07He is saying that the CPEC road will also be closed.
07:09The roads to GB will also be closed.
07:11We will wash our hands.
07:12We will set up a tent in the hills of Margla.
07:14The tent will become a village.
07:16So, the matter has become hot.
07:18How are you looking at this?
07:24Look, no one can stop anyone from talking.
07:30Modi is also talking big.
07:33He is also saying that I will do this, I will do that.
07:36The hot vermilion in my veins is running.
07:41So, he is also saying that we will do this,
07:46but he will not be able to do it.
07:49He is announcing that he will try to run the movement,
07:54but he will not be able to run it.
07:56Mr. Malik, this is a matter of right and wrong.
08:02In this, where Modi has been beaten,
08:08there is also PTI collateral damage,
08:14which happens in wars.
08:16So, they have also been shaken.
08:19Now it is very difficult for them to do such a thing.
08:26Otherwise, they will definitely try.
08:28Modi will also try.
08:30But he will not be able to do it.
08:32He will not be able to do it.
08:37No, why have they been beaten?
08:39Look, in any war,
08:46defeat and victory can happen in any situation.
08:51Someone's defeat can be someone's victory.
08:53This is a matter of right and wrong.
09:01If the result of this was otherwise,
09:06then you would have seen the media in India.
09:13No, no, I am asking about PTI.
09:16You said that PTI collateral damage.
09:18Yes, I am talking about that.
09:21I am talking about that only.
09:23It has been done.
09:25If the result of this war was otherwise,
09:35then you would have seen the media in India.
09:43You would have seen what they would have done in Pakistan.
09:47They would have done a lot of damage.
09:52But when Allah has given success to Pakistan,
10:01then the whole nation has become proud.
10:04The whole nation has become respected.
10:06Every Pakistani is proud in the whole world.
10:10So the main beneficiary in that,
10:13with the whole nation,
10:15with the whole army,
10:17with the leadership of the army,
10:19but the two main people,
10:21who would have been the target otherwise,
10:23but in this way,
10:26the main beneficiary is
10:29Field Marshal General Syed Asim Munir
10:33and the Prime Minister of Pakistan,
10:35Mian Shahbaz Sharif,
10:38whose leadership was successful.
10:43But Rana Sahab, tell us one thing.
10:45This happens.
10:47If this happened in our favor,
10:51then on the other hand, there were only two.
10:53One was Mr. Modi and the other was Mr. Imran Khan.
10:56So how can they be safe from these effects?
11:00To control this kind of damage,
11:04will they try to make a move?
11:06Or is Modi trying to incite that
11:08I will do this, I will do that.
11:11These are talks to be made.
11:13They will not be able to do anything.
11:15Tell me this.
11:17The impression is that,
11:19the statements of different leaders,
11:21what Haleema Bibi said,
11:23Mr. Khan said that
11:25there is no claim on Islamabad.
11:27Everything is being done in their own cities.
11:30Now the plan that is coming forward,
11:32that there is a real conflict in KP.
11:35From there, the CPEC can also be closed.
11:37The other roads can also be closed.
11:39So if CPEC,
11:41if this whole thing has to run from KP itself,
11:44the government, PTI, everything,
11:47then can such circumstances reach there,
11:50that you put a governor rule there?
11:52Because obviously, the government machinery will also be used.
11:54No, no.
11:56No, no, there is no need.
11:58Why will the circumstances reach there?
12:00They will not be able to do this.
12:02Please note my words.
12:06They have said that soon...
12:08The thing is that,
12:10their focus,
12:12their focus,
12:14their focus,
12:16is mainly on the establishment,
12:18is mainly on the establishment,
12:20or on the army of other leaders.
12:22or on the army of other leaders.
12:24And after that,
12:26it is our turn.
12:28So you tell me,
12:30that the current position,
12:32that the public opinion,
12:34that the public opinion,
12:36if they do such a thing,
12:38then they will become unpopular.
12:40They will be discarded.
12:42If someone gives them some sense,
12:44then they should not do this work now.
12:46This is not the environment.
12:48If they have some sense,
12:50and if they have to do what
12:52they did on 9th May,
12:54and then later got humiliated,
12:56and then got caught in a problem
12:58on 24th November,
13:00then they should continue.
13:04So tell me,
13:06if you look at the other side,
13:08like today in Lahore,
13:10the ATC, the Anti-terrorism Court,
13:12has committed a crime on 250 people,
13:14on 9th May.
13:16Now the cases have increased a lot.
13:18There is the former government,
13:20Umer Cheema,
13:22and Jass Choudhary,
13:24the cases have increased a lot.
13:26The party is in a bad shape.
13:28Now,
13:30there is no way
13:32for the PTI leadership,
13:34because the courts have been made,
13:36the whole reality of the courts has changed,
13:38and they are not getting any hope.
13:40They are not even talking to them.
13:42So,
13:44what options do they have
13:46except for investigation?
13:50No, they do not have this option
13:52The matter is that
13:54when these people are involved
13:56in the 9th May incident,
13:58and the Supreme Court
14:00has already decided
14:02the matter,
14:04then after that,
14:06will there not be a prosecution?
14:08If the 9th May incident
14:10had happened in any other country,
14:12then it would not have taken so much time.
14:14It took two years.
14:16Didn't you see,
14:18in London,
14:20hundreds of people
14:22were punished
14:24for 4 years to 10 years.
14:26So,
14:28these kinds of cases,
14:30whether it is a party
14:32or a group,
14:34if they go against the state,
14:36then the prosecution
14:38is okay.
14:40There has been a delay here.
14:42So, if the protest movement
14:44starts now,
14:46will you handle it
14:48strictly from the day
14:50before the 9th May incident?
15:02No,
15:04I don't think
15:06there will be a scale
15:08on which
15:10more strictness
15:12will be required.
15:14The level of strictness
15:16will be such that
15:18to keep it under control
15:20or to scatter it,
15:22a lot of strength
15:24will be required.
15:26Secondly,
15:28tell me,
15:30there is a reality
15:32that when the war
15:34started,
15:36before that,
15:38there was a mixed problem
15:40of the institution.
15:42People were divided,
15:44everything was divided.
15:46After the war,
15:48a lot has changed.
15:50Total unity, national unity
15:52has emerged.
15:54But my question is,
15:56is this a temporary change?
15:58Because we are still in the state
16:00of war.
16:02Every day Modi comes
16:04and does something.
16:06But if these things
16:08come back to normal,
16:10then the budget will also come.
16:12Has your impression changed?
16:14Do you think this will remain permanent?
16:16And the image problem
16:18of the army
16:20will not remain?
16:24Look, Mr. Malik,
16:26the temporary thing
16:28is that
16:30the political government
16:32or a political worker
16:34like me
16:36can understand
16:38that
16:40we have also
16:42gained a lot of strength
16:44today.
16:46And in this,
16:48our activities
16:50in the future,
16:52in terms of politics,
16:54in terms of improving the economy,
16:56in terms of giving relief
16:58to people,
17:00or in terms of
17:02the other political steps
17:04we take,
17:06according to that,
17:08there can be an increase in our position.
17:10We can benefit more.
17:12We can improve our position.
17:14There can also be a reduction in that.
17:16And the leadership of the PMLN
17:18is fully aware of this.
17:20And we will try
17:22to improve our position
17:24politically.
17:28But as far as
17:30the image of the army is concerned,
17:32as far as the image of the
17:34Adhara is concerned,
17:36it will not make a difference.
17:38The level
17:40or the position
17:42in which the people
17:44see us,
17:46it will not
17:48make a difference.
17:50It will remain
17:52the same
17:54forever.
17:56Their
17:58ideology is
18:00that they abuse us
18:02before they abuse us.
18:04So who will listen
18:06to their abuse now?
18:08If they remain in the same
18:10attitude, they will be harmed.
18:12This will not be
18:14their political decision.
18:16This is my question.
18:18If there is a thought
18:20that even if we do not abuse,
18:22things are still going on against us,
18:24then it is better to abuse
18:26and make noise. Maybe we will be heard.
18:28This is also a thought that
18:30there is no relief for anyone.
18:32No,
18:34no, Mr. Malik,
18:36maybe we will be heard.
18:38What is this?
18:40The Prime Minister of Pakistan
18:42has offered them on the floor of the House.
18:44In fact, he has done it twice.
18:46He did it four months ago.
18:48He said, come and sit
18:50and talk about political issues.
18:52You are saying
18:54that if
18:56Mr. Imran Khan has to come out of jail
18:58or if anything
19:00is going to improve
19:02in his party,
19:04then there is only one option
19:06that you sit with the people
19:08and talk about PTI.
19:10No, it is not about you people.
19:12Nor is it about coming out of jail.
19:14If their agenda
19:16is only to get Imran Khan
19:18out of jail, then
19:20they are not a political party.
19:22They have no political
19:24ideology.
19:26Getting a leader released
19:28or getting him arrested
19:30has nothing to do with ideology.
19:32Sir, it has to do with ideology
19:34because if Imran Khan comes out,
19:36then the confusion
19:38in his party
19:40will only improve
19:42his politics.
19:44No,
19:46those things
19:48can get even worse
19:50if their decisions
19:52are like this.
19:54What difference will it make
19:56if they
19:58are a political party?
20:00Then they should sit with the political parties
20:02and talk about
20:04the political issues
20:06of this country.
20:08They should do the Charter of Economy.
20:10They should join the Charter of Democracy.
20:12You have
20:14shrugged it off.
20:16You are not taking their protest seriously.
20:18We have seen that whenever
20:20Ms. Aleema comes and gives a statement
20:22on behalf of Mr. Khan,
20:24whether it is Gauhar Khan
20:26or someone else,
20:28it has always happened.
20:30That is why their statements have a lot of weight.
20:32If she comes and says
20:34that there will be a nationwide call,
20:36Mr. Khan has said that those people should also decide
20:38who are playing on both sides of the wicket.
20:40We know that there are a lot of people
20:42who are playing on both sides of the wicket.
20:44We can see that they are going
20:46towards one last big blow.
20:48No,
20:50that blow will not happen.
20:52There will be a nationwide call.
20:54They will try.
20:56But that attempt
20:58will be in vain.
21:00Just like
21:02on 24th November,
21:04whatever steps they took,
21:06they went way back.
21:08They went way back.
21:10They suffered a big political loss.
21:12If they do it now,
21:14they will suffer more.
21:16And if
21:18they sit with the political parties,
21:20they will suffer more.
21:22You said earlier that
21:24first they are abused, then we are abused.
21:26There is a clash, conflict at their place.
21:28Even now, this has become very personal.
21:30Field Marshall and others.
21:32So, are you more satisfied
21:34with the fact that
21:36the establishment will take care of us later.
21:38Is that why
21:40you are more satisfied?
21:42No, no.
21:44The government will take care.
21:46We have to maintain the law and order.
21:50The establishment will not
21:52maintain the law and order.
21:54The government has to maintain it.
21:56They have to do it for us
21:58in Islamabad.
22:00They don't have to do it for anyone else.
22:02Last question.
22:04So, you are basically
22:06calling this an empty threat.
22:08You genuinely don't have any problem
22:10with this call?
22:12No, Mr. Malik.
22:14This is not an empty threat.
22:16The matter is
22:18that
22:20they are not in this position.
22:22If they ban the CPEC route,
22:24Mr. Rana,
22:26China is standing with us.
22:28I am talking about the assessment.
22:30You don't know.
22:32You also know
22:34that if a political
22:36party says
22:38that they will do this,
22:40then why won't
22:42a political worker
22:44know about the capacity
22:46of the CPEC route?
22:48You are a journalist.
22:50Don't you know what position
22:52you are in?
22:54Mr. Rana, if the CPEC route
22:56is banned,
22:58China has helped
23:00Pakistan
23:02militarily
23:04and economically
23:06in every way.
23:08If the CPEC route
23:10is banned,
23:12then will this
23:14movement be forced
23:16by you to look at it
23:18from any other perspective?
23:20No.
23:22Can they ban it or will you tell me?
23:24If they are in this position,
23:26will they ban it?
23:28The roads have to be stopped.
23:30Two or four hundred people
23:32can stop the roads if you have your own government in the province.
23:34I am asking this because
23:36they have their own government in KP.
23:38Who will stop them?
23:40Okay.
23:42Will they stop them?
23:44Absolutely.
23:46How will they move forward
23:48without a governor?
23:50How will they move forward without a governor?
23:52How will they move forward without a governor?
23:54No, no.
23:56They will move forward without a governor.
23:58There is no such thing.
24:00If you say so.
24:02All the roads
24:04will move forward
24:06without a governor.
24:08Okay.
24:10Thank you very much.
24:12Let's take a break.
24:14After the break,
24:16let's take a look at PTI and the opposition.
24:18Stay with us.
24:24Welcome back to the show.
24:26Our guest today is
24:28Hamid Reza,
24:30chairman of Sunnithaat Council.
24:32These days, there is a lot of news
24:34about the reserve seats.
24:36Let's talk about that.
24:38You meet Mr. Khan
24:40and everyone listens to you.
24:42I was just talking to Mr. Rana Sinha.
24:44You announced the movement.
24:46It is absolutely
24:48chill.com.
24:50They say that you don't have any sense.
24:52You don't know where to start
24:54and where to end the movement.
24:56You don't understand.
24:58Mr. Khan says that
25:00you should have called yourself
25:02the king of the jungle.
25:04Gaur Khan, your PTI chairman,
25:06who is very well-promoted,
25:08has also praised
25:10his king Salman.
25:12Today, Ms. Neema said
25:14that it is a controversial statement
25:16and Mr. Khan is playing
25:18both sides of the wicket.
25:20Party chairman says
25:22that you should keep the workers happy.
25:24We will go to the courts.
25:26Half a liter of you says
25:28that we will not get justice from the courts.
25:30There is a strange confusion.
25:32Yesterday, I was watching
25:34the PSL final.
25:36Two months ago,
25:40no PM or any other leader
25:42used to go to these public functions.
25:44The slogans used to start.
25:46Prisoner number 104.
25:48Yesterday, in the stadium,
25:50there were no slogans of Prisoner number 104.
25:52And Pakistan Zindabad.
25:54It seemed that the atmosphere
25:56has changed.
25:58When you see all these things,
26:00will the movement be able to run?
26:02Thank you very much, Mr. Malik.
26:06I would like to say two or three things.
26:08First of all,
26:10my point of view is that
26:12movement is the name of a phase.
26:14You start from the bottom
26:16in different phases.
26:18Endgame is never in politics.
26:20But you can call it
26:22the final phase.
26:24You enter your movement.
26:26I am against this.
26:28You give a call after 20-25 days
26:30that you have to go to D-Chowk on this date.
26:32I am personally
26:34against D-Chowk.
26:36Because D-Chowk proved to be a graveyard
26:38for every political movement.
26:42I was the head of the Alliance
26:44Strategy Committee.
26:46We had four phases,
26:48which consisted of three months.
26:50We made a strategy
26:52and I and the team
26:54which was the head of the committee,
26:56we handed over
26:58the leadership of Pakistan to him.
27:00Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf was also a part of it.
27:02That was approved there.
27:04We started it.
27:06The first phase was six APCs.
27:08From Lahore,
27:10but then came the phase of war.
27:12Now we are going to start it again.
27:14Secondly,
27:16I have a rivalry with Mr. Rana Sinhaullah.
27:18My father is also a part of it.
27:20When Mr. Rana Sinhaullah
27:22is satisfied,
27:24then we are satisfied.
27:26When Mr. Rana Sinhaullah
27:28is satisfied,
27:30then we are also satisfied.
27:32When Mr. Rana Sinhaullah
27:34is satisfied,
27:36then we are also satisfied.
27:38Look at the situation.
27:40The Supreme Court has also said
27:42that there are trials of civilians
27:44in the military courts.
27:46There are cases of PTA, MNAs, etc.
27:48There are cases of PTA, MNAs, etc.
27:50You can take extra seats,
27:52but the original seats
27:54will be taken away.
27:56Now,
27:58the situation is like this.
28:00The INE bench has changed.
28:02The courts have changed a lot.
28:04You claim that
28:06you will go to the courts,
28:08but you don't expect justice.
28:10At the same time,
28:12the image problem of the institution
28:14has changed a lot.
28:16Two months ago,
28:18there was definitely a national divide.
28:20Now, it is not visible.
28:22I thought that
28:24there would be things in the stadium,
28:26but nothing has happened.
28:28The situation has not cooled down.
28:30Even in India,
28:32Modi leaves a new show every day.
28:34So, that thing is boiling.
28:36The state of war is still going on.
28:38The ceasefire is still going on.
28:40So,
28:42what is the ceasefire?
28:44There is a momentum of movement,
28:46which was already there.
28:48Shouldn't the priority be
28:50to get Imran Khan out?
28:52If he comes out,
28:54things will start to improve.
28:56Imran Khan has to come out.
28:58That is the first priority.
29:00But, Imran Khan is very clear
29:02that he will not come out
29:04with any kind of a deal.
29:06Now,
29:08he said that he will talk to the establishment.
29:10Did he make a proper condition
29:12or did he clear his stance
29:14that even if the establishment
29:16negotiates,
29:18the deal will not be about me
29:20or about my cases?
29:22Why do people think the word deal is bad?
29:24A deal can be made
29:26on normal, broader principles.
29:28It can be made.
29:30No doubt.
29:32When we go out of the court,
29:34we don't want to go out of the country
29:36like Mian Sahib did.
29:38We don't want to go out of the country
29:40like that.
29:42If Imran Khan comes out
29:44as a result of a conversation,
29:46do you think his popularity will be affected?
29:48I don't think so.
29:50No, sir.
29:52I don't think Imran Khan will be affected.
29:54But, Imran Khan said that he has taken a stand
29:56and he will not back down.
29:58This is the real thing.
30:00Shouldn't there be hesitation in politics?
30:02Yes, there should be hesitation in politics.
30:04But, when you take the attitude of revenge
30:06to such an extent
30:08that you don't let his family meet,
30:10his sisters meet,
30:12the way you keep them there,
30:14the environment there,
30:16the way you treat his workers,
30:18the way you treat his party leaders,
30:20the way you treat the sitting parliamentarians.
30:22Imran Khan keeps saying
30:24that he will not talk to the government.
30:26He can talk to the establishment
30:28because he has a large national interest.
30:30But, everything about the establishment
30:32has been made personal.
30:34The day Field Marshal
30:36is appointed,
30:38you don't even talk to him.
30:40On that day,
30:42whether he becomes the king of the jungle
30:44or whatever.
30:46Today, Aleema Bibi has come out
30:48and she has said that it is a Yazidi gang.
30:50Now, on one hand,
30:52he is the king of the jungle
30:54and on the other hand,
30:56it is a Yazidi gang.
30:58Then you say that if those people
31:00will talk to us,
31:02then they are humans.
31:04How will they talk?
31:06If these personalities
31:08will go to this extent,
31:10what is your logic?
31:12Do you want to abuse
31:14the person you want to talk to?
31:16Do you want to increase
31:18your personal enmity with that person?
31:20I will tell you.
31:22Khan sir was not ready to talk to the government.
31:24But, in January,
31:26Khan sir was told by everyone
31:28and Khan sir gave him a second thought.
31:30Khan sir said, go for the negotiations
31:32and talk to the government.
31:34There were only two things.
31:36There was a non-judicial commission
31:38and the government had decided
31:40that whoever is guilty,
31:42not only will I disown him,
31:44but I will also condemn that act.
31:46With this saying,
31:48on 26th November,
31:50the judicial commission
31:52made the government.
31:54The way the government conducted
31:56those negotiations,
31:58the way they took those negotiations forward,
32:00Khan sir was not ready to talk.
32:02No, no, no.
32:04Khan sir had given a written statement.
32:06I don't see the interest of the government.
32:08What is the interest of the government
32:10in negotiating with you?
32:12You are asking for their seats.
32:14Why should they negotiate with you?
32:16I am talking about what you
32:18repeatedly say to the establishment.
32:20We want to talk to them.
32:22I met Gaur Khan and his army.
32:24He was very happy.
32:26He said, this is a very positive future.
32:28I just want to know
32:30that where you want to talk,
32:32you are directly talking to those people.
32:34Sir, there is a reason for that.
32:36When this war was going on,
32:38everyone had an assumption
32:40that PTI will go against this war.
32:42It will not support Pakistan.
32:44It will not support the soldiers
32:46who were fighting.
32:48But it was the opposite.
32:50The same digital terrorists
32:52became warriors.
32:54The reason for that was their conduct.
32:56When you showed so much positivity,
32:58and I want to bring this on record
33:00in your program,
33:02the opposition, including me,
33:04Umar Ayub,
33:06if you remove 10%
33:08of the speeches
33:10that we have made
33:12against India and Modi,
33:14I will be your witness.
33:16After that,
33:18you will see what happens.
33:20After that,
33:22the Punjab police
33:24will come to your houses
33:26and pick you up.
33:28In this heat,
33:30you are in a prison van.
33:32I can't breathe.
33:36How long do you think
33:38it will take to build up that movement?
33:40Sir, if you ask me,
33:42the phases that we had prepared,
33:44we need 2 to 2.5 months
33:46to enter the final phase.
33:48Do you still think that
33:50in 2 to 2.5 months,
33:52a movement can be formed?
33:54Sir, such a big movement,
33:56that before it reaches Islamabad,
33:58a lot will change.
34:00I have a very strong conviction on it.
34:02Because the kind of plan
34:04that we have planned,
34:06the kind of things that we have finalized,
34:08look, sir, what happens now,
34:10when a date is given,
34:12the people of Balochistan
34:14understand that we are not in it.
34:16It is only about Imran Khan.
34:18We have said that with a gap of 2 days,
34:20the first phase will be that
34:226 respective provinces,
34:24plus GB, plus Azad Kashmir,
34:26just regarding their local issues.
34:28And this is a 20-day procedure.
34:30In the National APC,
34:32on the 20th or 21st day,
34:34you will adopt the flags
34:36and declare the movement of flags.
34:38In which, on the issue of Balochistan,
34:40the people of Balochistan feel
34:42that our issue is also in it.
34:44Feel the issue of Sindh, KP, Punjab,
34:46GB, Azad Kashmir.
34:48When you go up under that agenda,
34:50the most important thing that I understand,
34:52a person will come out of KP,
34:54that is not an issue.
34:56The issue is of Punjab.
34:58The way to deal with Punjab's issue
35:00is different, sir.
35:02Punjab has a temperament
35:04that it does not come out on its own
35:06when there is a lot of blockage.
35:08Punjab comes out in that situation
35:10that if a convoy is coming from behind,
35:12Punjab keeps getting attached to it.
35:14The planning that we have given there,
35:16that is...
35:18So they will not let your convoy reach, right?
35:20No, sir. No, no, no.
35:22Let me tell you one thing, Mr. Malik.
35:24If we cross Rahim Yar Khan,
35:26then no one will be able to stop us, sir.
35:30Okay.
35:32And the second thing, sir,
35:34what they say,
35:36sir, I have a political right.
35:38I want to protest.
35:40I have a right.
35:42You said something very important
35:44that some people have disqualifications.
35:46My name is also included in them.
35:48Because on 9th May, I came from Imla,
35:50I was not even there that time.
35:52But, sir,
35:54you will have to decide here.
35:56It is my decision.
35:58This seat does not matter to me, sir.
36:00It is the 11th election of my family.
36:02My father was there six times.
36:04My grandfather was there.
36:06I am also a part of it.
36:08If I have to make a sacrifice
36:10for the improvement
36:12of Pakistan's political system,
36:14then I am ready for it.
36:16Do you believe that there are
36:18people who are against the movement?
36:20Of course, sir.
36:22He is the chairman of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
36:24And let me tell you one more thing.
36:26Mr. Khan has more information
36:28inside than outside people.
36:30So, if outside people are playing
36:32on both sides of the wicket,
36:34then how will the movement work?
36:36The same people are in the front.
36:38Sir, the people who resist the movement
36:40run the movement.
36:42The workers of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
36:44are all going to resist.
36:46So, if the movement works,
36:48then why will the people
36:50run the movement?
36:52There is no need to run the movement.
36:54The momentum of the movement
36:56depends on the approach
36:58of the people.
37:00I think everyone knows
37:02the approach of Raja Nasir Abbas.
37:04I know it.
37:06I know it.
37:08I know it.
37:10I know it.
37:12I know it.
37:14I know it.
37:16I know it.
37:18I know it.
37:20I know it.
37:22I know it.
37:24I know it.
37:26I know it.
37:28I know it.
37:30I know it.
37:32I know it.
37:34I know it.
37:36I know it.
37:38I know it.
37:40I know it.
37:42And you will declare it on my behalf
37:44that whatever happened to me,
37:46I have forgotten it.
37:48I will not take any revenge from anyone.
37:50And this Khan sir
37:52repeatedly says
37:54in the jail that
37:56I am not a man of a revengeful nature.
37:58Your target is always
38:00the establishment and military leadership.
38:02After the war of the army,
38:04there was a huge difference in the perception.
38:06And as I gave you an example yesterday,
38:08I saw that there were no slogans
38:10in the stadium,
38:12which was very surprising.
38:14Is this the right time to move?
38:16It is the right time, sir.
38:18I think
38:20this is the honeymoon period, sir.
38:22Whose honeymoon?
38:24Pakistan's Muktadara,
38:26Pakistan's government, sir.
38:28Do you think this is a temporary boil?
38:30Sir, of course.
38:32People's, gas, water, electricity, GDP,
38:34farmers'
38:36Do you think after the budget,
38:38we will be able to do it?
38:40That was our concept, sir.
38:42When the Pakistan Air Force was flying,
38:44we also had the same feeling
38:46that we will bring down
38:4810, 15, 20 Indian aircrafts.
38:50We were praying for our people.
38:52It was on the political side
38:54because it was the country's order.
38:56When the common man
38:58has to hit that thing again,
39:00there is no inflation.
39:02So you have put a lot of hope on the budget.
39:04Sir, just wait for another 20 days.
39:06You were bringing it on 2nd,
39:08now you are bringing it on 10th.
39:10In the last 2-3 minutes,
39:12there was an interesting observation
39:14of Justice Musarrat Halali.
39:16He said,
39:18you don't have a seat.
39:20You fought the election anyway.
39:22Where did you get this from?
39:24Agreed, sir.
39:26Sir,
39:28Justice Musarrat Halali
39:30was unwell at that time
39:32and was not part of the full court.
39:34When I was in the National Assembly,
39:36I got a call from my lawyer
39:38to reach there immediately.
39:40His Excellency,
39:42the one and only,
39:44the legendary Qazi Faizi
39:46is calling you.
39:48He wants to clear your name.
39:50I reached there.
39:52I am going to play something in front of you.
39:54Out of our MNAs,
39:5639 MNAs were given to PTI.
39:5841 were given to SIC.
40:0014 were kept independent.
40:02On which grounds
40:04were these 39 MNAs given to PTI?
40:06Their nomination papers were opened.
40:08On their nomination papers,
40:10Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf was written.
40:12So, they were awarded to Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
40:14The 41 MNAs were
40:16written as independent on their nomination papers.
40:18As they joined SIC,
40:20they were declared SIC.
40:22The 14 MNAs did not join SIC.
40:24They could not do any office
40:26of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
40:28They were kept independent.
40:30My nomination paper was called.
40:32When my nomination paper was called and opened,
40:34on my nomination paper,
40:36Sunni Tariq-e-Insaf was written.
40:38Justice Ayesha Malik
40:40and 4 other honourable judges
40:42said to the Election Commission,
40:44your case is finished.
40:46Because,
40:48it is written on the nomination paper.
40:50I am the only candidate
40:52who has been allotted 4 votes.
40:54They did not accept my party ticket.
40:56I was supposed to go.
40:58It is wrong to say
41:00that you did not vote for your party.
41:02My biggest testimony will be on my nomination paper.
41:04All my nominations
41:06are my third election.
41:08I am not left out.
41:10On my nomination paper,
41:12if it is written as independent,
41:14then I can conceive it myself.
41:16And if these 49 seats
41:18are being declared as PTI,
41:20on the ground that it has been written
41:22on their nomination papers,
41:24that they have written PTI there,
41:26and I have written SIC there.
41:28In the last 10 seconds,
41:30those 5 judges must have seen
41:32the nomination paper.
41:34Justice Ayesha Malik
41:36and all other judges said
41:38to the Election Commission,
41:40your case is finished.
41:42You are hopeful.
41:44When the decision was made,
41:46I expressed my reservations
41:48to the Parliamentary Party.
41:50I still think that
41:52the 39 seats of PTI
41:54in the National Assembly
41:56and the respective provinces
41:58should be given against it.
42:00But the SIC will not give it.
42:02This will be the biggest oppression.
42:04You have written SIC on my nomination paper.
42:06First you did not give me the SIC mark.
42:08Then at 2 am you gave me the Shuttlecock mark.
42:10At 11 am you gave me the Baloo mark.
42:12Sir,
42:14I am the only candidate
42:16in Pakistan
42:18whose electoral mark
42:20has been changed 4 times in 24 hours.
42:22What was the reason behind that to do so?
42:24There were two people,
42:26Raja Nasir Abbas and me,
42:28who had a perception that
42:30if they committed to PTI,
42:32they would not be able to break.
42:34So we were asked to take a break.
42:36There are other ways to take a break.
42:38Sir,
42:40we have to eat two meals a day.
42:42Allah has given us respect.
42:44Sir, thank you very much.
42:46We will take a short break.
42:48Welcome back to the show.
42:50Rana Sinhaullah,
42:52I think he is not worried at all.
42:54Maybe not at the moment.
42:56But I think,
42:58as Mr. Zardar was saying,
43:00this movement
43:02is very well thought out.
43:04If it is well thought out,
43:06it will be successful.
43:08The situation in the party,
43:10there are many conflicts going on.
43:12There has been a grouping.
43:14If a date is announced,
43:16then it may be more harmful
43:18than beneficial.
43:20My personal opinion is that
43:22the biggest need of PTI
43:24is that Imran Khan
43:26should be released from jail.
43:28And if we look at the recent
43:30statements,
43:32then I see the animosity
43:34increasing,
43:36not decreasing.
43:38What will happen in the coming days,
43:40we will see.
43:42May Allah protect you.
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