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00:00Not only was it a walkthrough, I mean, only one player was even wearing a helmet.
00:03It was one of those type of days.
00:05And Drake didn't even put on a helmet until halfway through.
00:07Right, exactly.
00:08So, yeah, not a lot you can take out of it.
00:10They'll have one practice over the weekend, and then, I think, full pads on Monday,
00:14which I'm excited about.
00:15I think that'll be a good day.
00:16That's the word.
00:17Because Wednesday, there was good kind of buzz and intensity,
00:20and it was sort of like, hey, first day, whole team's out there making some plays,
00:24crowd was into it, and then a little bit less yesterday,
00:26and then really not at all today.
00:28I mean, they're going through stuff.
00:30The coaches will have a good idea if they got what they wanted out of today.
00:34From up here, it's kind of hard to tell.
00:36I'll tell you, I mean, the first day, I thought May and the passing offense largely looked good.
00:40I think the O-line struggled, but May to digs, that was very promising.
00:43I put a lot of stock in that day one.
00:45I also put a lot of stock in the O-line not looking great.
00:47So, I think that was the day so far we could really read into.
00:51I think yesterday was more in the middle.
00:53Today was a big nothing burger.
00:54I mean, no competitive periods, all walk-through, players in shoes and not even pads,
00:59hardly even helmets, as Keefe said.
01:01A couple of takeaways from today.
01:03You heard Vrabel talking about where yesterday's practice ended.
01:06They were going to work on some third-down stuff today and try to finish better
01:09than they did a year ago out on the practice field, or a day ago, rather,
01:12out on the practice field.
01:14Absences.
01:14Polk continues to be absent.
01:16Still not out there.
01:16Reese reported yesterday its soreness in his quad or calf.
01:21I can't remember which, but a leg soreness for Jalen Polk, which, again,
01:25the way I hear that is he goes, hey, this is barking at me a little bit,
01:28and they go, oh, oh, oh, you're good.
01:31Stay away.
01:31We don't need you out there.
01:32Take your time, Jalen.
01:34You're good.
01:35Is there any way he makes the team?
01:37No.
01:38I mean, any way, I guess, sure.
01:40But do I see him making the team?
01:41No, not even close.
01:42I don't even see him.
01:43I think Baker, Chisholm, who are some of the other down-the-roster receivers?
01:47They have better chances, I think.
01:48Yeah, Baker, Chisholm, I guess depending on where you would put Booty or Borg.
01:53Jeremiah Webb?
01:53I don't even know who that is.
01:54That's crazy.
01:55John Giles?
01:56John Giles?
01:57Yeah, no relation to Tom, I don't believe.
01:59That's a J, not a G.
02:00Okay, yeah, that would be a different Giles.
02:02But, yeah, I would say, you know, he's in the mix.
02:03He's closer to those guys than even Chisholm and Baker and Booty and guys like that.
02:08Yeah, I don't like his chances at all.
02:10And that was if he was on the field.
02:12And now he's not even on the field.
02:14Demir Blankemse.
02:16Bird?
02:17How about him?
02:17No, no, no, no, not Demir Blankemse.
02:19Cam Newton's favorite receiver.
02:21Demir Blankemse.
02:22He's closer to those guys.
02:23What's his name?
02:24Number, if you're looking on the roster, they're number 30.
02:27Number 30.
02:2830?
02:29Offensive 30, not defensive.
02:30They got two 30s, Keith.
02:31Offensive 30.
02:32Blankemse?
02:32Yeah.
02:33I don't know if he's going to make it.
02:34I don't know if he's going to make it necessarily.
02:36But, yeah, Jalen Polk's just not going to make the team.
02:37He's going to be a one-and-done second-round pick.
02:40Polk, without the draft pedigree, might as well be Blankemse, or whatever his name is.
02:43He has the same chances as Tom Giles, or whatever his name is.
02:47I think it really comes down to, do you keep five or six, and is Matt Collins healthy or not?
02:51That's the big question and debate for the Patriots receivers.
02:55So, Polk, again, not out there today.
02:59We did have the return of Carlton Davis.
03:02He was there day one.
03:03Yeah.
03:03He wasn't there yesterday.
03:04He was back out there today.
03:05A top five Patriot, current Patriot, according to both you and me.
03:07Correct.
03:08I'm actually looking at our top five Patriots right now.
03:10I had them number five.
03:11You had them number four on your list.
03:13Seek those out at Jones and Keefe.
03:15Looking at a few other things here.
03:17I don't know if I read these earlier today.
03:18Some depth chart things, which I do think you can read into today.
03:21Nothing competitive, but depth chart stuff.
03:23Yeah.
03:23Mark Daniels said, interesting day for Jared Wilson.
03:26He rotated him with the first offensive line at left guard, center, and right guard.
03:31I believe that's the first time we've heard about him at right guard.
03:34Yeah.
03:34I wonder what that is.
03:35I wonder if that's on when who has to be a backup tackle.
03:39That's what I was going to say.
03:40Moses, maybe on when who plays tackle.
03:42They've had Moses on a quote-unquote pitch count.
03:44Yeah.
03:44So, if on when who has to kick out the tackle, they're getting a look at Jared Wilson at right guard.
03:48Yeah.
03:48But this goes back to why I think, although it wouldn't be shocking, but if Garrett Bradbury could
03:54either start or not make the team.
03:57And if they like what they get out of Wilson, or maybe they feel like Strange is better as
04:01a center, I wonder how they really feel about Garrett Bradbury.
04:05That's just me kind of throwing out a name.
04:06That's not based on anything, but just sort of, it seemed like after the second day, it
04:11was, all right, Will Campbell and Mike Unwenu are in there.
04:14Those are first team offensive linemen.
04:15Yep.
04:16Morgan Moses, it's more of like, he will be, but let's just sort of like pitch count
04:20him like you said.
04:21And then center and left guard are wide open.
04:24I feel like that's where the, that's where the real battle.
04:26Who do you want to be the center on?
04:27Like, who are you rooting for?
04:29Bradbury.
04:30I kind of hope that he's just good.
04:31Not Wilson.
04:32No, I mean, I think if Wilson as a rookie is sort of a, your first center in or your first
04:37guard in, I'd take that.
04:40But if they sign Bradbury, I hope, hopefully it's him and he's fine.
04:43I don't want Strange.
04:44Yeah, you're probably right.
04:45If Bradbury's your center and Wilson's your left guard, that's probably the best case
04:49scenario.
04:50I was going to say, Caden Wallace is mixing in at left guard.
04:52Yeah.
04:53If he is a third round pick a year ago, like if he is, if he can play at guard, he couldn't
04:57at tackle.
04:57Definitely not left tackle.
04:58No, I don't want that.
04:59There was a reason he never played it at Penn State.
05:00Yeah.
05:01Oh, he's got a really good left tackle next to him.
05:03That's why he never played.
05:04He could play it.
05:05Wrong.
05:05No.
05:06He could have a right tackle.
05:06If he could play guard, I might be okay with that, but you're probably right.
05:11Bradbury at center, Wilson at left guard is probably the best combo, the
05:15best case scenario for the pads.
05:17Other news and notes here.
05:19Looking at Andrew Callahan, a lot of the same on the O-line.
05:23Yeah.
05:23He did say for the receivers, and we'll get to more of this, Diggs, Douglas, Booty, your
05:28top wide receivers.
05:30He says that Bourne and Williams mixed in more in the second team.
05:33Yeah.
05:33So maybe the biggest bubble guy would be Booty.
05:36Yeah.
05:37Kendrick Bourne.
05:38I think Booty and Bourne.
05:39Booty Bourne.
05:40Bourne, Booty.
05:40Booty and Bourne.
05:41I think those, if Hollins is healthy, those two are fighting for one spot, I think.
05:44Yeah.
05:44That's what I think it comes down to as well.
05:46And I think Chisholm is behind them on that list.
05:48Same thing with Javon Baker.
05:50I don't even think Book is anywhere near it.
05:51Yeah.
05:52And then one here from our pal Matt on Twitter.
05:54This is a criticism of Mike Vrabel.
05:56I don't know how much they're restricted by in the CDA, but he says taking a day off, third day
06:00into camp, they didn't quite take it off.
06:02They weren't out here.
06:03Is a hell of a strategy for a 2-15 team.
06:06He said the Bengals and Bills wins don't count.
06:08I mean, you gotta give them the Bengals.
06:09We don't count the Bengals wins?
06:10You gotta give them the Bengals.
06:10If you don't want to count the Bills wins, I get that.
06:13You don't want to count the Bills wins?
06:14I'll give you that one.
06:14The Bengals win counts.
06:15We're not counting the Bengals win?
06:16No, that counts.
06:172-15 team.
06:17That's their signature win.
06:18He says, I hope they have time today to run through the sprinklers and get some ice cream.
06:22We didn't see any ice cream.
06:23We didn't see any slip and slide or anything like that.
06:26But even Belichick would do that.
06:27He'd hose them down.
06:27Let me be consistent, though.
06:29If Mayo did this a year ago, I would have been critical of it.
06:31So am I giving Vrabel a bit of a free pass where I would have said,
06:34Oh, Mayo's giving them an off day.
06:35They're here to work.
06:36They should be working.
06:37I don't know how much they're restricted by the CBA, but I think that's a lot of it.
06:42I probably would have been more critical of Mayo doing this than I am right now of Vrabel
06:44because I trust Vrabel more than Mayo.
06:46There's a track record.
06:47But you only get X number of full padded practices.
06:50You only get X number of time throughout camp.
06:52So if he wants to use it this way, I don't have a huge problem with it.
06:57Because let's face it.
06:58After yesterday, the takeaway was through two days, pretty good.
07:02Yep.
07:03Right?
07:03Like there was not like, Oh, that's real.
07:04That's a real mess.
07:05Or like, Oh, they got to clean that up.
07:07Like overall, pretty good.
07:08No, I agree.
07:09The offensive line wasn't great, but guess what?
07:10They're not great.
07:11And then everything else kind of was relatively positive.
07:14So your plan all along was, all right, day three is going to be kind of a walkthrough,
07:18have another practice over the weekend, and then really kind of ramp things up on Monday.
07:22Also knowing that you have two joint practices this year.
07:26And all the coaches and players talk about how much you get out of those.
07:29So you're also kind of ramping up to those two things you're going to do this year.
07:32The joint practices they have are interesting.
07:34It's the commanders, Jaden Daniels.
07:35Yeah.
07:35And the Vikings, JJ McCarthy.
07:37So it's like, yeah, right.
07:39You're going to get a look at, like, Drake May, how he looks compared to a guy who hasn't played yet, McCarthy.
07:44He better be better than McCarthy.
07:45And a guy, 100%.
07:46Yeah.
07:46And a guy who was in the NFC title game last year in Jaden Daniels.
07:49Absolutely.
07:50Like, that's going to be interesting when we get to that point.
07:52Which team will Terry McLaurin be on by the time they practice?
07:55He gets the switch.
07:55He's keeping pats.
07:56I mean, Keith, we threatened to drive down to Worcester to go get Roman Anthony.
07:59We almost had to.
08:00I mean, I don't know.
08:01We should get Terry McLaurin on the show.
08:03Get Terry McLaurin.
08:04Get him on the show.
08:05Talk to me like, hey, you could be a Patriots Monday guest with us.
08:07He's like, all right, I'll demand a trade.
08:08I'll demand a trade right now.
08:10I'll call my agent.
08:11It could happen.
08:12617-779-7937.
08:14You can discuss all things Patriots here.
08:16We'll get back to the Red Sox at 1 o'clock.
08:17We've got Week in Review coming your way.
08:19What a week.
08:20At 1245, it's certainly been a week, Keith, as you hear right there in the open.
08:24We'll give you the brag of the week coming up.
08:27Brag of the day, I do think, is I'll do it on behalf of my guy, Rich.
08:31Last night on BST, I was watching you.
08:33Thanks.
08:33I caught the replay this morning.
08:34I didn't see it live last night.
08:35Hopefully that still counts.
08:37Hopefully they still got credit for that.
08:38Yeah, I think they do.
08:39So I was watching the replay this morning, minding my own business, getting ready to drive down
08:43to Foxborough today, battle some traffic on the way down to Foxborough.
08:47Not all heroes wear capes.
08:48And I'm watching BST, and I see it's Keith, it's Curran, and it's Mike Felger.
08:54And there was a big argument.
08:56Well, the two of you are on one side, Felger on the other.
08:58Big argument about, well, how much Drake May should run.
09:02And I would encourage you to go check out Savage Sports, his timeline.
09:05He does a good job of giving you the full beatdown that Keith put on Felger.
09:12A verbal tap out.
09:14A verbal tap out.
09:14That's how I would refer to it.
09:16He doesn't want to see Drake May run this year, which I find absurd.
09:21And Curran was on your side.
09:23I'm on your side.
09:24I don't get wanting to rein in Drake May.
09:27I get not wanting to get him hurt.
09:28I get wanting him to be a passer first.
09:31I mean, I get all those things.
09:32But Drake May better have design runs, scramble plays.
09:35That's part of what made him, I thought, an elite prospect last year.
09:39Yeah, exactly.
09:39Why he was the third pick in the draft.
09:41Sort of one of the upside things with Drake May.
09:44And the conversation started because we were referring to some of the Kendrick Bourne's
09:49comments and even Hunter Henry's comments at camp being like, hey, you guys were in the
09:53Josh McDaniels system in 2021.
09:54One, we've heard about a lot of maybe changes or tweaks or things like that.
09:58And they're like, no, it's the same offense.
10:00And that's us saying, well, maybe they haven't put in all the quarterback runs yet because
10:03of just the nature of these practices.
10:05Because I don't think they should call plays the way they did for Mac Jones the same way
10:09they should for Drake May.
10:10And then that's when Mike was like, well, it should be a pocket passer.
10:13And I was like, well, you know, there's a lot of very successful quarterbacks right
10:18now running.
10:19And it's not just when the play breaks down like the homes.
10:22It's guys that run, that's the play call.
10:25Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Jaden Daniels.
10:28Those are four of the six best quarterbacks in the league.
10:32The guy who won the Super Bowl and the guys that finished one and two in the MVP.
10:37Yep.
10:37And it's also Drake May's skill set.
10:39This isn't like, hey, quarterbacks run.
10:42So you should run.
10:43Hey, Mac Jones, you should run.
10:44Or Tom Brady or Bailey Zappi.
10:46You guys need to run.
10:47Those guys weren't runners.
10:48Drew Bledsoe.
10:48Oh, yeah, right, right.
10:49Designed run play.
10:50Like, I don't know, this guy could do it.
10:51It's what he did in college.
10:52We saw it last year.
10:53Right.
10:53This is what can make him really good.
10:57And this can sort of add to it.
10:58And so if, I say only, but if he only throws 20, 21, 22 touchdown passes this year.
11:05He runs for eight.
11:06Okay.
11:06Now you're cooking.
11:0730 touchdowns.
11:08Yes.
11:08Now you're talking.
11:08And also you look at what's around him.
11:11We like Steph Diggs.
11:13We don't really like any of the other receivers.
11:14Hunter Henry is fine.
11:16The running backs are a question mark.
11:17The offensive line might not be great.
11:19If you tell me you get 500 or 600 rushing yards from your quarterback, you're going to need it.
11:24It's not just like a bonus.
11:25Like, hey, look what we can do.
11:27And, you know, you're just showing off.
11:28No, no, no.
11:29They're going to need him to pick up first downs.
11:31And I hope that Josh McDaniels.
11:33And I think that, see, this is one spot where I think that he will.
11:37But I go, you think he'll give Drake design runs?
11:40I think so.
11:41Me too.
11:41He did it with Cam.
11:41He did it with Cam.
11:42Now, I don't think as a prospect, Drake and Cam, that's a bad comparison.
11:46I think Drake and Josh Allen were similar.
11:48I thought Allen was similar to Cam.
11:50I think, and we're talking about Carolina, number one pick in the draft, Cam, not end
11:54of his career, not the same player anymore.
11:56Yeah, he had tons of design runs for Cam.
11:58I think he'll do that with Drake, and he should.
12:00Does Mike Vrabel allow it, though?
12:01Yes.
12:02Okay.
12:02I mean, look, I don't know.
12:04But you had highlighted before some of Tannehill's numbers as a passer.
12:08Yeah, he actually passed really well.
12:10Right.
12:10Take a look at Tannehill's rushing yard.
12:12You look up Tannehill.
12:12I'll look up Mariota while Vrabel was there.
12:15You know, not much.
12:16Not crazy.
12:17For a guy as athletic as he is, his high watermark was 270 rushing yards.
12:24That's not much.
12:24However, he had two seasons where he had seven rushing touchdowns.
12:28Okay.
12:28That's more positive.
12:29Let's let you run down by the goal line.
12:31But also, you had Derrick Henry.
12:32Seven!
12:33This team doesn't have Derrick Henry.
12:35No, they certainly do not.
12:36They do not have a Derrick Henry type.
12:38So, I mean, he ran some, but not as much as I wanted him to.
12:42So, that's why I wonder.
12:42Because he's talked about being smart, protecting himself.
12:46But you can do both.
12:47Like, you really can.
12:48Like, Josh Allen played every game.
12:50Lamar Jackson played every game.
12:52Jaden Daniels played every game.
12:53What was Vrabel's first year in Tennessee?
12:55Was it 18?
12:57Was it 17?
12:59Might have been...
13:00Mariota had a couple of 300-yard rushing seasons.
13:02But, yeah, nothing crazy, to be honest.
13:03His first year was 18.
13:05Okay, that was 357, two touchdowns in 19.
13:09And he only played seven games, 129.
13:11So, yeah, I mean, fair point.
13:12Vrabel hasn't really let his quarterbacks run.
13:14I would.
13:15And I think McDaniels would be happy to do it.
13:17And, by the way, I think there is a difference.
13:20Like, Drake may came in on the first day, on Wednesday.
13:22And after camp, I forget who asked him.
13:24I think it was Karen, actually.
13:25He's like, yeah, great question.
13:27Oh, Karen, hello.
13:30And she's like, what have you worked on the most between year one and year two?
13:33What are you working on?
13:33And he's like, well, I want to hang in as a passer.
13:35Yeah.
13:36On a passing play, you need your quarterback.
13:38Allen and Lamar are incredible at this.
13:40They don't just go one read and take off.
13:42One read, two reads, three, maybe four reads.
13:44And then, when there's truly nothing there, they'll take off and make something out of nothing.
13:49Like, I need him to hang on and go through his reads.
13:52You need to go one, two, three.
13:53Yeah.
13:54Okay?
13:54And then, if it's not there, you can take off.
13:56You can't go, oh, my first read's not there.
13:59I'm out of the pocket.
14:00I'm leaving.
14:01That would be a disaster.
14:02So, Drake can't do that.
14:03I'm not asking him to do that.
14:05But I want him to hang in on some of these throws.
14:07I still want him to be a productive passer.
14:10Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen are wildly productive passers.
14:13Hertz wasn't as much last year.
14:15They really scaled back their passing.
14:16They had one of the lowest pass rates in the NFL last year.
14:19They were a heavy run team between Hertz and Saquon Barkley.
14:22But Hertz has had better passing seasons before.
14:24I wouldn't call him a precision passer.
14:27But he's had more productive passing seasons than a year ago.
14:31And I think on design run plays, I want him to do that.
14:33And I wouldn't take that away.
14:35What you've got to coach out of him is getting himself hurt.
14:38Fighting for the extra yard like he did against the Chargers.
14:40You know, not having awareness after breaking out a big play against the Jets.
14:44Like, I don't want him to get hurt.
14:45I don't want him to get killed out there.
14:47That's Vrabel's job to coach that out.
14:49But they should have design runs.
14:50And if he goes through three or four progressions and it's not there,
14:53he should take off.
14:54That's what Mahomes does.
14:55The five quarterbacks last year with the most rushing attempts.
14:58Yep.
14:59All right, so not necessarily yards because Kyler Murray is not in this
15:01attempts list, but he had a ton of yards.
15:03Jalen Hurts.
15:05I know a lot of that's tush-push, but whatever.
15:06Jalen Hurts, number one, most rushing attempts regular season.
15:09He won the Super Bowl.
15:11Jaden Daniels, second most rushing attempts, was in the NFC title game.
15:14And everyone thinks he's the best quarterback in the conference.
15:16Yep.
15:16But Lamar Jackson, AFC title game.
15:19It should have been the MVP.
15:20Should have gone to the Super Bowl, by the way.
15:23Josh Allen was the MVP, was fourth.
15:25And then rookie Bo Nix was fifth, made the playoffs.
15:28All playoff teams.
15:29Top five guys all made the playoffs.
15:31What do you know?
15:32It's almost like you want your quarterback to run.
15:34It kind of seems like it based off of these numbers.
15:36One of them won the Super Bowl.
15:37Two others made the conference title game.
15:39All five were playoff teams.
15:40Yeah.
15:41Two of them were rookies.
15:42Two of them were in Drake May's class.
15:43It's almost like you want your quarterbacks to run in today's NFL.
15:46That's weird.
15:47Because the argument, I guess, would be, not to straw man this, but it would be like,
15:51well, Tom Brady didn't run and Mahomes doesn't have design runs.
15:54Okay.
15:55So fine.
15:55Get me Tom Brady again.
15:57Yeah.
15:57Or get me Mahomes.
15:58Yeah, sure.
15:59Or maybe a guy who can run.
16:01And not forcing somebody to run.
16:03Getting a guy who can run and letting him run, like Drake May.
16:06So that's what it should be.
16:07So 500, 600 yards rushing and something?
16:10That's not crazy.
16:12If he plays, for 600 yards, the only question is, does he play 17 games?
16:15If he plays 17 games, he's running for 600 yards.
16:17Yeah, that's probably true.
16:18He was well over 400 last year.
16:19He was.
16:20Do you have his numbers in front of you?
16:21I do.
16:21He was like 10 a pop last year.
16:22Yeah, he had 421 yards rushing, 7.8 yards a carry.
16:26Okay, so 10 was an exaggeration.
16:27But he was 8 yards a pop on a run.
16:29Yeah.
16:30That's going to keep a defense honest.
16:33That's going to give them one more guy to account for.
16:35And so, again, I would work in design runs.
16:37Five a game?
16:38Yeah.
16:39Something like that?
16:40He was 9th last year in rushing yards.
16:41Yeah.
16:42He only played 13, well, quote-unquote 13 games.
16:45Not even 13 full games.
16:46No, he finished 11, I think.
16:47He left the Chargers game.
16:48He came back.
16:49The Jets game he played in, but he barely played.
16:51The Bills game didn't really play.
16:52The Bills.
16:53Oh, yeah, sorry.
16:5310 games he finished, maybe.
16:54Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:55I forgot about the Bills game.
16:56So, no, it should absolutely be a part of it.
16:58Now, the other piece, the Josh McDaniels offense.
17:01I personally am not surprised it's going to be the same offense.
17:04He's the same guy.
17:05I was hopeful they might have a little wrinkle.
17:07I'm not surprised, but I am a little disappointed.
17:09Let's get to that with all your thoughts.
17:10The wide receiver depth chart as well.
17:12Oh, and speaking of Drake May, more evidence that Drake May wanted Joe Milton the hell out of town.
17:16Let's get to all of that right after Trending with Nick LaPan.
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