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Talks Between PTI and Govt - Barrister Aqeel Malik, Faisal Chaudhry's Reaction

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00:00The problem is that we are talking about negotiating committees and the objections of Maulana Sahib are heavy.

00:08Technically, I am not debating the Madaris bill. I am doing it from a political angle.

00:12Technically, my position is that the government should enforce the matters of transparency.

00:19We should honour the international commitments of Pakistan.

00:24You are not taking the Dareeq-e-Insaaf committee seriously because they are saying that they are negotiating.

00:32Earlier, you used to say that we don't negotiate. Now that we are negotiating, you don't want to talk to us.

00:37Don't you see a way forward that they are ready to negotiate?

00:41Mari Sahiba, the biggest concern for the government, PMLN and its allies is that

00:52who will guarantee for them?

00:55You have seen that they are all goody-goody and the atmosphere is good.

01:01It is a very good thing. But the next day, when they go to Peshawar,

01:06they get scolded. They are told that they are getting news that the atmosphere outside is good.

01:13The real thing is that the preference will be that those people become a part of the Mazaqarati team

01:23who are a part of the parliament, the senate and the national assembly.

01:26Are they the same people?

01:27No, there are some people who are in the parliament.

01:29Except for Salman Akram Raja, I think they are all elected.

01:32But when I speak on behalf of both the houses of the parliament, there should be some responsibility.

01:39Who will take the guarantee?

01:42Because there is one thing in the morning, one thing in the evening and one thing the next day.

01:45You have seen that for the past 10 months, from the Prime Minister to the leadership of all the parties,

01:51all the governments and all the allies, everyone has said the same thing that Mazaqarati should be there.

01:56You should come for Mazaqarati.

01:58Mazaqarati has been there. They have started a movement in Pakistan.

02:05They gave a mandate to Chak Zahid and took it back.

02:07You have seen it, I have seen it. Everybody saw that.

02:09There were three meetings and it could not reach any conclusion.

02:12And then all of a sudden a U-turn came and said that we will not talk to them.

02:16On the occasion of 26th Tarmim, we saw that there was a very good political exercise

02:19when there were objections on the other side.

02:21You spoke to Maulana Sahib about Mazaqarati, about politics.

02:25But Maulana Sahib is telling you today that he also does not have a branch.

02:28So is the branch a problem for you as well?

02:30Because Maulana Sahib who believed in you, who engaged with you, is upset today.

02:34He will say that the promises were not fulfilled.

02:36We did not say that.

02:37If our intentions were not good and we were not sincere with them,

02:46then after the 26th Aayani Tarmim was passed,

02:50then in the wee hours of the morning,

02:52we passed the bill on Madaris.

02:57The National Assembly passed it.

02:58Then why are you upset? Why don't they understand?

03:00We did our job.

03:01You are not able to make them understand.

03:02They are not able to understand.

03:04Maulana Sahib has been doing politics for 40 years.

03:06They are not able to understand your political manoeuvring.

03:08There is a problem somewhere.

03:09Your intentions are good. Maulana's intentions are good.

03:11Where is the problem?

03:12Maulana Sahib, there are some legislative steps in legislation.

03:15The bill was introduced. It was passed.

03:19So far, everything is fine.

03:21Both are in the hands of the Parliament.

03:22After that, it goes to the President of Pakistan for assent, for gazette notification.

03:27If there are objections from there, then we are looking at it.

03:31It will be clear.

03:32You have made an interesting separation between PML and People's Party.

03:36Faisal Sahib, Malik Sahib is right.

03:39Khan Sahib has to make the decision.

03:42The things that are reported from the court,

03:44is it right?

03:45Because it was Khan Sahib's anger that everyone outside is happy.

03:49Everyone is happy.

03:50Although Khan Sahib is talking aggressively.

03:54His tone is aggressive.

03:55His statements are aggressive.

03:56The language outside is reconciliatory.

03:59Is this a disconnect?

04:01Do you leaders talk like this outside?

04:05Ms. Aleema also said something like this.

04:07Look, it is easy to talk about this.

04:14You say that the access to political leadership has been completely destroyed by Imran Khan Sahib.

04:19His people have not been allowed to meet for the past three months.

04:23What Khan Sahib said was in context.

04:26The limited information that he had,

04:30he said that because many people have been martyred,

04:34after the martyrdom,

04:38he said that you cannot take a soft stand.

04:43Look, we have a rank and file.

04:45There is a lot of anger in it.

04:47I don't want to talk too much,

04:52but where will you throw the authentic compensation of 12 people who have been buried?

05:03This cannot happen overnight.

05:05Look, we have given a list of 149 missing persons.

05:08A lot of people have been born.

05:09Where were they before?

05:10It is good to give that list.

05:12They were present.

05:13Some were found in the jails.

05:16It is a positive step.

05:19So, Khan Sahib said that our people have been martyred.

05:22Our people have been injured.

05:24They were peaceful people.

05:26So, there is injustice with us.

05:28Continuously injustice has been happening for two and a half years.

05:31According to the figures of the government,

05:33our MNAS, MPS, workers have been fined 100,000 rupees in Punjab and Islamabad.

05:40Now, you have fined 100,000 rupees.

05:43After that, they came to D-Chowk.

05:45So, let them sit there for 3-4 days.

05:47It is a good thing.

05:48But I just want to know,

05:50your point of view is that

05:52Imran Khan Sahib's displeasure with the leadership,

05:55which is expressed by his sister, Aleema Khan Sahiba,

05:58presenting the statements in a twisted manner,

06:00the sense of urgency,

06:02regarding civil disobedience,

06:03Khan Sahib said that

06:04the leadership is not visible from outside.

06:06They are all saying that it is very bad.

06:08This is the right impression.

06:09This is the right report.

06:10Does Khan Sahib think so?

06:12He commented on the news that was published in the newspaper.

06:19I remember very well that he said that

06:24he does not trust the leadership.

06:27But this atmosphere,

06:29which I got from the news,

06:31he commented on it.

06:33He said that we have no option other than civil disobedience.

06:39There is a continuous crackdown on us.

06:42We are being crushed.

06:44In this crushing,

06:45you have crushed democracy, justice and media.

06:50Democracy in Pakistan is over.

06:52Such incidents are unforgettable.

06:56For the first time,

06:57political bullets were fired in Pakistan.

07:02You should remember that

07:03in 1977,

07:04Brigadier Niaz Kiani and others

07:06refused to fire bullets on their people.

07:09These bullets were fired.

07:10The bullets were denied.

07:12Two ministers took more lines.

07:14They said that firing has been done.

07:16Earlier, it was said that firing has not been done.

07:18These things give us a lot of trouble.

07:20Our people have been martyred.

07:22I am listening to Malik Sahib.

07:24We do not see the discussion going anywhere.

07:26The discussion is moving towards civil disobedience.

07:28Is this the right assessment?

07:30We have given our two-point agenda for the discussion.

07:33If the government has its own agenda,

07:36it will give a counter-agenda.

07:38What is the government doing?

07:39They are making fun of them.

07:41It is not possible that the PTI is also injured.

07:45You should not fire directly at them.

07:47There is a confusion.

07:48On one hand, it is said that

07:49we will talk about the conditions.

07:51Mr. Gauhar has said that

07:52we will talk about the non-conditions.

07:54There is a controlled chaos

07:56from different statements.

07:58There are conditions and non-conditions.

08:00They are based on conditions.

08:01They have moved away from the conditions.

08:02Will they talk without the conditions?

08:04Will they talk freely?

08:05Will they talk to the politicians?

08:07There are different voices in your party.

08:09There is no consensus.

08:11The voice that comes from within

08:13is that of Mr. Imran Khan.

08:15He has said that

08:16if they are empowered,

08:20then we will negotiate with them.

08:22They have to talk about this.

08:24If we have given a two-point agenda,

08:26then they have to give a counter-agenda.

08:28There cannot be a discussion without an agenda.

08:30We do not have to discuss

08:32how to make a consensus with them.

08:34We have to discuss with them.

08:36These are our problems.

08:38On 9th May and 26th November,

08:40you made an independent judicial commission.

08:42You are a denier of it.

08:43You give your evidence.

08:44We will give our evidence.

08:45The judge will listen to both of their opinions

08:47and give a decision.

08:48Secondly, the people who are incarcerated,

08:51you see,

08:52in one case of 9th May,

08:54a petition was presented in Piddi

08:56after a year and a half.

08:58In another case,

08:59a petition was presented after a year and a half.

09:01There is no seriousness in the prosecution.

09:03I want to conclude this debate quickly.

09:05The judicial commission's petition,

09:07will you make it?

09:08And the work of the government,

09:10the prosecution and the investigation,

09:11both have to be done.

09:12Absolutely right.

09:13I will definitely say that

09:15the jokes should be non-conditional.

09:17It should be all-encompassing.

09:19It should be on the wider end of the spectrum.

09:21It is not possible that

09:22a two-point agenda

09:23will be put on hold

09:24and then put a gun here.

09:25What is the harm in the judicial commission?

09:26No, it will be there.

09:27It will be part of it.

09:28It will be part of it.

09:29Because some of your ministers say

09:30that the bullets were not fired.

09:31Some ministers say that the bullets were fired.

09:32For your government,

09:33it is important that you decide

09:34whether the bullets were fired or not.

09:36Look, I am on record.

09:38I have said that the bullets were fired

09:40en route to Islamabad.

09:42And here, the bullets were fired

09:43from Ali Amin Gandapur's own guards.

09:45The bullets were fired.

09:46The source of that is different.

09:47But it should also be clear

09:49that the deaths of Ali Amin's guards

09:52due to the firing of the bullets

09:53should also be there.

09:54So tell your information minister

09:56that his statement is different.

09:58The government's statement is different.

09:59There is a lot of disconnect over there.

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