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Congress will hold a hearing Wednesday on unidentified anomalous phenomena, also known as UAPs. The event will feature firsthand accounts of UAPs sightings and assess their possible threat to U.S. national security.
The hearing, titled “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency” will be hosted by the House Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs.
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Congress will hold a hearing Wednesday on unidentified anomalous phenomena, also known as UAPs. The event will feature firsthand accounts of UAPs sightings and assess their possible threat to U.S. national security.
The hearing, titled “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency” will be hosted by the House Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs.
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00:00Now it was, and he realized he couldn't share that openly with the recipients of the email,
00:05and therefore the email was pulled from everybody's account.
00:08Again, tell us what happened to the email from the commander of Fleet Forces.
00:12The day after I received it and all the other recipients received it,
00:16which were all the subordinate commanders of U.S. Fleet Forces,
00:19so one and two-star admirals, including strike group commanders,
00:22the email was wiped or deleted from our accounts, and then no one talked about it.
00:27All right. Have you specifically had any experience with submersible objects?
00:34Sir, I have no personal experience, but I've had witnesses on submarines come to me
00:40and say they've seen on sonar data.
00:44Correct. How would you characterize those, and how do they move?
00:49The one instance that was revealed to me was in the 80s on a nuclear-powered submarine.
00:57A ballistic missile submarine that the object exhibited the characteristics of a Russian torpedo
01:02in terms of its speed of movement and closing rate with the submarine,
01:06and then it slowed and followed the submarine slowly in its wake for a period of minutes
01:14and then rapidly exited the scene.
01:16Nothing that we know of in technology-wise could replicate that.
01:19And the speed of these objects was faster than anything that we have
01:23or anybody else has that would be manned. Is that correct?
01:26It was on the order of a torpedo.
01:28Underwater.
01:29Yes, sir.
01:30Yes, sir. But as it exited...
01:31Well, I don't exactly know how fast a torpedo is, but I suspect it does better
01:35than my old outboard Scott Atwater, so I'll take that as a yes.
01:39Yes, sir.
01:40Have you experienced any experience with the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, Arrow?
01:47Yes, sir Congressman, as I mentioned previously, I have met with them.
01:52Okay. You heard Mr. Alexander describe psychological operations for those contacting the Department of Defense about UAPs.
02:00You mentioned a similar influence operation by Arrow.
02:03Why are federal agencies invested in running information operations about UAPs if they do not exist?
02:11Yes, sir.
02:12But I'll make a statement on Arrow's behalf.
02:15They have new leadership.
02:16The office has reached out to me to meet again, and I take that as a good-faith effort, and we'll see where that goes.
02:23Chair Lady, I've run over.
02:24Thank you, Mr. Tennessee.
02:25I would now like to recognize Mr. Higgins.
02:30You're the king of Tennessee.
02:31Mr. Higgins, you're recognized for five minutes of questions.
02:35Thank you, Madam Chair.
02:37Mr. Elizondo, Mr. Schellenberger notes in the report that we've been given for this hearing,
02:46I believe Mr. Schellenberger, let me shift, you are the author of this report?
02:51I'm sorry, sir.
02:52I am not the author.
02:53Mr. Schellenberger, were you the author of this report?
02:57No, I was not.
02:57There's no name on it.
02:58No.
02:59Do you know the author?
03:01I do.
03:01You do.
03:02And how would you estimate that, madam or gentleman, the author?
03:06The person is a current or former U.S. government employee.
03:11And it states here that this is the public version of the author's report.
03:17Yes.
03:18So where might one find the non-public version of the author's report?
03:24I don't know the answer to that.
03:25Would that be with the Department of Defense?
03:28I don't know.
03:28But you do know the author?
03:33I do.
03:33Do you know what the author's sources were?
03:36The author's sources are described in the report, these databases, the Immaculate Consolation.
03:44But you expressed some confidence in the sources.
03:48I would.
03:48Earlier in testimony.
03:50You expressed confidence.
03:52So do you know those sources?
03:53I do.
03:54Are they within the Department of Defense?
03:56I can't say.
03:57You can't say or you won't say?
03:59I won't say.
04:00Okay.
04:01Why not?
04:02Because I protect my sources and I think the reason—
04:04But you're not naming them.
04:05It's a big department.
04:06Many of us on my side of the aisle would say it's far too big.
04:10So you're talking about the Department of Defense, sources from within the Department of Defense?
04:16I'm not willing to reduce the potential universe of where my sources might be.
04:23Okay, moving on.
04:24In this report, Mr. Elizondo, for reference, several types of allegedly alien craft or possibly alien craft or unknown aerial phenomena,
04:38what we used to call UFOs, or describe spheres and orbs, discs and saucers, oval or tic-tac, triangular shape, boomerang and arrowhead,
04:51and irregular or organic.
04:54Mr. Elizondo, does that summarize to you the types of craft that we're discussing today?
05:00Sir, that is a general morphology, historically speaking, of many UAPs.
05:04Okay, so those descriptions are very different craft.
05:09Is it your assessment that they would come of different origins?
05:17It's possible, but it also could be a matter of utility.
05:20And let me just say for the record, I never read the report that or the article that Mr. Schellenberger put out.
05:26That's a good point.
05:27We're just referencing it.
05:28Yes, sir.
05:29For descriptive purposes for the American people.
05:32Mr. Schellenberger, in this report, it's striking to me that regarding the descriptions of experiences with these various craft,
05:47several of them include biological effects and several do not.
05:53Are you familiar with what I'm talking about?
05:55Yes.
05:55Okay, so spheres and orbs, triangular craft, and irregular or organic craft include some descriptions of biological effects,
06:07including feelings of unease, electronic device malfunctions, long-term psychological effects,
06:17such as anxiety or insomnia, such as anxiety or insomnia, have been noted, feeling of being watched,
06:23a shared awareness with the triangle craft, and under the irregular and organic craft,
06:34biological effects include physical sensations of warmth or cold and unexplained smells and psychological distress.
06:44So these are very specific descriptions of the reactions of human beings,
06:51which allegedly have been noted from a study here, a report.
06:59All of those experiences would have been described by the sources that the author used?
07:07I'm not sure I understand.
07:08This is a very broad description of biological effects, and it's striking to me that they are present with relation to some types of craft,
07:21but absent in others.
07:23This would require a great deal of research and study.
07:27Can you explain that?
07:29My understanding is that this is, the database is very large.
07:32It includes both the images, the videos, the still images, as well as the human intelligence, the reports, the raw data from individuals having these experiences.
07:42So in answer to your question, yeah, I mean, I think we're looking at a very large amount of data collected over many decades.
07:49And that data is held by the Department of Defense?
07:51Well, I will say that after I published, I was told that this program, that the USAP, was actually managed by the Department of Defense, but held at the White House.
08:05Roger that.
08:05But that's a single source, and I don't have multiple sources to verify that.
08:10Thank you, sir.
08:10I did my best to trick an answer out of you, but I was partially successful.
08:15Madam Chair, I yield.
08:17I now recognize Mr. Frost for five minutes of questions.
08:20Thank you, Madam Chair.
08:22In addition to serving on this committee, the Oversight Committee, I also serve on the Science, Space, and Technology Committee,
08:28where we often discuss how essential data and evidence are used in science and used at departments such as NASA.
08:37During a hearing, NASA Administrator Nelson affirmed the importance of NASA in helping us to understand UAP.
08:44Mr. Gold, if the government doesn't have the data it needs on UAP because, say, someone who saw something is concerned about stigma, public backlash, etc.,
08:57or maybe there's just not good systems in place, how are we supposed to ultimately figure out what's going on?
09:04Yeah, thank you for the question, and let me compliment Administrator Nelson that there wouldn't have been a UAP independent study team if it wasn't for his leadership and courage.
09:12We're talking about data and where we can get data from.
09:16As I described, NASA has whole archives of data, much of which I believe will likely have information that will help inform UAP.
09:25We need only look, and again, in an era with AI and ML, we can relatively quickly and easily go through it, so I think it's something that we should encourage NASA to do.
09:35However, per Chairman Grofman's comment about UAP focusing on national security sites, I believe there's something, Sarah, that you may have heard of called sensor bias,
09:44that because we've got more cameras, more monitoring of national security, we don't know how extensive UAP activity may be over civilian areas,
09:53and this is to the second part of your question where we're not collecting the data.
09:56We're not collecting sufficient data from pilots.
09:58We're not collecting sufficient data from civilian and commercial activities, and this is, again, where ASRS, I think, could substantially change that,
10:06get the data out there, and allow us to do good science.
10:10I mean, on the data, you know, I'm a really big proponent of transparency,
10:16but obviously there's always a little bit of balance that we have to have in government on transparency as well.
10:21I mean, last year, NASA appointed a director of UAP research in response to the recommendation by the independent study team.
10:27In the final report, there's a quote, despite numerous accounts and visuals,
10:32the absence of consistent, detailed, and curated observations means we do not presently have the body of data needed
10:39to make definite and scientific conclusions about UAP.
10:43Can you just talk really quickly about that balance of security and transparency?
10:48So I can say, having served at NASA, it is the most transparent organization I've ever been in.
10:54When we would have conversations of executive leadership, things would leak out almost instantly.
10:59So I can assure you, intentionally or not, NASA is very transparent.
11:03I don't know if many of you have worked with engineers or scientists.
11:05They love to talk.
11:07So I believe that NASA is a paradigm of transparency, but we must have the ability and the data to be able to be transparent with.
11:20And if we're not gathering that, if we're not looking at it, then we can't bring NASA into the game
11:25and get to that good science that you need.
11:27You know, it was about a year ago, I was touring a facility with a pretty senior government official.
11:35We went by a certain hangar, and they said, yeah, that's, you know, a company leases that out.
11:40We don't really know what's going on in there.
11:42We have no way of knowing what's going on in there.
11:45And there was a few of those, in fact, while we were driving around this facility.
11:50To what extent do you think that some of the UAP out there comes from off the books or unauthorized experimental aircraft?
11:58I mean, I think probably the vast majority of UAP are drones, experimental aircraft, weather conditions,
12:06which is, again, why I say if we review the data, I think we're going to discover a lot about things we weren't even thinking about.
12:10But there is a percentage that isn't.
12:13And looking into those anomalies is how discoveries will be made.
12:17And relative to science, Congressman, if I can say, when NASA studies black holes, when NASA studies galaxies,
12:23we have instruments that are tailored to do so.
12:26With UAP, we're using cockpit gun cameras or cell phones.
12:32We could never do good science with that.
12:34And let me tell you, the NASA budget is under pressure.
12:37We need to make sure that the Artemis program is funded fully.
12:40We need to beat China to the moon and maintain our presence in low Earth orbit.
12:44So NASA would need more money to do this.
12:47But I think tailored instruments that would look at UAP in the same way that we have tailored instruments
12:51to look at astronomical data is important to gathering valuable and uniform information.
12:56If we were studying black holes by using fighter cockpit cameras, we probably wouldn't know that much about black holes.
13:04A hundred percent.
13:05Well, I think it's important that federal leaders take the necessary steps to ensure that UAP does not pose threats to the American public as well,
13:11and that we have the necessary budgets to collect this data so we can actually see what's going on.
13:17And I'm fully supportive of funding the Artemis mission.
13:20And I think it's very important.
13:22Also, a personal note, the pilot is a frat brother of mine.
13:28He is a member of the Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Incorporated, and so I would love to see my fraternity make it to the moon.
13:35But Redwire is building the cameras for Artemis, so we will take some pictures of your frat brother and get them.
13:39There we go.
13:39Thank you so much.
13:40I yield back.
13:41I will now recognize Ms. Luna for five minutes of questioning.
13:44Mr. Elizondo, to your knowledge, can you name the country and around time frame that the first back-engineered UAP program started?
13:54Ma'am, unfortunately, I would not be able to have that conversation in public.
13:58Can anyone on the panel name that?
14:01I cannot.
14:02None of you?
14:03Okay.
14:05This next question is for Mr. Gallaudet.
14:10To your knowledge, have any USOs ever outpaced our submarines?
14:13Yes, ma'am.
14:15At what magnitude?
14:17I don't have the exact speed, but again, a witness came to me, a credible former submarine officer who observed it on sonar data,
14:26and this was in the 80s in the North Atlantic during a storm, and it outpaced his submarine by orders of magnitude.
14:33Are you aware of any hot spots that currently exist off our shores in North America?
14:38Not with sufficiently credible data, ma'am.
14:44Okay.
14:44We've heard reports of there potentially being hot spots, maybe entry and exit points.
14:51Have you heard of any of that?
14:52I have not, ma'am, but my colleague here, Mr. Elizondo, does discuss some USO activity that he's observed in certain DOD databases.
15:02Mr. Elizondo, in regards to these aircraft being piloted by whatever they might be, non-human biologics,
15:10are you, would you agree that it's likely that they are being piloted by some mind-body connection?
15:18Ma'am, I think it is safe to presume here that they are being intelligently controlled because some cases seem to anticipate our maneuvers,
15:28and in other cases they seem to, and I came across an email where the word stalked was used in a very secure email
15:38between Navy officers discussing their ships being pursued by a UAP.
15:44In our previous panel, we had Grush, and he had testified to say that some of these were interdimensional beings.
15:50Can you speak on that at all?
15:52Ma'am, I'm not qualified, certainly as a scientist or otherwise, to speculate points of origin.
15:58I looked at everything from a scientific perspective, so if you look at, for example, instantaneous acceleration,
16:04which was one of the observables of the program that I belong to, AATIP,
16:08the human body can withstand about 9G forces for a short period of time before you suffer negative biological consequences,
16:14blackouts and ultimately redouts and even death.
16:17Comparison, our best technology, the F-16, which is one of the older platform,
16:21but one of our most highly maneuverable aircraft, manned aircraft, made by General Dynamics,
16:25can perform about 17 or 18G forces before you start having structural failure,
16:30meaning that the airframe begins to disintegrate while you're flying.
16:33The vehicles we're talking about are performing in excess of 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 Gs.
16:41So are you, I guess would it be safe to infer that they're living craft?
16:49You know, I'm not prepared at this point to state for the record is something alive or not,
16:54because even that definition, there was a time in science we thought that life required oxygen,
17:00and we now know that's not true.
17:02There are anaerobic bacteria that thrive in oxygen environments that lack oxygen,
17:07and also the same with photosynthesis.
17:09When I was in college, I was told everything is derived from photosynthesis as a form of energy.
17:15In reality, that's not true.
17:16There are things that live off of chemosynthesis.
17:18So we're constantly having to reevaluate our understanding of what the definition of life is.
17:25Do any of you ever come across reports from people that claim to have firsthand experiences
17:31with these entities, whatever they might be, or these aircraft,
17:34and then as a result, whether or not they're religious,
17:37find that these things will automatically disappear?
17:40Anyone?
17:41This is open to any of you on the panel.
17:43So just real quick, because I'm running out of time.
17:44Lou?
17:46Ma'am, I've always been a nuts and bolts kind of guy when I was at ATIP.
17:51I was focusing more on the performance characteristics
17:53and less on the potential occupants.
17:57Okay.
17:57The reason I ask is because it seems like just based on our conversations
18:00that we've had people that say that there are good and bad of whatever these things are.
18:05And so my concern from a national security perspective is,
18:08A, that true?
18:09B, are you guys hearing the reports of that?
18:10And C, I think moving forward in regards to technology, Mr. Gold,
18:13if you can answer this real quickly.
18:14Some of these aircraft, it seems that they are operating off of energy
18:18that we don't currently have.
18:20But just yes or no, in your opinion, if we were able to obtain that,
18:23would that impact humanity for the better or negative?
18:26It would certainly save us some money on funding on Artemis.
18:29Definitely.
18:29And this is a national security issue, that if there is such technology out there,
18:33we're not the only country that might have access to it.
18:35We don't want to be on the wrong end of technological surprise.
18:39Okay.
18:40Thank you guys for your time.
18:41All right.
18:43I will now recognize Mr. Garcia for five minutes.
18:46And I apologize for stepping out.
18:48My governor is here upstairs, so I'm trying to get in between meetings,
18:51so I apologize for that.
18:53I want to just start by just asking everyone on the panel,
18:56witnesses, and I had a chance to read all the testimony before.
19:00But just to set the agenda, just if we can go down real briefly,
19:02do you believe, just for the record, that the federal government,
19:06any part of the federal government is knowingly concealing evidence
19:09about UAPs from the public?
19:12Yes, sir.
19:15100%.
19:15Yes.
19:17Yes.
19:18I also want to just go down the line.
19:20I know many of you have already said this,
19:22but just for the record again, just briefly,
19:23what do you believe UAPs could be or are?
19:31Strong evidence that they are non-human, higher intelligence.
19:36I echo my colleague's comment, sir.
19:40Genuinely do not know.
19:43Don't know, but we must find out.
19:46Okay.
19:47I appreciate those answers, gentlemen.
19:49I think this is obviously another remarkable hearing
19:53with just really important information,
19:54so I thank all of you for answering the questions.
19:57Admiral, I just want to go back to one thing.
20:00Now, last year, our subcommittee heard
20:01from two retired Navy pilots,
20:03Lieutenant Ryan Graves and Commander David Fravor.
20:06Regarding UAPs, actually, I think Ryan is here in the audience
20:09and been a great person to get to know
20:12and to have conversations with.
20:13He, of course, has been involved
20:15in the Safe Airspace for Americans Act
20:18with Chairman Graves,
20:20with Chairwoman Mace
20:21for UAP reporting by civilian aviation personnel.
20:24Can you discuss briefly why it's important
20:26for civilian pilots to be able to report UAPs
20:29and why these legal protections
20:30are critical for national security?
20:34Yes, Congressman, thank you.
20:35And I did invite Ryan Graves as my guest
20:38as I'm on his advisory board
20:40for the Americans for Safe Aerospace
20:41and the legislation that you supported and introduced
20:43I fully support as well.
20:45And I think it's important
20:46that more civilian pilots, commercial pilots, report
20:50so we can better understand and learn and do research on UAP
20:54as well as remove the stigma
20:56so more citizens report on what they observe.
21:00And also, it will only contribute to aviation safety
21:03when we have a better understanding of where these UAP are,
21:06how they operate, and at what frequency and what capability level.
21:10So it's important for aviation safety
21:12and it will be important for moving science and research forward.
21:15Thank you, sir.
21:15And I just want to just reiterate to my colleagues,
21:17I mean, this is a very bipartisan piece of legislation,
21:20and we just got to continue to get this through the Congress.
21:23And it's incredibly important that civilian pilots
21:26have the opportunity to safely report the UAPs
21:30that they are seeing or encountering in the air.
21:31And I can't express how critical this piece of what I believe
21:36is a larger collection of evidence and facts actually happened.
21:40We've been approached by pilots.
21:42I've talked to folks that have been engaged with our office and others,
21:46and there is still enormous stigma.
21:49And essentially, we don't have a system where folks are feeling free
21:53to be able to report what they're seeing.
21:54And so I just want to reiterate that advocacy.
21:58Mr. Gold, in your testimony,
21:59you discussed NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System,
22:02a confidential, non-punitive reporting mechanism.
22:05In the Safe Airspace for Americans Act,
22:07we explicitly allow for civilian reporting, of course, of UAPs.
22:10Can you explain why the NASA Task Force recommended the use
22:14of the Aviation Safety Reporting System?
22:17The Aviation Safety Reporting System is an existing system that is trusted,
22:22that has taken hundreds of thousands, now millions of cases.
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22:41The stigma without spending really that much more additional money
22:45since the system exists.
22:47Thank you so much for your support of that.
22:49Thank you for what Ryan Graves does.
22:50This is a common-sense means to expose the truth of UAP
22:53for the purpose of this hearing.
22:56And I just want to also add,
22:57now earlier this year,
22:58as part of the House Defense Authorization Bill, the NDAA,
23:01I filed an amendment to include the UAP Disclosure Act,
23:04which would create a UAP Records Review Board
23:06with exercise of eminent domain over UAP-related material
23:11modeled actually on the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act,
23:14which is widely known.
23:16Now, the amendment was blocked,
23:18but thankfully the Senate included the amendment
23:20by Senator Rounds and Schumer for the UAP Disclosure Act.
23:23So I just again want to say that we should be pushing
23:26and ensuring the UAP Disclosure Act,
23:29which is bipartisan in its support,
23:31should move forward.
23:33And if I can just briefly,
23:34also particularly Adam Rold,
23:37can you just briefly, as I close my time,
23:38explain why the UAP Disclosure Act
23:41would be critical for us and our national security?
23:43Thank you, Congressman.
23:45Yes, I believe the UAP Disclosure Act
23:47is important for national security
23:49as well as advancing potential socioeconomic benefits
23:52resulting from UAP research,
23:54as well as public safety,
23:55as we referred to previously regarding aviation.
23:58And this act will allow for greater transparency
24:01and open research,
24:03and that's why I'm also a member of the UAP Disclosure Fund
24:06as an advisor, as a sole foundation,
24:09as a senior strategic advisor,
24:11which is advocating for the same.
24:12Thank you very much.
24:13I yield back.
24:14All right, thank you.
24:14I'd like to recognize Mr. Biggs
24:15for five minutes of questioning.
24:17Thank you, Madam Chair.
24:18Thank you for holding this committee.
24:18Thank you to the witnesses.
24:21Admiral, the video that is called the Go Fast video,
24:26the email that you've talked about being deleted,
24:29I just want to briefly cover this.
24:31You said that the author was asking
24:37whether any of the recipients were aware
24:38of the classified technology demonstrations
24:40that could explain the objects that were observed.
24:43And then you said the email disappears.
24:47Then you guys have a series of meetings.
24:52The commander of fleet forces
24:53and his operations officer never discussed the incident again.
24:56Is that accurate?
24:57That's accurate, sir.
24:58And even during weekly meetings,
25:01it was never discussed again.
25:03My question for you is, you were in those meetings.
25:06Did you personally hear that nothing was going on about that?
25:10Yes, sir.
25:11I was in those meetings.
25:13Did you make inquiries about that?
25:14No, I did not, sir, because I inferred,
25:18since I had been read into other special access programs,
25:22that this UAP video was part of one that I was not read into
25:26or any of the recipients or the author of the email,
25:29and that an intelligence agency basically pulled it back
25:32and instructed the author of the email,
25:36hey, this is, you just conducted what they call spillage
25:40into a lower classification level.
25:43And when that's done, the procedures are basically
25:45to remove any of the communication.
25:47You're going to silo it.
25:48So, Mr. Elizondo, you said in your report
25:54and your testimony today,
25:57a government work on the UAP subject still remains classified.
26:01Excessive secrecy has led to grave misdeeds
26:03against loyal civil servants, military personnel, and the public,
26:06all to hide the fact that we are not alone in the country.
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