- 7/25/2025
John and Steve discuss the intersection of Russian mysticism and modern charismatic extremism, beginning with a humorous account of a road trip through Houston that leads into a serious exploration of converging apostasy from both the political right and left. They contrast bumper sticker slogans to introduce the overlap between nationalist rhetoric and esoteric spirituality. This opens a deep dive into neoplatonic angelology in music and pop theology, especially Trisha Yearwood’s “Bringing the Angels,” which Steve argues mirrors mystical beliefs about calling down supernatural powers through human will—a trend also observed in Latter Rain and NAR movements.
They trace how charismatic extremism mirrors historic Russian sects such as the Khlysts (Khlysty), led by figures who claimed to be Christ and used ecstatic rituals, self-flagellation, and euphoric dance. John connects this directly to William Branham and later figures in the NAR who blur the line between prophet and messiah. As they examine how these mystical movements migrated from Russia to the U.S. and Canada, they expose disturbing parallels—such as public nudity, arson, and authoritarian religiosity—while tying in American Christian identity teachings, Branham’s relationship with political figures, and occult influencers. The conversation ends with a preview of a future episode continuing this historical analysis.
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They trace how charismatic extremism mirrors historic Russian sects such as the Khlysts (Khlysty), led by figures who claimed to be Christ and used ecstatic rituals, self-flagellation, and euphoric dance. John connects this directly to William Branham and later figures in the NAR who blur the line between prophet and messiah. As they examine how these mystical movements migrated from Russia to the U.S. and Canada, they expose disturbing parallels—such as public nudity, arson, and authoritarian religiosity—while tying in American Christian identity teachings, Branham’s relationship with political figures, and occult influencers. The conversation ends with a preview of a future episode continuing this historical analysis.
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00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research at william-branham.org.
00:43And with me, I have my co-host and friend, Steve Montgomery, the author of The Converging Apostasy and A Quick Outline of Hands-On Eschatology, A Matter of Timing and Agency.
00:54And together, we're examining the themes of apostasy in the New Apostolic Reformation and its history.
01:00Steve, it's good to finally be back. It's been a while.
01:03And to talk about this subject today, which is going to be very fascinating for me.
01:09Up to this point, I have studied most of the things that you've talked about in the podcasts and read through your book,
01:16so I'm familiar with most of it up to this point.
01:19But when it gets into the subject today, which is the Russian themes of apostasy and Russian mysticism,
01:27it's something that just fascinates me because it's this whole other world that I have not yet tapped into.
01:32The closest I've come is, you've probably seen these videos, I'm trying to remember the name of them,
01:38but it's a spy show, and they're going into Russia, and the Russians have all joined this mysterious cult,
01:46and it's taken over the Kremlin, and they're trying to break through, you know the story,
01:50and I'll let you explain what it is because everybody should know that history.
01:54It's kind of famous.
01:55But that's the limit of what I know towards Russian mysticism and Russian history,
02:02but it has had a huge impact on the rest of the world, more than most people realize.
02:07Yeah, it's good to be back again also, John.
02:11One thing I can say is in the larger book, Converging Apostasy,
02:17I have a section called From Russia With Love?
02:21question mark, and it talks about people like Alexander Dugin,
02:27who's a real problem if you read what he has to say about his life and his worldview are pretty alarming,
02:36especially with his influence on Vladimir Putin.
02:40And then one of the biggest names in that mysticism from Russia is actually Vladimir Soliolyov,
02:48which we've already talked about him.
02:50So, this is some similar stuff, but it's not necessarily focusing on those two guys.
02:58So, even as a preliminary to that, it's just crazy how, you know, this happens, John,
03:05where you're not really looking to find out about something,
03:08and people that you know, they say, what are you seeing there?
03:12What are you talking about?
03:14Well, this is based on a short drive in the Houston area.
03:20And if you've ever been in Houston, that's not always a short drive due to the bumper-to-bumper traffic jams that you get,
03:31and it's also a big city spread out a long ways.
03:35So, in my short drive in Houston, I had these two aspects that I ran into,
03:43which is kind of like the converging apostasy, which essentially you have one from the right,
03:48that's very, very generally speaking, and one from the left, also very generally speaking.
03:54So, the left would be mostly your New Age and esoteric-type folks,
04:00and then the right would be anything coming out of the latter rain and tilting on into Christian identity.
04:06And so, yeah, there's many points in which these converge,
04:10but more particularly, this is what I observed when I was on the roadways in Houston.
04:18On the right, meaning on my right-hand side, and also the right religiously, politically,
04:25there was a bumper sticker on the back of a church, excuse me, on the back of a truck,
04:30which said, keep America great.
04:32So, okay, I kind of get the idea where that one's coming from.
04:35And on the left, there was a car, and it had a sticker on the back that says,
04:43as above, so also below.
04:46My wife said, what is that?
04:48And I kind of wanted to hold back because it's an awfully big subject,
04:53but sufficient to say it's completely in the New Age occultic, esoteric realm that you run into that phrase.
05:02And this actually led into, we haven't talked since the 4th of July,
05:09but I had some Neoplatonist leftovers that I ran into.
05:15Okay, so one, you know, Neoplatonist, we talked about calling down angels.
05:21It's a big component with that belief system.
05:25So one, as I recall here in a song, all the way back in 1984 by Amy Grant, she called it angels.
05:35And she says pretty much basically the divine protection can at times come in the form of angels.
05:42So to quote her, she said, got his angels watching over me.
05:47Every move I make, angels watching over me.
05:50Okay, so that's going backwards.
05:53Now, go back just to this recently big event that we had for the 4th of July.
06:01So if you happen to be watching the TV, the popular singer, I was going to say country,
06:07but she loves country, pop, other stuff.
06:09Trisha Yearwood got on and sang a couple of tunes.
06:14So, because of the nature of the song and because I just can't let go,
06:21I have to dig in and find out for myself.
06:24I found out she doesn't attend a church called Christ Church USA in Nashville, Tennessee.
06:32Okay, fine.
06:34That's good to know.
06:35But I looked at it a little bit more in particular,
06:37and they believe in, quote, the spiritual gifts,
06:40which means they speak in tongues, prophesy, and do other things,
06:45and maybe have a connection to the NAR.
06:47I don't know that.
06:49But online, they label themselves as a non-denominational church
06:54that teaches the fivefold ministry.
06:57Okay, John, for you, myself, and many others,
07:00we kind of see a red flag going up there with the fivefold ministry.
07:04So, let's hear what Yearwood has to say about angels in her song.
07:10She had a song called Bringing the Angels,
07:13and she performed that, like I said,
07:15the 2025 Fourth of July celebration in New York City.
07:21So, how is this different in any way from A.B. Grant's song?
07:25Essentially, it's this, and this is the Neoplatonist angle.
07:30So, Yearwood's song puts the human will as what is engaged to call angels.
07:41So, she says, direct quote here,
07:44I'm bringing the angels, I'm calling them down.
07:48Okay, that could go from anywhere, from NAR to Light of Rain to William Brann,
07:52I'm talking like that.
07:52She then equates angels with, quote, all them saints,
07:58aka the Cloud of Witnesses, which is so overemphasized by the NAR and other groups.
08:06And she says that they can be experienced through human perception.
08:11She says, quote, I can hear them, I can feel them.
08:16Okay, so just biblically speaking, are we supposed to be calling down angels
08:21so that we can hear them and feel them?
08:24I would put my foot forward and say, no, we're not supposed to do that.
08:31I don't think she's a heretic, seems like a great singer,
08:36but there's something out of balance here.
08:39So, I would say that this has clear Neoplatan's leanings,
08:45like those of Jane Glead, her disciples in the Lateran River of 1948,
08:50and with the NAR prophets, Gwen Shaw, Cindy Jacobs, Jennifer LeClaire, and Bill Hammond.
08:59My question is, which I haven't found the answer,
09:03how did this sort of idea get into Yearwood's song,
09:06and evidently into her church?
09:09Without asking her, it's difficult to know.
09:11However, if you look at the way that the Lateran movement shifted Christianity
09:18and upended, I should say upended Christianity,
09:21because it really flipped it on its head,
09:23they wanted to create the notion that you needed these super apostles.
09:28It was a movement of super apostles, basically reinventing Corinthian worship.
09:33Well, if you follow that out to its logical conclusion,
09:36these super apostles then become your spiritual elders and your spiritual guides,
09:42many of which, ironically, were claiming that they had angels with them.
09:47Not just Branham did this.
09:48There were several in the movement that did this.
09:50So then what happened is people began to associate the super apostle with the angel
09:56that they claimed to be with them and started to morph the mythology
10:02until such that the angel and the human became almost one and the same.
10:06The problem is, because the focus was so shifted upon the human being and the alleged angel that's with them,
10:15they started to think of these as almost deities.
10:18Not quite, but almost.
10:20Then when they died, now they become God's generals, as you know.
10:24Well, what if these generals come back and talk to us in spirit?
10:28That wasn't that uncommon in the Latter Rain movement.
10:31So they basically took the worship of the dead saints that they condemned the Catholics for
10:37and they brought it into Protestantism through this weird mythology.
10:41And like I said, this is developing in the United States,
10:45but in Russia, something very similar was evolving at the same time.
10:49Yeah, you're setting this up well with the notes I have coming up here.
10:54So the main point I'm looking here is what I'm thinking of as sort of a circle of apostasy.
11:00And so I'm thinking of Russian mysticism.
11:04That kind of occurred in several places through several key people,
11:08but you see it very clearly in Russian orthodoxy.
11:13And so something that occurred in Russia, which is more of a history lesson,
11:21but their instability became a breeding ground for apostasy.
11:27So there's a pretty much a direct link there.
11:30So the Russian Empire became the birthplace of terrorism and political struggle
11:35between roughly 1861 and roughly 1917.
11:42And there's all kinds of historical landmarks that happened in those time frames,
11:48which we wouldn't really want to have time to go into that.
11:51So it was a government under siege by its own population.
11:56How?
11:57One, by searching ways to crush the terrorism, which was so rampant.
12:03Two, by shattering traditional views of morality and restraints against killing people.
12:10That's pretty extreme.
12:12And three, by promoting a mentality in which everything and anything is permitted.
12:17As a result, the Russian dream, you know, we hear the kind of like the American dream,
12:23make America great again.
12:25The Russian dream was born out of largely a suppressed, uneducated faction of peasants
12:34who often turned to mysticism for the answers to the problems they saw.
12:41It also grew out of something which we've seen happen here in the United States at various times.
12:46It grew out of rejection of the intellectual scholasticism of both Catholics and Protestants.
12:54So this allowed the Russian Orthodox Church to incorporate unorthodox practices.
13:00For them, it included political utopianism, and that goes into some clear political movements
13:06that we could look into, and to religious esotericism.
13:12Are there, here's one of those rhetorical questions,
13:15but are there parallels with the Russian dream and current tendencies of instability in America?
13:24You know, it's funny, and that leads me back to the movie that I was watching
13:27and what led to all of my curiosity in this.
13:31So the movie I was mentioning was The Kingsman.
13:33I don't know if you've seen it, but it is a great, great movie,
13:36and they're talking about Rasputin.
13:38And so Rasputin, anybody who's unfamiliar with this,
13:41this is very much like we see with the NAR today.
13:44This is a religious entity being a cult led by Grigory Rasputin.
13:50I think I said that correctly.
13:52And he convinces, you know, the powers that be that he has this mystical power connection to God.
13:58And I want to clarify one thing that you said.
14:00You're talking about it's through the Russian orthodoxy.
14:04However, if you look at Russian orthodoxy to the Russian church to this extremism,
14:12as you do Christianity to Protestantism to this Protestant extremism that we have,
14:19it is the extremism on both sides.
14:21The extremist cult that has the mystic views that can mystify the powers that be
14:27and take over power structures and governments, etc.
14:31You're having that happen in Russia.
14:33Well, what's interesting is the time frame of all of this,
14:36because the Russian, as this is happening,
14:39it was after this that we start to see this really becoming a push in the United States.
14:44The United States, certain devious characters wanted to take over the government,
14:49and what better way to do it than through religion?
14:52It largely failed during the early years as they're attempting to do this.
14:56But now I look at it, and I have the same rhetorical question you have.
15:00Did they actually do it?
15:01Is that what's happening now?
15:03Yeah.
15:04Yeah, John, and a point well taken about to clarify,
15:08because anything you say about any of these movements or individuals,
15:13you have to kind of take it with a grain of salt,
15:16because there's so much more background to it.
15:18And you can't overgeneralize and say that everybody in the Russian Orthodox churches
15:26are fanatics or something like that.
15:27That would be incorrect.
15:29But that does lead to something more like when you laid out the example of Protestant,
15:40Lateran, NAR.
15:41Okay, obviously not all Protestants are in the NAR.
15:45And then you lay out this typical, I mean, this similar parallel with Russian Christians,
15:54Russian mysticism, Eastern Orthodox Christians.
15:59And they're not all identical to one another.
16:03So that's a good point.
16:05So one of the points, though, that I found very interesting,
16:09and we even talked about it, and I said at the point,
16:13I forgot which video this was in, but I said,
16:16I may be shooting from the hip here, so don't quote me.
16:19And I found that I was basically correct that there was a movement in Russia which the leader claimed to be Christ.
16:31Well, how many times we've ever heard that happen in different movements and religious sects?
16:36So he claimed to be Christ and his followers, because they were persecuted so much,
16:41went from Russia to other locations.
16:45And some of them even made their way over to the United States.
16:48And so we'll get into that.
16:51And yeah, Mr. Rasputin has a little moment to shine coming up here.
16:56So one of the mystical groups that I was pretty much unaware of,
16:59except for that vague thing I was talking about,
17:02it's spelled K-H-L-Y-S-T-Y.
17:08Kliste is what they call them.
17:10So the Kliste, who were they and what were they like?
17:13Well, it so happens that a fellow named Danilo Filipovic,
17:20I'm going to have a good time at names today,
17:23claimed to be a Christ.
17:25So in 1645, he founded the Kliste religion or sect.
17:31It has been said to be the root of all Russian sectarianism.
17:36So that's a big statement, but there's some evidence to support it.
17:41Filipovic was eventually arrested for spreading so-called demonic illnesses.
17:48And so the government did not like what he was up to.
17:52His followers would beat themselves in self-flagulation to be made what they called martyrs.
18:00So if anybody's seen the movie, The Da Vinci Code, 2003,
18:07there was a monk, an albino monk named Silas.
18:12And at one point in the movie, his back is exposed.
18:15He's got numerous scars from the same thing,
18:19beating yourself, quote, into submission to Christ.
18:22But incorrect way of viewing things, I would say.
18:25So this group held secret vadinye ceremonies,
18:32and they called them times of rejoicing,
18:36vaguely similar to what we might call praising worship service.
18:43But something interesting that you would relate to, John,
18:47is that just like William Brannan,
18:48after his death, myths arose about Filipovic's resurrection and second coming.
18:57And you go back to the Bible, it says there will be Christs and false Christs.
19:01And when you read this, you don't think that people will actually do it.
19:05Who would be stupid enough to do that?
19:07And who would have the gall to do it and call themselves Christian
19:11when the Bible so plainly says this?
19:13But you have to understand the way that these guys do it is,
19:18in many cases, they won't outright say that they are the Christ.
19:22What they will instead do is they will drop hints for you to follow,
19:25little breadcrumbs, to lead you to that conclusion.
19:29And after they've hooked enough people to believing that they are the Christ,
19:33then they can openly declare, yes, I am.
19:35Or sometimes they, like William Brannan, he did the same thing.
19:39And it wasn't until the last, I want to say it was like 30 days before he died,
19:44was the only time that he ever declared it fairly publicly.
19:48And even then, he didn't come out and say, I'm the Christ.
19:51Instead, he said, the Elijah of this day is the Christ.
19:55But he had convinced his followers that he was this Elijah.
19:59So they leave you these breadcrumbs,
20:01and they set themselves up to be beyond the super apostle.
20:05They are the Messiah.
20:05Yeah, yeah.
20:07And one of the things that I find extremely interesting,
20:10not good, but this is a question I kind of posed to myself
20:16as I was gathering information.
20:19I said to myself,
20:21how do the beliefs and practices of the Kliste compare with those of the Nahr
20:26and their ideological forerunners?
20:29So, here's what I came up with in my searches.
20:34Just like the 17th century mystic Jane Lee,
20:38they became known for the elitist claims to, quote, personify Christ.
20:44This was a big deal for her.
20:46She said that over and over and over in her writings.
20:49You don't necessarily hear that in the Nahr,
20:52but you get pretty much the equivalent of it in how they carry out their doctrines.
21:00Like many esotericists, they say that Jesus was just one of many
21:06who became filled with the Spirit of Christ.
21:09You get that implied in some people with the Nahr
21:12and some manifest sons of God teachers,
21:15but it's even more clear in the esoteric world.
21:20They also claimed that the leaders of each of their congregations,
21:24which they called arks, as in a ship, an ark,
21:29each one of those arks had its own Christ and its own mother of God.
21:36So, kind of like the Moody's, you know,
21:38you got the Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother.
21:42The cleast day would chant what they called the Jesus Prayer
21:48over and over to experience the presence of God.
21:53Now, if you've done, John, I know you've done this.
21:56I'm not sure who's listening, if they've heard about this before.
22:00But pretty much you can say anything from the Bible, from just nonsense.
22:06You can, you know, chant phrases from Buddha.
22:09And if you do it enough, you're kind of zoned out
22:13and you get a mild, euphoric, mild, hypnotic state.
22:18So, they would say the Jesus Prayer over and over
22:20and they would say, oh, it's the presence of God.
22:22Here's what they called the Jesus Prayer.
22:25Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
22:29So, you can hear that's scriptural,
22:32but it's use becomes the vain babblings and repetitions of the pagans,
22:39Christ inferred.
22:41Like participants of the latter rain and the nar,
22:44prolonged fasting was promoted.
22:47As a result, they became known as the post-Nika,
22:52also called the fasters, loosely translated.
22:56This one was a bit odd.
23:00They were very extreme.
23:02Rather than submit themselves to what they saw as apostasy,
23:05leading to the advent of the Antichrist,
23:09some would actually set themselves on fire,
23:11calling this the baptism of fire.
23:15Okay, yeah, that's in scripture,
23:16but it's not meant to be carried out in that way.
23:20Also, like someone else, like the Valentinian Gnostics,
23:24they were instructed to keep their rituals secret.
23:27I wonder why.
23:29To guard the secrecy,
23:32they would be Russian Orthodox outwardly
23:36to kind of keep things cool with the public
23:40and with their fellow villagers,
23:42but they would be kliste inwardly.
23:46You know, I have very little to say
23:47because I don't know much about this group.
23:49However, arrested for spreading these demonic illnesses,
23:55it makes me think back to one of the things
23:57that Branham did in the revivals
23:59was he claimed that as his position of super prophet
24:03or super apostle,
24:04he had the ability to condemn people
24:07and in doing so give them cancers or various diseases,
24:12which he was claiming to be,
24:14these were demonic possessions.
24:16So he's literally saying he can give you this
24:19if you question his authority.
24:21And people believed it.
24:23And we have an example.
24:24If you go to my website,
24:25type in the man from Windsor.
24:27There's this one guy that he says,
24:30this guy, I was passing out these prayer cards
24:32and this guy figured out that
24:34I was having the people write the name
24:37and the address on the card
24:38and then I was just reading the cards.
24:40So he was going to fake an illness on his card
24:42and I struck him down
24:44and he died right there on the platform.
24:46And then he tells the story again
24:48and he says,
24:49and the guy ran screaming from the platform.
24:52And he tells,
24:52I mean, there's,
24:53I don't know how many variations to the story,
24:55but there's so many you can tell.
24:56It clearly was made up.
24:58Otherwise, it would have stuck in his head.
25:00But he's doing the same thing.
25:02He's casting these demons.
25:03And I, you know, in this one aspect,
25:06I'm not a big fan of Russia,
25:08but in this one aspect,
25:09I think people like this should be arrested.
25:11Yeah, I agree.
25:14Now, this could probably be something that,
25:19because you brought up Rasputin,
25:22there are some things,
25:24if you've got some younger listeners,
25:25you might call this PG-13,
25:28some of the stuff coming up here.
25:30But the next thing I had here
25:32for this group
25:34and some other mystical groups in Russia
25:36was drunk in the spirit
25:39and the pleasures of the flesh.
25:42Somehow these two came together.
25:44So, very similar to Sufi dervishes,
25:49the effect of their whirling circle dance
25:52was said to be like spiritual beer.
25:55Hmm.
25:56Okay.
25:56If you think really hard about some praise and worship services,
26:00especially those that are very cult-like,
26:02spiritual beers,
26:05not too far off the mark.
26:07So, after this dance,
26:09where they're whirling around,
26:11the worshipers would fall to the floor.
26:13Some, at least they were said
26:15to then engage in group sinning,
26:18which they believed would purify them
26:20from the lusts of the flesh.
26:22Like the medieval brethren of the free spirit,
26:25it was through this time
26:27of sinful, quote, rejoicing
26:29that salvation could be attained.
26:31And this could only be
26:34by total repentance
26:35that was salvation to be obtained
26:39because unless you'd sinned completely,
26:43you cannot be completely saved,
26:45was their logic on that one.
26:48And so, to rejoice in this way,
26:51they met in a secret location
26:53where they so-called called down the spirit.
26:56They did this like the many modern-day people
26:59who produced the presence in the NAR.
27:02In other words,
27:03like those who participated
27:04in the Toronto Blessing in 1994,
27:09the Cliste would rejoice
27:10through rhythmic movements,
27:12ecstatic dancing,
27:14speaking in tongues,
27:15or if they thought was speaking in tongues,
27:17and falling to the ground in convulsions.
27:20Oddly, they then drank Clvass,
27:26which is a mild alcoholic beverage
27:28and ate pastries.
27:29So, I think they had one up on the Toronto guys.
27:33At least they got to have some pastries.
27:35So, Cliste practices are brought to life
27:38further by a man named Edvard Radvinsky,
27:42and he wrote A Personal Encounter of Rodinie Ritual,
27:48which was Rodinie as their celebration,
27:52and he wrote this in 1964,
27:55so you can see that they were continuing on
27:59for quite some time.
28:01According to Rodinie,
28:03quote,
28:04White flaxen shirts were worn over their naked bodies
28:08as they went down to the cellar of a peasant lodge.
28:12Then they lit candles
28:13and started to chant repeatedly
28:16the Jesus Prayer.
28:18They would then start the time of
28:20so-called rejoicing
28:22by whirling around in place,
28:24crossing themselves,
28:26which oddly they do a different way.
28:28I can't duplicate it,
28:29but it's different than typical Catholic
28:31would cross themselves,
28:32slightly different.
28:34And they would continually whip their bodies
28:36as I said,
28:39you know,
28:39that flagellation thing.
28:41Some started screaming and sobbing.
28:45Then the Christ of their ark cried out,
28:47Brothers,
28:48I feel the Holy Spirit,
28:50God is within me.
28:51He then began to prophesy,
28:54shouted out incoherent words
28:56mixed with these intelligible words,
29:00O Spirit,
29:01O God,
29:02O Lord.
29:03Have you ever wondered
29:04how the Pentecostal movement started?
29:06Or how the progression
29:07of modern Pentecostalism
29:09transitioned through the latter reign,
29:12charismatic,
29:12and other fringe movements
29:14into the New Apostolic Reformation?
29:16You can learn this and more
29:18on William Branham Historical Research's website,
29:21william-branham.org.
29:24On the books page of the website,
29:26you can find the compiled research
29:27of John Collins,
29:29Charles Paisley,
29:30Stephen Montgomery,
29:31John McKinnon,
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30:02So I hate to admit it,
30:03but you lost me at pastries.
30:05My mind went straight to that
30:06and I'm hungry.
30:08And I'm thinking,
30:10why in all of these services
30:11that we had
30:12all of these similar things,
30:13why did they not pass out
30:14the pastries?
30:15Because then it wouldn't
30:16have been so bad.
30:18But what you said in that,
30:20I want to pause just a second
30:22because I don't think people
30:23realize the implications of this.
30:25you can have the same
30:28ecstatic experiences
30:29simply by getting yourself
30:31into this mental state
30:32where you are susceptible
30:34to those spiritual experiences,
30:37but without the pastries.
30:39You can hype yourself up
30:40and you can have a
30:41quote-unquote
30:42spiritual revelation
30:43just by getting into
30:44that mental state,
30:45that euphoria.
30:47And it really,
30:48it's a psychological technique
30:50more than it is
30:50a religious thing.
30:52However,
30:53if you're in the
30:54Pentecostal variations
30:55or the charismatic variations
30:56of Christianity,
30:58you are trained to believe
30:59that by entering
31:01that psychological state,
31:02it is a spiritual experience
31:03and therefore anything
31:05that comes out of it
31:06is from God.
31:07The problem
31:08and the question
31:09that's raised is
31:09when you can do it
31:11without having anything
31:13to do with Jesus
31:14or Christianity,
31:16you could go
31:17with your blueberry pastries
31:19and have the same experience.
31:21can you really say
31:22that that blueberry pastry
31:23gave you a heavenly experience?
31:25I don't think so.
31:26Yeah, I think it would have
31:27to be a strawberry pastry
31:28actually to make it work.
31:30But no,
31:31that's a good point, John.
31:33So,
31:33what always comes up
31:35in my mind
31:36when I'm looking
31:37at these things
31:38is who influenced
31:40the Cleaste?
31:41I didn't take too much
31:43searching
31:43until I found
31:45somebody who
31:46influenced
31:47Jane Leade
31:48who is probably
31:49one of the central people
31:50of the entire
31:51occult world
31:52who influenced
31:53Helena Blavatsky
31:56and even
31:59Satanists
32:00like Alistair Crowley
32:01look at this guy
32:02and say,
32:02oh yeah,
32:03he was really something.
32:04And that is
32:05the German mystic
32:06Jacob Bohm
32:08or Jacob Bohm.
32:10So,
32:11he had
32:11a very significant
32:13influence
32:13on
32:14some other
32:16Russian mystics
32:17but this
32:18included
32:18the Cleaste
32:18and to be
32:20more specific
32:21Bohm's ideas
32:22were brought
32:23to Russia
32:23in the 17th century.
32:25What a busy time
32:26that was spiritually
32:27by a fellow
32:29who I probably
32:30got to mispronounce
32:31his first name
32:32Kieranus Kulin
32:34and Kulin
32:35traveled to Moscow
32:37and began
32:37to spread
32:38Bohm's mystical
32:39revelations.
32:41In 1669
32:43at the age
32:44of 18
32:44Kulin
32:45said that he
32:46had a vision
32:47of Jesus.
32:48Well,
32:49when did he
32:49have this
32:50vision of Jesus?
32:51It was
32:51directly after
32:52reading
32:53Bohm's
32:54work
32:55called
32:55The Mysterium
32:56Magnum.
32:58Kulin's followers
32:59believed that he
33:01would bring in
33:01the new millennium.
33:03This is
33:04kind of a
33:05mouthful here
33:06but
33:06I'll try to
33:08break it
33:08downwards
33:08so it's
33:09easy to
33:09understand.
33:10similar to
33:12Norfolk
33:13who are
33:14following this
33:15urge to
33:15take dominion
33:16to establish
33:18the seven
33:18mountains
33:19and then
33:20carry out
33:21the written
33:21judgments of
33:22God.
33:23Similar to
33:23that,
33:24Kulin
33:25said that
33:25his goal
33:26was to
33:26have
33:27Protestants
33:28and
33:28Ottomans
33:29join forces
33:31to destroy
33:32Catholic Europe
33:33and the
33:34Pope
33:34in order
33:35to establish
33:36the kingdom
33:37of Jesus.
33:39Well,
33:40unfortunately
33:41for Coleman
33:41he was
33:42tortured and
33:43burned at
33:44the stake
33:44for heresy
33:45in 1689.
33:47So like I
33:48said Steve,
33:49you're going
33:50outside of my
33:51research a bit
33:52and my brain
33:53is crying
33:53squirrel.
33:54First you
33:54mentioned
33:54pastries
33:55and my
33:56head went
33:56there.
33:57We started
33:57talking about
33:58drinking,
33:58drunk in the
33:59spirit and
34:00the squirrel
34:02that hit me
34:02at that point
34:03was this
34:04lady that
34:05is known
34:05as Hatchet
34:06Granny.
34:07I don't
34:07know if
34:07you know
34:07this story
34:08but there
34:08was a
34:09lady literally
34:10nicknamed,
34:11elderly lady
34:12nicknamed
34:13Hatchet
34:13Granny.
34:14Her name
34:14was Carrie
34:15Nation and
34:16she would
34:16go into
34:16the bars
34:17and the
34:17saloons
34:18during
34:18Prohibition
34:19with a
34:19hatchet,
34:20a literal
34:20hatchet,
34:21and just
34:21smash all
34:22the beer
34:23and whiskey.
34:24And the
34:25funny part
34:26is you
34:27mentioned
34:28the circles
34:28that are
34:29happening
34:29here.
34:30So you
34:30have circles
34:31where people
34:31go into
34:31ecstasy
34:32and they
34:33can augment
34:34it by
34:34drinking and
34:35they assume
34:36this is a
34:36spiritual thing
34:37which obviously
34:38it's not.
34:39Well then it
34:40goes into
34:40these weird
34:41circles where
34:42any form of
34:43ecstasy is bad
34:44because we've
34:45seen the bad
34:46on this side.
34:47Now let's go to
34:48the far extreme
34:49to the other
34:49side where we're
34:51literally smashing
34:52property with a
34:53hatchet.
34:54And then it'll
34:54swing back again
34:55to in the
34:56NAR.
34:56I had a
34:57conversation
34:58earlier today
34:58where the
34:59leaders of
34:59the NAR
35:00are getting
35:01exposed for
35:02their drunken
35:02parties and
35:03some of them
35:04are in
35:05religions where
35:06you're not
35:06supposed to
35:06drink and
35:07they're a
35:07frame of
35:08mind.
35:08So it keeps
35:09going in
35:09these weird
35:10weird circles
35:10that spins.
35:12But in the
35:12end what
35:13you're saying
35:14is correct.
35:15People find
35:15ways to get
35:16into the
35:17spirit of
35:17ecstasy and
35:18you find
35:18some bozo
35:19who is just
35:20nutty enough
35:21to say I
35:22have a religion
35:23about this
35:24ecstasy and
35:24I'm going to
35:24teach you how
35:25this brings
35:26you closer
35:26to God
35:26but you
35:27need to
35:28get there
35:28through me.
35:29Yeah and
35:30you know
35:30what there's
35:30an expert
35:31that I'm
35:32sure you've
35:32well I'm
35:33absolutely
35:33sure you've
35:34read about
35:35his findings
35:36about this
35:37sort of stuff
35:38in religious
35:39cults.
35:40What we
35:41said when I
35:42got out of
35:42the group I
35:43was in
35:43what was
35:44very apparent
35:45was you
35:47could believe
35:47literally
35:48anything but
35:50if you went
35:50through these
35:50certain processes
35:51and ways
35:54to
35:55you know
35:55get your
35:57mind in
35:58this altered
35:58state of
35:59consciousness
36:00you would
36:01subscribe that
36:03to the
36:04belief system
36:05which is
36:06wrong
36:06it's
36:06backwards.
36:08So we'd
36:08have this
36:08joke about
36:10actually there
36:11was a
36:12religious cult
36:13actually it
36:13was kind
36:14of thumbing
36:15their nose
36:16at religious
36:17cults and
36:18they called
36:18it the
36:19Church of
36:20Bob
36:20all praise
36:22Bob
36:22and yada
36:23yada
36:23blah blah
36:23blah
36:24then they
36:24would do
36:25certain
36:25things to
36:26get them
36:26quote in
36:27the spirit
36:27of Bob
36:28and you
36:30know they
36:31would hyperventilate
36:31fall on the
36:32ground
36:32and say all
36:34these odd
36:35things but
36:36the fellow
36:37that I know
36:38you know
36:38I heard him
36:40once in a
36:41YouTube
36:41interview
36:42saying that
36:44he could take
36:45somebody because
36:46he's a
36:47psychologist
36:47psychiatrist
36:48they could
36:50take somebody
36:51and through
36:51a few
36:52suggestions
36:53make them
36:55see a bright
36:55shining light
36:56and he was
36:58not a mystical
36:58guy he was
36:59not highly
36:59religious but
37:00he just knew
37:01the right
37:02mental
37:02manipulations
37:03to demonstrate
37:04how easily
37:06and how
37:07possible it
37:08is to
37:09get folks
37:10to experience
37:11whatever you
37:11want them
37:12to and then
37:12that becomes
37:13the proof
37:13that the
37:15group they're
37:15in and the
37:16teachings of
37:17revelations
37:17are quote
37:18of God
37:18so like
37:20a lot of
37:20these groups
37:21the Caliste
37:22suffered a lot
37:23of persecution
37:24throughout their
37:26history this
37:28came pretty much
37:28from the
37:29government
37:29sometimes from
37:30other religions
37:31other factions
37:32the Orthodox
37:33Church
37:34and this
37:36actually pushed
37:37them to migrate
37:38from Russia
37:39to Romania
37:40that's the part
37:41that I'd
37:41remembered saying
37:42something about
37:43that in a
37:43previous podcast
37:45and yep
37:47the influential
37:48Russian
37:48Orthodox mystic
37:50Grigory
37:51Rasputin
37:52was investigated
37:54in 1903
37:55and in 1907
37:57under the
37:58charges of
37:59spreading
37:59Kliste
38:01doctrine
38:01okay like
38:03that was a
38:03bad thing
38:04the government
38:04didn't like
38:05that
38:05he was never
38:07found guilty
38:08but the
38:08rumors about
38:09this
38:09linked to
38:10him
38:10and the
38:11sect
38:11continued
38:12and like
38:13I said
38:13earlier
38:13that's
38:14the
38:14history
38:14that
38:14I saw
38:15in a
38:15movie
38:15but I
38:17had
38:17I had
38:17heard the
38:17history
38:18before the
38:18movie
38:18so I knew
38:19it existed
38:19but it wasn't
38:21until watching
38:21the movie
38:22that I began
38:22to piece
38:23together
38:23the links
38:24between the
38:25types of
38:26religion
38:26that I
38:26left
38:27and the
38:28types of
38:28the religion
38:29that take
38:29over the
38:29governments
38:30and I
38:31started to
38:31recognize
38:32wait a minute
38:32they are one
38:33in the same
38:34if you can
38:34bring
38:35anybody's
38:36mind
38:37into this
38:38spiritual
38:38state
38:38where
38:39they're
38:40in such
38:40a state
38:40of euphoria
38:41that they
38:41don't
38:42question
38:42you
38:42you can
38:43you can
38:44do anything
38:44I mean
38:45you can
38:45conquer
38:45the world
38:45like this
38:46so I'm
38:47watching
38:47Rasputin
38:47do this
38:48in a
38:48movie
38:49which is
38:49you know
38:50parts of
38:51the movie
38:51weren't
38:51quite
38:52historically
38:53accurate
38:53and I
38:54knew some
38:54of that
38:54history
38:55but the
38:56the part
38:56that's
38:57interesting
38:57the part
38:58that they
38:58went to
38:59the extremes
38:59with
39:00they were
39:01augmenting
39:01the power
39:02of this
39:03religion
39:03to such
39:04an extent
39:04that I
39:06think that
39:06they were
39:06trying to
39:07over exaggerate
39:08it but
39:09even miss
39:09the mark
39:10as to
39:10the level
39:11of control
39:11that actually
39:12can be
39:12achieved
39:13through these
39:13things
39:13and I'm
39:14going
39:14all that
39:15is in my
39:16head
39:16and I'm
39:16processing
39:16and realizing
39:17that we're
39:18in a dangerous
39:19place in the
39:19country today
39:20because we're
39:20seeing exactly
39:22that but
39:23under the name
39:23of Christianity
39:24in the United
39:25States
39:25yeah
39:26point well
39:27taken on
39:27that that's
39:28very accurate
39:29the thing I was
39:30thinking when you
39:30were saying
39:31that is
39:31I pretty
39:33much remember
39:34when my son
39:36was of the age
39:36of watching
39:37various
39:38Disney movies
39:40animated
39:41there must
39:42have been
39:42something that
39:43I saw
39:44where it
39:45was about
39:46the influence
39:47of
39:47Rasputin
39:49on
39:50Russian
39:51nobility
39:52and but
39:54he was
39:54again probably
39:56historically
39:57inaccurate to
39:58a large
39:58degree
39:59but yeah
40:00he's
40:00here's
40:01here's another
40:02one is
40:03that his
40:04name still
40:04comes up
40:05this way
40:06they say
40:07that in the
40:09same way
40:10that Steve
40:10Bannon
40:10influenced
40:11Trump
40:12in the
40:12same way
40:13that Dugan
40:14I mean
40:14Alexander Dugan
40:16influences
40:17Vladimir Putin
40:18they call
40:20Dugan
40:21I've heard
40:22him compared
40:23to the
40:23Rasputin
40:24of
40:25Vladimir Putin
40:27which is
40:28not a
40:28good thing
40:29yeah
40:29so now
40:31we get
40:31to something
40:31that is
40:32very interesting
40:33that caught
40:33my ear
40:34and it
40:35makes me
40:35want to
40:36learn more
40:36but I
40:37found out
40:38about these
40:39Sons of
40:40Freedom
40:40the Sons of
40:41Freedom
40:41were an
40:42offshoot
40:42of the
40:43Kalista
40:43so it's
40:44offshoot of
40:44an offshoot
40:45which I know
40:45you've said
40:46that many
40:46times John
40:47they splinter
40:49they go into
40:49different groups
40:50and sometimes
40:51maintain a lot
40:52of the original
40:53stuff but
40:54other times
40:55become really
40:56distinct
40:57so this
40:59is interesting
40:59with the
41:00financial support
41:01of the
41:02Russian
41:02Orthodox
41:03author
41:04Leo Tolstoy
41:05around
41:077500
41:08of the
41:09Sons of
41:10Freedom
41:10fled
41:11persecution
41:12moving to
41:13Canada
41:13between
41:141898
41:16and
41:171903
41:18so if
41:20you look
41:20into Tolstoy
41:21of course
41:22War and Peace
41:23and the
41:24many novels
41:26that he was
41:26famous for
41:27he was
41:30interesting
41:30in that
41:31he was
41:32orthodox
41:33in a sense
41:35and I
41:36think he
41:36might have
41:36been
41:37excommunicated
41:38at one
41:38point because
41:39his views
41:39were so
41:40contrary to
41:41the orthodox
41:42church
41:42so the
41:44Sons of
41:45Freedom
41:46rejected
41:47all forms
41:48of state
41:49interference
41:49such as
41:51compulsory
41:51education
41:52in government
41:53schools
41:53and the
41:54use of
41:54tax money
41:55for the
41:56military
41:56oddly
41:57they would
41:58protest
41:58these
41:59policies
41:59through
42:00arson
42:00and
42:02public
42:02nudity
42:03how that
42:04helped
42:04their cause
42:04I'm not
42:05really sure
42:05interestingly
42:07during 1947
42:10and 1948
42:11the Sons of
42:13Freedom
42:13performed many
42:14acts of
42:15arson and
42:16nudity in
42:17Saskatchewan
42:17I know Saskatchewan is a big place
42:20but it was the birthplace
42:22so to speak
42:23of the Lateran movement
42:24then in 1953
42:28174 of their children
42:30were forcibly
42:31detained by the
42:32government
42:33this led to
42:35more violent
42:36confrontations
42:37between the
42:38Sons of Freedom
42:39and the Royal
42:40Canadian
42:40Mountie Police
42:42and I can't
42:44help but
42:44say something
42:45about Dudley
42:46Do-Right
42:46in my head
42:47every time I say
42:48that
42:48in total
42:50the Sons of Freedom
42:51committed
42:511,112
42:54separate acts
42:55of arson
42:56this
42:57cost
42:58the government
42:59over
43:0020 million dollars
43:01in damages
43:02to public schools
43:03and they seem
43:04to like to hit
43:05railway bridges
43:07now here's a thought
43:09that
43:10they could be
43:11a bit controversial
43:12but
43:13it really hits me
43:14strongly
43:15kind of like you said
43:16we're in a dangerous
43:17spot
43:18how do these
43:19extreme forms
43:21of protest
43:22relate to
43:23current day
43:24unlawful
43:25detentions
43:26and the
43:27denial
43:27of civil
43:28liberties
43:29and that's
43:30really a hard
43:30question
43:31you know
43:31you mentioned
43:32the public
43:33nudity
43:34there's
43:35I don't know
43:35if you're familiar
43:36with this group
43:36but there is
43:37this music group
43:38called the
43:38Barenaked Ladies
43:39and I've
43:40seen
43:41Christian people
43:42just go berserk
43:43when they see
43:43the title
43:43just because
43:44the title
43:44has that word
43:45in it
43:45they go
43:46crazy
43:47however
43:48if you're
43:49walking down
43:49the street
43:50and you're
43:50not of that
43:51fundamentalist
43:52mindset
43:52and here's
43:53a sign
43:53that says
43:54Barenaked Ladies
43:55five dollars
43:56come listen
43:57it attracted
43:58all kinds of
43:58people
43:59it was
43:59it was
43:59actually
43:59a brilliant
44:00marketing
44:00strategy
44:01if you think
44:02about what
44:02they did
44:02but
44:04take that
44:04to levels
44:05weirder
44:06in the
44:07Christianity
44:07in
44:09latter reign
44:10there was
44:10this man
44:11by the name
44:11of
44:12Moses David
44:13Berg
44:13which you're
44:14probably
44:14familiar with
44:15he was
44:16attracting
44:16members
44:17to his
44:18cult
44:18through
44:19sex
44:20he would
44:20send
44:20these
44:21people
44:21out
44:21and
44:21they
44:21were
44:21called
44:22what did
44:23they call
44:23them
44:23the happy
44:23hookers
44:24for Jesus
44:24they had
44:25flashy
44:26fishers
44:28different names
44:29that they gave
44:30these ladies
44:30but that's
44:31what they were
44:31doing
44:31they were
44:31prostituting
44:32themselves
44:32and he
44:34was
44:34commissioned
44:35by God
44:36to be
44:37ordained
44:38as this
44:39minister
44:39whatever it
44:40was that
44:40he claimed
44:41by William
44:41Branham
44:42not many
44:42people
44:43recognize
44:43that
44:44but Branham
44:44is the
44:45one
44:45who
44:45started
44:45him
44:46and
44:47he
44:47got
44:48extradited
44:48or
44:48not
44:49extradited
44:50but he
44:50almost
44:50got
44:51caught
44:51and he
44:51moved
44:51out
44:52of
44:52the
44:52country
44:52and he
44:53started
44:53producing
44:54these
44:54very
44:55almost
44:57X-rated
44:57magazines
44:58and comic
44:59books
44:59and in
45:00the comic
45:00books
45:01it's weird
45:01because he's
45:01got all
45:02of this
45:02very
45:03very
45:03pornographic
45:04literature
45:05and material
45:06combined
45:07with praises
45:08of William
45:08Branham
45:09and one
45:09of his
45:10cult
45:10escapees
45:11sent me
45:11this
45:12where I'm
45:12headed
45:12with all
45:13of this
45:13is
45:13also mixed
45:15in with
45:15that
45:15is
45:16Christian
45:16identity
45:17because the
45:17roots of this
45:18was all
45:18Christian
45:19identity
45:19and if you
45:20follow those
45:21roots out to
45:22their extremes
45:22you have the
45:23same thing
45:24you have the
45:24rioting
45:25you have the
45:26damage of
45:26property
45:27you have all
45:27of this
45:28weirdness
45:28and it was
45:30being presented
45:31to the people
45:31as a religion
45:32as a
45:33fundamentalist
45:34one of
45:35one of the
45:35other
45:36articles
45:37of research
45:38that I
45:38had up
45:38recently
45:39was the
45:39defenders
45:40of the
45:40Christian
45:40faith
45:41it was
45:42a
45:42fundamentalist
45:43organization
45:44institution
45:44founded
45:45for the
45:46fighting
45:47of evolution
45:47and the
45:48spread
45:49of Christian
45:49identity
45:50and there
45:50were men
45:51famous men
45:52like Charles
45:53Fuller of
45:53the Fuller
45:53Theological
45:54Seminary
45:55from which
45:56C. Peter
45:57Wagner
45:57was you
45:58know
45:59gained his
45:59fame
46:00he was a
46:01member of
46:01the defender
46:02so he's
46:02in all
46:03of this
46:03you can't
46:04say that
46:05Fuller and
46:05the Fuller
46:06Theological
46:07Seminary
46:07are extremist
46:09to the
46:09level of
46:09violence
46:10but they're
46:11in a
46:11movement
46:11that is
46:12and that
46:12movement
46:13is tied
46:13to religion
46:14so you
46:14have levels
46:15of extreme
46:16and all
46:17of this
46:17extremism
46:18is branching
46:19off of the
46:19main sect
46:20of Christianity
46:21so these
46:23extreme sects
46:24are very
46:24dangerous
46:25yeah
46:25the part
46:26about the
46:27racial
46:27components
46:28with
46:28Moses
46:29David
46:29Berg
46:30you call
46:30himself
46:31he actually
46:34I imagine
46:35you probably
46:36saw this
46:36but he
46:37would use
46:38and promote
46:38the protocols
46:40of the elders
46:40of Zion
46:41the learned
46:42elders of Zion
46:43and
46:44obviously
46:46if you know
46:47about that
46:47text
46:48he was using
46:49that to
46:50excoriate
46:51Jews
46:52he also
46:53had some
46:54comments
46:54about
46:55blacks
46:57and the
46:58entire
46:58race
46:59that
47:01can only
47:02be called
47:02racist
47:03but
47:04the
47:05pamphlets
47:05you're talking
47:05about
47:06I actually
47:06I'd like
47:08to be able
47:08to unsee
47:09those
47:09but when I
47:10was helping
47:11to counsel
47:11people out
47:12of the
47:13children of
47:14God
47:14one of the
47:17bits of
47:17information
47:18we got
47:18a hold of
47:19the materials
47:20to understand
47:22the group
47:22and know
47:22okay this is
47:23what they've
47:23been accustomed
47:24to
47:24they were
47:26called
47:26mo letters
47:26and yeah
47:28they would
47:28say
47:28hookers for
47:29Jesus
47:29and they
47:30would say
47:30flirty fish
47:31so you
47:32go flirty
47:33fishing
47:33and this
47:35was apparently
47:36to use
47:38any means
47:39possible
47:40including
47:41sexuality
47:41and sexual
47:42favors to
47:43get people
47:43into the
47:44group
47:44and they
47:45actually had
47:46something that
47:47runs really
47:48parallel to
47:49the moonies
47:49you know
47:51the moonies
47:51would say
47:52heavenly
47:52deception
47:53so you
47:54can tell
47:55the world
47:56anything
47:56tell them
47:57yeah you're
47:58raising money
47:58for Christian
48:00rehab
48:00or for
48:01homeless
48:02children
48:02and in
48:03fact it's
48:04going straight
48:04to Reverend
48:05Moon and
48:06his organization
48:07well the
48:09children of
48:09God have
48:10a similar
48:10idea
48:11and some
48:13people
48:14ex-members
48:14of the group
48:15that I met
48:15they said
48:17they used
48:17this phrase
48:18they called
48:18the world
48:19people in
48:19the world
48:20were
48:20systemites
48:21so you
48:22could lie
48:23to him
48:23steal
48:24do whatever
48:24you want
48:25and you
48:26were not
48:27beholden
48:27to act
48:28by any
48:30Christian
48:31standards
48:31because they
48:32the world
48:33were obviously
48:34not of
48:37Christ
48:37they were of
48:38the devil
48:38therefore that
48:39means you
48:39can use the
48:40devil's
48:40tactics to
48:41get what
48:42was stolen
48:43from the
48:44church
48:44from his
48:45version of
48:46Christianity
48:47so yeah
48:48terrible
48:48terrible
48:49group
48:49another
48:51thing
48:52that came
48:53a little
48:54bit more
48:54current
48:55day
48:55mysticism
48:57in Russian
48:59Orthodox
48:59Church
49:00was what
49:01they called
49:02Inocentism
49:03and this
49:04was a
49:05Christian
49:05charismatic
49:06group
49:08that split
49:10off from
49:11the Russian
49:11Orthodox
49:11Church
49:12they were
49:13active in
49:14both the
49:14Soviet Union
49:15and in
49:16Romania
49:16in the
49:17early
49:1820th
49:18century
49:18they were
49:20followers
49:20of a
49:21guy named
49:22Loan
49:22Levizor
49:24who took
49:25on the
49:25monastic
49:26name of
49:27Inocente
49:28aka the
49:30heavenly
49:31emperor
49:31okay that's
49:32what it
49:33basically
49:33translates to
49:34Levizor
49:36claimed to
49:37have heard a
49:38voice tell
49:38him
49:39the time
49:40has come
49:41hurry up
49:41three days
49:42later he
49:43said he
49:44saw the
49:45mother of
49:45God
49:46in order to
49:48hurry up
49:48he preached
49:49that the
49:49antichrist
49:50would soon
49:50appear in
49:51Russia
49:51are Christians
49:53today being
49:54told to
49:55hurry up
49:56at the
49:57expense of
49:58sound
49:58doctrine
49:59and with
49:59that I
49:59would say
50:00absolutely
50:00we see
50:02that fear
50:02is probably
50:03the strongest
50:04tie that
50:05binds people
50:05to the
50:06cult
50:06there's this
50:07fear of
50:07urgency
50:08there's this
50:09fear that
50:09the antichrist
50:10is coming
50:10I grew up
50:11with this
50:11fear
50:12the antichrist
50:13had set up
50:14its kingdom
50:14in various
50:15places
50:15depending on
50:16which sermon
50:17you listen
50:18to
50:18there's a
50:18little bit
50:19of conflict
50:19there
50:19but in
50:20the end
50:20they were
50:21coming to
50:21invade the
50:22United States
50:23which ultimately
50:24was the
50:24Christian identity
50:25doctrine
50:25they were
50:26saying that
50:26they're coming
50:27into the
50:27United States
50:28they would
50:28soon set up
50:29our kingdom
50:29here
50:30so we were
50:31taught to be
50:31afraid of
50:32this happening
50:33and that
50:33fear
50:34binds people
50:35and there's
50:35always that
50:36hint of
50:36urgency
50:37if you can
50:38add a hint
50:39of urgency
50:40to whatever
50:40is your
50:41platform
50:41people
50:42were
50:42they're like
50:43oh my gosh
50:44I must
50:44hurry
50:44I must
50:44make the
50:45decision
50:45I must
50:46stay
50:46and that's
50:47what binds
50:47it all
50:48together
50:48okay so
50:49more about
50:50Levizor and
50:51his followers
50:51is this
50:53they believed
50:54that he was
50:55the Holy Spirit
50:56in human form
50:57and based on
50:59that belief
50:59they claimed
51:00that he could
51:00do many
51:01miracles
51:02Levizor
51:04would allegedly
51:05ascend to
51:06heaven
51:06every evening
51:07as one of
51:08the miracles
51:08he would
51:09perform
51:09like William
51:11Branham
51:11and many
51:12other false
51:13prophets
51:13Levizor
51:15set a date
51:15for the
51:16end of the
51:16world
51:17this is a
51:18problem
51:18when somebody
51:19does that
51:19because it's
51:21hard to
51:21backtrack
51:22it
51:22as many
51:23groups have
51:23found out
51:24he stated
51:25that the
51:25world would
51:26end on
51:26April the
51:2712th
51:281913
51:29this led
51:31him to
51:31ban all
51:32marriages
51:33and to
51:33praise free
51:34love as
51:35a gift
51:36for the
51:36new
51:36Jerusalem
51:37in 1914
51:39according to
51:40his followers
51:41Levizor was
51:43captured and
51:44subjected to
51:45the most
51:45horrifying
51:46tortures
51:47for 40 days
51:48he was chained
51:49crowned and
51:50with thorns
51:51on his head
51:52and made to
51:53sit naked
51:54on broken
51:55glass
51:56that's in
51:57their
51:57account
51:58Levizor's
52:00followers were
52:01subjected to
52:02Stalin's
52:03great purge
52:04which was
52:05basically from
52:061936 to
52:081938
52:08this great
52:10purge
52:10included
52:11anarchist
52:12nuns
52:13who were
52:13executed for
52:15so-called
52:16committing
52:16crimes against
52:17the state
52:18so as
52:20we know
52:21in history
52:22Lenin
52:24Stalin
52:24Mao
52:26a lot of
52:27folks
52:27Hitler
52:27would claim
52:29that people
52:29were committing
52:30crimes against
52:32the state
52:32and therefore
52:33lock them up
52:34throw away the
52:35key or
52:36go ahead and
52:36execute them
52:37then in
52:391947
52:4010 anarchist
52:42leaders were
52:43sent to
52:43Joseph Stalin's
52:45corrective
52:46labor camps
52:47aka the
52:49gulag system
52:50which is
52:50essentially like
52:51like Hitler's
52:53concentration
52:54camps
52:55but they
52:56gave it a
52:57euphemistic
52:58name
52:58you know
53:00that maybe
53:00like they've
53:01got bad
53:01karma if
53:02you're talking
53:02new age
53:03oh yeah
53:04we're just
53:04going to send
53:05you to a
53:05corrective
53:06labor camp
53:07no this is
53:08not punishment
53:09we'll take
53:10good care of
53:11you so
53:11anyway that's
53:12what happened
53:13to the leaders
53:13of that group
53:14and the only
53:14interesting
53:15comment that I
53:16have for that
53:17which is
53:18it's a little
53:19bit out there
53:19but not many
53:20people are aware
53:20of this
53:21William Branham
53:23worked closely
53:24with a
53:24congressman
53:25William D
53:25Upshaw
53:26who was the
53:26head of the
53:27prohibition
53:27movement
53:28Upshaw was
53:29also a leader
53:29in the Klan
53:30and defended
53:31the Klan
53:31in Washington
53:32well Upshaw
53:34joined into
53:35the latter rain
53:35movement
53:36and he was a
53:37strong promoter
53:38of Branham's
53:39ministries
53:39right across the
53:41river in
53:42Louisville Kentucky
53:42there's a
53:43history museum
53:43and they
53:44for a while
53:44they had this
53:45big section
53:46of William D
53:47Upshaw
53:48and how
53:48William Branham
53:49had healed
53:49him
53:49right in
53:50this museum
53:51in Louisville
53:51well I
53:54can't remember
53:54what year
53:55it was
53:55sometime in
53:56the 50s
53:57the latter rain
53:59guys sent
54:00this letter
54:01to Joseph
54:02Stalin
54:02and William
54:04Branham's
54:04signature was
54:05on it
54:05he talks about
54:06it on
54:06recording
54:07how they
54:07were trying
54:08to I guess
54:09convert Stalin
54:10during his
54:10last days
54:11of his
54:11ministry
54:12or last
54:13days of
54:13his empire
54:14where it
54:15gets really
54:15odd is
54:16there's a
54:16period of
54:17time in
54:17which
54:18everybody
54:18in the
54:19United
54:19States
54:19is so
54:20strongly
54:20against
54:21Russia
54:21and
54:21communism
54:22and they
54:23think that
54:23it is
54:24the
54:24antichrist
54:25that's
54:25spreading
54:25throughout
54:26the
54:26movement
54:26Branham
54:27himself
54:27did the
54:28same
54:28thing
54:28but in
54:29the moments
54:30when they're
54:30trying to
54:31convert him
54:31Branham
54:32condemns
54:33anybody
54:33who says
54:34that Stalin
54:34is the
54:35antichrist
54:36he says
54:37those two
54:37spirits
54:38will be so
54:38close
54:38they'll deceive
54:39the very
54:39elect
54:40if possible
54:40it's not
54:41Stalin
54:41and then
54:42later
54:43he changes
54:43his tune
54:44because
54:44apparently
54:45Stalin
54:45never
54:46converted
54:46to
54:46latter
54:47reign
54:47yeah
54:48it's a
54:49crazy
54:49world
54:50now
54:50I can
54:51tell you
54:51John
54:52just
54:52whatever
54:53your
54:54schedule
54:54looks good
54:54for it
54:56this
54:58as always
54:59happens
55:00unlock the
55:01door to
55:01a lot
55:02of other
55:02stuff
55:03and it's
55:04probably
55:04it's probably
55:05something
55:06if you'd
55:06like to
55:06do
55:06in the
55:07future
55:07there's
55:07pretty
55:08much
55:08a
55:08part
55:11two
55:11to
55:12the
55:12Russian
55:12mysticism
55:13and
55:14just
55:16a lot
55:16of
55:16fascinating
55:17folks
55:17and
55:18absolutely
55:19some
55:19of them
55:19have
55:19some
55:20actual
55:20real
55:21ties
55:22to
55:22folks
55:24in
55:24the
55:24latter
55:24reign
55:25or
55:25folks
55:25that
55:25influence
55:26latter
55:26reign
55:27so
55:27like
55:27John
55:28Portage
55:28there's
55:29a big
55:30connection
55:30between
55:31him
55:31and
55:31some
55:31of
55:31the
55:32Russian
55:32mystics
55:32so
55:33well
55:33thank
55:33you
55:33so
55:34much
55:34for
55:34doing
55:34this
55:34Steve
55:35I
55:35enjoyed
55:35it
55:36John
55:36well
55:36if
55:36you've
55:37enjoyed
55:37our
55:37show
55:37and
55:37you
55:37want
55:38more
55:38information
55:38you can
55:38check
55:39us
55:39out
55:39on
55:39the
55:39web
55:39you
55:40can
55:40find
55:40us
55:40at
55:40william-brannum.org
55:42for more
55:43about the
55:43dark side
55:44of the
55:44new
55:44apostolic
55:44reformation
55:45you can
55:46read
55:46weaponized
55:46religion
55:47from
55:47Christian
55:48identity
55:48to
55:48the
55:49NAR
55:49and
55:50for
55:50more
55:50about
55:50the
55:50converging
55:51apostasy
55:52you can
55:52read
55:52the
55:52book
55:53the
55:53converging
55:54apostasy
55:54and
55:55also
55:55a
55:56quick
55:56outline
55:56on
55:57hands-on
55:57eschatology
55:58a
55:58matter
55:59of
55:59timing
55:59and
55:59agency
56:08however
56:09it
56:10it
56:11can
56:13take
56:15a
56:15hour
56:16to
56:16to
56:17the
56:19last
56:20one
56:20two
56:21one
56:23two
56:25one
56:25the
56:25two
56:27and
56:29the
56:30one
56:32one
56:34two
56:34three
56:35one
56:36one
56:36two
56:36two
56:37and
56:38We'll see you next time.