The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 1
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00:00Oh my god, I am gonna lose my mind.
00:02Bless that we can clear the air and get even closer.
00:06If you poke the bear, the claws will come out.
00:08Oh shit, I just woke up a monster.
00:15There was more to this story?
00:17They dig at some backlash from the church.
00:19And reputations in their community.
00:21Radically changing the image of Mormon culture.
00:24Videos continuously going viral.
00:26And it's a double-edged sword.
00:31No!
00:33Let this be a lesson for all of you!
00:36They all have boob jobs.
00:38I think I'm gonna be a saint in the center.
00:40If she comes for me, I will absolutely dominate her.
00:43I'm lying.
00:44The truth always comes around.
00:45It does, unfortunately.
00:46You have no idea what's coming for you.
00:48You're keeping receipts.
00:50Who knows when you're gonna unlock that vault and just sabotage someone.
00:53Just touch my wife.
00:56This is the real her before.
00:59Let's fucking move past this.
01:02We all are traumatized.
01:04But we don't go around hurting the people we love.
01:06Do I do petty shit? Yes.
01:08Gotta go head on in the storm.
01:10You wanna call me a shitty wife?
01:12Let's talk about you.
01:13Someone's gonna win and someone's gonna lose.
01:15And it's gonna destroy the group as a whole.
01:16You should literally be in jail.
01:18I will create a whole other fucking mom talk.
01:20Not on my watch, bitch.
01:22What is even happening?
01:28What the fuck?
01:58What the fuck?
02:14Ready?
02:15Okay.
02:16What has life been like?
02:17What's changed?
02:18What's the same?
02:19Tell us everything.
02:21Uh, well, this will be freeing.
02:23Um...
02:29Hey.
02:32The sex goddess is here.
02:34Wait. One boob might be bigger.
02:37Is that better?
02:42What's the hot goss over here?
02:44What's the 411?
02:45What's the 411?
02:46What's everybody been talking about?
02:49We are at the Gracie Lu Cowboy Pillows event.
02:51And I'm so excited to be here with all the girls
02:53and just enjoy a fun influencer event.
02:55Western themes.
02:57So dressing up for this event is the perfect way
02:59to kick off one of my favorite holidays,
03:01which is Halloween.
03:03Sometimes there's a misconception.
03:04Do Mormons celebrate Halloween?
03:05Yes, we do.
03:06And Mom Talk loves it as well.
03:08Is it a bad bowl or a good bowl?
03:10I have to pee. Maybe I should pee first.
03:12We got mom bladders.
03:18That's harder than I thought.
03:20Wait. How do I hold on?
03:21Okay, let's be sexy.
03:23Life has been...
03:25a blur.
03:28The last few months, Mom Talk has grown even bigger.
03:32It's become a nationwide trend.
03:34We're seeing women doing their Mom Talk groups
03:36all across the U.S., which is so crazy.
03:39I love what Mom Talk is doing right now,
03:41the way that we are trying to modernize people in the church.
03:44We've helped move the needle
03:46in the way that Mom Talk intended to
03:48when it comes to the patriarchy.
03:50The brand deals have been way up.
03:53His entire yearly salary is how much I make on one brand deal.
03:57So Jace is in his full stay-at-home dad era right now,
04:00and he's loving it.
04:02I think the perceptions of Mormons
04:04has definitely changed worldwide.
04:06We're just living our life,
04:07making videos and smashing men's hearts.
04:10Just kidding.
04:12Yes, we did get both good and bad responses.
04:15With the church, we'll say we ruffled our feathers.
04:19I do think the church had an issue
04:21with Mom Talk trying to break the patriarchy,
04:23but YOLO. It's fine.
04:25We weren't bashing the church or talking about it negatively.
04:28We were just shining a light on the things that do need to change.
04:31Mom Talk is going to continue to push the church
04:34and the people and the culture to modernize towards today.
04:38And if anyone tries to shit on Mom Talk,
04:40they will be ready to fight.
04:42It's very on-brand for us.
04:44Woo!
04:46Hey, Jen!
04:48Are you good at this?
04:49Whoa!
04:51Oh, my gosh!
04:52There is no sexy way to get off that.
04:54No, it's not going to happen.
04:56But I make it so hard.
04:58Wait, is that Whitney?
04:59Yes, it is.
05:00Yeah.
05:01♪
05:03Do us close, eyes open
05:06I see you trying to see me, but you can't see me
05:08Ain't nobody do it better than I do
05:11Hey!
05:13Oh, my gosh!
05:14This is so cute!
05:15Oh, thank you!
05:17New Whitney, new hair.
05:19That's how it goes.
05:20Hey!
05:21Uh-oh.
05:22Hey!
05:23How are you?
05:24I'm good.
05:25How are you?
05:26Good.
05:27Yeah, how's the pregnancy?
05:28Oh, God.
05:29I'm like...
05:30Two weeks.
05:31Please get this out of me.
05:32Whitney, Whitney, Whitney.
05:34Whitney was deemed kind of the villain,
05:36and she earned every bit of that title.
05:38She didn't attend Taylor's baby shower
05:41Macy's baby mama event.
05:43She has unfollowed us, blocked us, ignored us.
05:48She has upset every single person in the group.
05:51Whitney is no longer a part of Mom Talk,
05:53and rightfully so,
05:54and she's the one that removed herself from the group.
05:56♪
06:00Whitney is definitely on the outs.
06:02This is the circle.
06:03She's out here.
06:04So, how does it feel to be pinned as the villain?
06:08Ooh.
06:09Okay.
06:10I think everyone's pissed
06:11because I haven't apologized for leaving Mom Talk,
06:14and especially with me saying, like,
06:16good luck without me, like...
06:18oopsies.
06:19Do you have any regrets?
06:22No.
06:23I think if there was,
06:24then I would probably say it to them.
06:26No one owes Whitney anything
06:27when her behavior is the way that it is.
06:29Exactly.
06:30She's a little bit of a narcissist.
06:31I have no interest in having a friend like that.
06:33I don't want drama.
06:34I don't want bad feelings.
06:35I just don't want to be her friend.
06:36There you go. Get in front.
06:37There you go.
06:38Even though I'm not in Mom Talk,
06:40this is my livelihood.
06:41I have to come to these things.
06:42I think everybody has sticks up their butts.
06:45Has the fame already gone to our heads?
06:48Hi.
06:49Yee-haw, baby.
06:50Yee-haw, babes.
06:51Come on in.
06:52Why did I throw up?
06:54You?
06:55Why did I straight up throw up?
06:57I sat on the magazine.
06:59Yeah, smart.
07:00Anyone have some tobacco?
07:02I got some chew.
07:04I got some spud.
07:05I get really into the role play
07:07when I go to events.
07:08I know you do.
07:09Oh, Lord.
07:10Is that Miranda?
07:11What the hell?
07:13Oh, shit.
07:14What?
07:15It can't be.
07:16Shut up.
07:17Miranda really came?
07:18Holy shit.
07:19Wait, she looks hot.
07:20She really came.
07:21Ladies, hello.
07:25Miranda is Taylor's ex-best friend,
07:28and she's one of the original Mom Talkers
07:30from when Taylor started the group.
07:32Miranda and her ex-husband, Chase,
07:34were the couple heavily involved
07:36in the swinging with Taylor and her ex-husband.
07:38Taylor started talking about it.
07:39No one was innocent.
07:40Everyone has hooked up with, like,
07:42everyone in the situation.
07:43It came out.
07:44It became public,
07:45and it was explosive on the Internet.
07:47Miranda and her ex-husband panicked.
07:49She left Mom Talk,
07:50and they denied everything,
07:51which made Taylor look worse.
07:52Last I heard, Miranda got divorced,
07:54and she's back in town.
07:55I think it's pretty ballsy of her to show up
07:57to this influencer event.
07:59Hi, Mom Talk.
08:01Did you miss me?
08:03Can I sit with you guys?
08:05My name is Miranda McWhorter,
08:06and you might recognize me
08:08from being one of the Mom Talk OGs.
08:11Just kidding.
08:12Obviously, people know me
08:14from the whole swinging scandal.
08:16Taylor's a very vocal person,
08:17and everybody has heard her side of the scandal,
08:20but I'm finally here to tell mine.
08:22What are you, what's going on?
08:24Yeah, I know.
08:25The last time, I feel like
08:27anything Mom Talk related,
08:28you're like, I don't know if I'd ever...
08:30I know, I'm eating my words now.
08:32You're on the show.
08:33What's going on right now?
08:34Wait, I need to hear everything.
08:35You're divorced.
08:36Did you see it coming?
08:38Yeah.
08:39I mean, I think when I made the decision,
08:41I was sure about it,
08:42and it just was not going to work
08:44as a relationship.
08:45I had tried for so long,
08:47and I realized that it was,
08:48I think our kids would be better off
08:50if we did end up cutting ties when we did.
08:53So did you initiate it?
08:54I did.
08:55I have a question.
08:56So if you're here talking to everyone,
08:58are you trying to join Mom Talk again?
09:00What's the contradiction?
09:01I feel like that's the only explanation.
09:03I don't see another explanation.
09:04Yes.
09:05I think it all comes back to the fact
09:07that I'm not married anymore.
09:09For our marriage,
09:10I just didn't think it was the best thing.
09:12You're here, so we're just going to go all out.
09:14Was there a part of you that was trying to protect
09:16the lie around the swinging thing?
09:18Were you involved in the swinging?
09:23Well, the thing is,
09:24the height of what I was ever involved in
09:27was playing spin the bottle
09:29and kissing other people.
09:31So it was very jarring for me,
09:33for Taylor to come out and say
09:35everyone was hooking up with everyone
09:37because that was simply not the case at all.
09:39We've all heard the exact opposite.
09:41I'm so confused.
09:42No one had sex ever, period.
09:43I kind of want to hear from Taylor and you
09:45to hear the story
09:46because we're hearing two completely different things.
09:49I will go to my grave.
09:50What?
09:52My mind's just been blown.
09:53That's crazy.
09:55It's pretty wild that after so much time,
09:57Miranda has been completely silent
09:59about the swinger scandal
10:01and she's finally coming out
10:03and talking about it
10:04and admitting to things.
10:05But it is a little strange to me
10:07because her story
10:08and Taylor's version of the story
10:11are not completely lining up.
10:12So I'm a little confused as to
10:14who's telling the truth.
10:15You've never touched a wiener.
10:17Never touched a wiener.
10:18Not one time.
10:19A wiener.
10:20Even with your mouth.
10:21Yeah.
10:22Your mouth never came in contact with one.
10:23Oh my God.
10:24Really?
10:25So who's telling the truth?
10:27I have zero reason to believe that Taylor's lying
10:29because she's been nothing but honest to me
10:32and to the world
10:33about her details
10:34and the swinging in her personal life.
10:36And this has been something
10:37that has eaten Taylor up for years.
10:39I know how hard it is for Taylor
10:41and I want to protect her
10:42and I don't want the lies from Miranda
10:45to create the cracks in the group.
10:50Speak of the devil.
10:52I'm trying to find my girls.
10:53Oh my goodness.
10:54Sorry, guys.
10:55I am late.
10:56The new mom talk.
10:57You guys look so good.
10:58You're welcome.
10:59He did it at first.
11:01I do feel very shocked when I see Miranda.
11:06Pretty uncomfortable, I will say,
11:08because I haven't really talked to her since everything.
11:12So...
11:14And I don't know why she's here, I guess.
11:17I'm very confused.
11:19Tay, do you want to go here?
11:20You can go here and we'll move all this.
11:21You want me to sit right by Miranda?
11:22Yeah.
11:23She was one of the girls
11:25participating in the swinging scandal.
11:27Her husband was the one that came and told me
11:29that he had feelings for me.
11:30That's where the story gets confusing
11:32because I stole my best friend's husband,
11:34but that's never been the case.
11:36Miranda was my best friend.
11:37I would have never done that to her ever.
11:39I won't bite you and I won't kiss you, I promise.
11:41Not this time.
11:44Oh wait, we didn't clarify that,
11:45so you guys kissed.
11:47What?
11:48Like you're asking if we have?
11:51How are you feeling?
11:52Horrible, how are you guys?
11:53I'm sorry.
11:57It's been a lot, guys.
11:58Miranda and I have yet to conversate
12:01about our whole situation,
12:02but I did not want to hash any of this out today
12:04because I'm exhausted of what I'm dealing with
12:07in my own relationship with Dakota.
12:09So Dakota was involved with the girl
12:12during our early dating.
12:13He swore that nothing really had happened besides kissing
12:17and then he finally came forward after all this time
12:20saying that there was more to that story.
12:22I was lied to for two years.
12:26I have been in pure sadness,
12:29but I feel like ego's kind of kicking in,
12:31being like, I'm actually nobody's fucking second choice,
12:35so if that's what you wanted, I wouldn't.
12:37I feel like old Taylor's coming back.
12:39Do you not see it?
12:40I feel like so betrayed.
12:41I'm in denial that this isn't even real right now.
12:44And I don't know if I even want to move forward.
12:48People have been doing you dirty for too long.
12:51Yeah.
13:10How are you feeling about everything with you and Zach?
13:13As for my relationship with Zach,
13:17it's been a few months of straight hell.
13:20Since Vegas.
13:21You say I'm not gonna be married to someone
13:23who doesn't have values and morals.
13:25He treats you like shit.
13:26That's gross.
13:27I really don't, I don't really care.
13:30Currently, we are separated.
13:35I never thought I would get to this point.
13:38I've decided to come back to Utah
13:42and be back with Mom Talk.
13:48Today, Zach asked if he could come down to Utah
13:52to talk to me.
13:54I was pretty firm about us being separated
13:56so I can figure out what I need
13:58and just what's best for our relationship.
14:01It's hard because a couple months ago,
14:04Zach and I were committed to going to New York
14:07for med school.
14:08I honestly think you're gonna love New York.
14:10Do you think I'll be missing Mom Talk?
14:13I honestly don't.
14:15But then Zach got accepted to Arizona.
14:17We ended up moving to Arizona.
14:18Things for Zach and I continue to be pretty rocky.
14:22For me to want to fight for a marriage,
14:25I need to feel like he's putting my feelings before his.
14:32Hi.
14:33Hi, baby.
14:34Hi.
14:38Can I come in?
14:39Yeah, sure.
14:40Where do you want me to put this?
14:42You just put it right there.
14:44Yeah.
14:47This place looks nice.
14:48Isn't it cute?
14:49Yeah.
14:50If you don't mind, I'd like it to be my new spot, too.
15:00The last couple months have been hard, obviously.
15:02Been really hard.
15:07I know I messed up.
15:09The way I treated you.
15:11No matter what you had done,
15:12those things should have never been said.
15:14And I have to live with that the rest of my life.
15:17I want to prove to you that I love you
15:20and that I am a good husband, I am a good father.
15:23I want to fight for our marriage, and that's why I'm here.
15:26After Vegas, it felt like the whole world was against us
15:32and wanted us to get a divorce.
15:34I had so many regrets about how I had acted
15:37and the way things had gone down.
15:39I definitely feel like there's still a lot of work to do
15:44as far as changing and becoming who I want to be.
15:47I'm in therapy. I've been working on it.
15:49As long as you want to be here and you love her,
15:51you need to let her live her life the way she wants
15:53or she's never going to be happy.
15:55So I'm here letting you live your life the way you want
15:58so you can be happy.
16:00For so long, I think he truly believed
16:03that his feelings were more important.
16:05Within the Mormon church, it's very expected
16:08for the women to be submissive to their husbands.
16:11But for me, whether this helps me become
16:14a stronger member of the church
16:16or maybe turn away from the church,
16:19I think in order for this marriage to work,
16:22we have to be equals.
16:24I want to fight for our marriage,
16:26but I feel like I've been blaming myself for so many years,
16:30thinking that I was the issue.
16:34I was the issue or I was too sensitive.
16:36I feel like this is, like, the first time in my life
16:38that I need to put my foot down.
16:40Like, I want my partner to know me so well
16:45that they'll think of me and my feelings
16:48before anything else.
16:50And anyone who doesn't respect that,
16:53I...like...
16:56they're not going to be a part of my life.
16:59Even if I were to have gone to Chippendales,
17:03danced with those men,
17:06I'm still the mother of your children.
17:09I'm still your wife.
17:12Do you know what I'm saying?
17:14Yeah.
17:15It's time that I put my foot down.
17:19I'm choosing mom talk.
17:22Yeah.
17:23And if that means I want to go to Chippendales,
17:25I can go to Chippendales.
17:26And if you don't like that, then, like...
17:29I think my actions speak a lot more than my words.
17:32And, like, I'm...
17:34I'm here.
17:35Like, you know, I reached out to my dean
17:38and put in my application to leave medical school.
17:41And my feelings towards mom talk
17:44haven't, honestly, completely changed.
17:47But I feel like a lot of our marriage,
17:49I've made it about me and the things I want to do,
17:51and you've kind of just supported me in that.
17:54I don't know what I'm going to do with my life,
17:56to be honest.
17:57Yeah.
17:58But I'm here to support you
18:00and support your career.
18:03You're willing to give me a chance.
18:05Like, that's all I'm asking for, to show you.
18:08I'm asking if I can... if I can stay.
18:12Um...
18:21The thing that I'm worried about is,
18:24does a part of you still feel like you want to go back
18:27to do medical school?
18:29Yeah.
18:30I mean, I do have a year leave of absence,
18:32so it is possible.
18:33But for now, I'm just focusing on us.
18:35Like, I need someone right now.
18:38Well, I'm here.
18:40I know, but you've been a dick to me.
18:45Yeah.
18:46Yeah, I know, sweetie.
18:48I know why you're mad at me.
18:50And not only that, but your friends,
18:53the mom talk girls.
18:54To be honest, it is a little bit hard
18:56to be a part of mom talk right now
18:58because of all of that.
19:00Do you think you'd want to have a conversation
19:03with some of the girls?
19:06I mean...
19:09hearing the things that they said about me,
19:11a lot of those things were all, like, blatant lies.
19:13But I reached out to every single one of the girls.
19:16Do you guys want to hear the voice memo?
19:18Wait, you have it?
19:19I have it!
19:20Hey, Jessie, this is Zach.
19:21Just wanted to send you guys a quick voice message.
19:24Obviously, I, you know,
19:25never plan on those texts being seen.
19:27But they were.
19:28And regardless, I shouldn't be...
19:30I never planned on those texts being seen.
19:32Is he only apologizing because he got caught?
19:35Anyways, thank you so much.
19:36Hope you guys are doing well.
19:37This is like a copy and paste of what he sent me, too.
19:39It is. Yeah.
19:40Like, it was like a script.
19:41And it's chat GPT.
19:42No, 100%.
19:44And did they respond?
19:46No, I...
19:47I...
19:48Because, I mean, I realized what I did was wrong.
19:50Obviously, those texts were never meant to be shared,
19:52but still, like,
19:53I shouldn't have been saying those things.
19:57For me to let you back into my life
20:00and for us to give this another shot,
20:03I think I'm going to need a lot of time
20:05to just think about this.
20:07So I think that we should keep the Arizona home
20:11until changes are being made.
20:13Leaving med school isn't enough.
20:18So with that being said,
20:19if you are going to live here,
20:21what changes are you going to make?
20:26Obviously, you can't change overnight.
20:28I think this is going to be a long journey.
20:30I definitely have a lot of expectations for him
20:34this time around,
20:35and there's going to be some boundaries
20:37and guidelines moving forward.
20:39I'm trusting you that you can show up for me.
20:45Yeah.
20:46I'm trusting you that you'll be on my side.
20:51Meaning you won't talk over me,
20:53but meaning you'll hear me out,
20:54meaning you'll understand and validate me,
20:56meaning that you will generally think of me
20:59and my feelings before your own feelings,
21:01which I know is going to be very, very hard
21:03with your personality,
21:04but that's what I need.
21:06That's what I want.
21:07And every woman deserves that.
21:12I do believe Jen and I were meant to be together,
21:15and I felt that since the day I met her,
21:17and I will continue to fight for that
21:19as long as she also wants the same.
21:21I think a lot of people who are raised in the church
21:23are raised in a particular way,
21:25and they don't even really realize
21:26some of these patterns.
21:27I put a lot of pressure on myself and Jen
21:30to be a certain way.
21:31I'm not currently going to church,
21:34and I'm hoping moving forward
21:36that we can just be a little bit more authentic
21:38to ourselves.
21:39Can I have a hug?
21:40You can have a handshake.
21:42Just kidding.
21:43Okay.
21:46I love you.
21:47I love you.
21:48At least we're not going through
21:49what Dakota and Taylor are going through.
21:51Yeah.
21:55Hi, I'm Taylor.
21:56When I was four years old,
21:57I met my dad for the first time.
21:58He said, what's up, kid?
22:00And that was the only thing I got.
22:01And then I brought the gummy bears.
22:03I thought that you would get the best of me.
22:06You're wrong.
22:07The truth comes out eventually.
22:10I'm not sleeping with the enemy.
22:12So I'll forgive and I'll forget
22:16I'm better than I've ever been.
22:19Hello.
22:20Hi.
22:21Hi.
22:22How are you?
22:23Good, how are you?
22:24You look so cute.
22:25Yeah, right.
22:26You do.
22:27We match the same vibe.
22:28We do.
22:29Cozy.
22:30Sweats.
22:31Cozy comfort.
22:33How are you feeling?
22:35Not good.
22:36I'm like, obviously freaking out.
22:40Right after Ever was born,
22:42Dakota and I were living together
22:44and in bliss with our new baby.
22:46And I was even considering engagement.
22:48And then I learned that he was lying this entire time.
22:51If this is stating that I've cheated on you
22:54since I've dated you, not true.
22:56Dakota is a liar.
22:58Big shocker.
23:00So I talked to Jenna earlier this year.
23:02Hi, is this Jenna?
23:04I just have some questions about you and Dakota.
23:07And once I told Taylor about it,
23:09she wanted to kind of push back and hold off,
23:11especially until she had the baby.
23:13Today, I am meeting with Jenna.
23:16I'm ready to finally get the full story from both ends.
23:21My point here today is to get clarity on all of it.
23:25I have dates down to the T in my brain
23:27of what was said and what was done.
23:29So I know what he told me when he was at my house
23:32and everything.
23:34So I've done a lot of shitty things.
23:36And maybe this was my karma.
23:38But I feel like I've had my karma already.
23:40So why am I still getting karma?
23:42I don't think it's karma.
23:44I think it's just like you're in the space
23:46where it's time to move forward.
23:48Should we sit?
23:50Yeah.
23:51You just need to relax for a second.
23:53It's so hard stepping stone.
23:55I feel really sick.
23:56I know, it's going to be hard,
23:58but you need to know this to move forward
24:00in either direction.
24:01Because you already know what they're going to be about.
24:03No, I don't.
24:04Like, yeah, but I don't.
24:05This will be like the closure you need
24:08to close this chapter, whether it goes well or bad.
24:11It's like at least you know, and it's not
24:13going to eat you alive anymore.
24:17Yeah, we're good.
24:19Life's great.
24:20If Jenna confirms what Dakota has told me,
24:22I do feel like we can move forward.
24:25But if he is still lying, I'm done.
24:29Don't be a bitch.
24:31Don't be a bitch.
24:55Everything's going to be great.
24:56Don't worry.
24:57OK.
24:58OK.
25:09Hello.
25:10Come on in.
25:11Glad you made it, OK?
25:12Yes.
25:15You can just sit over there.
25:25Oh.
25:37How's it going?
25:38Good.
25:39How are you?
25:40I'm OK.
25:41Yeah?
25:42Yeah.
25:44I can't even tell you how incredibly awkward this is.
25:47Like, oh gosh, I don't even know what to do.
25:50I'm like, do I turn a song on?
25:53Do we hold hands?
25:54Like, what do we do?
25:55I don't even know.
25:56It's the most awkward thing in my entire life.
25:58It's like dead silent.
26:00It's like so uncomfortable.
26:01Yeah, I know.
26:02I hate it.
26:03Me too.
26:04But it's not you.
26:06It's the situation.
26:07Yeah.
26:08And you're just unfortunately the one that was in the situation.
26:11Yeah.
26:12Like, I feel like I've needed this for like so long.
26:15Yeah.
26:16And I feel like I have so many trust issues and anxiety
26:20and all the things.
26:21So like, I just want you to feel good, you know?
26:23Yeah.
26:24Well, thank you.
26:25I knew that there was something off, and I just wanted truth.
26:28Yeah.
26:29And I would feel the same.
26:30I'll show you all the texts and all the things.
26:35Yeah, that would actually be great.
26:36OK.
26:37I'm shaking.
26:39I'm glad that Jenna is coming forward and showing her messages
26:42because it's not an easy thing to do.
26:44It's honestly incredibly awkward.
26:45And she basically said she would do it because she wouldn't want to be
26:48in Taylor's shoes, and she would want to know the truth.
26:51Yeah.
26:57The silence.
26:58This is going to take a minute.
26:59I'm sorry.
27:00So honestly, sorry.
27:01Yeah.
27:02You guys can keep talking.
27:03But yeah.
27:08Did you hang out August 3rd?
27:09Do you remember?
27:10There was one time we went to the trampoline park,
27:12one time we went to the dinosaur museum,
27:14and then one time he came over and we watched a movie.
27:18What did you guys do that day?
27:19What did we say?
27:20It's saying, do you want to come to me?
27:22You sent him your address.
27:25No, he said on my way.
27:26OK.
27:27The next day.
27:28Yeah, he did.
27:29Yeah.
27:30OK.
27:31Yeah, he said he never hung out with you that day.
27:32Oh, OK.
27:33Well.
27:34So he spent the night that night.
27:36I don't know exactly if it was that night.
27:37I do know that he spent the night.
27:39More than once.
27:42OK.
27:43OK, what did you do the first night you spent the night?
27:45Did you do anything with him?
27:46It says, I really hope you don't hate me.
27:48I'm sorry if that went.
27:50If we went too far last night.
27:52We never had sex, for sure.
27:54It's OK, you can be straight up.
27:56So I feel like we did a little bit more than just making out.
27:58I feel like we just probably did maybe hand stuff.
28:02I don't even think I would have done it to him, though,
28:03because being raised Mormon, I just was like, so I'm sinning.
28:07So he's saying, hey, do you want to come over?
28:11I'm just hanging with friends.
28:12So did you go to him that night?
28:13August 4th.
28:145th.
28:15No, I didn't go that night.
28:16But clearly, he invited you over.
28:18Yeah.
28:20Yeah.
28:26He was like texting me all day this day.
28:28He came over to your house.
28:29And he's saying, thank you for letting me crash at your house.
28:31And he came over that night to my house and spent the night and fucked me.
28:34So yeah.
28:37He apologized for everything.
28:39Like that night.
28:41It's so awful.
28:42This is actually so awful.
28:43He definitely lied a ton.
28:46So he deleted a lot?
28:48Yeah.
28:49Now I get why he was so terrified of all of this.
28:53I found out a lot of things that were not being told the truth this entire time.
28:58He made it seem like she was the one that was always instigating and begging.
29:02No, it was him.
29:04He said he had just kissed her on the couch.
29:06Nope.
29:07He went on the couch.
29:08They hooked up on the couch.
29:10And then they went to the room.
29:11They hooked up.
29:12He's trying to hang out with her in the day, respecting her,
29:14apologizing because he went too far with her,
29:17which he didn't freaking even have sex with her, but he's apologizing to her.
29:21Where the fuck is my apology for hurting me that day?
29:24I was the night girl that you came over to at night.
29:28And you were asking her on date dates and telling her cute things.
29:33I feel like a piece of fucking trash.
29:37In our faith, we were taught to wait for the person that we want to marry and end up with.
29:44And I feel like, obviously, if I hadn't been sleeping with him that early on,
29:48I don't think I would have been as hurt.
29:50And it's why it's a guideline,
29:52because it's going to prevent these types of things from happening.
29:57I'm sorry, Jenna.
29:59No, I'm sorry for this.
30:01And it's like, not even you.
30:03That's what sucks.
30:04So you posted a TikTok with him in your bathroom.
30:07And I just had like this feeling in my chest, like, don't trust him, kind of.
30:11And I said, are you dating Taylor?
30:13And he told me, no, it's just for clout.
30:15And like, she's just helping me build my social media.
30:19He said that, that he was just seeing Taylor for clout.
30:22Yeah.
30:34I hate him.
30:42It's okay.
30:45I'm so sorry.
30:47I hate it. I hate it.
30:51I just feel horrible for Taylor.
30:53Like, it's hard because I don't even know how to comfort her.
30:55I just feel for her.
30:56Like, I feel the pain that she's feeling.
30:58And like, I've never seen her like this.
31:00I'm over here asking him to hang out.
31:02And he's lying and saying I can't.
31:04And he's like texting her to hang out.
31:07And saying Jenna baked me.
31:12I know.
31:14He made you sound desperate.
31:17And he's the one texting you.
31:19But at least you know now.
31:20Like, your feelings were right.
31:21It's valid what you were feeling this whole time.
31:24How do you do that to a girl?
31:28It's okay.
31:32You're so strong.
31:33But I loved him. I loved him.
31:35I know.
31:36I know.
31:42No, I can't get unstuck.
31:45Sometimes I get in my head about it.
31:48Sometimes I get in my head.
31:51In my head about it.
31:53What?
31:55It's just a spider.
31:57See, there's no one in that.
31:58You look like us.
31:59She does.
32:00She actually has three.
32:01Well, she's about to have three.
32:03Hello.
32:04Hey.
32:05I definitely missed the friendships that came with Mom Talk.
32:08I'm really hoping to be able to reconnect with Whitney.
32:10I've known Whitney for a few years now.
32:12And I did see her at the Cowboy Pillows event.
32:15But it has been a while since we've really been around one another.
32:19You look amazing.
32:20Yeah, you look amazing.
32:22After the Cowboy Pillows event, I'm not sure where I stand with everybody.
32:26So, I'm starting with Whitney.
32:28I cannot believe it's as toasty as it is.
32:29I know.
32:30It was like so...
32:31Literally put all of us in hoodies.
32:32No, seriously.
32:33I'm like, I'm not even wearing anything under this.
32:35My kids aren't either.
32:36I'm like, I'm sweating.
32:37My legs have a tank top.
32:38Gosh, I know.
32:39I mean, I guess I could lay out in my bra.
32:41There you go.
32:43I am one of the Mom Talk OGs.
32:45Taylor definitely, I feel like, ran the show.
32:48I think she's definitely the best at that.
32:50But Taylor had no plans of doing it by herself.
32:52So, I came.
32:53I first invited Whitney.
32:55And then it just kind of snowballed.
32:57Isn't Coco the same age as Liam?
32:59She just turned three.
33:00Oh my gosh, that's insane.
33:01Because I remember making videos when you were pregnant.
33:04Isn't that wild?
33:05I totally get why everyone's questioning and weird
33:07that Miranda's coming back into the fold right now.
33:09But genuinely, I just feel like I can relate with her
33:12because she obviously needed that time
33:14and is now having the courage or strength or whatever
33:18to come back.
33:19And also, can we please have a new villain?
33:21That person cannot be me.
33:24The cowboy pillows thing,
33:26they thought that you were still lying
33:28about this winging scandal.
33:30I don't think that's a conversation
33:31I would want to have with the other woman.
33:33No, and honestly, it's none of our business,
33:34so who cares?
33:35Exactly.
33:36I think that's the thing is that I'm just like,
33:37I've always wanted to resolve it with just Taylor
33:39because it's like, even though she felt the need to do it,
33:42like come out and do it online,
33:43I'm also like, I would rather not solve it all online
33:47because there has been so much online.
33:49That's like the worst way to do it.
33:50Like, have we not learned our lesson yet?
33:51Yes.
33:52Holy hell.
33:53And I really just, honestly, overall,
33:54I just want it to be like good for us.
33:56I know.
33:57I'm like, Taylor, girl, we've got to get you out of 2022.
33:59Yeah.
34:00Obviously, things were a little awkward at the event.
34:04So I am hosting a happy hour at my house
34:07just to kind of break the ice.
34:10I kind of want to really get more of a feel
34:13if the girls are open to the idea of me
34:16rejoining MomTalk or not.
34:17And I invited Whitney because I would love
34:21to have a friend to support.
34:23I'm curious.
34:24I'm curious to see where time takes us.
34:26Like the fact that you're coming back,
34:28I wonder if someone will leave.
34:30I'll make my own MomTalk with my kids.
34:32Suspect thinks that getting pregnant at 16 is a flex.
34:44What are you guys?
34:53I'm so nervous.
34:54This is so fun.
34:55I'm so scared.
34:56I can't wait to see Mikaela pee her pants.
34:58Have you guys gone to haunted houses before?
35:01I love this shit.
35:02I do it every year.
35:03I've been to many haunted houses.
35:05I love being scared.
35:06I don't really know if the church
35:07has a strong stance against it,
35:09but I do know that anything satanic
35:11that can invite in bad spirits is frowned upon.
35:14So haunted houses are probably
35:15the more playful side of that.
35:16You're going to be fine.
35:18It's going to be just fine.
35:19My mom literally never took me to haunted houses ever.
35:25I hate haunted houses so much.
35:27They give me the worst vibes.
35:28You're going to be fine.
35:29Just close your eyes.
35:30I don't know why I'm paying for these people
35:32to make my skin crawl when Whitney does it for free.
35:35Oh, no.
35:37If you're scared, just go fast.
35:39You guys, I really don't like this.
35:41Oh, God.
35:42This is going in my mouth.
35:43I just got an STD.
35:44Oh, my God.
35:46Bye, Daddy.
35:47I feel like I'm going to have a heart attack.
35:49I'm not kidding.
35:56That's it.
35:57I'm going back to church.
35:59Oh, my God.
36:01That was nuts.
36:03Yay, you did it.
36:05We deserve a drink.
36:06Literally, I'm thirsty after that.
36:08Make it a double.
36:09Ooh.
36:10Look at these.
36:11Wait, that one's mine.
36:14Good job, guys.
36:15Cheers to surviving.
36:16MomTalk survived.
36:18Woo!
36:19We got two saints and two sinners.
36:21Who's going to win?
36:22We're going to pull you guys to the dark side.
36:24Speaking of, can we bring up happy hour?
36:27Yeah, can we talk about that first?
36:28Yeah.
36:29Why are we all invited?
36:30So, Miranda DM'd us on Instagram out of the blue,
36:33all of the MomTalk girlies,
36:34and she wants to have us over for a happy hour.
36:37I don't understand why she's trying so hard to reach out now
36:40when she had three years to do it and never cared to.
36:43I'm just kidding.
36:44I know why.
36:46Because she wants that bag, baby.
36:48I think she burnt her bridges,
36:50and now she sees how well MomTalk is doing,
36:52and now she's just coming on back in
36:54at a convenient time, isn't she?
36:56But we can't let people in who just want clout.
36:58Anyone that comes in at this point is clout-chasing.
37:01That just is what it is.
37:02Are you guys going to go?
37:04I don't really want to.
37:06Mikayla's like, am I forced to go?
37:07I'm like, anyway.
37:09And you're like, I don't know why we're even
37:11entertaining any of this shit.
37:13For us, it's like, why would we want to have you back in,
37:16you know?
37:17I'm curious, like, what she'll say, though,
37:19because I feel like the other day at the event,
37:21we were all shocked by what she was saying.
37:23Oh, I was having none of it.
37:25I feel like you guys were kissing her ass.
37:27What?
37:28Well, OK, I don't know Miranda,
37:29so that's the thing, is I don't know how to act.
37:31It's not me kissing ass or me being like,
37:34oh, I really want to give you a chance.
37:36It's that I literally don't give a shit about anything
37:39other than the truth.
37:40I want to hear both sides, if I'm being honest.
37:42Also, I'm not ever going to be the type of person
37:44that is just going to be, like, a bitch to be a bitch.
37:48No, I get that.
37:49No one's being a bitch, but also, again,
37:51like Whitney, it's a consequence of your own actions.
37:53If you're going to lie and then throw Taylor
37:55under the bus for two years, then obviously,
37:57we're going to give it back.
37:58It was so weird.
37:59Is it a lie, though?
38:00I would love to sit down Taylor and Miranda together
38:03and just talk to both of them.
38:04You've never heard the story from both of them
38:06at the same time?
38:07Yeah.
38:08Which, who knows how that's going to go,
38:09because they're different stories.
38:10We're going to bring our popcorn,
38:11and we're just going to watch.
38:12What if they just start making out?
38:15I absolutely think that truth is the basis of trust,
38:18so they need to sit down and have this conversation
38:20and completely hash this out, especially
38:22if Miranda's going to be welcomed back into the fold.
38:24It's hard, because I feel like there's always
38:27her side, her side, and then the truth.
38:29So I kind of want to just get to the bottom of it,
38:31because if Taylor was lying, that's a big deal.
38:33Come in.
38:58Hi.
38:59Why do you have the baby?
39:00Because Dakota had to go to work.
39:02Why didn't he call me?
39:03I don't know.
39:05Wait, he didn't even ask me, so that's really weird.
39:09Oh, I know.
39:10After everything with Jenna, I call him, like,
39:13you lied, like, way more than I thought.
39:16There was way more messages deleted.
39:17And I was like, how did you do this?
39:18Like, how have you done this to me?
39:20I was kind of, like, looking for some sort of, like,
39:22explanation.
39:23At the end of the day, there's just not.
39:24Like, what is done is done.
39:25All he can say is, like, I'm sorry.
39:27At that point, I distanced myself from me.
39:29It was just, I don't even want to hear it.
39:31I don't want to hear the excuses.
39:32How are you feeling, by the way?
39:33Oh, I'm better.
39:34Does my face look OK?
39:35Yeah.
39:36Yeah.
39:37Your swelling's coming down.
39:38It's, like, going down.
39:39Yeah.
39:40How's it feeling?
39:41It's feeling OK.
39:42Do I look OK?
39:43Yeah.
39:44Do I look funny?
39:45No, you just look really swollen, so you look different.
39:46But, like, I think once it goes down, it'll be fine.
39:47Yeah.
39:48But you look good, and I love your nose.
39:49Oh, I love it, too.
39:50So my mom wanted to get a nose job
39:53and then got her whole face done.
39:58When I saw her post-surgery, I was like, mom, what did you do?
40:04She looked like she got hit by a bus.
40:06Do I look your age?
40:08I wouldn't go that far.
40:10But she's healing well.
40:12And if she feels great, great.
40:15Hi, buddy.
40:16He's so cute.
40:17Oh, I'm sorry, baby.
40:18I think he's teething.
40:20How are you doing?
40:22I'm OK.
40:25I met up with Jenna.
40:26Yeah.
40:27It's just all the lying that really hurts.
40:28I feel like I fell in love with, like, someone that, like,
40:32doesn't exist.
40:34He's not the guy that I thought, like, at all.
40:37Now it's like, where do we go from here?
40:39Yeah.
40:40And that blanket.
40:42I know.
40:44I feel like I just can't, like, even try, like.
40:48I feel like the only thing I've ever asked of Dakota
40:51is to be honest.
40:52Yeah.
40:53That is the only thing.
40:55Like, could you handle it?
40:57I choose walking away than those things I just found out.
41:00It's going to be awful.
41:01I agree.
41:02I don't want that.
41:03But I am not going to settle.
41:05I had a stepdad growing up.
41:06But I've always called him dad because he adopted me at two
41:09and he's been the father throughout my life.
41:11So he's my dad.
41:12But I think my trust issues stem from my biological father
41:16leaving me at a young age.
41:18And I think that's why I'm so stuck.
41:20I met my dad once.
41:22My mom took me to a restaurant.
41:25I don't know.
41:26How old was I?
41:27Four, maybe?
41:28And he sees me and he's like, what's up, kid?
41:30And that's literally, like, all he says to me.
41:34And I remember, like, turning around and going back to my booth.
41:38I had never heard from my dad after that day.
41:41That has stuck with me more than I ever thought.
41:44When you feel like you're not loved by your dad
41:47and that's the only words he has to say to you,
41:49I think, I don't know.
41:51I think there's just a wound there that's been there for a very long time
41:54that I've never addressed, and that's why I'm probably fixating on shit.
41:57I'm, like, really angry.
41:59Like, I'm, like, asking God, I'm like, why this too?
42:03Like, why this too?
42:05Like, I came into this relationship wanting it to be different
42:09and, like, loyal and good.
42:11I feel used and played and, like, trash.
42:14Like, why am I still on this couch crying, like, a year later?
42:17It's so annoying.
42:20I'm sorry.
42:23And I didn't even see it coming.
42:25It just sucks.
42:27Oh.
42:34I'm, like, angry.
42:38So what do you do?
42:40You keep trying.
42:42I really wish she would have thought of things before we got pregnant from him.
42:46Just like we said, you know, like, take your time,
42:49because it hurts everybody, like, not just you.
42:52You have three kids now, and you need to focus
42:55and put their lives in front of yours, you and Dakota.
42:58Like, this needs to be your priority.
43:01That's a foundation of our lives, is our family.
43:04If anything that the LDS church has, like,
43:07that foundation of a family is something that I strongly believe in.
43:11Your generation, I think, is just like,
43:13okay, it's not working, see you later.
43:15And it's not like that.
43:17But it hasn't been working for two years.
43:19I know, but still, Taylor, you need to try.
43:24I'm at a loss. I'm at a loss right now.
43:27I do love Dakota, but at the same time,
43:30I won't ever be able to trust you.
43:32And so now it's like, what do we have?
43:34So I am going to tell him, please don't come back home.
43:37You are immediately out of my house,
43:39because the only way we're ever going to work out
43:41is if you let me breathe for a minute.
44:02Okay, here we go.
44:04Hi.
44:05How are you guys?
44:06Good, how are you?
44:07Good, welcome.
44:09So just fill all this out.
44:12What do you want me to put, married or separated?
44:15Depends on the day.
44:17We'll put married for today.
44:18For today, I can put married.
44:19Yeah.
44:20Okay.
44:21Come on in.
44:22Zach and I definitely have a lot to work on.
44:25And ketamine therapy is supposed to reset
44:30a lot of past traumas or habits you've created.
44:35Ketamine is in the gray area when it comes to the church.
44:39Yeah, the church doesn't promote ketamine,
44:42but it's definitely not like a commandment.
44:44Zach trying ketamine is a pure example
44:48of how much he's willing to do to show up for a relationship.
44:54This reminds me of when I used to donate plasma.
44:59It's too late to back out now.
45:01Yep, a little bit.
45:02You started.
45:05Never thought we'd get to this point
45:06where we'd be doing drugs together.
45:10Whoa, it hit me.
45:13It's hitting me right now.
45:17You're in this thing.
45:24That was the hardest thing I've ever done.
45:26Will you come cuddle next to me once you're done?
45:28Yeah.
45:35Okay, Zach, I'm just going to take your IV up now.
45:40Were we out for a long time?
45:42I can't remember.
45:44I'm going to come over and give you a hug.
45:46Whoa.
45:53I just had some memories of when we first started dating.
45:58It truly felt like you were my missing piece.
46:03When we were in Hawaii,
46:04when we were running through the coffee fields,
46:07I was thinking...
46:09I was like...
46:13I was like, I would literally give anything in the world
46:16to relive that day.
46:25I just want us to be happy again.
46:27Yeah.
46:31Jen and I do love each other, and we are a team,
46:34and it's easy when you get back to the root
46:37of why you love each other.
46:39Being able to relive some of those memories
46:41and think about some of those times I've had with Jen,
46:44yeah, I just kind of realized just how special she is to me.
46:48A month before I met you, I remember...
46:53kneeling down and praying out to God
46:56to help me find my person.
46:59And he led me to you.
47:02I want to fight for you, and I will always fight for you.
47:07So...
47:09I love you.
47:10I love you too.
47:13I'm glad we could come do this.
47:15Yeah, we need this.
47:17So do you still plan on meeting up with Demi and Jesse?
47:24It's important for me that Zach makes people feel
47:27that Zach makes peace with Jesse and Demi,
47:30because I feel like tossed in the middle.
47:32I just want to squash everything
47:34and resolve a lot of the resentment
47:36I think they're holding about Zach.
47:38Might be a good time, you know, after ketamine.
47:42Might be in the right...
47:43In the right headspace to talk to them.
47:45Yeah.
47:46If they're really your best friends
47:48and they really care about you and I'm your husband,
47:50then it's important that we have that conversation.
47:57♪
48:17Taylor asked me to move out.
48:19I'm gonna just move into a friend's house
48:22for, like, a little bit
48:24till I can figure out what to do.
48:26I don't know, it just sucks.
48:28When I saw Macy call Jenna,
48:31I don't know, I just didn't want more problems.
48:35So I actually decided to tell Taylor,
48:39like, yeah, we just made out.
48:41We, like, tri-humped.
48:43I fell asleep with her on the couch.
48:45The thing that I left out that was, like, a big one
48:48was just that we were in a room,
48:50because I knew that one would...
48:52Yeah, that one would hurt her.
48:55I deleted some messages
48:57that if she was to, like, read those,
48:59I thought that would essentially make me lose her and my son.
49:03I did lie.
49:04I was always doing it selfishly to protect myself.
49:07I just wish I was honest to her.
49:09But it's too late.
49:11♪
49:15Oh.
49:19♪
49:26Oh.
49:35It's hard, too, because our son's so perfect.
49:40I feel a lot of guilt for him, too.
49:48Just feeling like I let him down.
49:51I would do anything to have my family,
49:56to be with Taylor,
49:58and, yeah, unfortunately, I just, I hurt her really bad,
50:03and I screwed up,
50:05and that these are also consequences of my own actions.
50:10I'm just sick of, yeah, I'm sick of hurting,
50:14and I'm sick of, like, destroying things in my life
50:19due to myself.
50:23Taylor's the one person I've loved the most out of anybody.
50:27It's just worth fighting for.
50:30And that's what I'm gonna do.
50:33♪
50:42♪
50:51Going into the happy hour at my house,
50:53there's definitely some nerves there going on.
50:56I know that there is a lot of speculation
50:59about my intentions of rejoining MomTalk.
51:04One of the biggest is because I'm a single mom now,
51:08and what I really am craving and wanting back
51:11is that support and that friendship.
51:13But I know that I'm going to kind of have to win these girls over,
51:17and I get it,
51:19but I for sure feel like I'm walking into a limestone.
51:22Hello. Hi, how are you?
51:26We got a little mocktail situation going on here.
51:29Does that say MomTalk on it?
51:31What the hell?
51:33I'm eating the M.
51:34MomTalk's going to shit, so I might as well just eat it.
51:37Walking in to see Miranda's cheese spread
51:39that she's made for us
51:41and the cheese words that said MomTalk.
51:46I can't.
51:48The smell of desperation.
51:50Oh, Lord.
51:52Stop it.
51:55Knock, knock, knock, knock.
51:58I was like, I'm just going to open it.
52:01I'm surprised to see Whitney here.
52:03I'm just going to have to play the game of just like,
52:06stay away from Whitney.
52:08I do feel this sense of protectiveness around MomTalk,
52:11and I do feel like we need to protect it from people like Whitney
52:15and maybe Miranda who might have ulterior motives.
52:18I don't want one more problem bleeding into the health of a MomTalk.
52:23How are you?
52:24We're best friends here.
52:25Help yourself.
52:27I'm coming to this event today because I'm really loving
52:30building this relationship with Miranda.
52:32Not that I'm a swinger, but we have a lot of other things in common.
52:36We've got two kids.
52:38We're very level-headed people, and I just want to support her
52:41because I'm sure they're about to have a really awkward conversation.
52:44It's really good food.
52:46Honestly, yes.
52:48When did you go into labor with your other two?
52:50I was induced for everyone.
52:53I'm excited too because, like, I'm done.
52:55Oh, you're done with three and done.
52:57I always say three is the new six in Utah.
52:59Right?
53:00I don't know what to think about Miranda and Whitney's new relationship.
53:03I just feel like their whole friendship seems a little bit phony right now,
53:06and I honestly think it just came from a place of they're both trauma-bonding
53:10over, you know, ruining friendships with everyone and leaving MomTalk.
53:15Hello.
53:16Hi.
53:17Is this your house?
53:18Yes.
53:19It's so cute.
53:21What did I miss?
53:22Nothing yet.
53:24The vibes are just off, and I think it's because Mikayla,
53:29Layla, and Macy are against Miranda joining MomTalk
53:33because they are Team Taylor, but to be honest,
53:37I actually don't mind Miranda, and she's a single mother,
53:40so as a woman, I don't see why we can't support her.
53:45We can also move.
53:46If you guys are done eating, we can move over to the couch
53:48so you guys don't have to sit on the back of the couch.
53:50I'm going to be honest.
53:51I'm shocked you're still showing up to MomTalk stuff.
53:53Oh, really?
53:54Yes.
53:55After everything.
53:56Wow.
53:57Also, with going to Vegas, I don't know if I can trust you.
54:00Yeah.
54:01It's like no one was there for you.
54:02Yeah.
54:03I mean, I literally reached out to everyone in the group message.
54:07You weren't in the group message, so you didn't see this.
54:09I basically said, like, hey, you guys, I'm struggling right now.
54:12Zach and I are struggling.
54:13I would appreciate it if you didn't feed into any of the negativity online
54:17right now.
54:18Yeah.
54:19Just while we're figuring stuff out.
54:20No one responded.
54:21Yeah.
54:22Oh, gosh.
54:23Sorry.
54:24It's just sucking.
54:25Yeah.
54:26I would hate that.
54:27Hello.
54:28Hi.
54:29Come on in.
54:30I decided to come to Miranda's happy hour because I am trying to take control of my life.
54:36One, separating from Dakota, and two, I'm curious what she has to say to the group
54:41because if she decides to pull some lies out, I will be there to set it straight,
54:46but I will not be called a liar when I'm not a liar.
54:48I'm done with that.
54:49Macy.
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