Hamid Mir made big revelations regarding PPP and PML-N's political tactics

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00:00 People's Party's second and third tier leadership statements are always given.

00:06 Mr. Zardari gave a statement a while ago, in which he said that the election commission will decide and there should be a slight restriction.

00:13 Bilawal challenged him a little, people said that it is a good cop and bad cop.

00:16 That is a little bit of a stir and a very meaningful silence.

00:20 That is, there are issues of level playing field, there are many other issues.

00:23 Then there is no point in the People's Party's reference to the Bajbasta deal. Why is this meaningful silence in your view?

00:30 Look, there are many reasons for this meaningful silence.

00:36 I have been saying for the last five to six months that the People's Party was actually a People's Party mastermind.

00:44 The plan to remove Imran Khan, PMLN said that the assemblies should be removed.

00:51 The People's Party said that the assemblies should not be removed, but should be trusted in the movement.

00:55 After that, the People's Party agreed.

00:58 Asif Zardari presented a condition that if Shabaz Sharif is made the candidate for the ministry of foreign affairs,

01:04 then I will vote for MQM, BAP and other parties, PMLQ.

01:10 And he did it.

01:12 Then General Bajwa broke the agreement with Praveez Lahi and there was a setback.

01:17 But the mastermind was actually the People's Party, who had planned to remove Imran Khan through the movement of trust.

01:25 But later, when Imran Khan was removed and a coalition government was formed,

01:32 with the passage of time, the People's Party realized that he was not trusted in many matters.

01:39 And especially the differences between the People's Party and PMLN were created because of BAP.

01:46 Because initially, the People's Party was told that the BAP will be included in the People's Party,

01:53 along with the Chief Minister of Balochistan, Quddus Buzinjo.

01:57 After that, a U-turn was taken and BAP was told that they will not go to the People's Party, but to PMLN.

02:05 And Anwarullah Kakar started a meeting with the leadership of Muslim League Noon, instead of the People's Party.

02:13 This is where a rift started.

02:16 And after that, when the governance was established,

02:19 you know that the governance in Sindh is not according to the will of the People's Party.

02:23 The ministers of Sindh openly opposed the People's Party.

02:28 And now, two or three days ago, there was an incident in Sindh, in Skrand.

02:33 There, the way the villagers were killed and said that they were terrorists,

02:39 and later, the innocent villagers were found and the case of their murder was also registered.

02:45 So, in this situation, the People's Party, whose vote is more in Sindh,

02:52 how can it stand with the establishment?

02:55 And the People's Party has the experience that,

02:58 just like the PTI was used and thrown away like a tissue paper,

03:02 the People's Party was used many times in the same way.

03:05 Do you remember that a movement of trust was brought against the Chief Minister of Muslim League Noon in Balochistan,

03:12 and the People's Party was used and thrown away.

03:15 Now, the same thing is going to happen with Muslim League Noon.

03:18 Now, just keep watching.

03:19 The people of Muslim League Noon are leaving everything to Allah.

03:23 But what is going to happen with them, they will cry later,

03:27 that, "Oh, what has happened?"

03:29 Sir, this is the politics of Pakistan.

03:31 In the opening, you said that if you are so much interested in the People's Party,

03:35 then you should also be so much interested in your political opponents.

03:38 Sir, the issue is that the level playing field that the People's Party was asking for,

03:42 what kind of level?

03:43 I mean, we just saw in Sindh, in the Mayor election,

03:46 the political opponents there, did they get the level playing field?

03:50 Are they going to such a level playing field,

03:53 like they got in Sindh some time ago,

03:56 and now they don't get it?

03:58 Because, is the level playing field going for everyone,

04:01 or specifically for themselves,

04:03 is the level playing field going for themselves?

04:06 Look, there are two or three reasons for that.

04:08 One, do you remember that they made a new district in Karachi,

04:12 and did everything,

04:13 did the complete carve-out, did the complete Karachi-Gori carve-out.

04:16 So, they thought that their seats would also come in that.

04:18 They found out, and as soon as the people who met them, tell them,

04:22 that five seats, which they had kept in their accounts, in the PTI quarters,

04:26 that five seats extra would be given to the MPM.

04:30 That started a lot of heart-burning from there.

04:33 Then, we saw that in South Punjab,

04:38 the certain guarantees that they thought,

04:40 that they had taken for granted,

04:42 that we would be adjusted to an X number of seats,

04:45 and we would be given an extent from there.

04:47 They got their hands on that as well.

04:49 And, I don't know how to say it on air,

04:52 but very carefully I'll say it,

04:54 that I had reported on August 21,

04:58 that in Karachi, in Sindh,

05:00 a complete dragnet would be brought to the People's Party,

05:03 and a lot of people would have passed through.

05:04 Then, Chawla came, then we saw,

05:06 V.S. Salim, Banari, and all the personal secretaries,

05:11 former Sindh Chief Minister,

05:14 all of them, and their entire family came in between.

05:17 There were a lot of recoveries going on at the time,

05:21 not necessarily on the record,

05:22 but a lot of recoveries were going on at the time.

05:25 So, there are a lot of things,

05:27 including money,

05:28 some broken promises,

05:30 some broken hopes.

05:32 And, I think a time had come,

05:34 when the People's Party had started punching a little more than their weight.

05:39 It's called punching above their weight.

05:41 So, all of them, little by little,

05:43 started cutting everyone.

05:44 And, as Hamid was saying,

05:46 I agree with it partially,

05:48 that the Muslim League, which is understanding it now,

05:51 maybe there are more views in March,

05:54 but by then, the time of the scholars would have passed by.

05:57 Hmm.

05:58 You said something interesting,

06:00 that, about a year and a half ago,

06:02 the conversation was completely different.

06:04 At that time, we used to say,

06:06 that the People's Party is looting everything,

06:08 the entire Nazla is going to fall on PMI,

06:10 they have strict ministries,

06:12 they have to make all the tough decisions,

06:14 the People's Party has strict ministries,

06:16 they have the entire Sindh.

06:18 So, how well did Zardari negotiate the deal,

06:20 he is a very good politician.

06:22 Now, after a year and a half,

06:24 we feel that Nawaz Sharif has probably

06:26 settled the matter in a better way.

06:28 What is your assessment,

06:30 of the 18 months, plus the 4-6 months that have passed?

06:32 Look, in this,

06:34 Zardari sir,

06:36 he tried to get a good deal,

06:39 and till the time,

06:41 Bajwa sir was the Army Chief,

06:43 so, he first,

06:45 tried to put some security in that deal,

06:47 because you may remember,

06:49 that when the trust was presented in the movement,

06:51 in March,

06:53 so after that, for about 2 weeks,

06:55 Bajwa sir tried to get the trust back,

06:57 in some way.

06:59 In that, the Muslim League,

07:01 did not take much stand,

07:03 but Asif Zardari sir,

07:05 Maulana Fazlur Rehman, Akhtar Mengal,

07:07 Khalid Hussain, Maqsi,

07:09 these were the people who took a stand,

07:11 and Bajwa sir said,

07:13 that we will not take back the trust in the movement.

07:15 After that, Bajwa sir,

07:17 tried to deal with them,

07:19 but he could not,

07:21 then General Asif Munir sir,

07:23 became the Army Chief,

07:25 so, the problems of the People's Party,

07:27 started after General Asif Munir,

07:29 became the Army Chief.

07:31 You can see,

07:33 before that,

07:35 he did not have much of a problem.

07:37 So, Zardari sir is still trying,

07:39 and he got the impression,

07:41 that the People's Party is not happy.

07:43 So, he is trying to find a way,

07:45 but I think,

07:47 it will be difficult,

07:49 neither the People's Party,

07:51 will get anything in the coming time,

07:53 nor the Muslim League,

07:55 which is lost in beautiful dreams,

07:57 will not get much from those beautiful dreams.

07:59 to the people.

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