Justice (retd) Shaiq Usmani's reaction to govt's decision to "ban" PTI
Justice (retd) Shaiq Usmani's reaction to govt's decision to "ban" PTI
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00:00Thank you very much, Justice Attorney Shahid Qusbani sahib.
00:03Please tell us, the government wants to impose restrictions on PTI.
00:07How much force do they have to use?
00:10And will this process be easy for the government?
00:16Look, regarding this, Article 17 of the Constitution has been raised,
00:22along with the Election Act of 2012.
00:26So, the things that have come to light so far,
00:30the things that the Minister, Mr. Zahir, has said in his press conference,
00:36one, he said that on 9th May, he was going against the rule,
00:43he said that he wrote a letter to the IMF,
00:47then he said that he passed a resolution,
00:51through his lobbying firm.
00:53From America?
00:54Yes, from America.
00:55So, all these things that he has said,
00:58it doesn't seem like the case of the government,
01:01that they are working against the sovereignty and integrity of the country.
01:06Certainly, they have done a wrong thing,
01:08and they have done a foolish thing,
01:14but to say that they are doing it against the country,
01:17is a little difficult.
01:19Because this is a very solid proof,
01:22because the final decision will be taken by the Supreme Court.
01:25And the decision of the Supreme Court will be final.
01:28Nothing more can happen.
01:30This is something to look at.
01:32Mr. Justice, there is one more thing,
01:34we were talking about this,
01:36that this is not a decision of restriction,
01:38this is a decision of analysis.
01:40So, please tell us, what is the difference between the two?
01:43That is, in this way, a political party is trying to erase its identity.
01:47If this happens, then?
01:49Yes, this is not analysis, this is dissolution.
01:52Article 17 talks about dissolution.
01:54Article 212 also talks about dissolution.
01:56There will be a declaration,
01:58within 15 days of that, it will have to go to the Supreme Court,
02:01and the Supreme Court will make the final decision.
02:03So, now, it is difficult for all this to happen.
02:05Our history, you see,
02:07all the efforts that have been made,
02:09to end the analysis of the parties,
02:13apart from this, I think,
02:17what do you call it,
02:19Labbaik,
02:20Labbaik,
02:21and the Shepherds Movement in Sindh,
02:25apart from that, no one else has done anything.
02:27That was also a matter of 4 months,
02:29that matter was reversed in 4 months.
02:31Tell us, Mr. Justice,
02:33that they are talking about other aspects as well.
02:35That is, a lot of things can happen,
02:37like the Cypher matter, they were saying,
02:39that we will revisit it.
02:41The Anua Funding matter,
02:43it is also mentioned in Article 17.
02:45You know, it has already been decided.
02:47The ruling of Mr. Qasim,
02:49all these things are already in front of the court.
02:51And the decisions of the court,
02:53will be based on that,
02:55what the court says.
02:57But to say that,
02:59it is a direct proof,
03:01I think it is difficult.
03:03This is a different matter.
03:05What if the secret services have something good,
03:07which has not been brought to the court yet.
03:09The ruling, Mr. Justice,
03:11on the basis of which,
03:13they are talking about putting Article 6,
03:15on the ex-president Arif Arvi,
03:17Bani PTI, Qasim Suri.
03:19Did the court give any clarity in this regard,
03:21which later became follow-up cases?
03:23See,
03:25they are talking about Article 6,
03:27I think this is not right,
03:29this is completely wrong.
03:31Because this matter,
03:33is relating to the No Confidence Motion.
03:35The matter of No Confidence Motion,
03:37was resolved in the Supreme Court.
03:39No Confidence Motion was done,
03:41voting was done, everything was done,
03:43election was done, everything was done.
03:45Now to revisit it,
03:47and say that they did this at that time,
03:49when the Supreme Court has already seen it,
03:51then surely if it goes to the Supreme Court,
03:53the Supreme Court will reject it.
03:55This is a close, fast and pure transaction.
03:59Mr. Justice, there is one more thing,
04:01this matter of distrust,
04:03two years have passed.
04:05Let's say,
04:07when these things are presented in the court,
04:09then are these other aspects,
04:11kept in mind?
04:13One is the timing of the incidents,
04:15their relation with a recent decision,
04:17when the Supreme Court,
04:19the full court,
04:21has already accepted that Tehreek-e-Insaf
04:23is a parliamentary party.
04:25I am just asking,
04:27because people of Pakistan want to know,
04:29what will happen in this?
04:31One government was there before,
04:33which matters a lot.
04:35Look, this is a different matter,
04:37that the Supreme Court,
04:39in this judgment,
04:41has accepted it as a political party.
04:43That is the current situation.
04:45But if the things they are saying,
04:47they will take it and present it.
04:49As I told you,
04:51it is possible that they have such things,
04:53which are not on the table yet,
04:55like the 9th of May incident.
04:57If they have any evidence,
04:59with which they can show,
05:01that the PTI has done it on purpose,
05:03that is a different matter.
05:05Obviously, the 9th of May incident,
05:07shook everyone up.
05:09Plus, the issue of unauthorized funding,
05:11can prove to be very dangerous,
05:13Mr. Justice.
05:15Yes, of course.
05:17It is written in Article 17.
05:19Article 17, subsection 3,
05:21it is written that,
05:23the party has to account for its funding.
05:25So, definitely,
05:27this can be a problem.
05:29But, the matter is already with the court.
05:33You said, the matter is already with the court.
05:35Let us see, how the government moves forward on this.
05:37Thank you so much.