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00:00let's get into it i'm excited to talk with the two of you guys i mean uh talk about just a
00:06sudden shift in momentum as the two of you being both uh knowing your way around movement you can
00:11understand how that that might happen so i imagine re-watching it must have been an experience in
00:17and of itself considering the momentum you were riding both like in person and watching yourselves
00:21back as well yeah absolutely to put it lightly yeah i feel like watching it back i was actually
00:30pretty pleased that i felt like we were having fun more than it felt like at the time and so i was
00:38really proud to see that um and you know watching it back i think we really underestimated how strong
00:45of a team we were so to see like what we actually could accomplish under pressure and being with our
00:50back okay so while i was really proud to see yeah well yeah oh go ahead so go ahead no i i just
00:57gonna yeah no i just it was it was interesting especially this like to watch us back um but uh
01:03yeah we still have fun no no so that was nice well let's rewind back before any of this uh racing
01:09began and let's talk about what got you on the show in the first place because again you two are booked
01:15and blessed in multiple ways so i'm curious what was your history with the show and what was the
01:21process that made you guys decide that this was something you wanted to do yourself well we i back
01:29in the day we were fans for a long time so i would watch with my grandparents and he'd watch with his
01:33grandparents before we met since the show started so we've been watching this from season one yeah so
01:39we've been big fans and we talked about that when we were dating and all that jazz and uh you know
01:45what came up but i'll tell you i'll tell you what came up uh you don't have to ask me twice um no
01:51we've always said we're gonna be on the race since we first got together over 10 years ago
01:55and over time we wanted to apply and we got to a place where we didn't have the same day off for at
02:02least like the last seven or eight years besides besides covid and we were like we need something to
02:07change we need to get away um we really wanted to feel like a team again because we had been
02:12kind of dividing and conquering in life and so the race really gave us opportunity to get away from the
02:17world and kind of remind ourselves what it looked like when we are a team and we kept just saying we
02:23were gonna do it saying we're gonna do it and then one day we're just like now let's just do it now get
02:28it let's just do it yeah i think like i mean i think that's what's special about the race is that
02:34we just really wanted some time together we really wanted to feel like a team and so like
02:38watching it back like seeing that like we are a good team um meant a lot yeah and that's what we
02:45really wanted yeah well let's fast forward from the beginning to the very end here some of the events
02:50that you were talking about watching back because to say it was a roller coaster of a leg would be an
02:55understatement where you started and last for most of it and then you arrive at the detour in second
03:00and then elissa and josiah which we didn't know josiah and elissa and us we thought we were fighting
03:07for last so we spent the whole because we love josiah and elissa and we're so close to them so we
03:12spent the whole detour being like i hate i love you and i hope you lose i'm so sorry it's us against
03:18you it's us against you and that was hard yeah yeah so then you know once you end up finishing this
03:24detour there's a couple decisions that are being made namely the one to say maybe to your point about
03:28feeling like you were in last like let's not give them too much lead time let's try to tail them
03:32and even though you lose them we then also see you run into han and holden and i know at least
03:38i was thinking like well maybe you could tail them and just try to outrace them to the pit stop so talk
03:43to me about everything that was going on in this navigation to the pit stop that had you falling
03:47into last totally so great question we're gonna i think i'm gonna back up just to before so like
03:55getting that stork thing going was a challenge uh because we're just missing the little tiny details
04:01which we didn't he didn't even do for a while um and then we saw them leave we're like hey my
04:06brilliant idea was to follow them and we just couldn't get all in the car to get them and we
04:10lost them it's this little this little town yeah so i think no the street signs are like if there
04:14are some they're like little bitty baby ones and i think it's important to to know that like
04:18the stork we were like in someone's backyard down in ellie so the only person available to ask for
04:25directions were the people just i and unless we're talking to so we were just kind of in line waiting
04:30to ask for directions and we were like we can't be doing this yeah let's just follow them we lost
04:34them and there's no one in this tent hmm we it's it's fair we accidentally we accidentally end up
04:42in the little town square where han and holden are they're coming they're leaving we didn't even
04:48think to follow them because we were like that didn't work already we get out so near the laundry
04:52there's tons of people to ask but no one wanted to give us directions we asked like three groups of
04:58people we finally get the people who asked on han and holden and we asked them for directions and then
05:03we so it what happened i think because that point we were just so like we were just we were just
05:10frazzled so like getting he he was you know i whatever we got the directions and every time he
05:17would get in the car after getting the direction he's like oh i got it i got it i got it like cool
05:20let's go he'd get in the car be like i don't know where i'm going and i'm like oh i i don't know
05:26because you had the direction so i couldn't help him so we ended up asking another another family which
05:31was so cute uh hello baby it was really cute and then we we got to a point where like i could see
05:37the flag and i was like we need to go there and just trying to the direction that he got to that
05:43point just like kind of didn't work and also this is up in the middle of the vineyard so it's all
05:47imagine all of our cars are just like yeah turning driving into random we don't want to
05:53um so like and so i think it was a moment where and we discussed this is we spent 10 10 legs of
06:01the race never giving up we also had some bad luck and this was probably the first leg where it felt
06:07like we were making poor decisions and and that was really really hard but i'd say one out of 10 legs
06:15isn't the worst however it's not the best time for it to happen yeah exactly well i mean to that
06:21point it's so interesting to have you guys vocalize after the first few legs like we are
06:26killing it why is it not showing in our placements and you know that that you know ignition does turn
06:33on at a certain point once you start getting that first place finish during the the u-turn vote but
06:37talk to me a bit about that from your own perspective you know were you surprised to have i wouldn't even
06:42say those struggles but like having those placements those middle of the pack finishes early on
06:48not be a reflection of what you believe your racing skills can truly be i mean it it kind of worked in
06:55some ways in terms of like the u-turn and the driver's seat but also like you know it part of
07:01the race is luck like you you know we may have gotten ourselves lost a little bit in that last leg but
07:07the rest of the time you just we we got a taxi who wanted to pull over we got a taxi who got lost
07:13we you know i guess the takeaway for me is like triple triple check even every second because
07:18even our taxi in hong kong i had lived in hong kong so i knew that he was taking a weird way and i
07:24knew we had to cross the water and i was like what wait and i was like we gotta go there and so i was
07:30like i had to reiterate to him a few times and god's back on the right track so like you just you just
07:35don't know so you kind of have to just roll with the punches yeah things you can't control and then
07:39just meet up the time where you can it was that that was the lesson we learned early on was that
07:45there's gonna be more than just steel to this race and we're just gonna have to roll with the punches
07:49and that's okay i'm glad we learned that lesson early on and also to our advantage we got to know
07:55the teams at the back of the pack the middle of the pack the front of the pack which was great
07:58socially because there is a social game no matter what anybody wants to say there is a social game
08:03aspect to this um and so i think it really kind of helped us like we were so serious in the
08:09beginning it helped us take a step back and be like let's start having fun because that's what
08:12we're here to do we can't keep struggling forever and that's out of our control so what's in our
08:18control is let's have a little fun and that helps well i mean what i think is so interesting is that
08:23we see in the first couple legs how you talk about kind of having different temperaments in a manner
08:27of speaking i mean brett you say that you like to keep things light mark you quite literally say
08:31sometimes you like to be angry just to be angry and look this is a season where certainly we saw a
08:37conflict amongst a lot of other teams did you guys find that there was a fair amount of conflict
08:42on during your 10 legs in the race or to your point when you sort of let go of that sense of like
08:47we can only control what we can control you guys ended up getting on the same page despite how
08:52different you would approach these tasks i think honestly almost going home on the second leg having
08:59that experience with ernest and the bridget and the drums really taught us very early on how special
09:04this experience was and we weren't going to waste it arguing with each other so i think that really
09:10put it in perspective very early on we did have some disagreements first absolutely um but um but at the
09:18end of the day we learned because of that bad luck early on that this experience was way too big for us
09:23to be wasting time on that yeah so like this was a dream we wanted to have as much fun like yeah we want
09:28to win i mean even when we were in france and we were at the back of the pack brett like ran across
09:34the street and then we weren't supposed to go and then i was supposed you can't go and he was like
09:38i'm going and i was like we're supposed to have fun today so like we were mad we were like trying to
09:43yell at each other to have fun so yeah well even even if the drama wasn't contained within i do want
09:48to call out one moment where uh maybe you brought the drama in a different way with this u-turn vote where
09:55you guys call out scott and laurie being like hey we're not buying the act of you saying uh the
10:01slogging is you know making us a team that you you can sort of underestimate talk to me about that
10:07because you talk about that social game was there any worry that you were putting yourself very much
10:11out there that the shot could be returned back to you i don't think so because i i think what you
10:17i think the map the day before that you saw a little bit of what went down and the teams
10:24everyone was on the same page on those back teams everyone had a very similar uh uh they saw they
10:32saw what we saw and we weren't the ones who were like orchestrating this everyone was on the same
10:38page so when it went down to the u-turn and they were like just saying oh we don't do this we don't
10:42do that we just happened to be the first in line and i happened to not be able to keep my mouth shut
10:48yeah that's all that happened lovingly sound every single team had the exact same thought i had in
10:54fact bill thanked me on the mat for bringing it up he was like i'm so thankful that you brought it up
11:00because they can't keep pretending that they're not every other team was like i'm so glad you spoke up
11:04i'm so glad you spoke up because at the end of the day and i said it very clearly on that day
11:09and there's footage i said we are all like we all like you including ourselves no one is saying we
11:17have an inauthentic relationship with you it's authentic however the expectation that we won't
11:22play against you in return is a social game and that's not something i'm going to be manipulated or
11:27guilted into not doing because we're here to play a game so to say that we're not friends or anything
11:33is taking it to another level that was never a part of the game so and we saw and every everyone
11:40saw it where they said they're gonna guilt trip jonathan and anna they said it was personal to them
11:46but then they also said they were guilt tripping it so for me like it's not adding up and that's why
11:51i said what i said it's not it didn't feel like you you were you're doing that because it was like
11:55everyone saw exactly every every team had said everything i said out loud every team had already
12:01said to each other so it did not feel like we were sticking our neck out it felt like we were
12:05speaking what everybody else was already talking about well the last thing i want to ask is look
12:10i would be remiss not to bring up the fact that i know mark in particular this was not the first time
12:15we saw you on uh reality tv on our screens before and so look drag race is under the cbs viacom umbrella
12:23let's let's open things up a little bit if you could pick a team of two queens that you would want to
12:29see on the amazing race either ones that you've worked with or others who would it be and why
12:34i feel like i i feel like the the go-to answer is obviously bobby monade yeah because they are an
12:41absolute riot they're two completely different personalities not to think they could do every
12:46challenge right and one of them thinks they know everything and yeah giving very bright and i so
12:51that that's like my first go-to answer what's the fashion i don't know
12:54all the fashion however if i were to pick um some other personalities that i think would be
13:01really fun i mean vanjie would be an absolute terror and and that would make for great tv and i have to
13:11be honest derek berry is a good time derek berry i i derek berry is a good time now would they be good
13:18at the race that's a completely different doesn't matter listen even if they don't make it out of the
13:22airport it'll be a great half episode we'll get them absolutely yeah that's what i would say it was
13:28a great 10 episodes that we got out of you guys again like uh it was so much fun to watch you kind
13:34of have everything click and have you really again just like absolutely power through once you sort of
13:40found your own in this race and and unfortunately goes to show that like to your point the one really
13:46bad leg you had ended up being the last but i think it speaks to again the the formidable aspects of
13:50your spirit that especially after those initial kind of trials and tribulations despite how intense
13:55that situation was that we saw across the board in france you guys went out with your head held high
14:01and i know that obviously there was a lot riding on this for the two of you and your future but i think
14:07regardless it's your future is incredibly bright because of you know the the love and clear passion you
14:14have for each other and for your relationship which was shown over the course of this beautiful
14:18journey you had together oh thank you thank you thank you so so much we love the race and um
14:25yeah we love the race and we love each other so um thank you so much well the pleasure was all mine
14:31thank you both so much for not only everything you brought to the screen but for bringing it
14:35to me today as well this was an absolute pleasure seriously i wish you guys nothing but the best
14:39thank you thank you so much it was wonderful to meet you you as well have a great day
14:44thank you too bye bye