El mexicano revelación en la élite del ciclismo puede enfocarse al objetivo de ser un hito en las grandes vueltas, porque su carrera está en manos del manager que cuida también al campeón del mundo Tadej Pogačar. “Si resuelvo el problema, él estará más concentrado.
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00:00El Economista, podcast. El podcast de deportes ha llegado.
00:08Y no tenemos un recital de resultados ni cifras económicas enlistadas y aburridas.
00:15Les presento Cien Metros Vallas con Marisol Rojas.
00:22Hola, ¿qué tal? Amigos de Cien Metros Vallas, muchas gracias por estar con nosotros en un episodio más.
00:28Tenemos a un invitado de lujo, su nombre es Alex Carrera, él está conectado en Roma.
00:35Él es una de las personas más importantes ahora en México porque él es el representante de Isaac del Toro y de Tadej Poyacar.
00:43Y lo tenemos vía distancia. Quiero agradecer a Alex, vamos a hacer esta entrevista en inglés y los vamos a apoyar con los subtítulos en la traducción.
00:52Alex es uno de los más importantes managers en el mundo del ciclo y ahora está cerca de México.
01:00Él maneja la carrera de Isaac del Toro y de Tadej Poyacar.
01:04Ambos atletas son ahora compañeros de los Emirados Unidos.
01:08Bienvenido, muy bienvenido, Alex. Gracias por tu tiempo.
01:11Gracias, gracias a todos los que nos vemos.
01:16Gracias, gracias.
01:19Gracias, gracias.
01:19Y él está conectado en Roma.
01:22Estamos en la ciudad de México.
01:23Así que gracias por tu tiempo.
01:27¿Cómo se ha cambiado la responsabilidad de un manager?
01:34¿Qué nuevos desafíos se demanda el mercado?
01:40Cada día hay un nuevo desafíos.
01:43Para mí, mi desafío cuando trabajamos con los atletas es ayudar a los atletas a tomar su sueño.
01:53En este caso, en este caso, para ganar, en el futuro o ahora, la más importante carrera del mundo.
02:01Ese es el ejemplo de la Francia de la Giro d'Italia.
02:04Es mi sueño para ayudar a todos mis atletas a tomar su sueño, por supuesto.
02:11¿Qué tipo de evaluaciones ha realizado antes de elegir una carrera de atleta?
02:20Primero, creo que debemos analizar la valoración de los atletas, cuando llegan con nosotros, el potencial y la mentalidad.
02:33Porque el carrera es un deporte muy difícil.
02:36Por ejemplo, el fútbol es un juego, pero el carrera es un deporte.
02:41Y solo el talento no es suficiente para alcanzar los resultados grandes.
02:47Necesitas trabajar todos los días muy duro, todos los días siguiendo la nutrición del equipo.
02:55Porque también necesitas comer muy bien, recuperar y empezar todos los días para la nueva aventura.
03:02Lo que significa que cuando llegamos con los atletas, analizamos muchas, muchas cosas.
03:09No solo los talentos, sino también la gran atitud de trabajar muy duro.
03:15O sea, no puedes ser un ciclista de campeón.
03:18¿Cómo podemos entender la diferencia entre un manager de fútbol y otros deportes, comparado con el trabajo que haces con los ciclistas?
03:32Todos los deportes son diferentes.
03:34Todos los deportes son diferentes.
03:35Primero, los deportes son similares como el fútbol, o el básquetbol, o el ciclo, porque son deportes de equipo.
03:44Y otros deportes son individuales, como el fútbol, o el ski, o el tennis.
03:50Son deportes individuales.
03:52Entonces, trabajas más para los propósitos privados.
03:55Pero en el caso de los deportes, necesitas, primero de todo, trabajar con el equipo y encontrar el mejor equipo para los atletas.
04:05Y el mejor equipo, muchas veces, no significa que el equipo paga más dinero,
04:11sino que el equipo paga más oportunidades para llegar a los atletas, para obtener sus grandes resultados.
04:19Y entre el ciclo y el fútbol, hay una gran diferencia.
04:24En el fútbol, los equipos son los usuarios de los atletas.
04:31En el ciclo, no.
04:33Cuando terminas tu contrato con el equipo, por ejemplo, eres libre.
04:40Entonces, no puedes vender uno de los riders a uno de los otros equipos.
04:45En el fútbol, es normal.
04:47Entonces, hay una gran diferencia.
04:49Ok.
04:50I've heard in another interview that you say you like that your athletes feel passion when they do the sport.
04:59All your represented cyclists work very hard.
05:02But, what makes Isaac different?
05:05What made you choose him?
05:08One of the first time I met Isaac, I remember very well that we go together to a supermarket.
05:21A small supermarket in the town where he lived in Europe.
05:25And he has a great, if you feel, if you see the eyes of Isaac, you see the passion.
05:34Then you are, he's the natural boy.
05:38But the boy that loves cycling.
05:40And he did, in every minute in life, he did his best to arrive the results.
05:49When we go to the supermarket, I know exactly that he checks every single product that he buys.
05:56The best products, because the food is also important.
06:00Because the nutrition is important in cycling.
06:02Not only the trainer and the talent.
06:05And when you have a passion, as today, as Isaac, or as other athletes, you have more chance to arrive to the top in the world.
06:18Do you remember the year of that visit in the supermarket?
06:24When?
06:25The year?
06:26When?
06:27The year?
06:28When?
06:29When?
06:30I remember that this supermarket is in 2000, in the beginning of 2024.
06:37In general, in January 2024.
06:43Or December 2023.
06:45I don't remember exactly when.
06:47But I remember that he checked every single product.
06:51Because he wanted to be sure that what he bought is good for him and for his career.
06:58There are small details, of course.
07:01But in the pro-career, the small details, in the end, is the big difference.
07:08And also, well, he learned about his nutrition, about his development.
07:14When he was working with Monex, Alejandro Rodriguez, CEO for Monex, he told me exactly the day that you guys were talking about Isaac.
07:25And that was in San Marino, the day when you went with Isaac to the market?
07:32Because he lives there, right?
07:34He was in San Marino, yes.
07:39Okay.
07:40So, by that time, were you already searching to guide his career?
07:48Or you still were looking if it can be a possibility?
07:53The first time that I saw Isaac, he was in video call.
07:59And it's before the Tour de l'Avenir 2023.
08:04But Isaac has already shown his talent in some races, in Romania, in Italy and so on.
08:15Then the talent of Isaac, if you know cycling, if you have experience, you can show immediately.
08:24After Tour de l'Avenir 2023, all experts in cycling understand that one young guy comes from Mexico to be a big star in the future.
08:41And in the last May, all fans see the great talents of Isaac, you know?
08:47But in this case, I am very happy that Isaac chose my agency.
08:54Because after this victory in Tour de l'Avenir 2023, he can choose every agency in the world.
09:03Because it's pretty easy to see that in the future he can be a champion.
09:12What do you think could be Isaac's long-term impact? I mean, beyond the results and outside the competition?
09:23Isaac is a little bit special. He's special for two reasons.
09:28Because behind him, there is a big country as Mexico.
09:35Then, with his results, he can help cycling to the lot in his country, first of all.
09:42And second, he has a great image because he has a nice voice.
09:46All the time he has a smile during the interview.
09:51And also, during the race, he attacks a lot.
09:56The fans love the riders' attack all the time.
10:01They try to win all the time.
10:03The fans love the fighters, as Isaac.
10:07Then, I am pretty sure that if you combine that he is a fighter, a winner rider,
10:17and the good mentality, he's from Mexico, he's a nice boy.
10:22If you combine these all things together, for sure, in the future,
10:28he's one of the most important riders in the world.
10:31All right. How does the work of a team manager fit with a manager duty?
10:41What means the question? Explain me better what you want to know.
10:46Yeah. For example, the team manager of Isaac's team, for example,
10:51or any other cyclist, they need to work with the athlete.
10:56They need to do also marketing about the team.
10:59But you also need time with the cyclists.
11:04Yeah, of course. Our job is pretty easy when the rider is so good as Isaac.
11:12But the other side is also very, very hard.
11:17My job is to solve the problem for my athletes.
11:22In this case, for Isaac.
11:24What means? If Isaac needed to solve the problem for the insurance,
11:29with the relation with the media, the relation with the team,
11:34with the private sponsor, of course, I am the guise to help him.
11:42In Mexico, it's a big country.
11:45Also, Alex Reines worked with Isaac in Mexico for his private sponsor,
11:51because we are a team together around Isaac.
11:54But who we are?
11:57We are the person that Isaac can trust to us and to him to solve the problem.
12:04Of course, the marketing or many things we need to do with our experience.
12:14Also, find the best place to live.
12:17Also, the relation with his teammates, the relation with the team.
12:23But in the end, when you manage a good athlete, for one side is easy,
12:30and for the other side is hard, because we have a responsibility.
12:35But the most important thing that I can reply to your question is,
12:40who is Alex Carrera?
12:43Alex Carrera is the guy that helps Isaac to solve the small or the big problem in this career.
12:51Because if I solve the problem, Isaac is more quiet.
12:57He can stay concentrate on the trainer, on the nutrition,
13:03and maybe have more chance to win the big race.
13:08Alright.
13:10What reasons makes you to decide to end a relationship with an athlete?
13:16Because I love my job.
13:19My job is to help the athletes.
13:22I have a lot of passion in cycling, in sport in general.
13:27And, of course, it's a business.
13:30And there are many, many things that connect this job.
13:35I decided to open my company when I was 22 years old.
13:40And I think it's one of the best decisions in my life.
13:46Great.
13:47Final question.
13:49Sometimes we find salary rankings, but are they even close to reality of the amounts?
13:57I never read these rankings because, of course, I know that I don't need to read the rankings in the newspaper and the website.
14:14For sure, cycling has changed if you compare 10 or 20 years ago.
14:22But for sure, it will change also in the future.
14:24Then I don't need to read the ranking of the salary, but sometimes I hope that what they wrote is right.
14:34But sometimes they wrote stupid things because the people love this information.
14:42And in the end, the media want also right to create some curious story.
14:48Okay, and before we go, Alex, I would like you to give a message to young athletes that can be listening and seeing this podcast.
15:01And also to Mexican companies that are thinking if supporting or not an athlete, a young athlete.
15:09What lessons can be learned from exact moment?
15:14I think that Mexico is a big, big country.
15:19There is a lot of company trust in the sport, and now they know cycling.
15:26They give the opportunity to invest in the new generation of Mexican riders because there is a lot of talents in Mexico.
15:39First of all, the number one is Isaac.
15:42And if you enjoy in this sport, you have a great opportunity to have a lot of visibility and together we can arrive in the up of the world.
15:54Great.
15:55Thank you very much, Alex, for talking to El Economista in Cien Metros Vallas podcast.
16:02We keep the communication open.
16:05And when I invite all the people that are listening and seeing this podcast to send me questions or to send me your opinions, and we will be glad to hear them.
