- 7/23/2025
How much better is this '25 #Patriots team than '24?
Is it even better?? How important is Campbell to this team's success? #nfl
Is it even better?? How important is Campbell to this team's success? #nfl
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00:00And Curtis alluded to it. It is day one of training camp. Jones and Keefe are there and will be there from 10 until 2 today.
00:09And they will share exactly what is going on out there. Training camp day number one.
00:14Shatam, are you on the over or the under? I cannot remember where you stand.
00:17Of win total for the season? I am on the under because I believe they'll be at 7 or 8 and the win total is 8.5.
00:23Curtis is way over at 10, which I think is a little aggressive.
00:26I do often get told I'm too optimistic.
00:28I do. I do think nine is doable.
00:32Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't be shocked.
00:33I think Vegas did their job.
00:36The 8.5 is the right number.
00:38I think nine is the expectation.
00:40And we had this conversation.
00:41You always bring that up.
00:43I think your expectation is high.
00:44I think there's a lot of people who, like the rest of you,
00:49but I think there's a lot of people who look at where they were last season.
00:53Right.
00:54Win total wise.
00:56And they really give them three.
00:57They don't give them four.
00:58And so think that it's a giant leap to take if you're going to get up to nine.
01:04I mean, if you think there are seven win team, then you don't think Vrabel's a very good coach.
01:08I think a lot of people have them at six wins.
01:10Like I, Shimes even said that at some point, like to double their, their win totals.
01:14Because again, a lot of people say three, not four to say six wins.
01:17Some people are like, well, they doubled what they did last year.
01:20Right.
01:20But I think you're looking at it wrong.
01:21Right.
01:22I don't, I'm not, I have them at nine.
01:24I'm just saying that.
01:24Right.
01:25I'm saying people who go double in the wins or whatever.
01:27I think they're looking at that wrong.
01:29They're going about it.
01:30They're just going, okay, this is where they were last year.
01:33You should be able to double.
01:34Okay.
01:34No, I look at it when you look at last year, the wins that they, where they were when wise
01:41was more about maybe coaching decisions, what was going on, all of that.
01:47So if you think there are six win team, wait, you think last season was a result of only coaching?
01:52No, I think that result, that was a part of the coaching, the element of them waiting all
01:59the way until whatever week it was to say, Drake may is going to be a guy that was, that
02:04that was coaching and that was Elliot Wolf or Elliot Wolf acting on Robert Kraft.
02:09Right.
02:09And do you guys agree that they would have been two and oh, if, if Drake may started the
02:13season, they beat the Seahawks.
02:15If Drake may is the quarterback.
02:16Yeah.
02:16I do think, I think it would have been different.
02:18I think that they, so yes.
02:20So I understand that argument.
02:22So that's part of it.
02:23So when I look at where they were win wise last year, yeah, I understand it's personnel and
02:28players to a certain extent, but I also look at Mike Vrabel and what he'll do.
02:34Differently than what we saw last year.
02:37And I look at Josh McDaniels on how he'll call a different, he'll call a different game,
02:41how his game plans will be different.
02:43So when I look at this football team, I go, I believe Mike Vrabel is a really good head
02:49coach.
02:49And so a good head coach will have this team above eight wins.
02:55If you don't think this team is going to be above eight wins, then you don't believe
03:00Mike Vrabel is a good head coach.
03:02So is it a failure year one for Mike Vrabel if they're not above eight wins?
03:05Yeah.
03:05If they're at six or seven wins, yes.
03:07And do you think the diehards, like that's what they expect is they expect at least eight
03:11wins?
03:12Yeah.
03:12I don't know how you look at this team.
03:15They are much better.
03:16The roster is much better.
03:19Not as good as it could have been, but it is much better than it was last year.
03:22Do we all agree?
03:23Yes.
03:24I don't, I would not say much better.
03:25Okay.
03:25Is the offensive line much better?
03:27No.
03:27What are you talking about?
03:29Curtis, the offensive line, we don't even know how good this offensive line is going
03:32to be.
03:32Moses can walk on water.
03:34On one who might be 400 pounds and not on the team.
03:37Okay.
03:38Like Cole Strange sucks.
03:39Garrett Bradbury got cut by the Vikings, who are one of the best teams in football.
03:43And then, and then you drafted Will Campbell, a guy that not even everybody is convinced
03:47can play left tackle.
03:48Okay.
03:48So if, if Will Campbell can't play left tackle, then they're all dumb because they
03:52use the fourth pick.
03:53I agree.
03:54I totally agree.
03:54So you think that Vrabel and this, in this crew were not long for their job?
03:58No, I, I didn't say that.
04:00I said that they, they may have made a massive mistake.
04:02You can't, you can't mess up a top five pick and keep your job long-term.
04:06I mean, people have done it before, but okay.
04:08Very rare.
04:09Okay.
04:09And they, and they spend their way out of it.
04:10Not when it comes to offensive linemen generally.
04:12If you're talking about a quarterback in the top five, sure.
04:14But, but if Drake may fails because he has no time again this year, then that's
04:18on the time is constantly making potential excuses for Drake.
04:22I'm not making excuses.
04:23It really is exhausting.
04:24You know that.
04:25Like you guys are just like, you're, you're out of control with this optimism.
04:29This team was back-to-back seasons of four wins.
04:32Realistically last year should have been three wins.
04:34What are you talking about?
04:36Because the bills handed you that last game.
04:39Okay.
04:39You should have beaten the Colts.
04:41That game was a disaster that you could have beaten the Seahawks.
04:44You can go through the year and find two to three wins.
04:46They could have had.
04:46Okay.
04:47Okay.
04:47Yeah.
04:47Two wins.
04:48They could have had.
04:48I'm saying that literally the literal other team, like basically forfeited the game is
04:52the whole point.
04:53And so either way, you were the worst team in football last year.
04:57And now all of a sudden, because of a couple defensive line additions, uh, an offensive line
05:02that you claim is much better, which isn't.
05:04And then the possibility of Steph digs, uh, having a full season here, you think they're
05:08going to be a 10 win football team.
05:10Who was their best receiver last year?
05:12Um, pop Douglas, pop Douglas.
05:15Okay.
05:15So you're still your number two receiver.
05:18Curtis, your, your best receiver last year is a guy that is not a lock to make this team.
05:23Yes, he is.
05:24He is pop Douglas.
05:25He will be on this court.
05:27Curtis.
05:27I would bet anything you want that he will be on this team on the opening day.
05:31More likely to be on the team.
05:33Kyle Williams or pop Douglas.
05:34Well, Kyle Williams, who's just drafted.
05:36He's okay.
05:36So you have Steph digs.
05:38You have Kyle Williams.
05:39You have the Baker Baker's gone.
05:41Yeah.
05:41Baker's stuck.
05:43Baker's going to cut away.
05:44I would say, I would say, I would say the three guys that are definite Steph digs.
05:49Um, you want to throw Kyle Williams in there, but I wouldn't even know again.
05:53I wouldn't even say a two guy.
05:55I would say two guys are definite Matt Collins and Steph digs, because I'm not going to say
06:00what?
06:01Cause I'm not going to say a third rounder is guaranteed to make the team.
06:04If he's not, Douglas is absolutely on this football team.
06:07I'm not saying he won't be, but I'm just saying if I had a pencil in two guys,
06:11right now, cause remember pop Douglas.
06:13Well, Matt Collins might start on pop.
06:15So that's, that takes away one of your guys, but somebody else.
06:18Okay.
06:18So I would say Steph digs would be the only guy I would pencil in for me personally,
06:26because I don't know how Vrabel is going to feel about pop Douglas.
06:29I don't know how he's going to feel about him.
06:33I don't know how Vrabel is going to feel about Javon Baker, uh, or Jalen Polk guys that
06:38he, those guys get cut, right?
06:40Kyle Williams.
06:41Okay.
06:41I guess.
06:42And here's your offensive line for last year at tackles.
06:46You had a, when you, and you had, uh, Oka for this is week one guard.
06:52You have Robinson and Michael Jordan and Andrews at center.
06:56Not that Michael Jordan.
06:57No, not that Michael Jordan.
06:58And when you look at this year's old line, not the one that was in centers, Campbell Bradley,
07:02when you add his natural position, which is God Moses.
07:06And the only one I agree with Chima is I'm not sold on Cole strange, but I think the rest
07:11of those guys are a much better upgrade than what you had last year.
07:16Right.
07:17So I look at this better upgrade.
07:19Yeah.
07:20Well, how?
07:21Because Cole strange is the fourth overall pick.
07:24No, he didn't.
07:24He just explained who it is.
07:25Curtis.
07:26No, no.
07:26All right.
07:26He did for week one too.
07:27You didn't even have Andrews for most of that season.
07:29Well, no, I'm just saying week one, I did it.
07:31So Cole strange, I mean, excuse me.
07:33Will Campbell was the fourth overall pick.
07:35So last year you had Oka for and when you at tackles, he is or projected to be much better
07:43than those guys.
07:44I, I disagree.
07:47Hey, this, you could have the exact same problem you had with on when who last year where on when
07:50who should have been a guard and will Campbell maybe should be.
07:53Here's what I'll say.
07:54If that's the issue, then I blame Vrabel and Elliot Wolf in the scouting department for
08:01wasting the fourth pick on a guy who was a guy.
08:04This is Sam from Maine.
08:05Hey, Sam.
08:09Hey, good morning, guys.
08:10Thanks for having a call.
08:10Of course.
08:11I, yeah, I have to agree with Sean on this one.
08:15And the reason being is a, this football team has not proven anything to us in the last
08:20few years, other than that they are below average and all the additions on the off season,
08:25albeit the coaches and our draft picks are all well and good, but we haven't seen them
08:29play.
08:30We can sit here and say, we think they're an eight or nine win team or better, but we just
08:34don't know.
08:34And fact of the matter is they're coming off these terrible past few seasons.
08:39We have to just see what this team can be on paper.
08:41They may be a little better coaching wise and player wise, but realistically speaking,
08:45we, we have to find us, we have to sit in the middle and just be like this team is better
08:51on paper, but they may win a few more games than they did last year.
08:54I mean, I think the people that do this for a living that have to be right and are gauging
09:00the success or failure of teams think they're twice as good.
09:03Their win total last year was four.
09:05They're over under is eight and a half.
09:07So the people that prognosticate for a living are telling you that they're at least twice
09:13as good.
09:14Yeah, I would agree.
09:16And that's what I've said all along.
09:17I think they'll win seven or eight games.
09:18So then if by saying they're doubling their win total, right?
09:21So they're twice as good.
09:23Winning eight games is not far away from winning 10.
09:26Several texters are upset that you're completely leaving Kendrick Bourne out of the discussion.
09:31I don't know what Kendrick Bourne is like.
09:33That's the thing.
09:33It's a new coaching staff, right?
09:36Kendrick Bourne was good three years ago.
09:39All right.
09:39So I don't know how Vrabel and Todd Downing, who's the wide receiver coach, are going to
09:45look at Kendrick Bourne.
09:46Like, I mean, that was a long time ago.
09:48I don't know what their view on him is.
09:51Maybe Josh McDaniels might have a better view because, hey, this is what I was able to do
09:56with him when we had some success.
09:59And was the Kendrick Bourne have the success on the Josh McDaniels or was it Billy O'Brien?
10:04No, it's Josh McDaniels.
10:06Okay.
10:06So get 800 yards.
10:08All right.
10:08So he might look at that differently.
10:10I just when I look at your your wide receiver room, other than Steph Diggs on paper, who has
10:17done it before.
10:19I don't know.
10:20Like Pop Douglas, I like.
10:22But is Vrabel going to like him?
10:25What's his role going to be?
10:26This is Walter from Boston.
10:29Hey, Walter.
10:31Yeah.
10:31It's like shine.
10:32Like, it's speaking facts.
10:34It's like you guys are going off of like with Curtis.
10:36You say the teams that they're playing.
10:38You don't know.
10:38Nobody knew Washington was going to be as good as they're.
10:41So this is a wait and see team.
10:42They had the worst roster in football last year.
10:45And Wiggy, Pop was the best receiver on the team.
10:48He was more fit for Josh's system than any guy on the team.
10:52Oh, I agree with that.
10:53Even more than Diggs.
10:54I agree with that.
10:55Let me finish this, though.
10:56But so what Sean is saying, Brad Bevy was the worst center in the league against pressure
11:01last year.
11:02He was cut because nobody wanted him.
11:04So we still got to see what it looks like in the system.
11:07Guys, I agree that could be from 8 to 10.
11:11But a lot of people are just guaranteeing 10.
11:13Like, I heard you guys earlier say Pittsburgh ain't going to be nothing like Rodgers.
11:17Rodgers was really good at the end of last year.
11:19Oh, come on.
11:20So two teams could be better.
11:21Rodgers had to beg a team to sign him at under $15 million.
11:26The guy is wild.
11:27We'll see then.
11:28You guys are always right, Sean.
11:30Curtis, I've never seen a dude who's more always right than you is.
11:33So, Walter, I'd ask this question, Walter, before you hang out.
11:36I'm going to put that on my bumper sticker.
11:38How many wins do you have him at?
11:41Oh.
11:41And because if you go...
11:43I think on the call, it says 7 and 9.
11:45But he said, I want to ask you this, and then you hung up on him.
11:48I didn't touch it.
11:49My hands aren't even close to the button.
11:50Because, Greg...
11:51I'm over here on Newsbox.
11:52Did they slip, maybe?
11:53No, I think he hung up.
11:54He's got a little greasy hands.
11:55Greasy hands.
11:56Not even close.
11:57One finger on the talk button, one finger on the talk button.
11:59Also, Curtis, get it right, it was 15 M's that the Steelers are paying Aaron Rodgers.
12:04And, Derek, that was not a call for you to join us.
12:07And, see, Greg, the issue I have...
12:08But look at their start of the season, Wigs.
12:09Raiders, Dolphins, Steelers, Panthers, Bills, Saints, Titans, Browns, Falcons.
12:14Right.
12:14You should win the majority of those games.
12:17Last year, I believe, they were not favored in a single game.
12:20Is that correct?
12:21That is correct, yep.
12:22So you're going to be favored in the majority of the first half of the season games.
12:26That is telling you your roster is dramatically improved along with the people you're facing stink.
12:32That's great, Curtis.
12:32So even if you win the majority of those games, that's five and four.
12:35You then also face the Bengals, Bills, and Baltimore Ravens coming up shortly thereafter.
12:40And that's three losses.
12:41They have the blueprint to beat the Bengals.
12:43See, I always look at...
12:44That's in week one, Curtis, when they're not going.
12:46Greg, here's the problem I have.
12:48How great would it be if Saban got an NFL job before Belichick?
12:51That would be hilarious.
12:53Here's the problem I have.
12:54When people go, well, I see them being from seven to nine.
12:58And all right, give me a number of wins, right?
13:03Don't be like, oh, I see them being from seven.
13:05I'll give you, I think, nine.
13:06I think nine is fair.
13:08And that's what I would...
13:09Curtis is a little aggressive with ten, but I love the enthusiasm.
13:11But I would say, if you had a gun in my head and said, how many wins, I would go with nine.
13:16Yeah.
13:17If they get...
13:18And that's why I said, don't give me the seven and nine or...
13:21Sean, what's your number?
13:22Eight.
13:22Okay.
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