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00:36Alhamdulillah, salatul salam, la rasulullah.
00:39I'm going to keep this show to the point.
00:42I and thousands like me have forsaken everything for what we believe.
00:48Our driving motivation...
00:50I knew Mohammed Sadiq Khan.
00:52He was a good friend of mine.
00:54I'm sure by now the media's painted a suitable picture of me.
01:02This predictable propaganda machine.
01:05They said that I knew was a good man.
01:09The guy in the video, I don't know who that was.
01:13Something was wiped from him.
01:19Your democratically elected governments...
01:21...continuously perpetual atrocities against my people all over the world.
01:27You know the way he was speaking?
01:29I didn't recognise the way he was speaking in those...
01:33...mind-numbing, closed-down clichés.
01:36It's like a bad movie.
01:38Kind of al-Qaeda-speak.
01:41We will fight the infidel.
01:43He never spoke like that.
01:45Our religion is Islam.
01:47Obedience to the one true God, Allah.
01:50I'm unable to work out how we got from there to there.
01:53We are at war and I'm a soldier.
01:56And that's the thing I still sometimes struggle to work out.
01:59Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
02:03There have been a series of terrorist attacks in London.
02:19But this is the biggest crime scene in English history.
02:24So far, all the evidence, the coordinated explosions, points to al-Qaeda.
02:29How did four young British men end up becoming suicide bombers in their own country?
02:38What makes a person do such a thing?
02:40You can't unsee what you see.
02:54It stays with you forever.
02:57But you must always talk about it.
02:59It's the only way that people remember the atrocity that happened.
03:04I was assigned the job of removing the bodies from Rust Square.
03:23The first time we walked down to make our way to the scene, there was a foot at the end of the platform.
03:32Just a foot on its own.
03:34It was a sign of things to come.
03:36The carnage in that one carriage is really unfathomable.
03:54Each body is a different experience.
03:57And you've got to remove them, and you've got to remove them in a sensitive way.
04:03They belong to someone.
04:04You know, they're someone's loved one.
04:07There was a poor woman.
04:10If I go, if I do that, that's like she was across the seats.
04:15I can't forget the pleading on her face.
04:20Because she had no legs.
04:21You see, her legs had been blown off.
04:22So there was no-one to help her.
04:25If she was going to die there, it was impossible to save her.
04:32Having information from the other scenes, they were aware it was a suicide bomber.
04:37So each individual body was treated as a suspect.
04:41It was a priority to identify the bomber.
04:45And remove that body as quick as possible.
04:48So that it could be forensically worked on.
04:54We didn't know who the bomber was.
04:57He had a good idea.
04:59His body was mostly brains on the top of the carriage.
05:04Which I scraped off.
05:10He had a good idea.
05:18Floral tributes grow as the wait for news continues.
05:22The authorities say they're working as fast as they can in the conditions
05:26to deliver the answers so many people seek.
05:29I need to know what happened to my Anthony.
05:32It's the love of my life.
05:34My first son.
05:35My first son.
05:37My first son.
05:3926.
05:41But I need to know where he is.
05:42I need to know what happened to him.
05:44So far, all the evidence, the coordinated explosions,
05:48and the ruthlessness in picking soft civilian targets, all points to Al-Qaeda.
05:53This is Scotland Yard's command centre, coordinating every incident, every response.
06:02But there are thousands more working behind the scenes on the investigation.
06:06Both here and at MI5.
06:08And there is a real sense of urgency.
06:10We had four bodies at the sites of the explosions.
06:16Their bodies were so significantly disrupted that they could only have been the four bombers.
06:26But to be able to positively identify them, you need forensic evidence.
06:30What we had were identity documents of a Mahmoud Sadiq Khan found at two different bomb scenes.
06:39Mahmoud Sadiq Khan was a classroom assistant from West York, sir.
06:44For the investigation, it was the first major line of inquiry.
06:49We express our revulsion at this murderous carnage.
07:13We will pursue those responsible, wherever they are.
07:24Even though I was in no way involved in anything that happened, I would be frightened to show my face.
07:30I'm a Pakistani man.
07:33I feel like I was born with a target on my back and I don't want to put one on my front.
07:36Tell me about Muhammad Sadiq Khan.
07:43I called him Sid.
07:45We were good friends.
07:47Maybe it's quite difficult for people to hear, but he was a sweet guy.
07:52And this might sound really strange, but the person that I knew would actually take the piss out of a lot of the dogmatic teachings of Islam.
07:59Or talk about some of the Imams and how simplistic they spoke.
08:04He would take the miqh out of it.
08:07Sid was a youth worker.
08:10The young people looked up to him.
08:12He was a very earnest guy.
08:14He had a very clear idea of what was right and wrong.
08:17He was very much affected by things that he thought were wrong.
08:20Come on, let him bang your arms, eh?
08:21Right, I'll catch you two messing him up in my room again with Kunaki housing to the fence.
08:28And if he thought something was wrong, he would take matters into his own hands.
08:32He would do something about it.
08:34He really cared, you know.
08:36He used to get the kids off heroin.
08:38He would actually snatch them, chain them up in a room and make them go cold turkey.
08:42People tell me who had that, that it was one of the best things that happened to them in all their life.
08:47They're incredibly grateful, nothing else could get them off heroin.
08:51He was fearless, authentic, from Beeston, like me.
08:58Beeston was shit and was recognised to be shit.
09:02It was like a dumping ground.
09:04Huge amounts of racism, poverty, deprivation, big history of drug problems.
09:11It was just a place where people had very little life chances.
09:15Let's be clear, I mean, we had fuck all in the area.
09:18What are we going to do?
09:20Work in the takeaway?
09:22Be a taxi driver?
09:24Very hard for people who have not had that experience to understand it.
09:32Friends and families of the missing gathered outside the stations where their loved ones were last seen alive.
09:39Looking for any slender hope that they may somehow have survived.
09:42We watched the news constantly for any clues to where David might have been.
09:49We just started phoning hospitals and got nowhere because they obviously weren't going to tell us anything.
10:03It was confidential.
10:04But you don't know that at the time.
10:05You're in a state of panic.
10:06You're in a state of fear.
10:08And the more they say no, the more fearful you become.
10:12I actually went out and bought all the newspapers.
10:15We had them spread out all over the floor, desperately combing them to find out any information at all.
10:20And there was a knock at our front door late morning and there was a young police officer in plain clothes and she held up a warrant card and asked if she could come in.
10:32That was a real heart-sink moment.
10:33Anyway, she came in and she explained she was from Greater Manchester Police and she'd simply been ordered to come and take mouth swabs.
10:44And of course we asked lots of questions, you know, what is he, what's happening and so on and so on.
10:47And I think she was quite embarrassed really because I genuinely do not know.
10:51I've just been told to come and take mouth swabs.
10:54So she took the mouth swabs and then she took the tubes and there was a motorcycle courier outside.
11:00She gave them to him and he vanished.
11:04We were just so anxious and so worried, so full of dread, thinking about David.
11:10Where is he? We hope he's okay.
11:17My son was missing since Wednesday.
11:24Hasib had told me he was going to London, sightseeing with his friends.
11:30I was in a very bad state.
11:32I do not remember how many times I called him, but there was no answer.
11:51The liaison officer came to see us.
11:57It felt like she had made certain assumptions.
12:02I did not like it at all.
12:04I visited the family of Hasib Hussain.
12:15I remember Mr. Hussain's oldest son.
12:18I felt he had something to say, but couldn't say it in front of his father.
12:21So just before I left the house, I surreptitiously passed my telephone number on a piece of paper to him.
12:34I just felt something.
12:36I could not sit still.
12:40All I could think about was my son and where he could be.
12:45It was like a horrible nightmare.
12:49I was fearful.
12:51I asked some people about Hasib, but no one could tell me anything.
12:56I then went into the Iqra bookshop.
13:02I asked the man at the counter if he knew Hasib.
13:06He told me he didn't.
13:08But I knew he was lying.
13:11Finally he said,
13:14Hasib may be with Sid.
13:16I asked who Sid was and where I could find him.
13:19He then said he may be with Shazad Tanvir.
13:23They were also missing.
13:28I suspected something was very wrong.
13:38Later that evening, I got a phone call from Hasib's older brother.
13:44The one I'd passed the phone number to.
13:46He told me that he had searched his brother's bedroom after I left.
13:52And found a mobile phone.
13:55There was only one number on it.
13:59So he rang it.
14:01And a gentleman answered.
14:03He said that he had rented a property to his brother at Alexander Grove.
14:10Hasib's brother went round to the address.
14:14Looked in the window.
14:18He said to me,
14:20I think something awful has been going on in there.
14:23You better get round there.
14:24You better get round there.
14:25You better get round there.
14:27Go on.
14:28You better get round there.
14:29So you'll see what's going on in here.
14:31Maybe, no, no, no.
14:33What is going on in there?
14:35So I'm going on here.
14:36from russia carnage in madrid three trains have blown up in a devastating attack on the
14:48spanish capital 191 people were killed more than 1500 injured the multiple synchronized
14:56nature of the attacks is al-qaeda's signature we had all lived through the consequences of
15:04the police raids in madrid where terrorists who were still within the premises blew the place up
15:10when the police entered killing a police officer
15:22so there was a marked sense of potential danger in the search of alexandra grove
15:34one of the big things that you're considering when you know it's a high threat task
15:45are they targeting me
15:50but once you're ready to go down the road it's it's just you
15:54you're on your own you're down there facing off with whatever it is you're dealing with
16:00armed officers surround a house preparing for a raid general rule of thumb everybody's expecting
16:07you to go through the door so make your own entry point
16:13popped the window to gain access into the building and climbed through and started looking around
16:18just couldn't believe what i'd walked into lots of tools wires batteries respirators mobile phone boxes
16:30a hot place in both bedrooms empty ice bag wrappers it was immediately obvious it was a bomb factory
16:38every surface was covered in this white powder where they'd clearly been boiling off chemicals and
16:46trying to make homemade explosives when you stood in the bathroom the bath was about a third filled with
16:53water with these tubs floating around with like an orange material in it's actually bubbling you could see
17:00it bubbling and as if it was boiling i did 23 years in the military took me to afghanistan northern
17:07ireland and iraq never seen that before it was awful it was in a real real mess
17:16i could tell that the bombers definitely weren't a professional terrorist organization it was it was amateur
17:23hour for the police so the place was a jackpot but extremely extremely dangerous i was like right we
17:33really need to get out of here right now and rethink what we're doing
17:39as soon as the police found the bomb factory the world sort of exploded and the next day there was
17:46like war to war counter-terrorism officers all overbeasting all this after passing your number to hasif's
17:55brother lucky isn't it it wasn't luck women's intuition i get a lot of that
18:07alexandra grove contained a vast surround of forensic evidence
18:12evidence including dna and that's in addition to identity documents was found on the sites of the
18:20explosions quickly thereafter the cctv from king's cross gives us the images of the four bombers
18:30carrying rucksacks
18:35muhammad sadiq khan a father of one it's believed he was responsible for the bomb at edgeware road
18:41shazit tanweer a 22 year old sports science student thought the cricket fan blew himself up on the
18:48allgate train jermaine lindsay a british resident born in jamaica was responsible for the russell square
18:55attack and hasib hussein hasib hussein he is suspected of being the bomber on the bus in tavistock square
19:03i had to tell the family that their son who was the day before the missing person potentially a victim
19:17was now a suspect in this atrocity and we're telling them we're going to examine your home from top to
19:26bottom no choice you're out we're coming in and you are potentially suspects as well
19:33my role altered drastically i am now working with a murderers family
19:45i was a bit nervous but it's got to be done i just had to get on with it
19:50they said hasib had something to do with the blasts
19:59i was holding my wife's hand as she heard the news her hand slipped away
20:12the liaison officer told us our house was surrounded by armed officers
20:18and had a warrant to search the house my whole body was shaking i was shocked and in disbelief
20:33this cctv picture is the first to show the four bombers together
20:38on the left is teenager hasib hussein the youngest of the bombers a short time later and hasib hussein
20:44is captured again a clearer image showing his rucksack carrying the explosives the television
20:51started showing pictures of hasib i kept telling myself hasib could not be involved
21:03my mind was full of suspicion i couldn't accept that he would go to london and bomb a bus
21:15they didn't take it well mr hussein collapsed on the sofa he would just say no no no it's not my son
21:22you you've doctored the cctv it's not it's not a scene you know he just wouldn't have it
21:32and eventually i just stopped trying to convince him i couldn't i couldn't tell him
21:37i can understand the reason for their denial it's a absolute mammoth thing to get your head around
21:52that your son who was perfection in their eyes could have done this it must have been
21:59an awful thing for them to come to terms with
22:06there's still a sense of huge shock here in west yorkshire that the bombers were living amongst people
22:11here they were part of their communities many people with their friends and they knew their families
22:17hasib mir hussein just 18 years old from the multiracial holbeck area of leeds
22:23he was a good pillar to community i can't say no else because he was shazad tanweer a 22 year old
22:31sports science student he was a very kind and caring person he was respected by everybody
22:37who had to do mohammed sadiq khan his house is shrouded in plastic as forensic experts search for clues
22:46cabins to count it can't be they must have got it wrong somebody's got it wrong somewhere
22:51but i just feel that something's gone totally wrong for that guy to have been involved because he was
22:58a really nice guy
23:07as soon as we got the names of the four bombers we're certainly digging into everything you can
23:12discover about their lives the spotlight is on everybody who surrounds somebody who becomes a
23:20terrorist who gave them any material assistance who may have known they were going to do it and
23:28did nothing about trying to prevent them tonight western intelligence agencies are working hard to
23:34establish if there are direct links between the bombers and those around osama bin laden evidence
23:40especially the connections of the bombers to pakistan is raising that possibility
23:46when i heard about what happened i couldn't make sense of what was going on
23:50and then it kind of kind of sunk in the last time i saw sid he'd been to pakistan
24:03and he came back and he said oh you know i want to catch up with you
24:06so i said look i'm really busy and he said no no he was really insistent really really insistent
24:14so i met him and he seemed very different
24:17and really peaceful
24:22now obviously looking back i realized that
24:28man i realized that he had planned what he was going to do
24:32in his own mind he was going to die and he was saying goodbye to me
24:38but i didn't know that at the time obviously nobody had a clue nobody had a clue
24:46you know there were only a few times in my life that i completely broke down sobbing
24:49i mean just sobbing i mean for what he did the damage he caused
24:55what the did you think you were going to achieve
25:11in the quiet suburbs of leeds police continue to mount a large-scale security operation
25:17around the homes of three of the four alleged suicide bombers this follows the breakthrough
25:22yesterday when anti-terrorist police carried out raids on the houses
25:31the bombers they've been working there for a while producing the homemade explosives it's it's
25:37shockingly easy yeah you can walk around any popular diy outlet and you can buy the components
25:46i know there was in excess of a hundred explosive related items removed
25:50four of them haven't done that it there was no way four of them had done that on their own
25:58they recovered from like five six seven respirators so from when they were working in there
26:05hints at more people
26:08in the bedroom on the sideboard was a a day sack a backpack with what looked like a five to ten liter
26:16tub inside that was filled with this orange explosive material ready to be picked up and taken away
26:23was that a fifth device i believe it was it was just waiting it was just sat there did somebody bottle out
26:36what the police will be doing now is trying to reconstruct as much of the bomber's life
26:41lives over the last year or two as they possibly can working backwards trying to understand who they
26:48were who they met with what their lifestyles were in great detail
26:54in beeston there's no trust of the police whatsoever there was this big thing about all the muslims and
27:03terrorists just going to raid everybody like you're guilty by association you know you're in danger
27:12i remember being quite terrified attention has been focused on this bookstore we know that three of
27:20the men were customers here the ikra bookshop it was a place where there were islamic books videos and
27:28there's a place in the back of the kitchen where people would hang out i can remember seeing sid there
27:33joking around there was one time where a guy called me in look at this video there was a guy being
27:42i think beheaded what the do you want to show me that for it was sickening shocking i never went back there again
27:49beast and this afternoon almost an area under siege the focus of course for these police investigations
27:58which have seemed dramatic and fast-moving developments and now people are left wondering
28:03how men that they knew could be capable of such horrific attacks just don't need to trust in a
28:11post in a muslim aging community anymore now i've got three young children at home age 12 13 and 10.
28:16i'm thinking you know they're going to be in school one day and the school's going to go you know
28:21because there's asian boys in the school are they going to be took away by the families
28:24night brainwashed and brought back and going to school for anything it is very very scary um
28:31living in the community that everyone thinks is everyone is together but really it's not it's
28:37it's just not a nice place to live at the moment why do you think that mohammed sadiq khan was
28:42radicalized you know people ask how could this happen but if you look closely enough you can
28:50probably find some reasons probably why that would happen some people might have drifted towards
28:56radicalization because primarily they felt they didn't belong our parents had a sense of who they
29:03were around pakistan but so our sense of who we were performed from you know the toxic environment
29:10that we lived in they never asked us if we wanted it we didn't want them we've always hated them
29:21hated the mortal sights on them we grew up with the far right the national front targeted bradford
29:28burnley oldham and don't forget our parents first came across we're putting up with it but the
29:35second generation we'd had enough of it
29:42from the city center the writing spread and continued into the early hours
29:46after the national front threatened to march through the city
29:50i mean the bradford riots happened because there's lots and lots of just frustration
29:56the national front you know they're going to come march through the town and do all these things to
30:02us i think people just had enough by then just the constant racism it sinks into you
30:11the language that we'd use against you all the time like you dirty fucking packy
30:16the word dirty and packet to me was synonymous i really grew up believing that there was something
30:21wrong with me i was less than human i was subhuman extremists see that pain you've had pain you've
30:32suffered pain you've suffered shame humiliation they know that and then they'll basically say
30:37oh the pain is so intolerable that if you go and do something like a big act basically you'll have
30:44great meaning and you'll be free of the pain that's what these fuckers do there is nothing that could
30:58excuse what happened but you need to understand why it happened so that it doesn't happen again
31:14the nature of intelligence work is that you're trying to get ahead of those who wish to do us harm
31:29that is what mi5 is trained to try and do
31:36we became aware of al-qaeda and the islamist threat early on in the 90s
31:43after 9 11 and our involvement in iraq we did warn the government that would be likely to increase
31:51a terrorist threat the government knew that that was a possibility indeed a probability
32:00pull your troops out of iraq and if you do not pull your troops out you will get bloodshake on the
32:07streets of the local mi5 had been worried about the radicalization of a small proportion of british
32:15muslims some of them third generation british who turned to this ideology that the west was engaged in
32:24hostility towards the muslim world the narrative was that islam was under attack from the west
32:33that western democracies were complicit in attacks on muslims and the people who'd voted them in
32:41the electorate of those western democracies therefore deserved to be punished
32:48as the investigation continues claims are emerging of security failures in the run-up to the bombings
32:54it's an allegation british police deny
33:03regarding the four people who went and did the 77 bombing i have more than an insight because i am
33:09one of the pioneers of violent jihad in the uk we would use islam islamic teachings to show that it is a
33:18virtue to fight for the oppressed and to bring justice to those who have been exploited or harmed
33:27recruitment takes place by talking about victimhood talking about domination from non-muslims
33:33if you have suffered racism they would come into play as well it normalized the idea of fighting back
33:41and terrorism i've seen a lot of people normal people become jihadist we would like to be able to
33:50predict who are more likely to turn in my understanding that's impossible that can't be done someone who
33:57seems to be perfectly lovable can turn and they can be easily misled or side stepped into uh other
34:04people's ambitions the uk gave refuge to a lot of islamist people abu hamza gained a lot of traction
34:27and abu qatada and sheikh abdul al-faisal was an an utter extremist when there's a jihad you need to know
34:46who to kill so it's important to know who's a muslim and who's a cat together we all belong to the same
34:52so-called jihad enterprise we traveled up and down the country preaching people gravitated around me
35:00and at times i would have gatherings of thousands of people islam is very easily hijacked or used by
35:08ignorant imams or someone like me who was half baked in understanding islam and religious material
35:14to say well i want to go to paradise dying fighting
35:19for the sake of god and once you're in paradise you are happy forever and everything is forgiven
35:29britain's muslim community has once again become the focus of the world's media but for the vast
35:35majority of british muslims there's nothing but contempt for the terrorists we are very dismayed very
35:41shocked confused and i think also embarrassed as well uh that uh young people from our neighborhoods
35:49and our community committed this level of atrocities many here feel that their community will be blamed
35:56for the bomb attacks just feel that eyes burning through your skin it's like you know is he is he one
36:02of those people that would do that kind of stuff islamophobia is is a common thing now it's open to be
36:11islamophobic we are fearful of backlash
36:15after 77 i was asked to attend a meeting in beeston what i was told is that law enforcement went in heavy
36:30handed labeled the whole community as being complicit and found them guilty once they'd done that they
36:37lost the trust of that community and of course they started to arrest people and so i was being told you
36:43you need to come up there and you need to tell people what their rights are when i got there it
36:49was a packed out meeting everyone was terrified you could see from people's eyes that they didn't know
36:55what was going on and they were desperate for information and advice one of my first clients was
37:02accused of being involved in it on the base that he was simply going into a house where muhammad sadi khan
37:10lived and he had nothing to do with 77 but the the police found a huge pressure they were desperate
37:19for information they just needed to get something to satisfy the public and yes i suspect more people
37:26knew about it than perhaps is is even known today but the assumption was these asians they ate together
37:35they prayed together therefore they must know what each other was thinking and doing and that of
37:41course is stereotypical that's prejudicial that is institutional racism in action
37:57so
38:05so
38:07so
38:09MUSIC CONTINUES
38:39We had no thoughts about the bombers and the fact that it was a terrorist attack.
38:44I know that in the newspapers I'd published the names of the four bombers,
38:48but we were so focused on David that that just passed us by.
38:52We weren't interested. We were just solely focused on news about David.
38:59I have moments of real clarity.
39:05But there are whole days over which we have no memories.
39:08I mean, Tuesday, Wednesday of the week after the attack.
39:16I've absolutely no idea what we did.
39:20But I remember the phone call at 6.20 in the evening.
39:23And it was a police officer saying, we need to come and see you. Are you at home?
39:30And that was a, oh, my God, moment.
39:33And I said, you're telling me that David's died.
39:35And they were resistant from telling me.
39:37I said, no, you wouldn't want to come and see me if it was bad, if it was good news.
39:40You'd tell me now, wouldn't you?
39:41And they said, yes, we can confirm that David died at Edgware Road.
39:48So I came in, sat down and told her.
39:50And we had a hug and we had a cry.
39:53And we told some friends, we told family.
39:56And then we went to bed.
40:02A difficult night.
40:03We didn't really sleep.
40:05We tried to remember all the good things.
40:09Which was easy, because we had so many.
40:11He was very bright, very quick-minded, a lively lad.
40:23And I'm his father, so I'm going to tell you he's the best son that's ever lived.
40:31The last time we saw David was the night before the attack.
40:37David was invited down to London.
40:39A bit of a last-minute invitation.
40:42So we had to do a journey plan to get him from Euston to Farringdon, on the circle line.
40:48I remember saying to him, at that time of the morning, it'll be rammed.
40:52So when the doors open, take two paces forward and grab a pole.
40:56And just do not move.
41:00David was killed by Mohamed Sadiq Khan at Edgware Road.
41:04He got on the circle line, but went the wrong way.
41:12It was his first trip to London, and his first time on the tube.
41:16So that was, I had to hear.
41:21With fresh leads emerging all the time, in Buckinghamshire, police have been scouring a house which it's believed had been rented by the King's Cross bomber.
41:41Jermaine Lindsay, he was the fourth bomber.
41:44A 19-year-old from a very different demographic background, who is a convert to Islam at some point in his teens.
41:54Jermaine Lindsay's classmates said they found him increasingly difficult to talk to in the final years of school.
42:00And he came back with this totally different attitude.
42:03And said he was a member of them one summer, did he?
42:05One summer.
42:05I think so.
42:06One summer.
42:07And he, like he was saying...
42:08He took Urdu lessons, and he were passionate about his religion, passionate, and that was his life.
42:14His religion was his life.
42:15Yeah, it was.
42:16It appears that he had had a challenging family and domestic background, and seems to have completely changed personality, and then turns up as one of the four bombers on the 7th of July.
42:32Was that a big question mark for you? How were they connected?
42:36Early days, but then the common denominator became geographic.
42:40We learned that Jermaine Lindsay had met up with the others because they frequented the same areas, and had similar influences.
42:50I cannot deny playing a vital role, a pivotal role, in the Islamisation of Jermaine Lindsay.
43:10We were getting bodied out for probably 10 days. We were all exhausted.
43:24We were down there 18 hours a day minimum, every day.
43:28Could take about eight hours or more to get one body out.
43:31How do you feel towards the bomber?
43:42It's a hard question, isn't it?
43:46Um, to see the amount of death that he caused, innocent people.
43:57Well, I can't, can I hate him?
44:02I don't know.
44:04I could probably hate him.
44:11And there is a photograph of me driving an electric train.
44:17But, it's like I'm not there.
44:20I look into my eyes, and I don't see me.
44:26It's when he's starting to reflect upon it.
44:28And the subsequent effect it's had on your life.
44:35You've seen senseless death.
44:37It's always there.
44:38It doesn't go away.
44:42It's something you don't want to burden anybody else with.
44:44Because of the, the horrors of it, it's a personal thing.
44:56I remember the last day when we left Russell Square.
45:00And we walked into Russell Square Gardens.
45:03It was just a sea of flowers and, and it, I just, I just cried.
45:10I sobbed.
45:22Russell Square is the best thing I ever did in my life.
45:24Because I looked after the people that were dead.
45:45Police officers came to tell us that David was in the murder room.
45:47When would we like to go and see him?
46:00We'd been warned that it would be difficult.
46:06But you have to see your son.
46:08You can't not see him.
46:09So we went in and sat with him for a while.
46:16There was no conscious thoughts going through our minds at that point.
46:19Our brains were just full of emotion.
46:21So there was no real thought.
46:22I remember we, we were just together.
46:26And then we came out and I was given a cardboard box the size of a shoe box.
46:42And in it were the few bits and pieces of David's belongings.
46:46David's birthday is in March.
46:48And for his birthday, I'd bought him a watch.
46:50It was completely unmarked, despite the fact David was only a metre away from the bomb.
46:56The next thing that we decided we'd do was we'd get on the tube, go to Edgewater Road.
47:10So we were just passengers getting on a very busy train and we just went to a few stops,
47:15just like all the other commuters.
47:19It was just something that Janet and I needed to do,
47:23to be on that journey that David must have taken.
47:26And we also felt it was an important message
47:30because we were prepared to give anything to the bombers
47:35that they'd achieved something by making people fearful of the tube.
47:38I have finally and reluctantly come to the conclusion that my son was involved in the bus blast.
48:04Aseep must have perceived his victims as faceless strangers,
48:12rather than people with loves, lives, families and careers.
48:20Why did he seek this notoriety?
48:27Did he convince himself he would be rewarded?
48:35Mr. Hussain went through the usual stages of grief, disbelief, anger.
48:40He was very angry at one point.
48:42We had a few angry days, you know, and then I would just make my visits brief.
48:48I knew when to withdraw.
48:50I do wonder why Hussain did what he did,
48:59because he came from such a loving...
49:02..family.
49:07When it became apparent that they had no knowledge of their son's involvement,
49:17all they wanted was his body back.
49:19That's all. They kept saying, we just want his body back.
49:21Why can't we have his body back?
49:23And, of course, I couldn't.
49:24It took a long time to get his body back.
49:27There wasn't much of him to come back, to be honest.
49:29Very, very little.
49:31And, um, as soon as they did get their body back, that was it.
49:34I wasn't allowed in the house any more.
49:37The shutters came down.
49:44Was Hussain entirely aware of what he was doing?
49:47And if so, what inspired him to blow himself up?
49:55Could I have done anything to spark my son's radicalization?
49:59If I, or any member of my family, had suspected anything about Hussain,
50:06I would have spoken to him.
50:09But we never saw anything suspicious.
50:18This is the uncomfortable truth.
50:20It is a truth I have wrestled with over the years.
50:24The Metropolitan Police Commissioner has appealed
50:28to Muslim communities to end what he called a denial
50:32that there were extremists in their midst.
50:35It is not the police.
50:37It is not the intelligence services who will defeat terrorism.
50:41It is communities who will defeat terrorism.
50:44We have to seize a moment in which the Muslim communities of Britain
50:49changes from a current position of shock and disbelief
50:54into active engagement in counter-terrorism.
50:57The jihadist rhetoric had been so rampant in the UK.
51:04Prepare as much as you can.
51:06You know, people are bound to get radicalized.
51:09From space and from Huss, too terrified! Terrorized!
51:14For a long time, I lived for death, I believe,
51:17because I was committed to attaining what we considered martyrdom.
51:23That is the problem.
51:25The people like myself or Muhammad Siddiq Khan,
51:29we believed in what we were going to do or did
51:32to have been according to what pleases God.
51:35But it was wrong.
51:47By the grace of God, I have been afforded the time
51:50to think, to learn, to reflect and change.
51:56So I do what I do now.
51:58If I had met Muhammad Siddiq Khan, I would have sat down with him and said,
52:13Brother, who convinced you against the Prophet's teaching?
52:18Why are you so naive?
52:21That this is not Islam.
52:23This is something God hates.
52:25This is something the Prophet would not have approved.
52:27What I would try and foster is think for yourself.
52:31Who are you?
52:33You are accountable to God.
52:39Much of jihad is waged because we want to help suffering people.
52:44We are not taught to see the suffering on the other side.
52:47That's where the mistake lies.
52:57After 7-7, once the bomber's identity is known,
53:02you wonder whether could we have prevented what had happened.
53:11You need to look back to see if we've missed something,
53:14if there were lessons to be learned.
53:16Looking back, we discovered Muhammad Siddiq Khan and Shawaz Tanwir,
53:25in the margins of the crevice plot.
53:27The plan was to kill large numbers of people.
53:37Their targets were nightclubs, synagogues, and shopping centres.
53:42We had extensive coverage of that plot, and we knew who the plotters were.
53:46Our judgement at the time, and I'm sure this was correct,
53:54was that Muhammad Siddiq Khan and Shawaz Tanwir weren't part of the crevice plot.
53:59The leader of the crevice had something like 4,000 contacts.
54:04It's not feasible to identify all of those.
54:12Irma Kayyam was the leader of the crevice plot.
54:25When 7-7 happened, I was at the Old Bailey, representing Irma Kayyam.
54:29And I suppose you had absolutely no idea there was any connection.
54:33Oh, I had no idea at the time that there was any connection with any of this.
54:37But I realised, having done a few terrorism cases,
54:40that the same names came up, the same methodology came up.
54:45There was links, whether directly or indirectly.
54:50There was a network, and that was clear.
54:52It was clear.
55:03Get in, bro.
55:04I'll give you a hand.
55:05I'll give you a hand.
55:06How long does it take to get to the training camp?
55:10You're going to the tribal areas.
55:11I'll tell you up there, you can get your head cut off.
55:12Don't tell your real name to no one.
55:13With regards to the baby, I'm debating whether or not to say goodbye.
55:17When the time comes for you to leave at the end of the day, tell them you love them.
55:21It's because we love the Islamic way of life this much.
55:26You go into the tribal areas.
55:28I'll tell you up there you can get your head cut off.
55:31Don't tell your real name to no one.
55:36With regards to the baby,
55:38I'm debating whether or not to say goodbye.
55:41When the time comes for you to leave at the end of the day,
55:44tell them you love them.
55:46It's because we love the Islamic way of life this much.
55:49That's why we stay away from them.
55:51I know it's better for them.
55:53It's a one way ticket, bruv.
55:56I've got too long to go now.
56:06In the end, I'm going to really, really miss you.
56:11You're doing what I'm doing.
56:14I'm just going to be slammed.
56:17I just so much wanted to be with you.
56:21I have to do this thing for our future.
56:25During the wiretap in the car,
56:28they are discussing travelling to Pakistan to go to terrorist training camps.
56:34Would that not trigger the need to identify this person?
56:38We didn't know of that till after 7-7.
56:41But even had we picked it up at the time, they were talking about leaving and not coming back.
56:48There was clearly no plot.
56:58There was no 7-7 plot.
57:01Pakistan, do you feel like that is a point where they link up with Al-Qaeda for the first time?
57:06What I feel or not feel is irrelevant.
57:16But, guessing, it appears that while they were there, it was suggested to them that their efforts would be better spent attacking the UK.
57:31You're democratically elected governments continuously perpetually perpetually atrocities against my people all over the world.
57:47Whether they thought that for themselves or instructed or inspired, I don't know.
57:52We are at war, United soldiers.
57:55Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.
57:59We need to establish a number of things.
58:05Who supported them?
58:07Who financed them?
58:09Who trained them?
58:11Who encouraged them?
58:14I feared that Mohammed Sadiq Khan and Shadat Tanweer,
58:18they were part of a larger network that were going to carry out another attack.
58:237-7 wasn't just an isolated event.
58:29We're getting reports of a series of incidents.
58:37We're killing now, please keep moving!
58:39This could be a second wave of attacks.
58:42It's a bomb.
58:44He's trying to kill us.
58:46What went on, it was madness.
58:49Residents were fleeing for their lives.
58:51They're not warriors.
58:56They were just cowards.
58:58Now it's.
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