Pakistan's Current System... A Fascinating Discussion Between Mohsin Baig and Faisal Vawda

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00:00Mr. Baig, let's come back to terrorism.

00:02Please keep me on this topic.

00:04Let me answer his question.

00:06He has stated a thesis.

00:08Let's talk about terrorism later.

00:10The institution that he is talking about,

00:12under the parliamentary system,

00:14the constitution of 1973,

00:16or at least change it.

00:18This institution comes under

00:20those who are being called a funeral.

00:22And this institution is saved because of them.

00:24It is not like that.

00:26If you want to bring some other system,

00:28you have to break the constitution of 1973.

00:30The credit must go to them.

00:32But these are all institutions of Pakistan.

00:34For God's sake,

00:36if there is no democracy,

00:38then they should come and sit here

00:40and take all the credit.

00:42And when you take all the credit,

00:44then you also get discredited.

00:46It won't come to you or me.

00:48It won't come to Mr. Nusrat.

00:50This is wrong.

00:52I think we will go to Simmat.

00:54If something is left in this country,

00:56if the foundation of the institution is left,

00:58and this democracy,

01:00so-called, whatever,

01:02you call it,

01:04it is not like that.

01:06Let's call it an imperfect democracy.

01:08Whatever you call it.

01:10But you have to live under this system.

01:12This country is yours.

01:14It is ours.

01:16It is not just for the army to run it.

01:18We have to run it too.

01:20We live in it too.

01:22You have to give them credit.

01:24You have to bring a new institution.

01:26You have to give all the power to them.

01:28You have to stop all this.

01:30It can't go on like this.

01:32But Mr. Bhek,

01:34do I have to put Gogi's name,

01:36Sharif's name,

01:38Khan's name,

01:40so that we can't get out of the family?

01:42People can't come to Pakistan.

01:44You asked Mr. Rana Sanaullah

01:46that he doesn't know which party

01:48Mohsin Naqvi is from.

01:50You didn't ask him this question.

01:52I am doing this because he is my younger brother.

01:54I don't have a problem in asking questions.

01:56But this was your job.

01:58Mohsin Naqvi is not in this show.

02:00Let me ask him.

02:02Tell me, which party are you from?

02:04It is very simple.

02:06You voted for me in the People's Party.

02:08If I have a good relationship with

02:10the People's Party,

02:12then everyone voted for him.

02:14I am not against him.

02:16No, no.

02:18Shahji, quick comment.

02:20You talk in your own style.

02:22What do I do?

02:24I want Mr. Naqvi's phone

02:26not only for me,

02:28but also for you.

02:30If he is alone,

02:32I will get bored without you.

02:34The ground realities

02:36and structure

02:38are different.

02:40But if these things are like this,

02:42can these tenable five years

02:44go on like this?

02:46Like Mr. Rana Sanaullah said,

02:48the meeting on terrorism

02:50was a proof.

02:52Mr. Bajwa and Mr. Fais

02:54took the decision.

02:56It is a proof.

02:58If there is no proof,

03:00then how will it go on?

03:02Mr. Nusrat said that

03:04after issuing the production order,

03:06the chairman of the senate

03:08went on a protest.

03:10He is on an official tour.

03:12You can call it a vacation.

03:14It was a half-hearted protest.

03:16What is a better protest for me?

03:18I am on a position.

03:20I am doing everything.

03:22This is a separate debate.

03:24Do you want him to resign?

03:26No, I don't want anything.

03:28He worked so hard.

03:30He didn't want to resign.

03:32I have a good relationship with him.

03:34Don't spoil it for me.

03:36But Mr. Nusrat,

03:38the Pakistani government

03:40and the picture

03:42in the offices

03:44of Mr. Nusrat Javed

03:46is a huge part of Pakistan.

03:48You don't want Pakistan.

03:50Listen to me.

03:52I can't make fun of Mr. Nusrat Javed.

03:54He is my teacher and my elder.

03:56But I am telling you

03:58that if you want to talk

04:00to the Noon League representative,

04:02then you should

04:04appoint the current PTI.

04:06They are the supporters of the Noon League.

04:08The Noon League and PTI

04:10are a joint party.

04:12If your dead bodies

04:14gave you a tap,

04:16water,

04:18schools,

04:20colleges...

04:22You are saying that

04:24due to PTI's politics,

04:26the Noon League has become

04:28a compulsion of the system.

04:30You are putting words on me.

04:32I am asking you

04:34whether you should appoint

04:36the Noon League representative

04:38or the current PTI representative.

04:40Imran Khan's politics

04:42was exhausted.

04:44PTI has disowned him.

04:46Now I am asking you

04:48a question to Mr. Nusrat Javed

04:50that you were interested

04:52in democratic funerals.

04:54Now if a team player

04:56of Pakistan is giving you

04:58things in this democracy

05:00and Pakistan is going

05:02positively,

05:04whether it is on the level

05:06of the Americans,

05:08whether it is on the level

05:10of smuggling,

05:12whether it is on the level

05:14of current account deficit,

05:16whether it is on the level

05:18of dollar curtailment,

05:20whether it is on the level

05:22of bloodshed.

05:24If all these levels

05:26are given by this institution

05:28which has 85 percent

05:30left in this country

05:32and the other 85 percent

05:34have been corrupted

05:36then who is doing it?

05:38Someone's father is doing it.

05:40You say on Pekka's law

05:42that we don't know,

05:44we put a thumbprint.

05:46When we cornered your program

05:48then people came in front of you

05:50and said that we did it.

05:52Now you are saying that

05:54the Noon League is not doing

05:56its speech, Pakistan is not

05:58doing its speech.

06:00Punjab has arrested Ahmed Babi

06:02and PTI has arrested him

06:04If you want to talk to me seriously

06:06then it is a serious matter of Pakistan.

06:08You put your share.

06:10Now all this is going on.

06:12I have returned 60 billion

06:14to Pakistan in 72 hours.

06:16I didn't care

06:18if the drums kept playing.

06:20I put my share.

06:22You put your share.

06:24Whatever you want,

06:26it will take you at least

06:28100 to 150 years.

06:30It's been 75 years.

06:32Let me answer him.

06:34He has given a thesis.

06:36The institution

06:38which he is talking about

06:40should either change

06:42the constitution of the

06:44parliamentary system of 73.

06:46This institution belongs

06:48to those who are being cremated.

06:50And this institution is saved

06:52because of them.

06:54It's not like that.

06:56If you want to bring another

06:58system, you should tear

07:00all the credit.

07:02But these are all institutions

07:04of Pakistan.

07:06If there is no parliament,

07:08then they should come

07:10and take all the credit.

07:12And when you take all the credit,

07:14then you get discredited.

07:16It won't come to you or me.

07:18It won't come to Nusrat.

07:20This is wrong.

07:22I think we will agree.

07:24If something is left in this country,

07:26if the foundation of the institution

07:28is left, and you call it

07:30a so-called republic,

07:32it's not like that.

07:34Let's call it an imperfect republic.

07:36Whatever you call it,

07:38you have to live under this system.

07:40This country belongs to you.

07:42It belongs to all of us.

07:44The army doesn't have to run it.

07:46We have to run it.

07:48We live in it.

07:50We have to give credit to them.

07:52Or change the system.

07:54Bring a new constitution.

07:56This can't go on like this.

07:58But Mr. Bhekha,

08:00do I have to put Gogi's name

08:02and Sharif's name

08:04and Khan's name

08:06to get ahead in this system?

08:08We can't get out of the family.

08:10No one can come to Pakistan.

08:12You asked Mr. Rana Sanaullah

08:14about Mohsin Naqvi's party.

08:16You didn't ask him.

08:18You are doing it.

08:20I am doing it because he is my younger brother.

08:22I have no problem in asking questions.

08:24But this was your job.

08:26Mohsin Naqvi is not in this show.

08:28I am asking you.

08:30Tell me your party.

08:32It was very simple.

08:34People's party voted for me.

08:36People's party is good.

08:38Everyone voted for him.

08:40I am not against him.

08:42No, no.

08:44Sharif, quick comment.

08:46I have to take a break.

08:48Do you want to say something?

08:50Tell me if you want to say something.

08:52I don't want to say anything.

08:54Let's take a break.

08:56Stay with us.

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