Who Is Putting Obstacles in the Meeting with the Founder? Afnan Ullah's Response

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00:00Now, Mr. Afnan, please come to this.

00:02I have asked you to tell me what the situation is in these three cases.

00:06You are saying, write it down and give it to me.

00:08You have already written to the people of your negotiating committee

00:12that it is very legitimate that we want to meet our leader in this regard.

00:16So, we will get him to meet us so that he can give us the Charter of Demand.

00:19Now, your own negotiating committee and your team are saying,

00:22we will get him to meet us, we will get him to meet us.

00:23And they are not able to meet.

00:25So, either they are saying something and doing something.

00:28There is a contradiction in their statements.

00:29Or they themselves are helpless.

00:31Maybe they will say, brother, we also have to ask someone to meet us.

00:34We did not get permission from there, so we are not getting him to meet us.

00:36What is the matter?

00:36What is the problem in getting to meet him that he is not able to do it?

00:40Mr. Afnan.

00:42Look, the thing is that Mr. Imran Khan has had more than a thousand meetings in the last one and a half years.

00:53In fact, I do not think that there have been so many meetings of a single leader in our history.

01:03So, his meetings have been in the past, but the thing is that whatever work the government does,

01:08it will do it under some rules and laws.

01:10And obviously, we have to act according to the Jail Manual.

01:13They say that there should not be anyone there.

01:16Now, where do we get such an environment from?

01:19I mean, you tell me, the rest of the political activists who are leaders, they also work under the same circumstances.

01:27In response to that, they say that when you were trapped, there was no day or time to meet.

01:32At 7 in the morning, they opened the door, sent Mr. Swati, made him sit alone and did everything.

01:36So, when you want, everyone can do it.

01:37So, do it now too.

01:40Look, the thing is that even if this happened, it was not a good precedence.

01:45It was wrong.

01:45And it is not necessary to follow that precedence again and again.

01:49So, now I think that whatever their demands are, and if they think that they are permissible,

01:58then they should write it down and give it to us, what's wrong with that?

02:01They are saying that you make us meet, then they will write it down.

02:03So, if you make us meet, then they will write it down.

02:05Look, that meeting will eventually take place.

02:08The issue is not about the meeting.

02:10Then they will write it down and give it to us.

02:11Okay, if this is how it is going to be, then they will write it down and give it to us.

02:13What is the problem?

02:14I am saying this because you should understand that where did we get that environment for them?

02:19Where there is no one and how can such a situation be created?

02:23They are saying that they put secret camera and audio devices.

02:26So, we have got such an environment where all this is not happening.

02:27Is this not allowed?

02:29No, you tell me that when Mian Nawaz Sharif Sahib went to jail, what is special for him?

02:36Such a mechanism was there.

02:38When Mian Sahib met, were there no recording devices installed there?

02:41Special.

02:43But whatever was there, that is what is going on.

02:46I am saying this.

02:48So, if this has also happened with Mian Sahib, then as you just said, it was a wrong precedent.

02:53This should not have happened.

02:54So, do we have to continue it or discontinue it?

02:58No, look, its continuation and discontinuation is a separate debate.

03:06The thing is that we cannot create a special circumstance for them

03:12which is a precondition for negotiations.

03:15I can tell you this and that, but it cannot be like this.

03:18The issue is not about meeting, the issue is about that conditionality.

03:21Look, Afzal Sahib is not saying that send a helicopter to meet Mr. Khan in Benigalagurwa.

03:27He is saying that in the same jail, in a place where there are no devices,

03:30in an open environment, in a lawn.

03:32This is a very unusual request.

03:34If there is, then the people of the Negotiating Committee say that they will get it met,

03:40then they should say that they cannot get it met like this.

03:42Meetings can happen, they have been happening, they will happen.

03:47I have told you the matter.

03:48The thing is that the other leaders have also worked in the same circumstances.

03:54So, they should also do it in the same circumstances.

03:57Secondly, look, the important thing is that are we working for political stability in the country,

04:04for public interest, for these things, for negotiations.

04:08In these negotiations, there should also be issues of public interest.

04:14So, it should not be specific to one person.

04:18I am saying this.

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