What's the Major Cause of Political Instability in Pakistan?

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00:00So, Fawad sir, do you agree? Is there really something going on behind this, even now?

00:07Fawad Chohi sir?

00:09Look, I don't agree with Malik sir.

00:11I don't agree with him either.

00:13Look, Basim, the thing is, either you give Imran Khan a complete defeat.

00:19Imran Khan is not getting a complete defeat.

00:22It is true that the PTI could not make Bangladesh or bring about a revolution.

00:28But, on the other hand, Imran Khan is not getting a complete defeat.

00:31Actually, it is a very interesting thing if you look at it.

00:34The establishment, whatever policy they made, they finished the PTI.

00:40But, they sent Imran Khan to the skies.

00:43So, actually, the one with whom there was no fight, they slaughtered him.

00:48And, the one with whom there were complaints, they made the fight more important.

00:53So, if you are advising the establishment at this time,

00:56then, actually, there has been a lot of defeat.

00:59I would say that whatever policy was being made or was being done,

01:03Imran Khan did not suffer any loss.

01:05The party suffered a loss.

01:06And, at this time, if Imran Khan is in jail,

01:09then, it is obvious that his politics are not making any difference.

01:14The problem at this time, the negotiations that are taking place,

01:18that is why it is important.

01:20In the next, let's say, next 40 days,

01:22the biggest thing will be whether international pressure comes or not.

01:27If international pressure comes,

01:29then, Imran Khan's relevance will increase and you will have to deal with him.

01:34If it does not come, then,

01:36finally, the establishment and the government,

01:38or Nawaz Sharif Sahib, Javed Lateef Sahib was saying,

01:41release them, bring them, the poor people.

01:44You tell me, in all these matters,

01:47you have ended the politics of Noor League,

01:49you have ended the politics of People's Party,

01:51you have, in the establishment and in the people,

01:54there has been a loss.

01:56After all, how big a price is this policy paying?

02:00So, if this policy had been successful,

02:03and you had done Imran Khan,

02:05the way you had done Nawaz Sharif or Benazir,

02:10there is a very wrong example,

02:12that we had removed Iltaf Hussain and ended MKM.

02:17MKM was built on a gun.

02:20When they took the gun back from Iltaf Hussain,

02:22MKM sat down.

02:24Imran Khan has no issue, he is not standing on a gun.

02:27So, unfortunately, Pakistan is suffering in this, in this fight.

02:31So, as long as your policy is continuous,

02:36Imran Khan is not suffering,

02:38Pakistan is suffering,

02:40and I am sure that its realization is there,

02:43and that is why we are discussing this.

02:44You want to add something, Mr. Malik?

02:45Yes, Basim, look,

02:46first of all, it is important to understand

02:48that negotiation is not a four-letter word.

02:50Negotiations do not show anyone's weakness or strength.

02:54Negotiations are necessary.

02:55People think that when we are talking about negotiations,

02:58maybe we are just saying that Imran Khan is needed.

03:01No, negotiations, state institutions are also needed,

03:04Imran Khan is also needed.

03:06They need a political stability.

03:08Imran Khan needs his own politics,

03:11he needs his freedom, he needs everything.

03:13And all these casual talks,

03:16that Imran Khan is fine, he is in jail,

03:18these are the things that ordinary people do,

03:21who have not seen jail.

03:22Look, it is very easy to hear,

03:24what happened, it's been a year since you've been in jail.

03:27The year of jail,

03:29it takes you ten years of normal life.

03:31We have seen jails.

03:33It's very difficult.

03:34The day of jail is not 24 hours.

03:37It seems that a day passes in 24 months.

03:40Time stops there.

03:42Time stops.

03:43Your day does not end.

03:45This is not a joke,

03:46that you have been in jail for a year or two,

03:48then it will not matter.

03:49Physical incarceration.

03:50If I get you imprisoned in your house tomorrow,

03:53how's the risk?

03:54You hit the walls after 15 days.

03:56You go crazy.

03:57Where can I go?

03:58Jail is not an easy thing.

04:00Just because the master is completely alone.

04:19I agree with you.

04:21Politically, he has gained.

04:24Politically, he has gained.

04:26But the issue is that,

04:28both of these things are necessary.

04:30But what is the issue?

04:31I just want to add one point.

04:34No.

04:35I just want to add one point.

04:38It's obvious that you're in jail.

04:41It's a good thing.

04:42It's very difficult.

04:43We just came out of jail.

04:46The problem is,

04:47why is Imran Khan in jail?

04:50The reason for keeping Imran Khan in jail is,

04:53that he agrees,

04:55and we get that political stability.

04:58Imran Khan should go out.

05:00This has been a tradition in our country.

05:02Now Imran Khan is out of syllabus.

05:05He is neither going nor dealing.

05:08Ultimately, I am saying that,

05:11the policy that was made after thinking,

05:13that policy is not right.

05:15Is this a game of nerves?

05:16Who blinks first?

05:18Let's manage Imran Khan.

05:20Is this a psychological war, Mr. Fawad?

05:22Who goes first?

05:23This has gone beyond nerves.

05:25Both have shown their nerves.

05:27Look, he has two alpha males.

05:30Imran Khan is also an alpha male.

05:33Imran has popular power.

05:36The other alpha males have land power.

05:39There are two different things.

05:40There is also a conflict of personalities.

05:43I always say that in Pakistan,

05:45every person is bigger than his office.

05:48The one who sits in the office of the Prime Minister,

05:50thinks he is bigger than the Prime Minister.

05:52Same goes with the non-civilian organizations also.

05:55Here, the two personalities are very important.

05:59There is also a personalized thing.

06:02This is a mistrust factor.

06:04Even if there is a deal,

06:05there is a negotiated settlement,

06:07and Imran comes out,

06:09when two lakh people see him,

06:11they will say,

06:12let's renegotiate.

06:14Now they are afraid.

06:15The problem is,

06:16the element of mistrust,

06:18this is the biggest obstacle in any agreement.

06:21This is the reality.

06:22Theoretically,

06:25there are two strong people.

06:27Both have extreme power.

06:29One has popular power.

06:30One has administrative power.

06:32Mistrust is very high.

06:34Who will end this mistrust?

06:35This is the question.

06:36There is a history of international guarantors

06:38ending mistrust in Pakistan.

06:40No, no.

06:41Guarantors,

06:43see,

06:45what Malik has said,

06:46one second,

06:47Malik has said that

06:48one has popular power,

06:50one has physical power.

06:53This is what I am saying to you.

06:55Who is losing in this fight?

06:57The real loss is of Pakistan.

06:59All these Pakistanis,

07:02the citizens,

07:03are affected by this.

07:04But Malik Shah is not saying that

07:06the fight has gone so far

07:07that the mistrust has become deficient.

07:09Fawad, this is the thing.

07:11Both sides have to think more than their own selves.

07:14Everyone.

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