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'Ignoring That Means Ignoring The Law': Patty Murray Grills Top HHS Nominee
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5/12/2025
At Thursday's Senate Health Committee hearing, Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) questioned James O'Neill, nominee ot be Deputy HHS Secretary.
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Mr. Chairman I just want you to know the Trump administration fired many of the
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CDC port health station staff in fact at SeaTac in my state there used to be
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four. They are the person that screened travelers at the ports of any entry so
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if we don't have people there to screen even a mandate would make it very
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difficult to assure that so I share your concern but I also think we have to
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personnel there to do it with that Mr. O'Neill we are knowing we know right now
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that at HHS there's they're undertaking a massive reorganization firing staff
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canceling and terminating thousands of grants and contracts worth billions of
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dollars delaying sending that grant funding out including by the way for
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life-saving biomedical research and meanwhile HHS is currently I know you're
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not there yet but they are refused fusing to provide basic answers to many of
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our straightforward questions they are canceling long-standing briefings and
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they're telling Congress and virtually the American public nothing about these
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dramatic unprecedented changes last week HHS submitted an operating plan for fiscal
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year 25 required by law and it leaves it blank the funding levels for 530 programs
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we're left blank the department is effectively telling us it doesn't have
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to tell us or the American people anything about how it is going to spend
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tens of billions of dollars taxpayer dollars across hundreds of programs and
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that is really stunning to me in my time of Congress I have never seen an
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administration less transparent than this one eyes I've also never seen an
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administration so insistent I'm pretending they are transparent while going
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out of there what way to hide basic information that we require so mr. O'Neill I
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want to ask you if you are confirmed will you commit to prior tours prioritizing real
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transparency and sharing information with Congress and the American public about
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what HHS is doing thank you for the questions senator it's lovely to see you I was a
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Senate staffer in the 1990s we had a few pleasant interactions I don't expect you to
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remember but yes I have a kind of visceral sense that it's Congress that
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authorizes all the programs at HHS it's Congress that appropriates the money for
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HHS Congress absolutely deserves to have prompt and accurate information both
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proactively about future plans and also in reply to questions whether it's
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testimony or written questions and yes I commit if confirmed to ensure that the
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whole department takes seriously its obligation to provide good transparent
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accurate prompt information to Congress well I appreciate that answer I'm not
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holding my breath because I haven't seen it happen yet but mr. chairman I want you to
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know I am focused on real transparency here this department is not above
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congressional oversight and we have a responsibility and need to help hold all
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the agencies accountable so this is something I'm tracking very closely I
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wanted to ask you quickly too about women's health the plan to gut HHS is a
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disaster for health and safety but it is based it seems to me on a total lack of
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understanding about how different agencies across the department work for
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example senator Kennedy seems to think we shouldn't have more than one office
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that covers women's health well women's health requires dedicated focus in
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different areas for example workforce training at HRSA cancer prevention at CDC
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scientific research at NIH those are separate and distinct efforts addressing
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women's health which has long been underfunded but because of Congress's
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dedicated bipartisan investments we've been able to make progress so if you are
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confirmed will you commit to restoring women's health functions across HHS and
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directing the department to spend an appropriated funds for women's health
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as directed by Congress thank you for the question senator obviously women's
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health is will continue to be a critical issue is distinct from men's health in
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many significant ways the principles of the secretary outline for the proposed
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reorg said that any reorg would be based on the on preserving all the central
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functions of the department ensuring that they continue and that they're
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executed on well as as mandated by statute and also the principal their two
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functions make more sense to be conducted within the same agency or office that
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that could make sense it also makes sense to me that if functions are closely
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similar perhaps we should consider putting them in the same office well I I would
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just say mr. chairman women's health isn't just one little corner we are
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affected women are affected by many different ways including as I said
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through workforce training through cancer prevention through scientific research
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different agencies those offices all do very different things there's a reason
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why Congress passed funding for each one of them ignoring that means ignoring the law
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the law thank you mr. chairman senator moody thank you sir thank you for being
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