Jesse Michels Drops Wildest Interview He's Ever Done

Name: Jesse Michels Drops Wildest Interview He&#x27;s Ever Done
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Patrick discusses Jesse Michels wildest interview he's ever done featuring Jay Anderson from Project Unity and Comedian Kurt Metzger.

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00:00What's up, Betters? Patrick here with Vetted. I have a doozy of a video for y'all today.

00:06Jay Anderson from Project Unity recently went on Jesse Michaels' podcast to talk UFOs and many other things.

00:14And they were also joined by comedian Kurt Metzger, who made things, let's just say, interesting.

00:21Well, that's another thing is the influence of Scientology in the UFO community, because there's a big presence.

00:26Yeah, that's a CIA cutout, right? Exactly.

00:28How big do you think it is?

00:29Scientology is the sky cutout.

00:30How big do I think it is?

00:31Yeah, how big do you think it is?

00:32Well, I mean, like, you know, they infiltrated the CIA and a few different agencies.

00:36They infiltrated the IRS.

00:37Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:39Multi-agency infiltration.

00:41Kurt, shut up.

00:41Multi-agency infiltration.

00:43No, it's cool, bro.

00:45It is.

00:47Jesse telling him to just shut up.

00:49It's like, that was a lot of the interview, to be honest with you.

00:52At times, it made it actually pretty hard to listen to.

00:55And let me just state, I'm a huge fan of Kurt Metzger's comedy.

01:00And in fact, I love his outfit that he showed up with.

01:02He looks like he got Freaky Friday'd with a six-year-old boy.

01:07You look so ridiculous.

01:10Listen, if you wanted to stigmatize all the shit.

01:13Kurt Metzger, everybody.

01:14No, I want to make it clear.

01:15Listen, I'll make it clear.

01:16I'm not a journalist.

01:17I'm not in the space.

01:19But you kind of are.

01:20Well, Kurt has a crazy story.

01:21We will get back to-

01:23No, it's cool.

01:23We're doing a survey level.

01:24You know some shit.

01:25Like I said, I'm fully pumped to have Kurt here.

01:28I love this guy.

01:29You know, Kurt doesn't remember part of his childhood because he was in the gifted and talented education program.

01:35Dude, it's just smart kid classes.

01:36It's fine.

01:38And now I know a lot of esoteric stuff.

01:39It's not big deal.

01:40Oh, you were in the same-

01:41Well, they teach you remote viewing and all that kind of stuff?

01:43I have no idea.

01:44I don't remember a single part of it.

01:45Damn, bro.

01:45I asked my mom to like-

01:47And now he's super deep on that.

01:49For more ages.

01:50I don't know.

01:52They don't-

01:52Your parents didn't tell you?

01:54My mom don't remember.

01:55If your parents, they go, hey, your son's got high IQ and you're going to be gifted and talented.

01:59You think your parents give a fucking shit?

02:01They don't.

02:01They're like, whoa.

02:03Everybody's conditioned for a pat on the head in this society.

02:06That's the occult prison that you live in.

02:08So you go, oh, I got a good-

02:10I'm an expert.

02:11Now, don't worry because there is a fascinating story.

02:15That gets told in this interview with Jay Anderson.

02:20In fact, many different parts.

02:22I do highly recommend watching this interview.

02:25But there's one part in particular that we're going to focus on from this interview.

02:28And it has to do with a previous interview that Jay Anderson did that Jesse Michaels brought up.

02:34Probably the craziest interview ever done in UFO space.

02:38Not done by me, Ross Coulthart.

02:40You, I don't know if you know what I'm about to say.

02:42I have a feeling.

02:44Bobby Ray Inman.

02:46Who was-

02:47Highest level dude I've ever spoke to in my life.

02:49Kind of terrifying.

02:51Anybody-

02:51Kind of terrifying.

02:52Can ever speak to it.

02:53And they're like, I ran the government.

02:55Now, before we get to the main part of the video, there were a couple other clips from

03:00the video that I wanted to highlight, such as this.

03:03Kurt.

03:03The goal laid out when they invented kindergarten.

03:06Who hurt you, bro?

03:10Literally the entire system I'm in.

03:12It sounds like something real.

03:14I went to kindergarten.

03:15I'm eating a beef.

03:16Sorry.

03:17That wasn't it.

03:18This is it.

03:19So I was watching the Charles Hall Tall Whites documentary.

03:22I just interviewed him.

03:24He's alive?

03:25Yeah, he's alive.

03:25I have a lot of questions for him.

03:27But he's fascinating.

03:27He's a trip.

03:28A couple of the guys that were with me who had seen them thought that they were ancient

03:32Egyptians who had somehow or another gotten into Indian Springs Valley and trapped there

03:37and were still using their own hieroglyphics.

03:40Who thought that?

03:42A couple of the other ranged men, yeah.

03:45So Jesse has an interview coming out with Charles Hall.

03:47And if you're not familiar with his story, well, you should because it is quite a fascinating

03:53story.

03:53And I'm not going to dive into that in this, but I just wanted you to know that that interview

03:57is coming later from Jesse.

04:00And one more part.

04:01I don't care about your production and all that other bullshit.

04:04I already feel that's a layer of a cult between me and what I want to know.

04:07Right.

04:08Sure.

04:08So, and Dan's productions are low.

04:11He's holding up.

04:12Yeah, yeah.

04:13Yeah.

04:13That makes me trust him more.

04:15I hate you.

04:17Good production.

04:18Right.

04:18That makes total sense.

04:19Kurt's comments about the production level of shows such as mine and podcasts when I

04:24was kind of funny considering he's on Jesse Michael's show, which is a lot of

04:27is highly produced in a great way.

04:29I find it to be quite enjoyable.

04:31It makes it easy to digest.

04:34Right.

04:34There's nothing wrong with, quote, plating the food nicely.

04:39Right.

04:40And I can just throw slop on a table or I can plate it for you nicely because you see

04:44you eat with your eyes as well.

04:47And you clearly enjoy entertainment with your eyes.

04:50So there's nothing wrong with good production.

04:52But I think maybe his bigger point was that the production doesn't equal the validity of

04:57what's being talked about.

04:58And in that case, I do agree with Kurt.

05:01Now, before we jump to this main part, I do want to say, please, Vedders, hit that like

05:05button.

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05:06And of course, if you're not already subscribed, hit that subscribe button.

05:09I'm trying to get to 100,000 subscribers before the end of the year.

05:13Now, let's get to the main focus of today's video, because I've actually done quite a bit

05:18of research on what they're talking about, which is Jay Anderson's interview with General

05:23Bobby Ray Inman.

05:25Probably the craziest interview ever done in UFO space.

05:28Not done by me, Ross Coulthart.

05:31You, I don't know if you know what I'm about to say.

05:33I have a feeling.

05:35Bobby Ray Inman, who was...

05:38Highest level dude I've ever spoke to in my life.

05:40Kind of terrifying.

05:42Anybody...

05:42Terrifying.

05:43Can never speak to it.

05:44And they're like, that guy ran the government for years.

05:46I have no idea why he agreed to do an interview.

05:49That was remarkable.

05:50So he was head of the NSA.

05:53He was head of NSA.

05:54He was head of...

05:55Deputy director of the CIA.

05:56Yeah, CIA, DIA.

05:58I think the...

05:59Federal Reserve Branch in Dallas or something.

06:02Yeah, SAIC.

06:03SAIC.

06:04Is that SAIC on the board?

06:05He was the head of everything, man.

06:08Like, you know, like the head honcho.

06:09If there is a legacy UFO program, that guy has a spin.

06:12That dude is like, well, yeah, like one of my guys who's like a veteran in the U.S. Navy

06:17was like, he's definitely like MJ-12.

06:19Like, you know, he's...

06:19Yeah, he has to be.

06:20If there is an MJ-12.

06:21If there's an MJ-12.

06:22That guy's on it.

06:23That's right.

06:23And I love the interview.

06:25The whole thing's hilarious.

06:25Because, like, you're doing this, like, autobiographical thing for the first, like, 45 minutes.

06:30You're warming him up, right?

06:31Yeah, exactly.

06:32And then at the end, you go, so, you know...

06:34Tell me about the aliens!

06:35Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

06:36You go, this UFO researcher Bob Oxler called you.

06:39Yeah, well, I mean, like, I mean, in fairness, we absolutely smoothed it out afterwards.

06:43But he did feel a little bit like he was brought in under false pretense.

06:48Oh, okay.

06:48When I was doing some background research on you, I came across a fascinating little segment from a documentary.

06:54It was a segment of an interview that you had in 1989 with a man called Bob Exler.

06:59Do you remember speaking to a man called Bob Exler?

07:01Yeah, I do.

07:02Yeah.

07:02Yeah, and during this conversation, he asked you whether you believed that the recovered vehicles would ever be made available for technical research outside of the military circle.

07:13And your response to this was, 10 years ago, I would have said no.

07:17But whether time has evolved and they're beginning to become more open on it, it's a possibility.

07:22So, obviously, correct me if I'm wrong, but it just seems like you're suggesting here that you're aware of retrieved UFOs being studied by the military.

07:29No, the answer was no.

07:31I would not.

07:31There were not.

07:32Absolutely were no retrieved UFOs.

07:35I have high confidence.

07:36Now, I went to Jay's channel and I found this interview.

07:39And I found a longer answer, actually, that he gave to this question.

07:43And it is still fascinating.

07:45So, take a look.

07:46No, the answer was no.

07:48I would not.

07:48There were not.

07:49Absolutely were no retrieved UFOs.

07:52I have high confidence.

07:53A close confidant of George Bush and a man well acquainted with Area 51 was Admiral Bob Inman.

08:01His credentials are impeccable.

08:03He was director of both Naval Intelligence and the National Security Agency, as well as deputy director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and the CIA.

08:12In a telephone conversation with Bob Exler in 1989, he referred to recovered vehicles becoming available for research.

08:22Do you anticipate that any of the recovered vehicles would ever become available for technological research outside of the military circles?

08:36Again, I honestly don't know.

08:40Ten years ago, the answer would have been no.

08:42Whether as time has evolved, they're beginning to become more open on it is a possibility.

08:47Seems like you're suggesting here that you're aware of retrieved UFOs being studied by the military.

08:53No, the answer was no.

08:54I would not.

08:54There were not.

08:55Absolutely were no retrieved UFOs.

08:58I have high confidence.

09:00That was not the case.

09:02My speculation was simply everything.

09:04Not that there were people already done, but quite in the future.

09:10That's why my, remember, 89 is when I began my JPL time.

09:17And my much deeper engagement in unmanned research of other planets in the system.

09:28Voyager, which has now already gone out into interstellar space.

09:32The two Voyager satellites, the very thorough work at Saturn and Jupiter and others.

09:42So I'm much more confident now than I would have been in 89 that there are not other entities within our galaxy that could provide extraterrestrial research.

09:56Yes, sir.

09:58Now I'll put a link in the description to Jay's full interview on his own channel so you can check that out with Bobby Ray Inman.

10:05But now let's get back to Jesse and Jay talking about this interview.

10:08I told him that I wanted to talk about UFOs, but again, the way that came about was another buddy of mine who was a U.S. Navy veteran had an old number for him.

10:18And so we called that number and it went straight to voicemail.

10:20And so we left a voice message just saying, well, he left a voice message because it's easier for someone like that who's obviously got connection to him to speak on my behalf and just say, look, there's this guy who's really interested in talking to you.

10:29And basically like a week went by and we had nothing.

10:34And then my buddy was like, hey, he's messaged back.

10:36And it turns out that this phone number we had for him was an old phone that was like locked in a drawer.

10:40He just decided to check it on a whim.

10:41He hadn't checked it in years.

10:42No way.

10:43Yeah, I know.

10:43Right.

10:43And he saw this voice message and decided to respond.

10:46That's a crazy synchronicity.

10:49That's why at that point I was like, this man's going to say the truth.

10:52Like, you know, this feels like it's aligned.

10:53Like, this is meant to be.

10:54Like, this is crazy.

10:55So I was like, you know, he wanted, he was the only guest who asked and it doesn't surprise me for a pre-approved list of questions and talking points.

11:02Like, what are we going to go through?

11:03So I was like, you know, obviously I need to mention the fact that I want to talk about UFOs, but I started off with obviously like, you know, like his career background and geopolitics and national security of today and what he sees.

11:15And then, you know, at the bottom, I was like, and I want to bring up the, you know, 2017 UAP discussion and everything like that.

11:20So I did say that, but I don't think he was expecting me to know about Bob Exler and actually have a seat to be ready to kind of come at him with like, you know, challenges.

11:28And I have to say that, you know, with all due respect to the admiral, you can see the body language shift quite profoundly when we move on to UFOs.

11:35Oh, yeah.

11:36You can see he's relaxed, he's talking, he's enjoying kind of reflecting on his career and everything, which is an incredible career.

11:41I mean, my God, this guy is just like, you know, up at the absolute apex.

11:44But then once we get into UFOs, even when I'm just asking the question, man, he starts getting tight, he starts bringing his body in.

11:52And when I asked him that first question, he was just like, no, no, no, absolutely not.

11:56No UFOs, none at all, like no way.

11:58Here's a clip of Jay from his own interview with Bobby Ray in men asking him that very first question about UFOs.

12:06See if you can spot the uncomfortableness that comes from the general.

12:12In my years, active service, I became intrigued by the whole issue of UFOs.

12:24And as I dug into it, I found there were plausible explanations for virtually everything that we had observed.

12:38And then a few times during the interview, which I think must have been him misspeaking, but it was kind of strange where he kept saying, I am extremely confident that there is no other life in our galaxy.

12:49I have a high level of confidence that within our galaxy, there is no other living life.

13:02And I was like, you know, solar system would make sense.

13:05But he said galaxy like three times.

13:07How can you be confident?

13:07And also at the end of this, he said something along the lines of, I don't think I've given you what you were looking for, but I hope you will listen very carefully to what I've said to you.

13:17So I have listened back and I'm trying to figure out what it was that you might have been like critically putting in.

13:22But this whole thing where he was like, there's no life in the galaxy.

13:25It's like, we should, we should send our audience off now to decode this interview.

13:30Right, right.

13:31The message, Jay, if you find any sort of meta messages.

13:34Yeah, because I'm fascinated in what he was trying to say.

13:36I feel like he was trying to put something down that I haven't picked up yet.

13:39So, well, I did that and I looked into it and I watched it and I definitely other people should do it.

13:46I did find a couple interesting things, but nothing really stuck out.

13:49But, you know, I'm not a professional code breaker here.

13:52Who do I look like?

13:52Benedict Cumberbatch.

13:54But there was this, but there are a couple interesting parts to the interview.

13:59But there are a couple interesting parts in the interview, especially this part.

14:06Did you ever cross paths with Ben Rich, the former director of Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, during your career?

14:12No, I did not.

14:14Yeah, because, well, he made some interesting statements over the years.

14:17One of them, interestingly enough, was at a 1993 alumni speech at UCLA where he was quoted to have said the following.

14:26We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.

14:37Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.

14:40And that's coming from a director of the Skunk Works.

14:42Yeah, and what he's referring back to in those days, the SR-71.

14:53Well, really?

14:54He said traveling among the stars.

14:57Already flying at two and a half times the speed of sound.

15:01While we were saying that building a supersonic aircraft would be too difficult to undertake, and we couldn't do that.

15:12So that was the technology that was classified in the black program.

15:16So he's never crossed paths with Ben Rich from Lockheed Martin, but somehow he knows what he meant by that quote, right?

15:26It seems a little odd to me.

15:29I think there's more there to unravel.

15:31And he also said this, which was very telling and very fascinating.

15:37Does it mean something more?

15:39Possibly.

15:40There was one of the videos down near the White Sands area along the Texas-Mexico border.

15:50And I simply speculated, I said, if I didn't know better, I would have thought you actually captured an image of a stealth missile being tested in the process.

16:04And I got a call from the Air Force asking me not to speculate on test sites.

16:13I think what it tells me is that clearly if he speculates about things, he can get calls to basically, hey, stop speculating about things, right?

16:24So he can have his narrative sort of changed or pushed or adjusted might be the best word.

16:34So how do we know that what he's saying in this interview hasn't been, quote, adjusted?

16:41Yeah.

16:41Yeah, who knows?

16:42Well, that, I mean.

16:43That was wild, yeah.

16:44So wild, so wild.

16:45But the Bob Oxler call is so just crazy and interesting because you hear Bobby Ray Inman say, yeah, like, yeah, you know, maybe at some point this will come out, but not now.

16:56And he's speaking so casually.

16:58Yeah.

16:58And there's a few, there's a few like news clips of Exler going on the news and saying like, yeah, well, someone said to him, you know, do you think that this could just be fraudulent and fake?

17:08And he's like, well, Admiral Bobby Ray Inman convinced me that these were flying saucers from an alien species, so I'm pretty okay with that.

17:13And it's just like, well, damn, man, like, he's like reiterating this over and over.

17:17A few people have said that it was maybe, you know, misquoted from that documentary where you've got the recording.

17:22But here's Exler on the news a few different times reiterating that Admiral Inman made him, like, absolutely confident and positive.

17:31And Oxler seemed markedly more reasonable than a lot of UFO researchers.

17:36Like, he himself was an aerospace engineer.

17:38Yeah, he was a NASA guy.

17:39He was a NASA specialist at some point in his life.

17:42And again, yeah, very calm-spoken, intellectual guy that was just being very matter-of-fact with it and just saying, well, no, I mean, from where I'm seeing, the Admiral essentially has convinced me that these are recovered vehicles that we're working on.

17:53And there's no way that you could be mistaken and it could have been an airplane, helicopter or something of that nature.

17:58Well, Admiral Inman convinced me that these vehicles were not manufactured by human technology.

18:04So that's pretty conclusive for me.

18:06Now, I'll put a link in the description to the full interview with Jay Anderson and Jesse Michaels.

18:12And coincidentally, I actually did my own interview with Jay Anderson not too long ago about the discoveries at the Giza Plateau under the pyramids, right, the big structures underneath.

18:23So I'll put a link to that as well if you want to watch that.

18:26And I guess I could break this here.

18:29Jesse, you know, has agreed to come on the podcast embedded here.

18:34So I'm going to try to set that up.

18:35But he's busy.

18:36I'm busy.

18:37So I don't know when that's going to happen.

18:38But hopefully we can make it happen fairly soon.

18:43Now, I do want to leave you with one more interesting part from the Jay Anderson interview that he did with Bobby Inman, right?

18:52But the good general.

18:54And it's quite interesting considering what Jay brought up about Ben Rich and Lockheed Martin.

18:59And as you know, Lockheed Martin has been in the news quite a bit, right?

19:05With Ross Coulthard and whatnot.

19:07I'm going to leave you with one thought today, Bryce.

19:10I now know categorically that the TIC-TAC is Lockheed Martin technology.

19:17Okay.

19:19The TIC-TAC is Lockheed Martin technology.

19:23Why are we being lied to?

19:27Take a look at this clip.

19:28Is it feasible to send drones halfway around the world to do images?

19:35The answer is yes.

19:38Right.

19:38And we're not the only country that has that confidence.

19:42It's the performance capabilities and the flight characteristics that have been described, I think.

19:47I mean, the recent ones that have been coming up through the U.S. government, like the now famous TIC-TAC incident,

19:53which was a, you know, it had no flight surfaces, no wings, no exhaust, no air plumes, no sort of signatures to it.

20:00And it was making erratic movements in ways that couldn't really be described by our physics.

20:07Go back and compare that, those evaluations, to the ones that were related to the over Phoenix, along the border, all the rest.

20:20Phenomenon we did not understand, and the observations did not automatically tell you what the answer could be.

20:31So there are clearly things here to try to understand and explore.

20:36And particularly if we're being subjected to surveillance within this planet, for what purpose in the process?

20:45But for my JPL time, I remain highly confident that there are no other elements within our galaxy that could be providing those.

20:59And I'm very skeptical of interstellar, unless it's something out there that's far advanced beyond where the U.S. is, technology.

21:09I think if it existed, we would have seen other elements of it by this time.

21:14But James Webb will let us know a lot more about this over the next two or three years.

21:20All right, now it's time to respond to some YouTube comments.

21:24Here's the first one.

21:25This is from Jesse Michaels.

21:27He says, Dolan is the GOAT of UFO research.

21:30Patrick is the GOAT of daily UFO updates.

21:33Let's go, y'all.

21:35Thank you, Jesse.

21:36I really appreciate the kind words.

21:38The GOAT, I'm too humble to admit that.

21:42But I do appreciate, you know, the support.

21:46Let's put it that way.

21:46And look, one like on this comment.

21:49Come on, y'all.

21:50We need to be supporting Jesse when he comments on the channel.

21:53Now, let's move to the second comment.

21:55But Niles Sweeney, XL5DB, says, be great if you just let your videos play and do you talking after instead of constantly interrupting it.

22:06So annoying.

22:08It was really hard to just read that comment.

22:11But look, that's the channel here.

22:13So if that bothers you, I mean, I guess you're just going to have to find another channel because the way I do the show is just not going to change.

22:20So respectfully, right?

22:22But if you're just looking for the clips, we'll go watch them, right?

22:26You come to Vetted to hear me break it down and add context clips and break it up and this and that.

22:31And, you know, I'm not just trying to, quote, steal people's content like I get accused of sometimes.

22:38I have to transform it, which is what I want to do to give you a whole reason to watch it.

22:43Otherwise, you just go watch the clips and you don't need me, right?

22:47So anyway, I apologize if that's what you're expecting.

22:52But, you know, respectfully, it's not going to change.

22:55So, all right, y'all.

22:57Hope you enjoyed today's video.

22:58Please leave your comments down below.

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