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Suhas Subramanyam To Project 2025 Co-Author: 'Is This Administration Trying To Implement Project 2025?'
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6/30/2025
At last week's House DOGE Committee hearing, Rep. Suhas Subramanyam (D-VA) questioned witnesses about DOGE cuts.
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00:00
Nice. Mr. Subramanyam from Virginia for five minutes. Thank you, Madam Chair.
00:09
Before I get started on Doge, Mr. Burton, you were one of the co-authors of Project 2025. Is that correct?
00:15
Yes. And is this administration trying to implement Project 2025? Yes or no?
00:21
In some respects, yes. Okay, because last year we kept hearing about how they wanted nothing to do with Project 2025.
00:27
That must have hurt your feelings, I bet. But are you saying that they're trying to implement all parts of Project 2025?
00:33
I just said in some respects, yes. Okay, thanks. I just wanted to get that out of the way.
00:37
I'm glad there's someone being honest these days. But let's talk about Doge.
00:41
So Doge promised us $2 trillion in cuts back in January.
00:47
And so far, we have a report card now out. And it's actually cost us billions of dollars, maybe over $100 billion by one estimate.
00:59
It's actually costing taxpayers money. And it seems like, you know, they're cutting a lot of things. How is this possible?
01:07
Well, the reason it's possible is because they're cutting the very people who are actually there to help get rid of waste, fraud, and abuse.
01:16
And they're cutting people who do essential research and run really important programs that save taxpayer money long term.
01:24
And so the dashboard that we're talking about, the so-called transparency, was riddled with errors.
01:30
There's been article after article about this. And so we know now that that dashboard cannot be trusted.
01:35
What can be trusted is that we're not anywhere close to $2 trillion.
01:39
In fact, there's another bill that this House just passed that adds $3 trillion to the debt.
01:44
And so even if we did all these cuts, even if you cut every single federal employee in the entire government,
01:50
you still end up with a situation where you're adding to the debt in this administration
01:54
because of the $3 trillion in the bill that was passed a couple weeks ago that's being added to our debt.
02:00
And, you know, the examples that I've heard are things like cutting meteorologists at the Weather Service,
02:08
cutting essential researchers at NIH, people who are doing groundbreaking research
02:13
that will spur entire industries are being cut.
02:17
Sometimes the government does research and funds research because the money just isn't there in the private sector.
02:22
The private sector mandate isn't there.
02:24
And so that actually, you talk about the Internet, for instance, that was a DOD project at one point.
02:31
And DOD funded ARPANET, which became the Internet.
02:34
And so we are basically, we'll never know all of the things that we missed out on because of some of these cuts.
02:41
And I've heard a lot about, you know, we heard earlier about these cuts of veterans' benefits.
02:48
There's PFAS inspectors, nuclear scientists fired, although they tried to rehire them.
02:53
There's been a lot of firings where they tried to roll them back.
02:57
But, you know, I think I, you know, Ms. Davida, I just want to know, if you were to do this,
03:04
is DOGE doing what they're trying to do here?
03:07
And why is DOGE so unsuccessful right now?
03:09
Why has it been such a failure?
03:12
I believe that DOGE has been a lose-lose.
03:15
It has found, it has failed to find the sizable savings, as you mentioned,
03:19
and has only made life harder and more expensive for working families.
03:24
You mentioned a lot of the mistakes.
03:26
Those don't just cost, there is not just an opportunity cost to loss potential and loss impact from those mistakes,
03:33
but there is also a cost to correct for them.
03:36
So rehiring and retraining all of the federal workers.
03:39
So is DOGE on track to save us money?
03:41
Is it going to save taxpayers money long term?
03:43
No.
03:44
Why is that?
03:46
I think DOGE has been making incredibly hasty cuts, and these have consequences.
03:53
There are already a lot of protections baked into our federal workforce, our system of regulations.
03:59
We can always add more that protect people in even better and stronger ways,
04:05
but we cannot take them back without costs.
04:07
So I'd ask Mr. Burton or Mr. Dickerson, you know, I have one idea for cuts,
04:15
which is the president actually his last term spent $150 million-plus on golf trips.
04:21
Do you think that's waste, fraud, and abuse?
04:23
Yes, ma'am.
04:24
I certainly would think they're more high-priority spending things, yes.
04:29
But do you think that's wasteful spending?
04:32
Do you think we should cut?
04:33
Do you think that's less or more wasteful than cutting veterans' benefits, his golf trips?
04:38
I would rather spend money on veterans.
04:40
What about $50 million for the Department of Homeland Security's private plane?
04:45
That's what they requested in the appropriations bill.
04:47
Do you think they should get a new plane for DHS, a private plane?
04:51
That's a factual question on whether or not this...
04:55
No, I'm going to reclaim my time.
04:56
In the end, what's happening is there's more waste, fraud, and abuse since DOGE has come into effect.
05:01
It's led to poor services, a brain drain on our federal government,
05:04
and it's going to cost taxpayers money long term.
05:07
I yield back.
05:08
The gentleman...
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