" Pori Hukoomat Ap Ke Pas Lekin Ap Ki Awaz Is Shakhs Se Neechay Hai Jo Jail Mein Betha Howa Hai "

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00:00that we have to move forward on what Mr. Nihal is thinking.

00:03Where is PMLN's politics?

00:05Because politics does not stop. You have to do politics together.

00:08Governance in its place, politics in its place.

00:10The party has to be revived, the party has to be kept up.

00:13But even today, all the debates, Adyala Jail, he will come out, he will not come,

00:17yesterday the statement was made, this statement was really made,

00:19you took the back position.

00:20This is what's driving the news cycle.

00:23Why?

00:24I think there are two factors in this, Kashif, which are very important.

00:28The first thing is that Mr. Imran Khan's ability to be the center of the news,

00:35whether he is in the Prime Minister's office or in Adyala Jail,

00:39that ability is his biggest strength.

00:43I don't know, he plans by knowing that today I will give this statement,

00:46then I will do this.

00:48Anyway, whatever he does, it's working.

00:50And constantly, either there is news about him,

00:53or there is news against him, or there is news about him.

00:56This is the first thing.

00:57The second thing is that the government is so unsuccessful

01:02that they are not able to mend the news cycle in the government.

01:06So I think this is a very big failure of the government.

01:10First they say, look, the Prime Minister is in the office,

01:13the Prime Minister is sitting, the whole government is with him.

01:15In America, they use a term, bully pulpit,

01:17that the voice of the president is very loud.

01:20Here, the whole government is with you,

01:23and your voice is lower than the person who is in jail.

01:27This is a very big failure.

01:29But the bigger failure is that there is no acknowledgement of this failure.

01:33They don't seem to understand what the problem is.

01:36Why would they understand? Why should they understand?

01:38It's not them.

01:40No, you talked about politics.

01:42Politics is an issue.

01:43Elections, legitimacy.

01:45But this is simple media management.

01:48Sir, this issue was also there in 2018.

01:49Do you remember?

01:50Every political party was on the streets.

01:52We will not go to the assembly.

01:54They forced us to go to the party.

01:56What was the debate earlier?

01:57Four months, three months.

01:59The CM was wrong.

02:00The CM was appointed by Mr. Buzar.

02:01Corruption is happening in Punjab.

02:03This debate had already started in our National Assembly.

02:08The government is not able to run on these TV channels.

02:10These are the problems of the government.

02:11There are issues of governance.

02:13Although all the crises were there at that time,

02:16which you call a moral crisis,

02:18which you call a legitimacy crisis.

02:20The government was formed in the shadow of this crisis.

02:23Yet, today, neither the government,

02:25nor its morality, nor its wonders are being discussed.

02:28Because, probably, as you are saying,

02:31it's not just his ability.

02:32What else?

02:33I can't seem to put my finger on it.

02:35You were saying earlier, Kashif,

02:36that these are the issues of the government.

02:38This is what Mustafa Bhai was saying.

02:39These are all the issues of the population.

02:41Child mortality, whatever it is.

02:43These are genuine issues.

02:44We don't discuss it.

02:46There is an argument that

02:48if the media gets time, they should do it.

02:50They don't always get time from politics.

02:52But there is another angle.

02:54Look, issues are made.

02:56If there is an issue of governance,

02:58which the government feels should be

03:00at the center of the news cycle,

03:02then it is up to them to make that issue

03:04and ensure that we are talking about it today.

03:07They don't even do that.

03:08So, for us, talking to politics is a shortcut.

03:11It's easy.

03:12It's an easy way of doing journalism.

03:14The difficulty is that they do it,

03:16but the government's job is to understand

03:18that issues of governance come with difficulty,

03:20so they should be put in.

03:22They don't even do that.

03:23So, it's a failure.

03:24Failure on part of the government.

03:25Wait, what is Mian Saab thinking?

03:27What is Mian Saab thinking?

03:28Do you know?

03:29A leader of Pakistan's biggest political party,

03:32who used to think that I will just raise my hand

03:35and become the Prime Minister.

03:36These were the conditions in Pakistan,

03:38not long ago, 10-15 years ago.

03:40Today, a party like that has come and stood up.

03:43And we are discussing that Imran Khan is the headline,

03:47the front page of the newspaper.

03:49Mian Saab is not there.

03:51He is not in the debate.

03:52Why?

03:53Mian Saab has two things.

03:54One is Mian Saab's Jamaat,

03:55and the other is Mian Saab himself.

03:56He has completely receded himself.

03:58Is there a difference between the two?

03:59No, the difference is that

04:00his personal visibility has become zero.

04:02He has disappeared.

04:03Although, when he was becoming the President,

04:05it was being said that he will revive the Jamaat.

04:08Now, he will go to all the countries,

04:10he will hold rallies,

04:11he will mobilize the workers,

04:13and he will once again raise the flag of his Jamaat in Punjab.

04:17He has disappeared.

04:18Now, obviously, there can be many reasons for that.

04:21We hear all kinds of things.

04:23Maybe he wants his daughter to run.

04:27Some people say that maybe he doesn't want to come forward.

04:31Whatever the reason is, I don't know.

04:32Then what is the need to become the President?

04:34Now, see, this is a big question.

04:35Now, behind this,

04:36if you wanted to become the President…

04:38That was symbolic.

04:39That was symbolic.

04:40That was symbolic.

04:41Even then, I said that

04:42he was rectifying the injustice that had been done to him.

04:44That is all.

04:45But, in my opinion,

04:46if he had become the Prime Minister,

04:47then maybe there would have been vindication.

04:48After becoming the President,

04:49I don't know how much vindication there is.

04:50But, the difference is that politically…

04:53See,

04:54Mr. Mariam is the Chief Minister,

04:56Mr. Shahbaz is the Prime Minister,

04:58Mr. Nawaz Sharif has completely receded in the background.

05:02But, can Mr. Mian's dream be that

05:04both the governments are mine?

05:05What should I do as a politician?

05:06No, not mine.

05:07See,

05:08if nothing else,

05:09Mr. Mian knows politics.

05:10He knows what the ground reality is.

05:12The ground reality is not good for PMLN.

05:15Whoever says it,

05:16they will come on television

05:17and say big things.

05:19Clearly, they know there is a problem.

05:21But, what is the solution to that problem?

05:23How can you make your party an anti-establishment

05:26while being in two governments?

05:29Everywhere, it is said that

05:30if you give the slogan of giving respect to the vote,

05:32you will become popular.

05:33You can't do that.

05:34So, you are caught between the devil

05:36and the deep sea.

05:37Now, what should you do?

05:39Should you leave your position

05:41or should you leave your politics?

05:42That's why I said,

05:43when the daughter is the Chief Minister

05:45and the brother is the Prime Minister,

05:46what can they do?

05:47No, no, no.

05:48The way the government is made…

05:49The way Fahad summed it up,

05:50that the vote…

05:51See, in April 1993,

05:54he came on TV

05:55and said,

05:56I will take no dictation.

05:57The next day,

05:58he was fired by Ghulam Ishaq.

05:59Okay?

06:00That was historic.

06:01And for many people,

06:02including myself,

06:03from that time,

06:04when he started his democratic politics,

06:06he established himself that

06:08whatever time comes,

06:09he will stand on the right side.

06:11He will stand with the Pakistani flag.

06:13Now, for the first time,

06:15he is on the wrong side.

06:16Now, his entire mandate

06:18is in the hands of Imran Khan.

06:20If he gives that slogan,

06:22he will be the B-team of Imran Khan.

06:24He will be seen standing behind Imran Khan.

06:26Obviously, it's not possible for him to do that.

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