Muhammad Zubair Ka Noon League Chhorna. .. Asad Umar Kya Kehte Hain ?

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00:00 Problem is, I understand that it is not for everyone.

00:04 It is unfortunate that you and Mohammad Zubair,

00:09 two educated people who are known for their political skills,

00:13 but there is not much space in Pakistani politics for such people.

00:16 Is that true?

00:17 No, I am not like that.

00:18 Like I said earlier, I cannot complain that Imran Khan did not give me space.

00:21 I think he gave me a lot of space.

00:22 He was also made a translator, but when the opportunity came, he was thrown out.

00:25 I cannot comment on him.

00:27 He can only say that I do not have any such complaint.

00:30 I got space, I got everything.

00:32 In fact, I got more than what I did not want to do.

00:36 But your exit is very different.

00:38 Mr. Zubair's exit or leaving politics was due to a fight with the establishment.

00:44 You also left because of the fight, but you were against the fight,

00:47 when Mr. Zubair fought and left.

00:49 You must remember that statement, whatever happened to him.

00:52 I do not want to comment on that.

00:54 Mr. Khan is in jail.

00:57 The government is established.

00:59 The government of Form 47,

01:01 Mr. Tariq Anzab accuses a lot that it is not a mandated government.

01:08 Do you think it is?

01:10 No, I do not think so.

01:12 Ask me.

01:13 Do you want to ask anything else?

01:14 No, no.

01:15 Tell me more.

01:16 You said that Tariq Anzab says.

01:18 Tell me what happened from where.

01:20 I will tell you what happened from where.

01:22 Because in Mumbai.

01:24 Because my tweet is that Shabaz Sharif has been banned, but there is no legitimacy.

01:28 How many seats are there in your house?

01:30 I will not tell you the number.

01:31 I guess 30 to 40, 40 to 50, 15 to 20, 20 to 25.

01:34 I will tell you that I will sit at home and whistle.

01:37 You know I do not pull this kind of air.

01:39 But Shabaz Sharif is not a minister with legitimacy and credibility.

01:43 It is a mandatory seat.

01:44 So, he has so many seats.

01:46 No, no, he will not make a government.

01:48 Now, Tariq Anzab needs advice.

01:50 What is the advice?

01:51 Because this is a place where some people are saying that you should talk to politicians.

01:56 You will remember this.

01:58 Long before, when in April 2022, especially when there were elections in Punjab, you also did the negotiations.

02:07 You were part of that team.

02:09 What would be your advice?

02:11 Should it go on like this that I am just talking to the establishment?

02:14 Or should I leave Tariq Anzab and talk to him?

02:18 First of all, you should start from here.

02:20 This is your political insight.

02:22 No, no, I will give you political.

02:24 I will give you political.

02:26 I will tell you both my position in Tariq Anzab, public position and private position.

02:30 There is no difference.

02:32 I am just saying that you should clear the context first.

02:34 Pakistan is standing here today. This is a huge failure of Pakistan's leadership.

02:44 And no statement of the world can change this reality.

02:48 You go and see the life of the people of Pakistan.

02:51 The life of a common man, what we have done with him.

02:53 The world has moved forward.

02:55 After one, after the second, after the third, the fourth country has moved forward from Pakistan.

02:59 I can't go into technical detail, but it is a disaster.

03:04 You were ahead of India, ahead of Bangladesh in growth rate.

03:08 Where have you fallen?

03:10 Let me tell you that in the last 30 years, your economy has improved.

03:14 If it had remained the same as it was in the last 30 years,

03:17 then your, my and the entire income of 25 crore Pakistanis would have been doubled.

03:21 There has been so much destruction.

03:24 So, this destruction means that this system is not delivering.

03:28 Whatever we are trying to run in the last 35 years, it is not delivering.

03:34 It is a hybrid type.

03:35 There are different versions of hybrid.

03:37 From 1988 to 1999, the government is coming and going through 58 to be president.

03:44 After that, Mr. Musharraf became the chief executive.

03:48 After 2008, another hybrid came.

03:51 You were a hybrid in 2018.

03:53 None of that is working.

03:54 Let's assume that you were a hybrid in 2018.

03:58 Was it completely free and fair, which had no military involvement?

04:02 I think there was involvement.

04:03 In the 2018 elections?

04:04 I think there was involvement in the lead up to the events.

04:07 It was not the day of the election.

04:09 The drama you have seen now, there was nothing like that.

04:11 There were seats, sir.

04:13 If you go to Karachi, you will find out what happened.

04:16 The reality of the people of Karachi has been revealed.

04:18 The people of Karachi have found out whether the vote was real or not.

04:22 I have also heard these theories.

04:23 Anyway, leave that.

04:24 But I agree that the Seraiki province has become a big deal.

04:27 The MNAs who were leaving and coming, etc.

04:29 But this is controversial.

04:31 Sir, after the election, free people came.

04:33 This is controversial.

04:34 After that, Azad Umidwar came, etc.

04:37 All these small union parties were those parties that were close to the army, not close to us.

04:43 MQM was not friends with us.

04:44 BAP was not friends with us.

04:46 PMLQ was not friends with us.

04:48 So that was there, but this is still controversial.

04:50 The thing that Mr. Khan has said publicly, there is no doubt about it.

04:56 He is saying that we could not complete the budget vote.

04:59 So they used to complete it for us.

05:01 So hybrid in some form or the other.

05:04 The comparison of that which you make a mistake,

05:07 it happened in 2018, it happened in 2024,

05:09 so what is the difference between the earth and the sky?

05:11 What happened then and what happened now?

05:13 So keep that in mind.

05:14 I am just saying that if this system is not delivering,

05:18 then it needs to be changed.

05:20 How?

05:21 To change it, because I believe that Pakistan cannot be complete without democracy,

05:27 cannot succeed.

05:28 This country was formed on the basis of democracy.

05:31 This country was formed on the basis of referendum vote.

05:34 A politician, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the great leader,

05:37 made this country in leadership.

05:39 There are people who speak different languages in it.

05:41 There are people who live in different areas.

05:43 If you want to keep it organized, then the democracy is the only solution to this.

05:47 And if democracy is the solution to this,

05:50 then we need to provide solutions in political leadership.

05:52 The establishment has a very big role, the biggest role in this whole period.

05:56 And if we say that…

05:57 It doesn't have a political role.

05:59 No, no, it has a role.

06:00 It should not have.

06:01 It should be that it is being discussed.

06:03 It should not be at all, but it has been.

06:05 It has not only been, but it has been the biggest role.

06:07 So if you want to move away from this,

06:09 this is my personal opinion and I am not saying this now.

06:12 This is what I am saying, Secretary General of Pakistan,

06:14 Tariq-e-Insaf, now you were asking about Tariq-e-Insaf,

06:17 Secretary General of Pakistan, Tariq-e-Insaf,

06:19 the program with you and dozens of other programs,

06:22 you can see it for yourself, from April 2022 to the next 12 months,

06:26 I always used to say that politicians should talk to each other.

06:30 Without compromising principles, you are saying that Imran Khan,

06:34 and Shabaz Sharif, Nawaz Sharif, Zardari Sahib, Bilawal Sahib,

06:37 everyone should sit and decide that this country should be run.

06:40 What are the rules of the game in this country?

06:41 100% correct, if we do not do it.

06:44 And you will say to Tariq-e-Insaf,

06:46 this party is in trouble, why is he sympathetic?

06:49 It's not like that anymore, it was 11 and a half years ago,

06:51 so there is sympathy for him.

06:52 That is why he is saying, Muslim League Noon is there today,

06:55 and I have said this on your program too,

06:57 and I have said it again and again since April 2022,

06:59 Muslim League Noon is going to bury its politics.

07:02 They have already buried it.

07:04 Muslim League Noon is standing there where PMLQ was standing in 2005 and 2006.

07:10 It is in the government, it has been hollowed out from below.

07:14 So if you want to come back into politics,

07:18 then you will have to make compromises.

07:20 But that's where the Noon…

07:22 There are voices coming from Noon, talk to them.

07:24 Voices are coming, they will have to take the lead.

07:26 Only those voices can be heard, in the government.

07:28 But if they take the lead, yes.

07:29 Yesterday, Ali Amin Ghandapur's interview was held.

07:34 He is a member of the Mazaqarati Committee.

07:36 He said that he will not talk to them.

07:37 Okay, that is Ali Amin Ghandapur's decision.

07:39 The day Ali Amin Ghandapur is told by Khan Sahib that he wants to talk,

07:41 he will talk to them.

07:43 And it can be his personal opinion that he should not talk.

07:45 I think he should talk.

07:46 Have you ever told Khan Sahib that we should talk,

07:48 and he did not agree?

07:50 He refused every time?

07:51 Absolutely.

07:52 We had a difference of opinion on that,

07:54 and it is still there.

07:55 Look, my personal opinion is that our government,

07:59 which was in opposition for three and a half years,

08:01 you know that whenever a negotiation committee was formed with the government,

08:05 it had a member, like Jangeet Reen Shah, Ahmed Qureshi, R.A. Falvi, me,

08:09 and we were the only people, like Parvez Khattak,

08:11 who was in the negotiation committee after the protest.

08:14 In the same way, whenever the government had to sit with the opposition,

08:17 I was also in those committees.

08:19 My personal experience is that accountability is the only thing

08:23 on which we could not compromise.

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