The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 5
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00:00I think Jen is fake.
00:12Okay, well this escalated quickly.
00:14With the smiley just saying, oh, so it's nice.
00:16Jen probably wrote it.
00:18Having this confession come out,
00:19it definitely caught me off guard
00:20because this isn't supposed to be malicious at all.
00:23Okay, Macy, this is your fault.
00:25I was like, I didn't do that.
00:26Okay, I can't say who did not do it.
00:28That definitely kind of put a damper on the mood.
00:32I don't know why I'm so emotional.
00:33That's a lot.
00:35Give yourself some grace.
00:36Yeah.
00:38I don't know who wrote the card that Jen was fake.
00:41If it wasn't Demi or Jessie,
00:43because they have this weird beef,
00:45then I would say they brainwashed someone else
00:48to feel the same way about Jen.
00:49Okay, well, we're proud of you.
00:51That's so cool.
00:52Also, don't forget Friday, baby shower, celebrate Billie.
00:57There'll be bunnies there.
00:59There'll be bunnies that you can hold.
01:01Love you, guys.
01:02See you.
01:03I love you, girl.
01:04People are mean.
01:05People are ruthless.
01:06I'm sorry.
01:07I know.
01:07It's just that.
01:08I love you.
01:09I love you more than anything I've ever felt before.
01:12Oh, God, Jen.
01:13Me too.
01:15Maybe I am fake.
01:17No, Jen, you're not.
01:19You're not.
01:20You've had so much on your plate.
01:21I also think that for you,
01:22if any situation where anybody feels like you're being fake,
01:25just like bring it up rather than just like,
01:28call me your fake.
01:29No, you've been going through so much lately.
01:32I really appreciate it.
01:34Yeah, of course.
01:35I'm just like, okay, I'm here to be a part of mom talk
01:40and to be empowered and gain support,
01:43but there's none of that.
01:45I just wanted to get to the bottom
01:47of why are these women doing this to me?
01:50And like, what are your intentions behind our friendship?
01:53And if you do have an issue with me,
01:55like, let's talk about it.
01:56Like I said, I think the comment was either from me,
01:59Mikaela, or Blake.
02:01Come ye saints and come ye saviors,
02:07Alleluia.
02:11Listen up, I'm the one you've been dreaming of.
02:17I've got everything you could ever want.
02:20Try me and you'll see, I'll bring you to your knees.
02:24Baby, you're gonna believe.
02:26Hey, hey, hey, hey.
02:28Hey, hey, hey, hey.
02:30Hey, hey, hey, hey.
02:32Hey, hey, hey, hey.
02:34Hey, hey, hey, hey.
02:44We don't need a invitation.
02:46Nope.
02:47We gon' pull up on the mini-waves.
02:49Look at us fly.
02:51A party ain't a party without you and me.
02:54That's right.
02:56Hi.
02:57Welcome to Fox Glide.
02:59The store is so cute.
03:00Thank you so much.
03:02So nice to meet both of you.
03:03I think you've been talking with Miriam
03:05about your baby shower, right?
03:06Yes.
03:07I'm having a baby shower after baby's born
03:09because we didn't know the gender yet.
03:11And now I do.
03:12I invited everyone from Mom Talk
03:13because I'm definitely still making efforts
03:16to feel like I've been accepted back into this group,
03:18especially before the girls trip.
03:19And I've been getting really close with Jen and Miranda
03:21because I need some friends.
03:26Are you a plant person?
03:27I am, but I'm not because I'll start it
03:29and then I'll forget about it.
03:30I want to, though.
03:31I want to get to know them.
03:32I got some that they're supposed to die.
03:34What do they call it, perennials or whatever?
03:36Perennials?
03:37When it dies, it comes back?
03:39I don't know.
03:39No, like it's supposed to die?
03:41Yeah, it's like supposed to die, then it comes back.
03:43I want that.
03:44That's what's happening in my life right now.
03:44And I thought I killed him.
03:45Same, actually.
03:48Have you talked to Jen at all?
03:49I was so worried about her.
03:50Like, nobody wants to hear that.
03:51Yeah, she called me.
03:53Does she want to have a conversation or no?
03:55She wants to think on it for a while before she decides
03:58if and when she's going to bring it up.
04:00Well, I guess we'll have to wait and find out.
04:01Yeah.
04:02Anyway, I'm curious who all shows up at the shower
04:06because I invited everyone,
04:07but I would be shocked if everybody showed up.
04:09Do you want me to guess who I think will be there?
04:10Maybe guess who wouldn't be there.
04:11Hopefully that number's smaller than the first one.
04:14That wouldn't be there.
04:15Okay, I'll tell you who I don't think will be there.
04:17Okay, cool.
04:18I don't think Demi, Mikaela.
04:21Jessie.
04:22And Jessie will be there.
04:23That seems about right.
04:24Whitney wants to move forward with these girls,
04:27and I do think that it is possible with some of them.
04:31But in order to move forward,
04:32I think you need to prove yourself
04:34that you really are sorry through your actions.
04:37And for me, I'm hoping this girls' trip
04:39can be a great opportunity
04:41for me to get to know all of the girls and vice versa
04:44and see where things go.
04:45I'm like trying to show my support towards Macy more.
04:49And I thought it'd be fun if all of us got together
04:53and like did something for her at the Pickleball event.
04:55Funny shirts or painted our bodies.
04:58Yeah.
04:59Oh, that'd be fun.
05:00I don't know what, but.
05:00Painted our bodies.
05:02That would actually be hilarious.
05:03Wearing our bikinis and it says, wow, yeah.
05:06I'm putting together this new group chat without Macy
05:09because I want to plan something very special
05:12for her at this Pickleball event.
05:14Let's hope that this redeems me a little bit.
05:16Let's make the chat.
05:17I'm gonna make it right now.
05:21Okay, so I said,
05:22I thought it'd be fun to do something for Macy
05:24at the Pickleball tournament.
05:25Maybe shirts, body paint, ha ha.
05:28I think that's good.
05:29I'm scared.
05:30I'm scared.
05:32I really am.
05:33Let's see.
05:35New text.
05:37You should leave it.
05:38I'm just kidding.
05:39Don't, please don't.
05:40For like a while.
05:45Oh.
05:47Whitney just sent a text.
05:49I thought it'd be fun to do something for Macy
05:51at the Pickleball tournament.
05:52I bet you do.
05:53Maybe shirts, body paint, ha ha thoughts.
05:55I don't think I'm gonna reply to her.
05:56I'm definitely not responding to this message.
05:58Hell no.
05:59I feel like she definitely like hit her head
06:01and forgot what she did last year.
06:03I'm gonna leave that one on red.
06:05You have to respond.
06:06Nobody's responding.
06:08You have to say something.
06:09It's just me and you.
06:10We're having a conversation.
06:12Everyone leave.
06:13Goodbye.
06:22Since therapy, Dakota is putting in an effort
06:25and really trying to show the partner that he says he is
06:28and I'm communicating with him better.
06:30But I need to now focus on healing.
06:32And that is a journey for me.
06:35I'm gonna leave that one on red.
06:37And that is a journey in itself.
06:40It's very complex.
06:44Hello.
06:45Hello.
06:48Hi, my baby kids.
06:50Oh, you love your Nana, huh?
06:52I think he looks like Dakota.
06:54He's nicer than Dakota.
06:56My family and I don't always see eye to eye.
06:59Like at the barbecue, for example.
07:01He lied, yes, that is so wrong.
07:03But give him some grace.
07:06You guys had seen each other three times
07:08and then he came over and had sex with you?
07:10What does that say about you?
07:13But at the same time, they've helped me a lot
07:16with Everett and my other kids
07:17during this turmoil with Dakota.
07:18So I am so grateful for them.
07:21Where are you in Dakota right now?
07:23And when we made our TikToks last night
07:25and then all my friends were like, Taylor, Taylor.
07:27I did see it.
07:28I saw that too.
07:29I'm like, what the heck is going on?
07:36It's just a TikTok, it's really not that deep.
07:38Like, I know, but it's like-
07:39Okay, but you're, I feel like those kinds of TikToks,
07:41it's like, oh, they're back together.
07:43It never said that.
07:44No, but it's-
07:45It said he's trying and he's cleaning my floors.
07:47It's as he should be.
07:49Well, I don't know, we're working through things.
07:52Yeah.
07:53But like, we're not living together.
07:54We're not going on dates.
07:55We're not seeing each other that often
07:57besides when he visits his son.
07:58So are you guys having sex?
08:00Because that's gonna confuse me.
08:01I'm like, I don't know.
08:02I don't know.
08:03So are you guys having sex?
08:05Because that's gonna confuse him.
08:07Yes, but it doesn't change anything.
08:09I told him that.
08:10Why are you having sex with him then?
08:12I have been hooking up with Dakota still
08:16and it's just hard to completely cut that off.
08:17It's almost like a trauma response.
08:20Like, yes, I'm angry, but I still like want that.
08:23It's like a, it's a thing.
08:24It's just passion.
08:26When I'm being intimate with him, I feel nothing.
08:29I literally turn it off.
08:30Like, I don't know how I do it.
08:31Like, he calls me the dude in the relationship
08:33because after, he's like, can we cuddle?
08:35And I'm like, no, I don't want to cuddle.
08:38Like, if anything, you can leave.
08:40I like almost turn it off like I'm protecting myself
08:43because I know if I do feel, it will hurt really bad.
08:46I feel like you shouldn't be doing that.
08:49Even he's shaking his head, no, look at him.
08:51He said, no, mom, don't do it.
08:55I'm a little annoyed that my family
08:57is being a little judgmental
08:58and trying to tell me like what to do.
09:01It's my choice at the end of the day.
09:02It's not really their place to say or tell me what to do.
09:05I think you guys just need Jesus in your life.
09:08I think Taylor just needs to not have sex with Dakota.
09:12It's like giving him the wrong vibe.
09:16It's like, do you want to be with me
09:17or you don't want to be with me?
09:18Like, are you using me for sex?
09:20You just feel lonely.
09:21Like, and you want that like connection.
09:23Well, go use your fricking vibrator.
09:25That's not a person.
09:27Honestly, sometimes vibrators feel better
09:29than the guy anyways.
09:30True.
09:31What?
09:32True.
09:33Oh my gosh, I don't want to even hear this.
09:35Have you never used one?
09:36No, we're not talking about that.
09:38I've literally found a book of Aspen positions.
09:41All the positions.
09:43Have you tried them all?
09:45Yes.
09:46Ew, it's worse.
09:47Oh my gosh.
09:49I just don't think that you should keep having sex with him.
09:52I don't have feelings anymore.
09:53I don't feel nothing.
09:54That is not true,
09:55because I think you've come a long way
09:57and you're over here, you're backtracking.
09:59Replace yourself with Indy.
10:01Knowing Indy, your daughter, came to you
10:03and is telling you all this stuff,
10:04what would you tell your daughter?
10:07I would just explain to her I've been in your shoes
10:10and actually will make you feel,
10:12because I assume it makes,
10:13it's going to end up being 10 times shittier, right?
10:15So I'll be like.
10:16So why aren't you taking your own advice?
10:19I think you guys shouldn't be having sex
10:21if you're working on it.
10:22Because I feel like you guys both have your own issues.
10:25I agree.
10:25Do it for yourself.
10:27Do it for him.
10:28My sister does have a point.
10:30This is doing nothing progressive for me.
10:32And I feel like I have to cut that off
10:34or you're just going to continue the unhealthy cycle.
10:56Hi.
10:57Hi.
10:58How are you?
10:59Good, how are you doing?
11:00You know, I'm trying to be better
11:01at just like saying things head on
11:03rather than bottling it up.
11:05I saw the video Makayla made.
11:09Oh man, I mean, shit.
11:11I'm putting food on that table for that girl.
11:13That's for sure.
11:15She's making all of these hurtful videos
11:17making fun of my traumas.
11:19Like Connor and I going through a hard time
11:21in our relationship.
11:23All of this harassing and bullying
11:25whatever you want to call it.
11:26Whether it's about me or about our relationship.
11:30If you really feel that way,
11:31how about you just say it to my face?
11:33I get it from Jesse, Demi and Makayla.
11:35I get it.
11:36But then you're in it too.
11:37And then I'm like, okay,
11:39we're creating this narrative online
11:40where I'm not friends with Macy.
11:44Because why else would she be in these videos?
11:45The fact that I'm in it,
11:46yeah, I can see how you think that.
11:47But I genuinely don't know what like
11:50they're going to say on the caption.
11:52I'm just like, I was like,
11:52oh, we're getting this trend.
11:53Okay.
11:55I think that's why I didn't think that it was about you.
11:58Regardless of Macy saying that she wasn't aware
12:01of what Makayla was going to say,
12:05at what point are you gonna tune in
12:08to that's what she's continually doing?
12:10If you've already seen the first post,
12:11why are you in the second one?
12:12I genuinely feel like I need to have a conversation
12:15just one-on-one with Makayla
12:16before we even go on this girl's trip.
12:18Okay, well, maybe I'll talk to her
12:21and see like what she thinks
12:22and see if she's open to chatting with you in person.
12:26I mean, I can help like facilitate it.
12:27Hopefully everyone could come and have a little kumbaya.
12:30I was gonna say kumbaya.
12:33I really want to talk to Makayla before the girl's trip
12:35because I'm not fully understanding
12:37why you still have such harsh feelings towards me.
12:40And even more than that,
12:42mom talk is driven by love and unity.
12:44And that's clearly not what Makayla is doing.
12:46She's doing the exact opposite, actually.
12:49Love you.
12:50Love you too.
12:51I'll talk to you later.
12:52Okay, bye.
12:52♪ Like a diamond ♪
12:58♪ With all the pressure, pressure, pressure ♪
13:01♪ I just get better, better, better ♪
13:03♪ Like a diamond, mama say remember ♪
13:11♪ Just keep shining ♪
13:12I got you flowers.
13:13For what?
13:15Because you're gonna hit a million followers today.
13:17I think.
13:18Stop.
13:18I know.
13:19Demi and I are gonna meet up to do Pilates today.
13:21It's one of our favorite workouts.
13:22We don't do it as much as we should,
13:24but we have the girls trip in a few days.
13:25So we gotta look good and Pilates is a good workout.
13:28Keep up, Jessie.
13:29Yeah, I'm home.
13:30Did you only get two hours of sleep or what?
13:33I'm like, I'm already shaking.
13:34We're gonna be jiggling walking out of here.
13:36I feel like I'm giving birth.
13:38Your legs are goals.
13:40The one time a year I do it.
13:41Yeah, we're all wondering how she has those legs
13:44because this is her first time in the gym
13:45for like, I think in three years.
13:48I truly work out maybe one to two days a year.
13:51So it must be good genetics,
13:53but I feel like I keep pretty active in the bedroom.
13:56So maybe Jordan's the reason for these legs.
13:58You think you're gonna go to Whitney's baby shower?
14:01No.
14:01Yeah, I didn't think you would.
14:03I was just not.
14:03Are you?
14:04No, but I feel like she probably expects us all to go
14:08because at Macy's dinner, she was like,
14:09remember Friday?
14:11Like kind of delusional.
14:12Like there's gonna be bunnies.
14:13I'm like, that doesn't change anything.
14:15Yeah.
14:15Whitney dropped her baby shower announcement
14:18and that was the last thing I was expecting.
14:20I think it's a little strange
14:21because she knows that probably half the group
14:23isn't going to come.
14:24I think we want to host like a hibachi dinner that night
14:26because Jordan's friend has this hibachi grill
14:29and he brings it out and he does the whole show for you
14:31and he has like heat lamps.
14:32You do it in the front yard, but it's like cozy.
14:34So I was thinking we should do that
14:35for the people not going.
14:36Yes.
14:37Like we might as well do something fun that night.
14:38It's gonna be so interesting
14:39to see how the trip's gonna go.
14:41Like I'm excited to go to Arizona and get out of the cold,
14:44but we saw how Park City and Vegas went
14:46and I'm just like, please,
14:47can we just have like a calm, chill girls' trip?
14:50I am feeling very apprehensive about this girls' trip.
14:53I am not on the best terms with Whitney still.
14:56She has tried to reach out and mend things.
14:59I don't fully trust her
15:00and I'm not ready to hear what she has to say.
15:03Between that and Jen and the lies
15:06and not being able to trust her,
15:09it's just like,
15:10I don't want to be on a girls' trip with these people.
15:13Okay, Macy's dinner.
15:14Do you know who wrote the Jen is fake thing?
15:18No, I have no clue.
15:18Maybe this needs to be what comes out
15:20for her to be like, let's face these issues
15:22and like not be fake to each other anymore.
15:23I don't even know how to act around Jen right now.
15:25Like I feel awkward.
15:27I know, I'm feeling so weird about Jen.
15:29Really?
15:30Zach called me.
15:31What?
15:32Yeah, like right before this.
15:33What did he say?
15:34We talked for like 45 minutes.
15:36What?
15:37So he said that he talked to Jordan
15:38about the whole Chippendale situation.
15:40Did you tell him we gave Jen a heads up?
15:42Yeah, I said I thought that by giving Jen a heads up
15:45and I was like, I know you're not Jen,
15:47but I thought that you guys
15:48would be in communication enough.
15:49Zach's just really confused
15:51and it's another situation with Jen
15:53where like he's not being told the full truth.
15:54He's the one who told us,
15:56we're gonna go together for exposure therapy.
15:58Yeah, I get where he's coming from
15:59and this is what shocks me is that he fully was like,
16:03like her lying about the Ben Affleck thing.
16:05Like why would she make that up?
16:07Okay, that's where for me, I'm like,
16:09this isn't a miscommunication.
16:10This isn't you hating confrontation.
16:11That is literally a pathological liar.
16:14At this point, I think Jen needs to be held accountable
16:17for all of the lies that are coming out.
16:18The last time we talked to her, we didn't know everything.
16:21So I think we were a little soft on her.
16:22But since that conversation,
16:24we're finding out more lies that have been told.
16:27I'm not interested in having a friend
16:28who lies about the weirdest things
16:30because what are you gonna lie about about me?
16:32That's just not what mom talks about.
16:35Dude, what do we do?
16:36I have to do her hair tomorrow.
16:37Oh my hell.
16:39Like how do I not talk to her about all of this
16:41while I'm doing it?
16:42But then how awkward that I'm like sitting there
16:43for three hours doing her hair
16:44and like calling her out for being a liar.
16:46How should I bring it up?
16:46Should I just be like, so I've kind of heard
16:48there's been some tension with Chip and Dale's.
16:50Like, how do you feel?
16:51Yeah, we're really confused.
16:52All of us are feeling very frustrated with you.
16:55I just feel so bad.
16:56Cause like last year when this all went down,
16:58I was like, no, I'm a girl's girl.
16:59Like you do not deserve to be treated this way.
17:01I've been treated this way.
17:02And I don't want it to feel like I'm flipping on her,
17:04but this has nothing to do with gender now.
17:05Like it's literally just the actions we're seeing.
17:07But I'm like, would you have to be that way?
17:09I'm sorry.
17:10We can't just blindly be like, she's a power.
17:13Like empowering women is being like,
17:15hey, step into your freaking power and like, tell the truth.
17:29How are you feeling?
17:30I know the last couple of days and weeks have just been
17:33pretty much since we've moved back.
17:34You either want to chop my head off or you're crying
17:37and you want to order cookies.
17:38I'm pregnant.
17:40Zach and I were really struggling
17:42after the Chip and Dale's prank,
17:44but we had a really good talk
17:46and we just want to block out all the noise
17:49and be a united front.
17:51It's definitely ironic that I chose mom talk over Zach
17:54and then mom talk screwed me over.
17:56Very ironic.
17:57Sure.
17:58I'm sorry, sweetie.
18:00The thing is like, you have me, you have your kids.
18:02Do you even want to be part of mom talk?
18:05I think being a part of mom talk
18:06is a huge responsibility for each of us
18:08because as a group, we're trying to influence the world.
18:13And I feel like if no one's-
18:15But what are you guys trying to influence?
18:16What are you trying to show women?
18:18We're trying to empower women.
18:18But you guys all just shit on each other.
18:22It's like a lot of the girls are just like followers
18:24and like whatever is convenient.
18:26Like it was popular to protect Jen.
18:27Now it's popular to say Jen's fake.
18:31It's just hard because like I really,
18:32in this next chapter of our life,
18:34am I doing everything I can to support you?
18:36And then you go hang out with these girls
18:38and you come home and you cry pretty much every time.
18:41And you're just like, this is what this person said about me.
18:43And I'm like, friends don't say that about each other.
18:44Like that's not a real thing,
18:45but it's like you're almost trapped
18:47because this is like your business and like-
18:49It's not even just that.
18:50It's just like,
18:51I truly feel like mom talk has so much potential.
18:55Well, I mean, obviously it's reached millions of people.
18:58I'm not denying that.
18:59I'm just saying how,
19:00like you as a pregnant woman that's growing a baby,
19:03like it's not, babe, you couldn't sleep last night.
19:07You literally had a panic attack.
19:09Yeah.
19:11Anyways, well, what do you want to do moving forward?
19:15As of right now,
19:16I think it's really important for me to rest
19:17and think of the baby that I'm carrying.
19:19And I do think that this is causing me a lot of stress.
19:21My relationship with the girls is falling apart.
19:24And I think it's because Jesse and Demi
19:27are trying to get the whole group against me.
19:29Part of me is wanting to people please so badly
19:32and act like everything's okay.
19:33And I can't, like the uncomfortable feeling right now
19:36is the feeling that I need to have,
19:39even though it sucks.
19:40For so long, I've been a pushover.
19:43And for so long, I've had so many people walk all over me.
19:46I don't want to play the victim mentality anymore
19:48and run away from my issues.
19:49I'm not doing that.
19:50I'm just fed up at this point.
19:52And I want someone to finally hear me.
19:55I need to confront these issues.
19:56And if not, it's actually worse for me.
20:09♪ Better be cautious ♪
20:10What?
20:11♪ Look, I ain't really come here to argue ♪
20:12♪ If I really wanted to, I could harm you ♪
20:14♪ But that's a waste of my time ♪
20:15Hello.
20:16Hi, welcome in.
20:17Hi, everything looks so good.
20:18I'm excited.
20:19Yes.
20:20I highly recommend the hot chocolate.
20:21Okay, let's do hot chocolate.
20:22That sounds perfect today.
20:24I was supposed to do Jen's hair,
20:26but she reached out and said
20:27she wanted to talk in person first.
20:28So we're just going to meet up
20:30and hash this out outside of the hair salon.
20:32I was super nervous about having to sit with her for hours,
20:34doing her hair while potentially arguing and fighting.
20:37It would have been so uncomfortable.
20:43I just don't know what their intentions are
20:44behind all of this.
20:46I've asked them to stop talking shit
20:48about my husband and me.
20:50I'm done trying to keep the peace.
20:51Like they poke the bear and the claws are coming out.
20:53Like I'm done.
20:54You haven't seen the other side of me.
20:55You don't realize I was raised in the hood.
20:57Like watch out, okay?
20:59Catch me outside.
21:00How about that?
21:01Just kidding.
21:01Hey, you were born in Provo, Utah.
21:02Calm down.
21:03Yes, I was born in Provo, but raised in the hood.
21:05So, aye.
21:08I wish Demi was here as well.
21:13I feel like she's equally responsible
21:15for all of the stuff that has happened.
21:18But I decided to meet with just Jesse first
21:20because I feel like when they're together,
21:22they just team up.
21:23I just want to squash everything
21:25and ask why are you doing this to me?
21:28Hi.
21:29Oh my gosh.
21:31Not good to be honest, but it's okay.
21:32It's fine.
21:33What's going on?
21:34Oh my gosh.
21:36I'm going to be,
21:37this is going to be a really hard conversation.
21:43First off, I just want to take accountability.
21:46I know I suck at confrontation
21:48and I know that can come off as two-faced,
21:50which I totally get that.
21:51But first off, I genuinely want to ask you
21:54when have I intentionally ever tried to hurt you
21:59in our friendship?
22:00What are you talking about?
22:02You continue to like bash me in my relationship.
22:05Those are the things I want to talk about, yes.
22:06Honestly, like it makes me question your character.
22:11Okay.
22:12Because I'm...
22:12Character is something we definitely need to talk about
22:14because you're the liar here.
22:16Okay, well, what you think I'm lying about,
22:18I would love to confront you about
22:20and that's why I came here.
22:21Okay, let's start with Chippendales.
22:23Okay.
22:24Did Demi ask me for consent for Brett to dress up
22:28as a Chippendales dancer for a performance?
22:30Yes, she did.
22:32She never mentioned flying down a maelstrom.
22:35She never mentioned...
22:36She said, there are things that I want to keep as a surprise
22:38and you said, totally go for it.
22:40That would be so fun.
22:41I'm totally good with it.
22:42And the fact that you said me and Zach
22:43are going to go to Chippendales ourselves,
22:46that means you're okay with the situation, Jen.
22:48No, the difference...
22:49How was it any different?
22:50What she told me was lighthearted.
22:51What actually happened was disrespectful.
22:53The Chippendales thing was all in good fun
22:55and considering what Jen had shared with us
22:57about Zach's progress in therapy,
22:59we thought this was all going to be safe territory,
23:01not something that would upset him.
23:03We kind of thought it was going to be closure
23:04for the whole Chippendales thing together.
23:06What would be lighthearted in that scenario?
23:08Jordan was literally grinding on me.
23:11It was that was never...
23:12If you go to Chippendales,
23:13they put your hands on their ass.
23:15It's way worse at the real Chippendales.
23:17The difference is...
23:18Her intention...
23:19Her intention...
23:19I think you guys go to Chippendales.
23:26I just wish you would have confronted me saying,
23:28okay, you don't know these big surprises
23:30and I know you're in a rocky place in your relationship.
23:33Is this okay?
23:34I wish you had asked me
23:36because I would have never given you guys consent
23:38for Jordan and this random male stripper
23:41to be grinding on me and touching me.
23:43Performer, it's a difference.
23:44Clearly there's a lot of lies going on
23:46and those are the things that make me judge you
23:48because if you guys lie about being related to a celebrity,
23:50why?
23:51Oh my hell.
23:52And you know that's going to come out.
23:54So it's very weird.
23:55Okay.
23:56You can lie about something like that.
23:57It makes me question your character.
23:59I'm lying.
24:00Your husband said,
24:01Jen made up this lie and I have been telling her to stop.
24:03We are not related to the athletes.
24:05I have told her to stop lying about it on podcasts.
24:07All that's been told to me,
24:08literally since the day that I started dating him.
24:09Then you exactly have a communication problem
24:11because he said,
24:12I don't know where Jen came up with this.
24:13I've been telling her to stop talking about it.
24:14It's a lie.
24:16Jesse brings up the Ben Affleck situation.
24:18Again, I was telling everyone what I'd been told
24:21the past six years,
24:22but also what does this have to do with anything?
24:26At this point,
24:27it feels like they're harping on anything to put me down.
24:32When it feels like straight up bullying.
24:34You literally gaslight everyone saying that I had consent
24:38over everything that happened,
24:39which is not true.
24:40That's what you guys do.
24:41You do it.
24:42No.
24:43We are very honest.
24:44If anything,
24:45me and Demi are honest to a fault.
24:46We told everyone,
24:47Jen and Zach said they were going to go to Chippendales,
24:49that they wanted exposure therapy.
24:50I gave consent.
24:51Jen thought it was funny.
24:53For your husband to rub his little dick on me?
24:55He didn't rub his dick on you.
24:58Well, I know about your past.
24:58You are such a prude.
25:00Okay, I know about your past.
25:01What's my past, Jen?
25:01I know about your past.
25:02What's my past?
25:03Give it to me.
25:04If you're asking to swing with us, it's a no.
25:05And I'm done with this conversation.
25:06I don't want to have this conversation.
25:10Oh my God.
25:28I'm excited for a good old sunshine bun.
25:31I've never heard of this place.
25:33Sunshine Buns.
25:35So there's no better time to tell you
25:37than I guess right now,
25:38since we're five minutes away.
25:40Oh Lord.
25:43So Whitney called me,
25:46and I guess she's been wanting to talk to you.
25:48And she's like,
25:49why don't we just meet there or something?
25:51Meet where?
25:52At the Sunshine Buns.
25:53No.
25:54Okay, you take me home.
25:56Whitney and I were like best friends
25:58for almost two years.
25:59And I felt like people didn't get a lot of that context
26:01of why our friendship fell out.
26:04It really all started in Park City.
26:06I felt like I was being left out of the friend group.
26:08I was going through a lot in my chronic illness.
26:10I had a couple of conversations with her about it.
26:12And it was almost like she gaslit me and flipped it on me
26:16and made it seem like,
26:17oh, well, you're doing this to yourself
26:18or you're going through this.
26:20She unfollowed me with no explanation
26:22and then showed up to my birthday party
26:24just to talk to Macy.
26:26I think she wants to talk
26:27because the girls' trip's coming up
26:28and she thinks that you hate her.
26:30Well, it's because she's obsessed with herself.
26:34Lately, I feel like mom talk
26:35is turning on each other left and right.
26:37It's really sad to see
26:38because I feel like we're supposed to be
26:39women supporting each other.
26:40We're taught in the church to love one another,
26:43to be Christ-like and to be forgiving,
26:45but it doesn't feel like that's happening.
26:47The girls' trip is coming up
26:48and I really just want no hostility.
26:50So I figured this was kind of my shot
26:51at just trying to get Whitney and Mikayla together,
26:55see if they can work it out.
26:55However, I just don't know if that's going to happen.
26:57It's going to be really sunshiny at Sunshine Buns.
27:07I don't have anything to say to her.
27:09You can make it two minutes.
27:10I'm going to make it less than two minutes.
27:14Okay, well, I'll call you.
27:17You're going to call me right now?
27:17I'll just call you and put you on mute.
27:19Well, no, you're going to come in there with me still
27:21because-
27:21And then you're going to call me
27:22and I'm going to put you on mute.
27:24And then, or no, you have to put it on mute
27:26because then I can't hear you.
27:27Yes.
27:28And you know our safe word.
27:29What's the safe word?
27:31Our safe word, sisterhood.
27:32If I say sisterhood, then you ought to, I don't know,
27:35say you have to go pick up your kids
27:36from school or something.
27:37Since I'm being held against my will to this conversation,
27:40I had to make a safe word.
27:42Hello.
27:42Hello.
27:43I just want to hear what she has to say to me
27:46and then I'm ready to go.
27:47Sisterhood.
27:48You guys can talk and I'll just chill in the car.
27:50Bye.
27:51Sorry, hold on.
27:52I got to make sure Jace is picking up my kids.
27:56Okay.
27:58Can we dive more into what's been bothering you about me?
28:03Yeah.
28:04I mean, I honestly don't care to really say much more.
28:08I wanted to know why you wanted to have this conversation.
28:14Why can't I hear anything?
28:15I feel like for me, I was like,
28:17I don't really care to put energy into it.
28:18So if you feel like something's bothering you,
28:21I'd love to know.
28:23I think Makayla muted herself.
28:29I care about you and I want to know
28:31what we can do to move past this.
28:33I don't care to have the friendship.
28:36I didn't want to have this conversation.
28:37Why did you want to have the conversation?
28:39Because I want to move past this, Makayla.
28:40Then you pass it.
28:44If you want to move past it,
28:45you're throwing yourself into the group.
28:46It's kind of hard to move past it
28:47when every time I open the internet,
28:48you're always making blatantly explicit videos about me.
28:50Then don't look at my stuff.
28:51I don't follow you.
28:52It's on my For You page.
28:53It just pops up.
28:54Well, not everything's about you.
28:56You're the one making it about me.
28:58You're so delusional
28:59and you think that everyone's always coming for you.
29:01Whitney refuses to acknowledge
29:03anything that makes her look bad
29:04or makes her look like the villain.
29:06You're very explicit about how you feel about me online.
29:09If I want to make videos about you,
29:10I can do that because you're not my friend.
29:14You're exactly right.
29:15Okay, so you're not my friend,
29:16but you can blatantly harass me on the internet.
29:18That's okay.
29:19I'm not blatantly harassing you on the internet.
29:20Then what are you doing?
29:21I'm posting my videos.
29:22What is it that you're doing?
29:23It's like I go through conversations with her
29:25where it's like 10 different personalities that I'm seeing.
29:28She has like her victim voice where she goes very soft
29:30and then she goes psycho off the rails
29:32where she's yelling and banging on things.
29:34And from this conversation,
29:35the only thing I'm taking is that Whitney was upset
29:37by videos that I posted on social media.
29:41Okay, I will be cordial to you in person
29:43when we're at group or work events.
29:45If it's a friendship thing.
29:46So we'll be cordial in person, but we'll harass her online.
29:49No one's harassing you again.
29:50Did you just hear what I said?
29:51No one's harassing you on the internet.
29:53I feel like it's harassment.
29:54If you feel like that, then come to me and tell me.
29:56That's what I'm doing right now.
29:57You call Macy every single time
29:58and you put her in the middle yet again.
30:00I asked her why she was in the video.
30:03So in Ephesians 4, 32, it says,
30:06be kind to one another, tenderhearted,
30:08forgiving each other just as God
30:10and Christ also has forgiven you.
30:12That's clearly not what's happening right now.
30:16At this point, it's kind of like a sisterhood
30:18that we've created that you removed yourself from.
30:25Moving forward with like mom talk
30:26and that sisterhood there.
30:31I don't know, it just puts a tricky dynamic
30:33on like our sisterhood.
30:38I'm three sisterhoods deep.
30:39Why is she not coming in?
30:43I'm like sisterhood this, sisterhood that
30:46and she's still not coming in.
30:51Where do you want to leave things off?
30:53Moving forward, it's just being cordial
30:55in group situations.
30:57That's it.
30:58Okay.
30:59I just don't understand.
31:01And I hate that I don't understand, but I don't.
31:04It just sucks.
31:06We were best friends, me, Macy, Michaela.
31:09It just feels helpless.
31:10Like there's nothing I can do
31:12to break down this wall.
31:13If you have harsh feelings towards me, Michaela,
31:17like whatever, you go ahead and deal with that.
31:19But can we please just be civil
31:22and respect each other when we go on this girl's trip?
31:25I couldn't hear one word.
31:26It was like it was on mute.
31:28I muted you.
31:29Yes, you ding dong.
31:30You muted me.
31:31I'm the one who's supposed to mute you.
31:32You know how many fucking times I was saying sisterhood?
31:34It was comical.
31:35Like I was like, I feel like I almost started laughing.
31:38I was like, this is my sisterhood that I chose.
31:42Looking at the door.
31:43Stop.
31:44It was comical.
31:45I was like, this is a fucking joke.
31:47I was like, you're calling Macy about it.
31:49She's like, Macy was in the video.
31:50And I said, Macy can do whatever the hell she wants.
31:52How many times do I have to say, it's not about you?
31:55And as far as like the girl's trip,
31:56I'll just go and continue to ignore her.
31:59Oh no.
32:00No one's like, we don't owe you anything.
32:02We have a whole group of people
32:03going through their own shit.
32:05Yeah, I get it.
32:09That's it.
32:10Glad you enjoyed yourself.
32:11Yeah, we lit, yeah, we lit, yeah, we lit.
32:14And we gon' turn the party out till the sun come up.
32:37Dakota is coming over so we can discuss our relationship
32:41and where it goes from here.
32:44As hard as it is, my mom and sister,
32:46they do have a point.
32:47I need to take a step back
32:49because everything's so clouded
32:50when we're like sleeping together.
32:51Like, I think this is just a cycle
32:53that I would like to break.
32:54It's quite a night, huh?
32:55Your night, Amber.
32:58I don't think Dakota would ever be on board
33:01of like a full on break.
33:03I think he sees end game.
33:04So I'm the one who has to initiate this
33:07because I don't think he's wanting to.
33:10Oh my gosh.
33:11What?
33:12Nothing, I'm just tired.
33:13Yeah, same.
33:15And I actually slept so hard last night
33:18for like the first time ever.
33:19Good.
33:20I was out.
33:22Good, I'm glad you're out.
33:24What?
33:27You've been out for like a month and a half now?
33:30Mm-hmm.
33:31And like, it's still the same.
33:33It's the same song and dance every day.
33:36Yeah.
33:38And I feel like what my heart wants
33:42is to like obviously work on a chance with us
33:47like for our family, but nothing's changing.
33:53So I'm like, I think you're exhausted, I'm exhausted.
33:56There's really no other answers other than like,
34:00I feel like taking a good step back.
34:08There's really no other answers other than like,
34:13I feel like taking a good step back.
34:20And I hate to say it, but it's the truth, like...
34:26Yeah.
34:27I mean for me I don't want anything or anyone else. I still want you. I still
34:46want my family. But like I don't think nothing changes if nothing changes, you know?
34:55I think it's just really hard because we've both come from very broken places.
35:00We've both hurt each other tremendously in many ways and I know I have tons of
35:07things that you know are so hard for me to just work through. Our situation is
35:12like the worst situation ever. Every pain point Taylor has, I am someone that
35:20activates that for her. It's hard because I've never loved anyone more than I have
35:25Taylor. But the best thing I can do is give her space and for me my whole
35:31focus right now is to just be the best dad. I want him to have a really happy
35:37life regardless if me and Taylor are ever together or not. I guess the next
35:42thing would be ever. Are you wanting to still do the night situation? Yeah, I'll just keep
35:48him all night. Okay, yeah. See, that's the part that makes this so hard. I mean it's
35:55part of co-parenting. Yeah, I know. It's the worst thing ever. Yeah, I just, yeah I've
36:00never, yeah I've never experienced it though, so. Yeah, it's hell. Yeah, I think it's just
36:12hard because he's so young. I know.
36:18It's really hard to imagine a life without Dakota. It would be like, it'd be
36:25another loss for me. But there is like just a cycle of fight all day and then
36:32he'll come over and then we'll sleep together and then there's like love. But
36:35the cycle is more toxic than good days.
36:43I do love Dakota and so it's not something I want to give up but I do
36:49feel like it's the best thing for us.
36:59You're okay, you're okay.
37:05Oh my gosh, so freaking cute.
37:16She's a fairy. Obviously the conversation with Mikaela didn't go well.
37:22I'm striking out of the game right now, but I'm so excited to celebrate baby
37:27Billy. It's gonna be great. Oh my gosh, so freaking cute. I don't know what the
37:33bunnies are for. I just wanted people to be able to go and hold a bunny.
37:37Oh my gosh, Whitney. Because I have Billy with me,
37:42I knew that everybody was going to want to hold him, but I didn't want that to
37:45happen. So I was like, hey, here's something cute and fuzzy and
37:49cuddly that you can hold to get that fix.
37:53Bunnies stink. No, it's fine.
38:07I know there's like a little flower bar. We've got the balloons
38:11and I love this. This is cute. I know I feel like a little fairy.
38:14I could barely breathe in this dress, but this is the best I've ever felt
38:18like with all my pregnancies. Connor did get a vasectomy today.
38:22He's dead. No. I'm curious to know if they show up.
38:27Yeah, I don't know. Like Demi and Jessie. Yeah. I don't think Mikayla's gonna come.
38:31I mean, I'd be shocked if Layla and Taylor didn't come. I mean, I know Miranda's
38:33coming because we just talked. I don't know if Layla's good with me.
38:36She was the one who wrote the note saying that I was fake or something.
38:40How did you find that out? Macy told me that. Yeah.
38:43Layla was the one who wrote the confession.
38:47I feel bummed about it, but at the same time, I don't think her intention was to tear me down.
38:54I think her intention was to still be included in the group because some of the most vocal
39:00girls, Demi and Jessie, were having these opinions about me. I'm so done with them
39:05and I'm done going to Jay-Z styles too. Well, damn. Yeah.
39:18Hello, guys. Right now, my focus is being the best version of myself, and so I decided to
39:26come to Whitney's baby shower because even though she didn't support me at my baby shower, I don't
39:32think I have to be petty back and be like, I'm not going to come to yours.
39:35The other girls didn't want to come, and I feel like they did that to be petty. Honestly, it's true.
39:43Hello. Hello. You look so beautiful. Thank you.
39:47Today is Whitney's baby shower, and I'm going to go support her, be a good friend because that's
39:51what I would want in a friendship. Thanks for coming. Love you. Granted, I didn't get that
39:55in return in the past, but I think we're trying to take steps forward and move forward in our
40:00friendship. Hey, guys. I want to welcome you, though, officially to Whitney's baby shower.
40:07And Billie's. And Billie's. Babies are such a blessing from God, and we are so happy that
40:16you're all here to celebrate with us. Thanks for coming. We love you guys. Yes. And enjoy. Thank you.
40:24I'm so happy with the women that did show up. I'm loving seeing Macy here. Hopefully, we can just
40:29leave the past behind us. I'm not surprised that Taylor showed up because I felt like we were
40:33rekindling that relationship, so I'd be pissed if she didn't show up. I would have had my mom
40:38call her and say, why aren't you here? I want to hear about all the girl drama, actually.
40:44Oh, it's been a lot. I don't know anything. I'm sweating it out.
40:50You're cool. Hello. Good. How are you? Hi. So cute. I love you. We're going to a little fall dinner tonight over at Jordan and Jessie's, and we're having a little hibachi night. This trumps a baby shower all day long.
41:15Hello. Are you alone? Yeah. Wait, what? That's so sad. I know. Everyone's at the baby shower but us.
41:25So this is like the rebellion. Wait, you guys don't want to go and support? I mean. I mean, support what?
41:32The baby's here. I don't regret not showing up to Whitney's baby shower because I feel like
41:39she invited the group as a whole as a formality, and she also knows we're still on rocky ground,
41:44so I'm good to Whitney in situations where we're doing things as a group, but I don't
41:48think I owe it to her to go to a baby shower quite yet. All right. You guys all like fire, right? Yes.
41:57All right. Are you guys ready to start catching shrimp in your mouth? Yes, sir.
42:00We'll go to you first. Okay. This isn't a representation of how I am with my mouth.
42:05Demetria. Demetria. All right. You ready?
42:21I'm ready.
42:26Did you even open your mouth? Layla took that shrimp like a beast straight to the forehead,
42:32nowhere near her mouth, and her tongue's out, and her mouth's open, and she's like,
42:37uh. Her splat. Hilarious. I wonder what they're doing at Whitney's shower. Probably like milking
42:43cows. Taylor, you want a bunny? I don't like bunnies. You can go hold a bunny. I think mine pees.
42:52I don't mind Whitney at this point, honestly. It's Jen. No, yeah. Jen's my new Whitney.
42:59It's my new Roman empire. There's this many people who have had lies. It's not an isolated
43:04situation. It's like, no, this lie, this lie, this lie. So it's like, at what point are you
43:07just not going to look like a liar? Like, it's, yeah. They're so outlandish, the lies, and they're
43:12so specific, too. It's so weird. Apparently, Jen said that Jordan had his tiny dick all over her.
43:18No, he didn't, first of all. But also, where's this hostility coming from? Like, what could
43:24possibly have switched so quickly with one little Chippendales performance that you consented to?
43:31I'm just preparing for whatever happened with Jessie to happen to me. She is brave to go on
43:37this trip, in my opinion, because it's like, Layla has issues with her. I have issues with her. You
43:41guys have issues with her. It makes sense that her and Whitney are the ones that are getting
43:44close, though. Yeah, it does. They're the only ones that can. Like I said, the delusion likes
43:49company. It's really hard to catch me at a loss for words, but I was completely shocked after my
43:55argument with Jen because the accusations she was throwing were just crazy to me. Like, if this is
44:00an invitation to swing, the answer is no. First of all, Zach would not be my first choice in this
44:05group of husbands. Second of all, I did have a situation in a past relationship, and it did
44:10involve swinging. But that was way in my past and something I shared with her in confidence,
44:16and it just kind of shows me that she's willing to throw daggers when she feels backed into a
44:20corner. I don't know if this is a defense mechanism of Jen's, but I don't want anything to do with a
44:25friend like that. Like, it's bleeding into our friend group and to mom talk, and that's where
44:30it's not okay for me. Wait, Jen, what's your issue with Jessie? The Chippendales is like kind of a
44:36sensitive topic. I'm just like, what was your intention? I mean, I asked Jessie this. I'm like,
44:42when have I intentionally ever tried to hurt you? So what's your issue with Demi then?
44:49Some things went down in Italy. Like, I'll just straight up say it. Like, she was literally
44:53playing truth or dare with a ton of single men. Did she kiss them? One of them kissed her on the cheek.
45:03I called her out for it. She gave me crap for it. You think I'm gonna have your back and stick up
45:09for you when you know you screwed up? I do feel like Demi sits on her high horse and looks down
45:14at all of us. A lot of what she does is trashy. So what else is trashy that I do then since a lot
45:19of it is? Well, I mean, the whole swinging thing was trashy. We got that down. What else? That
45:23whole era of your life. I'm also not gonna defend Chase in anything, but I do feel like Demi did
45:29throw Chase touching her out of proportion. Your girlfriend's literally crying and just left. Like,
45:35that's probably... Where's your husband? He's upstairs. Don't touch me again. Brett! He just
45:41laid his hands on me. What the hell? Yeah. She's always prying at us and our issues, but it's like,
45:46you actually don't share a damn thing about your life. So, I mean, I would like you to open that
45:50lens and let's see what yours looks like. So you feel like they were, like, coming at you
45:54in your marriage? Yeah. So you asked her about the confession that Macy got with her and Brett?
45:59Wait, what? What? Um, I didn't know if Macy told you she got a confession about Demi.
46:05And Brett. It said Brett slept with me while Demi was away. It said I slept with Demi's husband last
46:10year while she was away. Yeah, that's not true. Demi doesn't go a day away from Brett, so...
46:14Besides the girls trip we did in June. It's the ones you never expect and that's why it's crazy.
46:20That is true. Wait, Brett was sleeping with someone when Demi was away? Yes.
46:28Now, where I have an issue is when she's asking me for truth. Let's talk about you and your husband.
46:34That's messy. That's messy. I feel for Jen because it's like if people are digging and
46:40messing with her relationship, she has every right to have a backbone and fight back.
46:43I probably feel the same way. I just am so dreading the minute Jen tries to come out of the
46:49grenades. I know she's gonna do it. She's gonna come at you for the fake thing. Let her. I have
46:53nothing to hide. She's gonna make herself look dumb. If she comes in below the belt, I will
46:59absolutely dominate her. Me too. I will make her look like such a fool. Between all the different
47:04opinions and people taking sides, I just can't see this going any other way but a pure bloodbath.
47:10I am absolutely packing extra super tampons. She's disgusting. I don't want to be associated
47:17with her. I'm like, you have no idea what's coming for you. Going into this girls trip,
47:21Mikaela and I are worse than when we started. Jessie and Jen definitely don't need to be in
47:25a room together. Demi needs to be very careful about calling people out because we all know
47:29she's got skeletons in her closet. All I know is shit is definitely gonna go down at this
47:34girl's trip. Wow, this will be great to be all together. Yikes, yikes, yikes, yikes.
47:39Oh, shit. Oh, no, she's fine. She's okay. Bye, BJ. See you tonight.
47:56I almost said I love you. Well, I do, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah.
48:01It's time for Warming Girls Gone Wild. We're gonna play Targeted C roulette.
48:06No. Question of the day, where's Jen?
48:12Jen likes to put on a facade that she's always happy. She cries like every day and it's 90%
48:17related to the girls. Demi has skeletons in her closet. Does Jen know there's skeletons?
48:24All right, you guys, I have a surprise. Another truth box. Dear God. I was there in Italy. Like,
48:30I saw everything. Yeah. Why would you be talking to him that much? Like, it doesn't add up to me.
48:34I feel like Demi is trying to break the soul of mom talk. I've also been told that you think
48:40you deserve the biggest brand deal. It's not a shock that I was a fan favorite. I just think
48:44you're a fake. Am I the only one that cares about loyalty? Taylor, why do you think we're,
48:50like, preying on your downfall? Because look at the two girls it is. She's a disgusting human
48:55being. You're just a selfish bitch. She needs help. She needs to go be a fucking mom and she
49:00does not get my sympathy anymore. If Taylor's in, I'm out.