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00:00I'm here to support you, okay?
00:14The purpose of this is to support you in the process of facing up to what happened to you.
00:23It's about you telling me your experience and me bringing my knowledge and understanding of cults and spiritual abuse.
00:30So we're not debunking personal faith. That's not what this is about.
00:40This is about debunking the cult from a psychological perspective and how spirituality and faith actually were used to control.
01:00All of us need to understand the process of what we've been through in order not to repeat it.
01:07I've seen it happen with others who've left cults. They end up in a different cult.
01:13How's that, Sarah?
01:18How are you doing?
01:23It's hard.
01:24You must bring yourself to a new commitment and you shall know what it is to be on fire for your Lord.
01:47When the Jesus army marches to war, their message is high pressure and hard line.
01:59Join the army or be damned.
02:01You're the king.
02:02To the way we start to worship.
02:03To the way we start to worship.
02:04To the way we start to worship.
02:16I want you, I want you, I want you to be mine.
02:46Surrender the middle part of you, an awful power of sin lurks there.
03:00Now, we give our genitals to Jesus.
03:16Bugbrook is an unpretentious Northamptonshire village, but the very English picture painted
03:36by its local church and congregation has been challenged by a local group of unorthodox
03:42Christians.
03:46They're talking in different tongues now, that's a thing I never understood, because
03:57you can't speak another language unless you're taught it.
04:01Singing, singing at the top of the voices, that's not being neighbourly, is it?
04:06Clapping hands and stamping feet and in and out, in and out, you'd never think it was a
04:12place of worship.
04:13We've only got to look at them to see what type of people is encouraging here.
04:16They're not the village people, certainly.
04:21Back in the early 70s, I had heard there was, inverted commas, something going on at this
04:31place called Bugbrook, which was a little village near Northampton.
04:37Pastor of the chapel there had established a church that was very, very different.
04:44It was a completely new form of Christianity becoming visible, particularly in America at the time.
05:01There were people talking in tongues there, and apparently they felt that they could actually feel God inside of them.
05:27And I wanted to find out if this was true or not.
05:36When I first started, I mean, I just saw it as a radical church, you know.
05:47It seemed like a good idea, I suppose.
05:56I mean, in those days, it was still quite a stigma to be a single mum.
06:06I'd gone to some other churches and nobody had sort of spoken to me at all.
06:12But when I first went to the chapel, I'd got there a little bit late and they were already worshipping inside.
06:23As I entered, I don't know what it was, whether it was Jesus, but I just felt that this was where I was supposed to be.
06:34Come, my brothers and sisters in the Lord, the fullness of Jesus rightly belongs to us.
07:01He had given me the wine to make my heart rejoice and the hope to make my faith to the Lord.
07:10I'd heard a lot about this person, Noel Stanton.
07:18But everybody was in awe of him.
07:24You're our brother and sister in Jesus, you belong with us in the family of the Lord.
07:28And that old world, that old nature and all the world that was attaching to that old nature, now dies.
07:37Amen.
07:45Noel was conscripted into the Navy.
07:50It was there that he became a Christian.
07:55After that, he started running his own stationery business in Bedford.
08:03But he also, at the same time, became a lay pastor at Bugbrook.
08:11Noel, actually, for a long time before the community started, he was like a conventional Christian.
08:18But then, in the late 60s, he was visited by God, and he received the Holy Spirit.
08:28It was very powerful.
08:30It really profoundly affected him.
08:32Jesus, who said, your heavenly Father, will give the Holy Spirit for those who ask him.
08:42Will give?
08:43Oh, yes.
08:44I've proved it.
08:45I proved it four and a half years ago, when I said, Father, according to that word of Jesus,
08:52I ask you now to give me the Holy Spirit.
08:55When I encountered Noel for the first time, he claimed that he was a prophet speaking God's will.
09:09And he picked up his Bible and started slapping it.
09:17I'm fed up of this weak-kneed, lamby-pamby Christianity that's around us.
09:25Don't be so measly and feeble.
09:29And then he said, right, brethren, he said, shall we make the earth tremble?
09:35And everybody started to sing with full voice.
09:41It really did feel as if the very walls and ceiling were vibrating.
10:00It felt thunderous.
10:02And by the end of the chorus, I had my hand up in the air, along with everybody else.
10:19But, of course, I had no idea, really, that there was something extremely manipulative about all of this.
10:28Because, from now on, for all of us, it wasn't just a case of going to church.
10:37It was a case of belonging to church.
10:48So, one thing I'm just going to say, so important to really kind of use this C word.
10:57Call a cult a cult, okay?
11:02A cult exhibits great or excessive devotion to some person, idea or thing.
11:23Noel was, like, revered, weren't he?
11:25Yeah, yeah.
11:25So, he's the person.
11:27Noel Fdanton.
11:29Yeah.
11:29So, it's a great...
11:30And we were devoted to him.
11:32You were, yeah.
11:33In his message.
11:34Yeah, yeah.
11:36That was a big focus, wasn't it?
11:38That whole kind of...
11:38Discipleship.
11:39Yeah.
11:40Discipleship, yeah.
11:41I even had a photo of Noel under my bed for ages.
11:45So, here we start ticking boxes.
11:47Dangerous leaders make important decisions about converts' lives, money, dress, personal possessions.
11:55They cut themselves off either geographically or socially.
11:59They perceive there's only one way forward.
12:03All of that is weird.
12:05It's really weird.
12:06That was Noel.
12:07Yeah.
12:08He was exactly that, basically.
12:11Yeah.
12:15Yeah, it's fucking weird.
12:16The Lord has told us to move into a community, to divide our possessions.
12:29Living in separate houses, yes.
12:31But belonging to one another as a true family.
12:34Loving one another.
12:35Caring for one another.
12:36Sharing with one another.
12:38That's the way.
12:39It's blessed.
12:41It's powerful.
12:43It's working.
12:45It's beautiful.
12:54In an attempt to return to the lifestyle practiced by the early church,
12:59a small nucleus of people have given their homes and all personal wealth to the new community.
13:08The money given in by all the members has been used to buy properties where community members live together.
13:21Do you actually miss the privacy that having your own home would give you?
13:25Oh, no, not really.
13:27We find that we have any privacy that we need.
13:30When I moved in to New Creation Farm, there was this real hum of excitement.
13:38And almost immediately, everything seemed different.
13:52My mum, she was trying to live in a way that she thought was the way God wanted us to live our lives.
14:02And in a way, I get it.
14:08To begin with, Mags, she was full of beans.
14:16Little bundle of joy she was.
14:20This pretty farmhouse is home for about 20 community members.
14:25Parents, children, single people all live under the same roof.
14:29There was loads about Sheetfold I loved.
14:35As kids, it was an amazing place.
14:38There was just fields that we could all go and run and play in.
14:42And we used to go and pick Goosebreeze together.
14:44So it wasn't only bad stuff.
14:50There was really cool stuff as well.
14:54When you went into the community, you're giving up your earthly aspirations, really.
15:01You know, we would be living as the early Christians did.
15:07So you shared things and had everything in common.
15:10You just distributed them as people had need.
15:13It sounds totally innocent, doesn't it?
15:19To begin with, everything seemed wonderful.
15:24I just felt such a peace.
15:28And it obviously attracted quite a lot of young people.
15:33They all greeted me as Ro.
15:37Hi, bro.
15:38It's lovely to have you here.
15:40I feel the same place for you, bro.
15:43I'll be doing that one.
15:44Yes, you're right.
15:44Oh, praise the Lord.
15:45It's like, if you know you're going to live with someone for eternity,
15:50if you know that they're going to be loving you for eternity,
15:55then you might as well just start realising that now.
16:00To describe it as an idyllic, dreamy kind of atmosphere
16:06is absolutely spot on.
16:10It's almost like going on a trip.
16:14The whole vision and the whole idea
16:17was one that was very separate from the world.
16:21It was genuinely, 100% like a fairy tale.
16:24It was just beautiful.
16:35Mags and me and mum moved in when I was about eight.
16:40I was so excited to Sheepfold.
16:43It was like this huge house.
16:47Honestly, I just thought this was like being a princess in a castle.
16:51There were lots of other families moving in as well,
16:54so you've got kids to play with all the time.
16:56But the first thing that I remember really well,
17:01we'd moved all our stuff and I was like,
17:03oh, mum, where are all my toys?
17:06Because I'd got this, you know,
17:08I was quite obsessed with my dolls
17:11and my rather nice little doll's house that I had.
17:15And mum said, well, I've given all your toys away
17:22because we don't have toys in the community.
17:26They'd just gone.
17:27They hadn't, you know, there was no warning,
17:29no nothing.
17:30They'd just gone.
17:31I mean, for me, it wasn't anything weird
17:33because it was all I ever knew.
17:36But there was loads of it.
17:38It was really not whatever normal is.
17:40It's, like, far from normal.
17:53We moved in just before my eighth birthday.
17:59My parents wanted to be around other Christians
18:01where we can all grow up together
18:03in a morally conscious environment,
18:06and committing everything that we had
18:10as a family to the church.
18:15And you don't understand that as a child.
18:21We moved into the house
18:22next door by a couple of fields
18:25to where Noel lived.
18:28So we were very tightly overseen by Noel.
18:32Noel, you could feel his influence, actually.
18:37He didn't need to be there.
18:40He used to preach a lot about spiritual family.
18:44That was what was important,
18:45not the natural family,
18:46because the natural family,
18:48I suppose, were your link to your old self.
18:53And that was a big no-no.
18:54So you didn't have family time, really.
19:08You didn't just have time with your mum.
19:13It's a very extreme environment to grow up in.
19:18It was dangerous, actually,
19:20when you think about it.
19:24You know, as a child,
19:26it's stripping a person away from everything.
19:31You need the support.
19:33That's so true.
19:35Yeah?
19:35Yeah.
19:36My mum wasn't around.
19:39So it was cutting you off from family,
19:42and the family being the church,
19:44rather than being me, my mum, and my sister.
19:49Go on, Todd.
19:50You know, never used to like tea when I was little,
19:52but Jesus makes you less fussy, doesn't he?
19:54He does.
19:56The leadership of the community is all male.
19:59An elder lives in each community home,
20:01and all problems and decisions are shared with him.
20:05Elders are to be found in all our houses
20:08and our households.
20:10They are to be shepherds of the flock of Christ.
20:12They are the ministers of the flock of Christ.
20:14All right, in any situation,
20:23all right, living together in a house,
20:25you have got to have people who sort out things.
20:29I was initially made what's called
20:31a leading serving brother, LSB,
20:33which always amused me
20:35because of my electronics background.
20:36In electronics, LSB stands for least significant bit.
20:40So, all right, there's something of a need for humility
20:46and being called an LSB, sort of, it clicked with me.
21:00It's easy to see only the rules.
21:02But in the early days,
21:06Noel had very much a vision for being God's people.
21:17If Noel had had a particular topic
21:21that he was speaking about that week,
21:23everybody, every brother would be on that thing.
21:27No sugar.
21:28No-one's to have sugar.
21:29Sugar's the devil.
21:30And not being able to refrain
21:32from doing something's the devil.
21:34And you have to be able to control yourself.
21:36So, no sugar, anybody.
21:38One of the things we realised,
21:41we didn't want to have large amounts of bits and pieces
21:43and we didn't want to get distracted
21:45by things like television.
21:47So, we didn't have televisions
21:48and we didn't have radios.
21:50A packed lunch is worldly.
21:52Wearing fashionable clothes is worldly.
21:55A bag of crisps, how worldly.
21:57And worldly stuff wasn't to be included or invited in
22:03because that was inviting the devil in.
22:06Literally inviting the devil in.
22:09The battle is between Satan and God.
22:19Satan and Jesus.
22:21What do you mean?
22:23I mean, Satan is working in everybody.
22:25He's not...
22:25He's working in the world.
22:30And, I mean, you can tell.
22:33Just look at the state of the place.
22:34Every single night,
22:42sat in a room like this,
22:43somebody would be playing guitar,
22:45somebody else would be speaking in tongues,
22:48and there would be people who looked possessed.
22:52And I remember these brothers
22:55all coming and, like, laying hands on them.
23:00Everybody speaking in tongues really louder,
23:02and Noel yelling,
23:05The devil!
23:10Exorcisms were quite frequent.
23:13Noel was one of these people
23:14who would quite easily sort of point out
23:16a demon in somebody.
23:19People would throw up.
23:20Some people would convulse on the floor.
23:23You don't know what it is.
23:25And you're trying to rationalise it as a child.
23:28One day,
23:40I was drawing
23:42stick people with willies and boobs.
23:45I've no idea why.
23:47It's just something you do as a child sometimes.
23:49And it was deemed that I had an unclean spirit.
23:55And...
23:56How old were you?
23:57Seven.
23:58I can remember it clearly.
24:08The elder of our household,
24:11he used to put his hand...
24:13My head used to fit perfectly into his hand,
24:16and he just used to sort of push down on it
24:19so I couldn't move.
24:22It was really frightening.
24:28I don't actually want to talk about that too much.
24:40What is an introject?
24:42An introject is a belief or behaviour
24:46which you've taken into yourself
24:49that remains sitting in your psychological system
24:53like a lump of untewed and undigested food in your gut.
25:00My thing that stuck with me is I'm possessed.
25:03You know, that I've got a demonic spirit in me.
25:06I'm the devil that's taking everybody's eye off what they should be concentrating on
25:11and, you know, that needs to be taken out of me.
25:16How dare they tell a little girl that she's possessed?
25:22How dare they tell any of you?
25:25That introject is still stuck in your stomach, undigested,
25:29poisoning you.
25:31And I think we need to go,
25:33I haven't got a demon.
25:35They were controlling me.
25:36They were abusing me by telling me these things.
25:48For many people,
25:51the control and living in conformity with the rules
25:55was incredibly difficult.
25:58I shared a room at the farm with a guy called Steve
26:04who would stay up till the early hours of the morning reading.
26:10Reading was considered to be a bit of a heady, individualistic pursuit
26:16and I heard him arguing with Noel on a couple of occasions.
26:22I heard raised voices
26:25and I came out of my room to see what was going on
26:29and Noel was stood by his bedroom door
26:32calling for Steve to come back.
26:35But Steve just put his hand up dismissively in the air
26:39and marched off.
26:43But it is indicative in this case
26:47of somebody who was unhappy.
26:50I know that because he told me about it.
26:55And it proved to be Steve's last night with us, actually.
27:07Somebody rang and told me
27:09that his body had been found on the railway track
27:13and that he was knocked over by a train.
27:17So I immediately asked if...
27:21I said, oh, has he committed suicide?
27:25And I was told I shouldn't be thinking such thoughts
27:31because, of course, he hadn't committed suicide.
27:35It had just been a terrible accident.
27:37This was the public statement, if you like, from the community.
27:44Although the coroner now says that there is no evidence
27:52to support criticism of the sect,
27:55his concern was based on the fact
27:56that in addition to Stephen's gruesome death,
27:59there was an unusual coincidence
28:01of another death in unusual circumstances 18 months ago.
28:05In this case, another member of the sect
28:06was found lying naked in the garden in December
28:10and he died from exposure.
28:16Well, it was cut-reaching.
28:20The initial thought was,
28:21it's gone some of my praying
28:22and nothing to worry about.
28:26I don't think anybody knows what happened
28:28or why it happened.
28:29The circumstances of both deaths are just a mystery
28:36which raises questions, really.
28:42The new creation Christian community
28:44has aroused its fair share of criticism.
28:47There's a natural suspicion of any such highly committed
28:50and insular group of people
28:51who claim to have found the true way to God.
28:54Such ecstasy must surely have a flaw.
28:57Very, very gradually through the years,
29:01he has increased his evangelism
29:03until it became aggressive.
29:06And that's when I skipped out.
29:08I know what goes on.
29:09Community members have bought an old hotel
29:28and some of the county's more elegant homes.
29:32The community uses the skills of its members
29:34in several businesses.
29:35A company called Scano
29:37does all the building work on community properties.
29:40There's a chain of health food shops
29:42called the House of Goodness Limited.
29:46We were growing really fast at that point.
29:50Various articles were made about us
29:51because we were something unusual.
29:56But, of course, the fear of the unknown,
29:58I think, is very, very real.
30:00I see a cult.
30:03I know they're saying all the time
30:05that they're not a cult.
30:07But I do see a cult, an enclosed cult,
30:09which exists for itself.
30:12I mean, there are people who want to dub us a cult.
30:15But we are very orthodox.
30:19We're a church.
30:20We're a genuine Christian church.
30:22As the Evangelical Alliance have said,
30:24we are a genuine Christian church.
30:28Yes, Noel was a very dominating character.
30:33However, I'm against Jesus' fellowship
30:35being called a cult.
30:37After all, it sprang out of the Baptist church.
30:40And the Baptist church nationally has got a structure.
30:45We are people of historic Christianity.
30:48We recognise, and churches in general recognise,
30:52that we belong to the Church of Christ
30:55throughout the world.
30:57And therefore, of course,
30:58we completely deny any suggestion
31:00that we are a cult in the way
31:02the word is now accepted.
31:05Our good does get evil spoken of.
31:07There are false allegations and the like.
31:10But we believe our testimony will win through.
31:20Oh, God, I have so many, many sins.
31:25But listen, if we confess our sins.
31:30God, here are my many, many, many sins.
31:33But, God, I don't want the things of the world anymore.
31:37You must bring yourself to a new commitment to Jesus.
31:44You must be 100% His.
31:47At that point, the thing that developed very interestingly
32:01was that...
32:03..selibacy became more and more
32:10something which Noel encouraged.
32:14He said that in the world in general,
32:18there was far too much intimacy.
32:24Surrender the middle part of you.
32:29Many of us here
32:31will have to accept
32:35that an awful power of sin
32:38lurked there.
32:41But now,
32:44we give
32:45our genitals
32:47to Jesus.
32:48When I became celibate,
32:56I was one of the earlier people
32:58to commit to that.
33:01And it was just presented as an option.
33:04And then it grew into something else.
33:08It did become the foundation
33:11for Noel,
33:12in a way.
33:13And so,
33:15it was a kind of a tick box
33:17for brothers
33:18to get elevated up the ranks.
33:23In my case,
33:24I was 24.
33:26I had this experience
33:27with a girl
33:29I was going out with
33:30before I joined the church.
33:33It wasn't
33:34a great relationship,
33:37really.
33:37So,
33:40you know,
33:40I wasn't an experienced exponent
33:43of,
33:44you know.
33:48I was probably
33:49in my early 20s.
33:53In fact,
33:54I'm a peculiarity
33:56having basically
33:57joined the community
34:00when I was 18
34:00and been so introverted
34:02before I was 18,
34:04I've never had a girlfriend.
34:05So here I am,
34:0765 years old
34:08and I've never had a girlfriend.
34:10Right?
34:12You know,
34:13which in many ways
34:14must make me
34:15a bit, bit unique,
34:16but that is me.
34:18And I am
34:20what God has made me
34:21in that sense.
34:24And, of course,
34:26Noel himself
34:26was a single celibate.
34:28celibacy was
34:34for life,
34:36but it wasn't
34:37just a case
34:38of holiness.
34:40It went beyond
34:42that.
34:43It was
34:44far more
34:46to do with
34:49the control
34:51of people.
34:52And, in fact,
34:55from now on,
34:57relationships
34:58between brothers
34:59and sisters
34:59would be something
35:00that was entirely
35:01monitored
35:02and regulated.
35:03It got to the point
35:20where
35:21within the household
35:22men would sleep
35:23down one end
35:23of the house,
35:24women would sleep
35:24at the other end.
35:26And generally,
35:27men and women
35:29didn't fraternise.
35:30It's almost like
35:31there was a
35:31complete vacuum
35:32there with regards
35:34to anything
35:35of a sexual nature.
35:39And I think
35:40that was a projection
35:41from Noel,
35:42actually.
35:43In a sexual sense,
35:45he was an incredibly
35:47mixed up,
35:50insecure person.
35:53I myself
35:54encountered Noel
35:56either in his
35:59underclothes
36:00or just wearing
36:02a bath towel
36:03and having
36:05younger brothers
36:07sat next to him
36:08on the bed,
36:11which I thought
36:13was...
36:15It unsettled me.
36:21Looking back,
36:22I can say
36:23he was struggling,
36:26I think,
36:27with his sexuality.
36:30and perhaps,
36:33you know,
36:34he was fighting
36:35against those
36:36tendencies.
36:38How that came out
36:39at the time,
36:41it was obvious.
36:44Anger.
36:45I remember he used
36:59to work himself up
37:00into these
37:01massive rants
37:03where he used to,
37:04like,
37:05rage at everybody.
37:08More and more,
37:09Noel absolutely
37:10hit the roof.
37:12it used to get so irate
37:15and for some reason
37:18it was often
37:20young people.
37:25I just remember
37:26every single night
37:28Noel ranting,
37:31sweating, ranting
37:32and telling you
37:33about hell's fire
37:34and if you allow
37:36the children
37:38to be swept away.
37:40Sometimes he'd shout
37:41so hard
37:42that the veins
37:43on his neck
37:43would just
37:44stand out.
37:45It was horrific.
37:47You know,
37:47he just hated us.
37:49And as time
37:55went past,
37:57the way in which
37:59children
37:59in the community
38:01were treated
38:02became
38:03more and more
38:05extreme.
38:07in all of the
38:15households,
38:17birch sticks
38:18were kept hidden.
38:21But we,
38:22we all knew
38:23where they were.
38:28It was preached
38:30that you spare the rod
38:31and spoil the child.
38:35I do remember
38:36a lot of roddings.
38:38Maybe not as many
38:39as Max.
38:40You know,
38:40my sister,
38:41she was rotted
38:42from the age of two.
38:45How often
38:46were you disciplined?
38:47Do you remember?
38:51I reckon every day.
38:54Or almost every day.
38:59All of the children
39:00were rotted.
39:02You would get disciplined
39:04because somebody,
39:05a brother,
39:06there,
39:08has decided
39:09that something
39:10you've just done
39:10was defiant.
39:11That's what I remember
39:12hearing a lot,
39:13that I was being defiant.
39:17One particular occasion,
39:19we're in the bedroom
39:20and
39:22mum was,
39:25mum was disciplining Mags.
39:27She was about two
39:28and she was whacking her
39:30with a stick
39:30and Magsy
39:32was just screaming
39:33and screaming
39:33and screaming
39:34and I just,
39:35so I buried myself
39:37under the covers,
39:38covered my ears
39:39and ruffled my feet
39:41to make noise
39:42with the bedsheets
39:44to try and block out
39:45the sound
39:46of this
39:47screaming baby.
39:49I mean,
39:56it wasn't,
39:57I don't know,
39:59it's difficult
40:00really.
40:02I mean,
40:02when you've got
40:02everybody together,
40:04you know,
40:05and everyone's looking,
40:06you know,
40:07it's difficult
40:09because I was a single mum
40:12and had no husband.
40:14everybody,
40:17all the brothers
40:18thought it was
40:18their place
40:19to point out
40:21to me
40:21what they thought
40:22my child
40:23should or shouldn't
40:25be doing.
40:25I mean,
40:26the elders
40:27would take decisions
40:28for my children,
40:29you know,
40:30and I found
40:31that really difficult.
40:35How do you feel
40:36sort of overall
40:37it's affected
40:38your relationship
40:39with your mum?
40:40I haven't really
40:46ever spoken to her
40:47about
40:47how
40:49how it
40:50made me feel.
40:54It's like
40:54the elephant
40:55in the room
40:56that you never talk about,
40:57you just sort of
40:58politely skirt around,
41:00but
41:00you kind of
41:02feel like
41:03you wanted
41:04to be more protected.
41:10I've never been
41:13in any doubt
41:14that
41:14my mum
41:15really loves me
41:16and she's
41:17a good person
41:18and she
41:19of course
41:20she was doing it
41:21because she thought
41:21it was the right thing
41:22to do.
41:23But the bit
41:23that gives me
41:24rage
41:25is the bit
41:26that's like
41:26that was
41:27your choice.
41:28I didn't choose
41:29any of this shit.
41:31Children
41:31were
41:32anybody's.
41:34Sorry,
41:34they were
41:35anybody's.
41:35We were
41:36open to
41:37whoever
41:37and that
41:38as horrible
41:39as a pill
41:40that is
41:40for our
41:41parents
41:41to swallow.
41:42That's the
41:43facts.
41:45It's tricky.
41:48But the
41:48key
41:49to successful
41:50brainwashing
41:51is to keep
41:52the subject
41:53unaware
41:53that they're
41:54being manipulated
41:55and controlled.
41:57I've used
41:58the analogy
41:58of the frog
41:59in boiling water.
42:01You know,
42:02a frog
42:03if you heat it up
42:04it's horrible
42:04but if you heat
42:05it up slowly
42:06it doesn't know
42:08it's being
42:08heated up
42:09and boiled
42:10alive.
42:11And I think
42:12there is an
42:12element of that
42:13happening.
42:15So,
42:16to your parents
42:17the punishment
42:18is justified
42:19as being
42:19necessary
42:20to cleanse
42:21this so-called
42:22sin.
42:23The doctrine
42:24is more
42:24important
42:25than the
42:25individual's
42:26well-being.
42:26thing.
42:32What
42:33Noel Stanton
42:33seems to
42:34have created
42:34is a state
42:35within a state.
42:37An apparently
42:37benevolent
42:38totalitarian
42:39system
42:39where the
42:40interests
42:40of the
42:41individual
42:41are subjugated
42:42to the
42:42interests
42:42of the
42:43majority.
42:43All their
42:56businesses
42:57have grown
42:57out of
42:57their
42:57community
42:58needs.
42:59There's a
42:59builder's
43:00merchants
43:00and a
43:01plumbing
43:01and
43:01decorating
43:01business
43:02which
43:02service
43:02their
43:03houses.
43:06There's a
43:07firm of
43:07solicitors
43:07and a
43:08doctor's
43:08surgery
43:09of five
43:09GPs.
43:14In their
43:14heyday,
43:15those
43:15businesses
43:16were
43:16regularly
43:17turning
43:17in profits
43:18and so
43:20that was
43:20giving us
43:21a very,
43:22very good
43:22financial
43:23base
43:24on which
43:24to work.
43:27I pray
43:28for sales
43:29and I get
43:29my prayers
43:30answered.
43:32And so
43:33do the
43:33rest of
43:33the staff.
43:36I believe
43:36God loves
43:37this and I
43:37believe he
43:38wants to
43:38help us.
43:39In the
43:5380s,
43:54there was
43:55a big
43:55expansion.
43:59And I
44:00think the
44:00power,
44:01if you
44:01have power,
44:03there's that
44:03saying,
44:04isn't there,
44:04you know,
44:05all power
44:05corrupts.
44:06I think it
44:06does.
44:07I'm a
44:07Christian
44:08with power.
44:11And I
44:11think as
44:11time went
44:12by,
44:14there were
44:16more and
44:16more controls
44:17with Noel.
44:21It was the
44:22natural
44:22progression of
44:23his personality,
44:24which was
44:25sort of like
44:27controlling,
44:28bullying maybe.
44:29And so in
44:30that name was
44:31above every
44:31other name,
44:33the name of
44:33Jesus Christ
44:34who is
44:35Lord.
44:36Now we
44:37baptize him,
44:38Jesus
44:38Lord!
44:39Jesus!
44:50Tonight, we
44:51talk to members
44:52of Britain's
44:53foremost religious
44:54sect.
44:54Are they here to
44:55give salvation,
44:56or has that
44:56operation an
44:57altogether more
44:58sinister feel?
44:59John Everett,
45:00you were involved
45:01for five years,
45:03and then you
45:03left and suffered
45:04a nervous
45:05breakdown,
45:06didn't you?
45:07I left the
45:09community because
45:10I had grown
45:11to believe
45:12that they were
45:14exhibiting
45:15characteristics which
45:16I began to
45:17associate with
45:18cultishness.
45:19there were
45:29several key
45:30factors involved
45:31with my
45:33decision to
45:34leave.
45:36There was
45:37the whole
45:38business of
45:39having one
45:40man at the
45:41helm with so
45:42much authority.
45:44of course,
45:48the way in
45:49which children
45:49in the
45:50community were
45:51treated.
45:53And as time
45:54passed, I
45:56became really
45:57angry.
45:59And at that
46:00point, I
46:01thought, I
46:04need, for the
46:06sake of people
46:06who might be
46:07drawn in, I
46:09need to make
46:09known what I
46:11know about
46:12the community.
46:14So in the
46:18first instance, I
46:19wrote quite a
46:20long manuscript.
46:23It was
46:24actually picked
46:24up by the
46:25Baptist Union
46:26and the
46:27Evangelical
46:27Alliance.
46:30And I had
46:31meetings with
46:32them.
46:33I think
46:34there's a
46:34real issue
46:35about the
46:36way the
46:37church was
46:37being
46:38administered.
46:39There was
46:39an unhealthy
46:40emphasis on
46:41celibacy.
46:43There was
46:43concern that
46:45children may
46:46be being put
46:46in a more
46:47pressured
46:47situation than
46:48was helpful
46:49and that an
46:50excessive
46:50discipline might
46:51be being
46:51used.
46:52when people
47:06spoke to the
47:07press, yeah, I
47:10mean, it was
47:11relatively full
47:14on.
47:14the Judas
47:21word would get
47:22mentioned quite
47:24a bit.
47:27And so I
47:28was the
47:29first formal
47:31excommunicant of
47:33the community.
47:36Nobody was
47:36allowed to talk
47:37to me or have
47:38anything to do
47:39with me because
47:40I'd become the
47:42enemy.
47:42All right, yes,
47:50to be able to
47:51say we're part of
47:52the evangelical
47:52alliance was
47:53helpful.
47:54We did want to
47:55maintain what
47:57connections we
47:57could with other
47:58Christian
47:58organisations.
48:02But, you know,
48:05internally I think
48:06our desire was far
48:07more to be
48:08acknowledged by
48:08God than to be
48:09acknowledged by
48:09human organisations.
48:10Do not trust in
48:14the weakness of
48:15man.
48:17We're in a fight
48:18persecuting.
48:21Will you take
48:22Jesus into the
48:24kind of church
48:26that he desires?
48:29Will you dare
48:30you?
48:32And so a Jesus
48:33army was formed.
48:34blow the trumpet.
48:38Move on.
48:40Advance.
48:43Join the fight.
48:45When the Jesus
48:46army marches to
48:47war, their battle
48:48is for hearts and
48:49minds and their
48:50message is high
48:51pressure and hard
48:52line.
48:54Join the army or be
48:55damned.
48:55We're looking for a
49:04new Britain.
49:05New Britain morally.
49:07You see, we live in
49:08a nation where there's
49:09all sorts of sexual
49:10permissive problems and
49:11the like.
49:12Every kind of moral
49:13problem.
49:14When Jesus' army came
49:16in, there was this
49:19element of kind of,
49:21how do you say this in
49:22a nice way, up yours to
49:24the establishment?
49:25Just let the spirit
49:27fall upon you.
49:32In the name of Jesus,
49:34in the name of
49:35Jesus, we find you in
49:38the powerful blood of
49:39the land.
49:51Let's be
49:52revolutionists.
49:52We've got to promote
49:54the Christian gospel in
49:55a fairly militant form
49:56today.
49:57After all, evil's on
49:58the march.
50:00Today, the debate
50:01surrounding one of the
50:02most active new
50:03religious groups, the
50:03Jesus army.
50:04To some, they're a
50:05dangerous cult.
50:07To others, they're a
50:08radical movement which
50:09changes lives.
50:12This Jesus army is
50:13something that, well,
50:14frankly, it disgusts me.
50:17These Rambo jackets.
50:20The uniform they have
50:22chosen is the uniform of
50:23force.
50:25Jesus' army was, in one
50:27sense, deliberately
50:28promoted as being up
50:31front in your face.
50:33But one of the aspects, I
50:35think, of the Jesus' army
50:36manifesto was to go where
50:38others don't go.
50:40Reaching those right on the
50:42outskirts of society,
50:44whether it be drug
50:44addicts or those
50:47homeless, you know,
50:49reaching out into
50:50various of the gay
50:52situations and things
50:54like that at times as
50:55well.
50:56Barbara, I just pray that
51:09you will work powerfully to
51:10show them that there is
51:13sin within them, Lord.
51:15Cause them to come to
51:16this bus, Lord Jesus.
51:18Cause them to find out
51:19what's going on inside
51:20them right now, Lord.
51:21Cause them to find out why
51:22they're so uncomfortable,
51:24Lord Jesus.
51:26I was probably about 13 or
51:3314 the first time I was
51:35told to go evangelizing.
51:38I felt a lot of pressure
51:39actually.
51:41It was drummed into us that
51:42this was the only way to
51:44gain redemption, to go to
51:46heaven.
51:48And sometimes it could be
51:51quite scary because you get
51:52people who were off their
51:53heads.
51:55It really was the line
51:56men's den, particularly for
51:58children.
51:59It's great to be able to have
52:18the resources to be able to do
52:20something that actually changed
52:21people, that actually helped
52:22to people directly.
52:23I don't think there was any kind
52:34of randomness in it.
52:35I think with Noel, everything
52:37was a tool that was used for a
52:42purpose.
52:58It's been a good night's work.
53:01Three people are traveling back to
53:02the farm for the weekend.
53:03Steve from London, picked him up last
53:15night from Leicester Square.
53:16We don't know much about his
53:17background.
53:18Anyway, bless you, Steve.
53:20Good to see you.
53:20Are you glad to be here?
53:21Yep, sure am.
53:23We haven't got too many rules here.
53:24We just want to be like Jesus and
53:34move in peace and love.
53:38We believe in Jesus Christ, the
53:43Savior of us.
53:44I think by then, Noel had realized
53:48that we needed to kind of make
53:50ourselves some sort of charity or
53:52organization to help support people.
53:55So then people say, well, look at all
53:58the good that he did.
54:01You can't weigh it up like that.
54:04A lot of good does not outweigh a
54:06whole load of bad.
54:14You can't weigh it up like that.
54:44You strength and your grace and your
54:50healing power.
54:51Duvasa, Kairila, Duvasa, Kairila.
54:59My best friend, she had a really
55:01hard time at this new community
55:03house, battle center.
55:07She was very unhappy.
55:09I remember her saying how depressed
55:12she was, how she hated her life.
55:14How difficult it was.
55:18I used to go visit sometimes.
55:23This elder, he didn't seem to mind
55:26that I was there.
55:29He would use me as a lookout so that I
55:32could warn him if anybody in the
55:34community house was coming into the
55:36room or passing by.
55:37He took her down into the cellar and he
55:44would touch her, try and hug her.
55:46And I mean, I didn't actually try and
55:49watch because I was supposed to be the
55:51lookout, but you can't help yourself but
55:53watch.
55:54We were 12 and 13 at the time.
56:04One day, my dad approached me and told me
56:07that my best friend had tried to commit
56:11suicide.
56:12I felt ashamed of what he'd done to her.
56:21I felt ashamed that I hadn't told anybody
56:22already.
56:23So the next day, my dad arranged for me to tell the
56:30elder of our household.
56:34They would report back to Noel.
56:40Noel was just adamant I was a traitor and I was in
56:43collaboration with my best friend.
56:46The dark voices, what have they said, what
56:57damage have they done, what lies have they
57:02told, what gossip has come from them.
57:16The brothers, they still didn't believe me.
57:25Men come and stand right at the front of the
57:27stage and just stand there and pray against
57:29me and curse me.
57:33I was an abomination, basically.
57:40We're Jesus' revolutionaries.
57:43Now part of this Jesus' revolution is showing
57:45everyone that the Christian faith, the living
57:48Christian faith, is a faith of real joy.
57:53You simply have to surrender and receive.
58:00Well, of course, she was not the only one.
58:04What happened next was horrifying.
58:08I later found out, actually, most of my peers
58:11had been abused.
58:15These people, they thought they were above the
58:17law.
58:18These people, they thought they were above the law.
58:18They thought they were above the law.
58:19They thought they were above the law.
58:20They thought they were above the law.
58:21They thought they were above the law.
58:22They thought they were above the law.
58:23They thought they were above the law.
58:24They thought they were above the law.
58:25They thought they were above the law.
58:26They thought they were above the law.
58:27They thought they were above the law.
58:28They thought they were above the law.
58:29They thought they were above the law.
58:30They thought they were above the law.
58:31They thought they were above the law.
58:32They thought they were above the law.
58:33They thought they were above the law.
58:34They thought they were above the law.
58:35They thought they were above the law.
58:36They thought they were above the law.
58:37They thought they were above the law.
58:38They thought they were above the law.
58:39They thought they were above the law.