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UK, France and Canada threaten action against Israel over Gaza offensive - Maria Memon's Report
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- Dr Adil Najam (Analyst)
- Dr Kamran Bokhari (Analyst)
- Shahbaz Rana (Economist Analyst)
UK, France and Canada threaten action against Israel over Gaza offensive - Maria Memon's Report
Israel faces diplomatic backlash over Gaza aid restrictions - Experts' Analysis
Gaza Under Attack - Ab Israel Kya Karnay Jaraha Hai? - Adil Najam's Reaction
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Maiman and you are watching Top Stories in Ghaza.
00:15We are in the middle of a decision-making phase in the history of human history.
00:20We can see that the West and the whole world are talking about stopping the way of Israel,
00:24but they are not able to stop it practically.
00:26Let's see how the Pak-IMF talks went and what India wants to put in it.
00:30What are the challenges in that and will India be able to succeed in that?
00:35We will discuss this in the second part of the program.
00:37In the end, there are hidden meetings, the way of justice is accepting them,
00:42the government is denying them.
00:43What meetings are taking place, on which platform, at what level, on what conditions?
00:49We will talk about this in the last part of the program.
00:51But first of all, we will talk about the differences of Ghaza.
00:54In any way, this comparison is not appropriate.
00:58But two weeks ago, Pakistan and India enjoyed a very limited, short-term, 48-hour war,
01:06in which the citizens of both countries found out what happens when missiles fall on each other.
01:13When drones fly in each other's cities and they are killed, how much fear and harassment spreads.
01:18And when there is shelling and bombing on both sides of the people living on the line of control,
01:23what kind of PTSD do their children and their families suffer from?
01:27We saw a very small, very basic glimpse of it for 48 hours.
01:32This is the reality of the people of Ghaza for the past two years.
01:36These children, who have been on hunger strike for 11 weeks,
01:40and the road to Ghaza has been closed for any help,
01:43they are craving for food, for a piece of bread.
01:47If we think about ourselves, that our life is passing by,
01:52but the time for Ghaza has stopped there.
01:55The threats of the UN are increasing in this regard.
01:59The BBC has made a story, and according to it,
02:01after the long 11-week lockdown imposed on Israel in Ghaza,
02:05human aid has been delivered to 90 trucks by the UN on Friday.
02:11But according to the UN, the reason for the delay in aid is the lack of security on the approved road by the Israeli army.
02:19The UN fears that the current aid is not enough to meet the needs of a large scale in Ghaza.
02:27According to the UN, before the war, 500 trucks entered Ghaza on a daily basis.
02:33According to the BBC story, human rights organizations have warned
02:37that the population of Ghaza is a victim of extreme hunger.
02:41According to the Palestinian Ministry of Health,
02:43in the past few days, 29 children and adults in Ghaza have been martyred due to hunger.
02:47According to the UN, they have 6,000 trucks of food,
02:53which is enough to provide food to the population of Ghaza for two months.
02:58But due to Israeli restrictions, this is not possible.
03:02Almost two and a half years later, the conscience of the world has awakened.
03:06We can see their collective moral guilt, and it is still to the extent of statements.
03:11If we quickly look at the statements from all these countries,
03:14France, Britain and Canada have threatened Israel.
03:18On May 19, France, Britain and Canada issued a joint statement on the issuance of Israel,
03:23in which it was said that we strongly oppose the expansion of Israeli military operations in Gaza.
03:29The three countries said that Israel's announcement is completely insufficient
03:33to allow food to enter Gaza on a limited scale.
03:36In the joint statement, the three countries demanded that the Israeli government
03:40stop military operations in Gaza and allow humanitarian aid to enter Gaza.
03:45The three countries also demanded from Hamas that it release all Israeli mercenaries
03:50who have been in their captivity since October 7, 2023.
03:54For Israel, it is unacceptable to stop citizens from receiving basic humanitarian aid,
03:59and this is a violation of international human rights.
04:03We condemn the attack on Israel on October 7, 2023,
04:07but Israel's recent actions are completely unacceptable and inappropriate.
04:12We cannot remain silent on the serious actions of Netanyahu's government.
04:17But the Israeli Prime Minister, in response to this letter, in response to this statement,
04:21gave a perfect answer.
04:23He said that these three countries want to see Hamas in power at the moment.
04:27That's why he's saying this.
04:30These three leaders effectively said they want Hamas to remain in power.
04:34They want Israel to stand down.
04:36I say to President Macron, Prime Minister Karni, and Prime Minister Starmer,
04:40when mass murderers, rapists, baby killers, and kidnappers, thank you,
04:45you're on the wrong side of justice.
04:47You're on the wrong side of humanity.
04:49And you're on the wrong side of history.
04:53Impeachment Secretary Khadija is also warning Israel
04:57that it is entering diplomatic isolation.
05:02There are over 9000 trucks at the border.
05:05Prime Minister Netanyahu, end this blockade now and let the aid in.
05:12Regrettably, Madam Deputy Speaker, despite our efforts,
05:15this Israeli government's egregious actions and rhetoric have continued.
05:20They are isolating Israel from its friends and partners around the world,
05:24undermining the interests of the Israeli people,
05:26and damaging the image of the state of Israel in the eyes of the world.
05:31Israel's isolation is not only increasing at the diplomatic level,
05:35but if we look at it socially,
05:37the public support in all countries,
05:39along with the mainstream media,
05:42is also showing a narrative shift.
05:44Let's show you how some people who were publicly pro-Israel,
05:49like Piers Morgan,
05:51are changing their minds.
05:54The owner of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange,
05:56when he went to the Cannes Film Festival,
05:58was wearing a T-shirt with the names of the children
06:00who lost their lives in the Gaza Genocide.
06:03In addition to this, there is a lovely character of Mrs. Rachel.
06:06There, for the first time,
06:08we saw a Palestinian girl with a double amputee.
06:10So, the opinion of the opinion makers in the world,
06:13the activists,
06:14is also not in favor of Israel.
06:16After watching the segment of a 5-year-old Palestinian girl,
06:19you also smiled, we all smiled,
06:21but there was a fire in the bodies of the Israelis.
06:24The way Mrs. Rachel is being threatened,
06:26the way she is being harassed,
06:28the way she is being bullied,
06:30that is also a wonderful scene on social media.
06:33Anyway, this is not limited to social media only.
06:36The social fabric of America is also being greatly affected by this.
06:40Like all over the world,
06:41the students of Harvard University raise their voices about this,
06:44condemn Israel,
06:47express their opposition to the martyrs of Gaza.
06:51And then the Trump administration responded by signaling
06:55that Harvard University cannot enroll any foreign students right now.
07:01But since Harvard is a strong institution,
07:03they went to court and took a stand on it.
07:05For now, the American courts have made this policy stay here.
07:10But this is an increasing,
07:12a worrying issue for America's universities.
07:16Before the program,
07:17we have Dr. Adil Najam with us.
07:19He is the Dean of Boston University.
07:20Thank you very much, Dr. Najam.
07:21He is also from the Department of Education.
07:23So, we are also seeing in Harvard University
07:25that there is some confusion at the policy level.
07:28For now, the two courts have given it a stay.
07:30But this is also affecting universities all over America.
07:34We will also talk about Gaza and the situation in Israel.
07:37Dr. Kamran Bukhari is the Director of
07:39New Alliance Institute for Strategy and Policy
07:41from Washington.
07:42Thank you very much to both of you.
07:44Dr. Kamran Bukhari, let's start with you.
07:46We have just read the statement of Canada, France and Britain.
07:49We have also made our audience listen to it.
07:51The joint statement that has come before them,
07:53where they are expressing their concern about Israel,
07:55which we are seeing there,
07:56which has led the children to starvation.
07:58Children have been killed and more are expected.
08:01Do you feel that Israel is becoming a victim of
08:05separatist isolation?
08:06Overall, if we look at the media narrative there,
08:08if we look at the narrative of the civil society there?
08:11Yes, absolutely.
08:13This issue has already started.
08:15And it is not limited only to Canada and the European Union.
08:20If you look at America,
08:22the Trump administration is being dragged along with the Netanyahu government.
08:27If you look there,
08:29Vice President J.D. Vance,
08:31he had postponed his visit.
08:34He is basically telegraphing that
08:36we are not happy with your attitude.
08:39Actually, if you look at it on a large scale,
08:44the matter of Gaza is very delicate.
08:46I think that the strategic interests of Israel
08:50and the strategic interests of America
08:52have come to a special divergence.
08:54Israel has one view on the region
08:58and that is the same old view
09:00on which America has also been with them for many decades.
09:03America wants to do retrenchment.
09:06America is saying that
09:08we will not do heavy lifting in any region of the world.
09:11We want our allies and partners to take the lead
09:16for the security of that region.
09:18This is an issue for Israel.
09:20I think that is why the tension is increasing.
09:24Because the matter of Gaza has been going on since 2023.
09:28This is a new situation,
09:30a new development has started,
09:32especially with the arrangement
09:34that talks are going on with Iran,
09:36with Turkey, with Syria.
09:38They are on the same page.
09:40Trump's arrangement with the Erdogan government
09:42and you have also seen Saudi Arabia.
09:44I think that the American interests
09:47and the Israeli interests
09:50are not overlapping as before.
09:53Dr. Adil, there is a lot of contradiction
09:58if we look at American foreign policy.
10:00Trump talks on one side
10:02and his actions are different on the other side.
10:05There is news that
10:07foreign students at Harvard University
10:10were asked to be banned.
10:13The courts are challenging
10:15and trying to stop Trump.
10:19But this is a domestic issue
10:21and a domestic problem for America as well.
10:24The students studying at the university
10:27are directly affected by this.
10:31Yes, they are.
10:33Not only at Harvard,
10:35they are affected everywhere.
10:37But that is a very big issue
10:39at an immediate level.
10:41But its roots are elsewhere.
10:43You said earlier that
10:45the American government is
10:47subject to contradictions.
10:49I think it is more than that.
10:51You cannot say it is implosion.
10:53But as it happens in many countries,
10:55there is a system change.
10:57Sometimes there is a martial law,
10:59sometimes a revolution,
11:01sometimes a change of power.
11:03I am not going into hyperbole,
11:05but there is a structural shift
11:07in the government.
11:09Whether it will stay or not,
11:11the American war is with America.
11:13You can see all kinds of efforts
11:15whether it is in foreign policy
11:17or trade policy.
11:19These institutions,
11:21especially the ones
11:23led by Trump and his associates
11:25Peter Thiel,
11:27like Musk,
11:29the intellectual power
11:31comes from Thiel.
11:33One aspect of that is
11:35that they are anti-experts.
11:37Because Harvard
11:39becomes a symbol of expertise.
11:41So this generation
11:43of techno,
11:45some people call it
11:47techno-fascist,
11:49whatever,
11:51they have this kind of economic power
11:53which we have seen very little in history.
11:55Now they are demonstrating
11:57that the source of our expertise
11:59is with us
12:01and not with anyone else.
12:03And we see it in wars,
12:05in NSF funding,
12:07in research,
12:09in visas, in Harvard.
12:11As far as Harvard is concerned,
12:13probably on a legal ground,
12:15it will be reversed because it is so ridiculous
12:17that it will not happen.
12:19The impact is there.
12:21The impact is that
12:23we will say it and you will do it.
12:25Two or three big institutions like Harvard
12:27will fight it a little.
12:29The rest of the poor
12:31who have 2,000 universities
12:33will say yes, sir.
12:35So beyond the culture war,
12:37I think, what is the structure
12:39of a structural institution?
12:41As the
12:43American polity changes,
12:45this is its war.
12:47And all those things
12:49including foreign policy
12:51come into play
12:53because now
12:55everything is in flux
12:57and the decision of anything cannot be made
12:59on the basis that it used to be like this.
13:01Because the whole game
13:03is not to do what used to be.
13:05So the metrics
13:07that we have on how we will decide
13:09what will happen now,
13:11they start crumbling.
13:13And there is no manual.
13:15No one has a blueprint.
13:17No one has an example
13:19of the pain of the past.
13:21There are new examples.
13:23Dr. Kamran, I will move to you.
13:25President Trump has also visited
13:27Mashar-e-Busta.
13:29Obviously, if the issue of Israel
13:31has not been discussed publicly
13:33or if no big statements
13:35have been made about it,
13:37this is an elephant in the room.
13:39Do you think that after President Trump's
13:41visit to Mashar-e-Busta,
13:43there will be some hope
13:45that there will be progress
13:47or that Israel
13:49will consider it
13:51an unfinished business?
13:53But do you think
13:55there will be a difference?
13:57Look,
13:59this is not sustainable.
14:01The current situation of Israel
14:03is very extraordinary
14:05because
14:07the ruling party
14:09or the branch
14:11of the left
14:13is of the far right.
14:15And Prime Minister
14:17Benjamin Netanyahu
14:19is leading it.
14:21But this branch
14:23has a clash
14:25with its own people
14:27of Israel.
14:29And this clash is not of today.
14:31This clash is of October 7,
14:332023, when Hamas attacked.
14:35Before that,
14:37if you remember,
14:39demonstrations were going on
14:41against Netanyahu from above.
14:43So, look, it is not over yet.
14:45There was a war in the middle
14:47and there was an upheaval
14:49in that movement.
14:51But now that the war is over,
14:53what more will the war do?
14:55So now all those things
14:57that are happening in the Israeli society
14:59are coming out.
15:01Adil just said
15:03America is at war with itself.
15:05We are seeing that in Israel too.
15:07And we should not treat
15:09them monolithically
15:11that there is only one position
15:13of Israel.
15:15Now look at the leadership of Shin Bet,
15:17which is their secret agency.
15:19They are fighting with it.
15:21They want to put a new director
15:23there of their own free will.
15:25That is also a dispute.
15:27So this is going on at many levels
15:29with Israel.
15:31As far as Trump administration is concerned,
15:33what I have understood is that
15:35they see that there are four powers
15:37in the region.
15:39Turkey, Israel, Iran,
15:41and Saudi Arabia.
15:43How to balance the four?
15:45And this is a very difficult task
15:47because not only are there
15:49differences with every player
15:51in America,
15:53but there are also very deep differences
15:55between them.
15:57But if you want to call it a blueprint,
15:59then it is a rough one.
16:01Look,
16:03Iran, if you get rid of
16:05nuclear weapons,
16:07then we can do business with you.
16:09So that is one dream going on.
16:11Look,
16:13you are not in Levant,
16:15you are in Syria-Lebanon,
16:17and your influence is gone.
16:19And your influence is in Iraq.
16:21Okay, you stay there.
16:23But you also have influence
16:25with the Houthis in Yemen.
16:27But there you cannot interdict
16:29international shipping.
16:31This is one process
16:33going on.
16:35Secondly,
16:37regarding Syria,
16:39I think this arrangement
16:41is with Turkey.
16:43You manage it,
16:45make this state,
16:47but you basically
16:49tag-team with
16:51Saudi Arabia.
16:53That is why
16:55the meeting of
16:57President Donald Trump
16:59We are still standing there.
17:01We are not
17:03going against
17:05your national interest.
17:07We are always on it.
17:09But how to disentangle
17:11all these players.
17:13And the Palestinian
17:15is saying that
17:17Saudi Arabia, you lead it.
17:19For many centuries,
17:21you have relied on America
17:23to bring you a two-state solution.
17:25Neither can we do it,
17:27This is your own matter.
17:29You should own this process.
17:57I agree with you diplomatically.
18:15I think guilt is there.
18:17A big part
18:19of it is guilt.
18:21Your first question
18:23with Kamran,
18:25that shift is abundantly clear
18:27and
18:29historically dramatic.
18:31By shift, I mean
18:33the West's
18:35pro-Israel opinion
18:37of the general public
18:39and the governments.
18:41The shift seems very slow to us
18:43because we were clearly on the other side.
18:45But if you see
18:47how it has shifted in Europe
18:49and in America.
18:51The hosts you see,
18:53I think
18:55it has shifted
18:57to the avant-garde,
18:59the leading edge.
19:01That is why
19:03universities were at the front.
19:05And the second is just reality
19:07on the ground.
19:09You cannot unsee
19:11what you keep seeing.
19:13How many pictures will you deny?
19:15How many videos will you deny?
19:17The onslaught
19:19in the last two years,
19:21I am saying again,
19:23a historically dramatic shift
19:25in the public opinion in Europe.
19:27Partly, it is guilt.
19:29Partly, it is this.
19:31What you said,
19:33Kamran is more of a realist
19:35and I am more of an idealist.
19:37I am afraid, I don't have any information.
19:39I am afraid that
19:41Israel has made it clear
19:43that they are going for the final thrust.
19:45I hope I am wrong.
19:47What you said,
19:49I am sure,
19:51you have pointed out
19:53Dr. Adil.
19:55Kamran, I want to ask you the same question.
19:57Dr. Adil is saying
19:59that you have the same concerns.
20:01The term, flatten the surface,
20:03I use it because in the western media
20:05it is being read again and again
20:07by the Israeli authorities.
20:09Do you think
20:11this is a final
20:13decision?
20:15Is this a genocide?
20:17Look,
20:19as Adil said,
20:21I am a bit of a realist.
20:23I will admit that.
20:25If you look at it strategically,
20:27Israel has
20:29multiple fronts.
20:31Israel is also seeing,
20:33they have not closed their eyes,
20:35that America's attitude
20:37has changed.
20:39So, if
20:41such an action is taken,
20:43the question is
20:45where will the pushback come from?
20:47The pushback will come from America.
20:49What is not being looked at here
20:51is that in the Republican Party,
20:53there is an anti-war
20:55camp
20:57which is very powerful.
20:59If you look at Tucker Carlson's shows,
21:01the kind of interviews he does,
21:03they are a sign of
21:05what the thinking of this organization is.
21:07Here, in the Republican Party,
21:09those people who
21:11were anti-Iran, pro-Israel,
21:13and those people
21:15who we call MAGA,
21:17the Make America Great Again movement,
21:19there is a clash going on between them.
21:21This is not hidden anymore.
21:23So, the question is
21:25if Israel does such a thing,
21:27then in America,
21:29I don't think
21:31it can have such a blind eye.
21:33And then, I will say again
21:35that even within Israel,
21:37this kind of
21:39action,
21:41this kind of final thrust,
21:43final push,
21:45I don't think there is consensus on it.
21:47Yes, what is the consensus on?
21:49When all is said and done,
21:51Hamas should not be the government.
21:53Now, what will happen after that?
21:55There are disagreements on that.
21:57These organizations,
21:59Israel says,
22:01we don't even want the Palestinian Authority.
22:03But, Saudi Arabia,
22:05America, Turkey,
22:07Egypt, Jordan, etc.,
22:09if you have created
22:11a vacuum in Gaza,
22:13then no country
22:15is ready to own it.
22:17So, who will govern
22:19there?
22:21Netanyahu
22:23says,
22:25we will do it.
22:27We will occupy it again.
22:29We will annex it,
22:31if you ask people
22:33in the far right.
22:35But, the reality is that
22:37occupying Israel is a big undertaking.
22:39Then, there is a war going on in Syria.
22:41There is a new government in Syria.
22:43Because of this,
22:45there is a struggle with Turkey.
22:47There is a need for deconfliction.
22:49I don't think Israel will open such a big front.
22:51That's just my view.
22:53Dr. Adil, while you are
22:55summarizing this debate,
22:57we are hearing statements from the West
22:59that Israel will not be allowed to move forward.
23:01They will not be given
23:03an open license.
23:05There is a test case
23:07that if you mean business,
23:09then you should facilitate
23:11food distribution in Gaza.
23:13You should end the siege there.
23:15Food should reach the children.
23:17The elderly, women, men,
23:19everyone. But, the world
23:21has not been able to do anything about it.
23:25You are right.
23:27The number of food trucks is also decreasing.
23:29In a way,
23:31it is becoming easier.
23:33Kamran's
23:35strategic analysis,
23:37I think is correct.
23:39More than that, I hope that Israel
23:41will not do such adventurism.
23:43As I said, I don't have any information.
23:45I only have the fears of the world.
23:47And those fears are there
23:49because, again, I hope that
23:51they will remain strategic
23:53and this type of rational thinking
23:55will apply.
23:57But, they partly come from the fact
23:59that we are not getting things from the world.
24:01We are not getting things from the world.
24:03We are not getting things from the world.
24:05We are not getting things from the world.
24:07We are not getting things from the world.
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24:21We are not getting things from the world.
24:23We are not getting things from the world.
24:25We are not getting things from the world.
24:27We are not getting things from the world.
24:29We are not getting things from the world.
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24:33We are not getting things from the world.
24:35We are not getting things from the world.
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25:23We are not getting things from the world.
25:25We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:27We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:29We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:31We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:33We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:35We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:37We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:39We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:41We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:43We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:45We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:47We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:49We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:51We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:53We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:55We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:57We are witnessing the end of the world.
25:59We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:01We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:03We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:05We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:07We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:09We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:11We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:13We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:15We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:17We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:19We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:21We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:23We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:25We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:27We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:29We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:31We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:33We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:35We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:37We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:39We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:41We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:43We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:45We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:47We are witnessing the end of the world.
26:49According to Alamiya,
26:51reforms have been taken into consideration
26:53for the improvement of prosperity and
26:55economic development.
26:57Strict monetary policy has been
26:59implemented to control inflation.
27:01Inflation has been increased by 5-7%.
27:03According to IMF Alamiya,
27:05the government is grateful for the
27:07cooperation of the government.
27:09The government appreciates the efforts
27:11of Pakistan on building talks.
27:13It is commendable that Pakistan's
27:15economic policy is stable.
27:17The talks will continue in a positive manner.
27:19India tried to disrupt the IMF talks.
27:21India tried to disrupt the IMF talks.
27:23India tried to disrupt the IMF talks.
27:25Despite this, the $1 billion loan
27:27has continued.
27:29Despite this, the $1 billion loan
27:31has continued.
27:33India will try to put Pakistan
27:35in the grey list of FATF.
27:37India will try to put Pakistan
27:39in the grey list of FATF.
27:41India will try to put Pakistan
27:43in the grey list of FATF.
27:45India will try to put Pakistan
27:47in the grey list of FATF.
27:49India will try to put Pakistan
27:51in the grey list of FATF.
27:53India will try to put Pakistan
27:55in the grey list of FATF.
27:57India will try to put Pakistan
27:59in the grey list of FATF.
28:01India will try to put Pakistan
28:03in the grey list of FATF.
28:05India will try to put Pakistan
28:07in the grey list of FATF.
28:09India will try to put Pakistan
28:11in the grey list of FATF.
28:13India will try to put Pakistan
28:15in the grey list of FATF.
28:17India will try to put Pakistan
28:19in the grey list of FATF.
28:21India will try to put Pakistan
28:23in the grey list of FATF.
28:25India will try to put Pakistan
28:27in the grey list of FATF.
28:29India will try to put Pakistan
28:31in the grey list of FATF.
28:33India will try to put Pakistan
28:35in the grey list of FATF.
28:37India will try to put Pakistan
28:39in the grey list of FATF.
28:41India will try to put Pakistan
28:43in the grey list of FATF.
28:45India will try to put Pakistan
28:47in the grey list of FATF.
28:49India will try to put Pakistan
28:51in the grey list of FATF.
28:53India will try to put Pakistan
28:55in the grey list of FATF.
28:57India will try to put Pakistan
28:59in the grey list of FATF.
29:01India will try to put Pakistan
29:03in the grey list of FATF.
29:05India will try to put Pakistan
29:07in the grey list of FATF.
29:09One thing we need to talk about
29:11is that when we take foreign loans
29:13do we need these loans?
29:15As far as the IMF program is concerned
29:17we need the IMF program
29:19in our economic situation.
29:21The IMF loan is not that much
29:23the IMF loan is not that much
29:25it is a loan of $7,000,000
29:27you will get it in 3 years.
29:29State Bank of Pakistan
29:31purchased from $11,000,000 to $12,000,000 market
29:33but along with that the UAE package
29:35which is a cash deposit,
29:37China's cash deposit
29:39they are asking for guarantee
29:41that we need to be under the umbrella of the IMF
29:43so that we can be disciplined.
29:45If we can ensure our self-discipline
29:47then we may not need the umbrella of the IMF.
29:49The second thing which is more important
29:51is that I have been observing
29:53the lending of the World Bank for a long time
29:55the loans of the World Bank for Pakistan
29:57are not that much productive
29:59there is a huge waste in it.
30:01We used to get support from the World Bank
30:03in the budget
30:05for the budget financing and support
30:07this financial year is over
30:09the World Bank did not give any money
30:11in the next financial year
30:13if you see the IMF report
30:15for the next financial year
30:17the IMF has shown the budget support of the World Bank
30:19they have shown only $25 crores of ADB
30:21so if we do not get the budget support of the World Bank
30:23which is not a productive expenditure
30:25then it is a waste of money.
30:27The second loan you get from the World Bank
30:29you get it in the project financing
30:31and project financing frankly speaking
30:33if a project fails
30:35then the World Bank gives an additional loan
30:37so this is not a good thing.
30:39On an average
30:41we get loans of the World Bank
30:43for 1 to 1.5 billion dollars
30:45in which there are a lot of waste in the cost
30:47the cost of project management units
30:49the cost of foreign consultants
30:51are included in these projects
30:53so we have to be self-reliant
30:55so that the vulnerabilities
30:57which can be exploited outside
30:59can be addressed by us.
31:01I have also done a lot of programs on this
31:03the budget is coming
31:05we have to increase the tax net
31:07the amount of tax that we have given
31:09I think all of us should get
31:11an award for this
31:13the amount of tax that
31:15we have taken
31:17are you seeing any relief
31:19because the IMF is saying to increase the tax net
31:21so who will get it?
31:25See, the discussions about the budget
31:27of Pakistan and the IMF are incomplete
31:29and with incomplete discussions
31:31the IMF team has gone back
31:33and there were a lot of reasons
31:35to be incomplete
31:37the discussions ended without a result
31:39and they will continue virtually
31:41and virtual continuation means
31:43that the dates under which
31:45this matter was to be decided
31:47have not been decided yet
31:49there is also an issue
31:51of taxing the solid class
31:53the governments of Pakistan
31:55especially the Prime Minister
31:57through the FDR
31:59should get a reasonable relief for the solid class
32:01because the pressure on the solid class
32:03there is no doubt about it
32:05there is no other segment of Pakistan
32:07there is no pressure on it
32:09take an example of this
32:11the Tajirdaw scheme
32:1350 billion rupees
32:15was to be collected from them
32:1730 to 35 lakh rupees
32:1930 to 35 lakh
32:21we are the poor people
32:23the solid class
32:25we have given
32:27437 billion rupees
32:2935 lakh on one side
32:31437 billion rupees on the other
32:33and the increase in this is 52%
32:35the inflation in the country
32:37all the tax collection
32:39from solid class last year
32:4152% has already been increased
32:4310 months, 2 months left
32:45437 billion rupees, your 550 billion rupees
32:47did not go anywhere
32:49525 billion rupees
32:51the government is trying
32:53if I sum up
32:55the issue is stuck
32:59the issue is stuck
33:01when IMF says alternate
33:03the FDR is lazy
33:05it is better
33:07that the FDR leaves the solid class
33:09and the government
33:11find some other way
33:13thank you very much
33:15as always
33:17we will go on a break
33:19after that we will talk about some internal politics
33:21domestic politics
33:51Barista Gohar
33:53he is also a fan of Mulaqat
33:55but how much he himself is from this party
33:57there are many such questions
33:59but please tell us about Muzakirat
34:01who is talking to whom
34:03Maria
34:05the on ground
34:07the meeting that has come
34:09is of Barista Saif
34:11Barista Gohar
34:13there are talks
34:15but no such thing has come up
34:17we have not seen any event
34:19he does this
34:21he tells
34:23that something is happening
34:25but we have seen Barista Saif
34:27that he met
34:29Rana Snaoula
34:31and you know
34:33that Rana Saif has
34:35complete mandate of government
34:37and Muslim League
34:39there are some parties
34:41in PTI
34:43they start on their own
34:45but Rana Saif has
34:47he is the president of Muslim League Punjab
34:49he is also the advisor of PM
34:51they met few days ago
34:53in Islamabad with Barista Saif
34:55now the important thing
34:57is the selection of government
34:59that the government
35:01in all parties
35:03chose Barista Saif
35:05and they understood that they have to talk to him
35:07and they have to talk to him
35:09because you see
35:11when everyone from PTI
35:13is not allowed to meet
35:15so we get to know about one person
35:17that Barista Saif meets him
35:19now one person
35:21earlier there were two
35:23earlier Ali Ameen Gandapur also used to meet him
35:25both of them used to meet
35:27but Gandapur
35:29after few days of being in Islamabad
35:31he is not able to meet him
35:33and during this time Barista Saif meets him
35:35so the government
35:37has all information
35:39they have institutions
35:41so they understood
35:43and at a crucial time
35:45they talked to Barista Saif
35:47but what was the conversation?
35:49yes, yes, I was coming to this
35:51the special thing is that
35:53the conversation was
35:55as it should be
35:57Rana Saif directly told them
35:59that we want peace
36:01from Bani PTI and PTI
36:03so they put two or three conditions
36:05and this is confirmed from both sides
36:07ok
36:09the first condition
36:11if you want to talk to us
36:13then you should not tell the establishment
36:15that you have no value
36:17we will talk there
36:19so first you confirm this
36:21and the second
36:23they said that
36:25we will have to make peace
36:27not only with Noon League
36:29but also with People's Party
36:31so the meaning of that peace
36:33is that you should not come out
36:35and say that I will not leave
36:37and the government
36:39and there is a demand
36:41that in many cases
36:43if the government steps back
36:45then they can get bail
36:47from the courts
36:49so on this
36:51Barista Saif agreed
36:53that
36:55what you are saying
36:57and if you want to talk
36:59to Muslim League Noon
37:01then you have to talk to them
37:03and Barista Saif
37:05said that
37:07he will talk
37:09to the head of his party
37:11and he did that two days ago
37:13and
37:15there is one more special thing
37:17that they
37:19do not talk much
37:21but they meet
37:23so they are busy
37:25and there is a claim
37:27now you will understand
37:29what is the problem of PTI
37:31when we broke this news two days ago
37:33when we met Barista Saif and Rana
37:35so we got a call
37:37from PTI's senior leaders
37:39I am talking about
37:41the parliamentarians
37:43they asked
37:45why Barista Saif is meeting
37:47what is happening
37:49so you can understand
37:51that they drag each other
37:53if someone is doing something
37:55then it hurts others
37:57but what is the mandate
37:59of Barista Saif
38:01is Mr. Khan authorized
38:03or they are trying
38:05on their own
38:07you can understand
38:09the mandate
38:11when everyone
38:13is restricted
38:15then they meet
38:17and till now
38:19many people
38:21like Mr. Marwad
38:23and many others
38:25are out
38:27Mr. Khan said
38:29to rest
38:31we do not get
38:33any message
38:35so it is
38:37important for them
38:39to meet and
38:41the government
38:43should meet
38:45and the meeting
38:47should be kept secret
38:49there is a meeting
38:51which is kept secret
38:53but thank you
38:55for giving us
38:57information
38:59the program is over
39:01do not forget to give your feedback
39:03good bye