🚨 Apr 14 2025 - Tucker w- Curt Weldon - Former 20yr (R) Congressman Blows The Whistle On 9-11 - video Dailymotion

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After twenty years in congress, Curt Weldon was about to become chairman of the House Armed Services Committee when he publicly questioned the accuracy of the 9/11 report.  In retaliation, the Bush administration sent federal agents to his daughter’s house and ended his political career. At 77, Weldon has decided to tell the truth about what actually happened on September 11th, 2001.  W. Curtis. Weldon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Weldon . #News #Politics #Trump 47 #Juan O Savin #Nino #Jennifer Mac #Michael Jaco #Education #Republican #USAID #Documentary #

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00:00:00We recorded the interview you're about to watch five days ago, and I've been thinking about it

00:00:04ever since. It's with a former congressman from Pennsylvania called Kurt Weldon. Kurt Weldon was

00:00:09a very significant figure in Washington 20 years ago. He was not some obscure backbencher. He was

00:00:14one of the most powerful Republicans in the Congress about to take over the Armed Services

00:00:18Committee until he asked questions about the official story on 9-11, at which point the Bush

00:00:25administration sent the FBI to his daughter's house, destroyed her life, never charged her

00:00:29with a crime, and effectively got Kurt Weldon bounced out of Congress. I haven't talked

00:00:34to him in 20 years. I didn't know exactly what to expect, but this conversation, the one you're

00:00:39about to see, raises far more questions than I ever anticipated. This is not a crazy person.

00:00:44These are not crazy questions. He makes no claims he doesn't have personal firsthand evidence

00:00:50of. When it ended, I asked him how many other officials who were in and around Washington

00:00:56during 9-11 have similar questions, and he said to me, as far as I know, all of them, and

00:01:03he's still in touch with a lot of those people. After this conversation, which again we've been

00:01:06thinking about ever since, I thought it might be time to look a little more deeply into the

00:01:119-11 commission report. Was it accurate? 9-11 changed the United States forever. Those

00:01:17of us who remember it, who lived through it, can tell you this was a different country afterward,

00:01:22completely different, and not a better country. And so there is no more significant historical

00:01:28event in the lifetimes of any living American than 9-11. And the fact that there are still

00:01:32outstanding questions about what exactly happened and why is troubling. Up until this point, most

00:01:39of the people who've addressed these questions are either crazy or seem slightly crazy. Now is

00:01:44the time for a sober look. Not a wild-eyed speculative look, but an honest look and honest

00:01:51conversations with people who participated in the response to that day, government officials.

00:01:57And so we're going to do that. We are planning right now a multi-part documentary series on 9-11.

00:02:03And we hope to bring that to you as soon as we possibly can. And now, former Congressman

00:02:07Kurt Weldon. Congressman, thank you so much for doing this. I haven't seen you in 20 years.

00:02:11One of the last times I thought about you was right around 2006. And you had been a frequent

00:02:18guest on the show that I was hosting then. And I read that the FBI had raided your daughter's

00:02:22house. And I thought, man, I was like Kurt Weldon. I guess he's corrupt. And then I never heard

00:02:28anything about it. And then you lost that election to a guy who I always thought was kind of repulsive.

00:02:33And then probably 15 years passed. And I thought to myself, wait a second, Kurt Weldon was the

00:02:38only Republican I'm aware of who criticized the U.S. response, the intel agency's response

00:02:45to 9-11, who wrote a book blaming elements of the U.S. government for allowing 9-11 to

00:02:51happen and then covering it up. And then right on the cusp of becoming, tell me if I'm getting

00:02:55this wrong, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, the FBI raids your daughter's house

00:03:00and you lose an election in which your opponent has funding from all over the United States.

00:03:04No one's ever heard of this guy. All of a sudden, he's got more money and you're out of Congress.

00:03:09And I began to think, maybe this was a setup. So I thought I would ask you.

00:03:13Well, it definitely was. And you're always one of my heroes. I enjoyed your show with Paul

00:03:18Begala and when I did Henry Combs and all the others and enjoyed. And I took my work very

00:03:25seriously. I'm a teacher by profession, youngest of nine kids, firefighter as a volunteer all my

00:03:31life. And that's my devotion even to this day. I don't get any money for it, but it's what I'm

00:03:35committed to and why I care about 9-11 so much. I was at 9-11. I was not 9-11. I was at Trade

00:03:42Center in 93 at the invitation of Fire Commissioner Howard Safer to go up there and learn about what

00:03:48had occurred the first time they attacked us. And they introduced me to a young fire officer,

00:03:52former Marine, five kids named Ray Downey. He became one of my best friends. Ray told me what he

00:03:58thought we should do. I took his advice seriously and wrote the legislation to create the Gilmore

00:04:03Commission. The Gilmore Commission was chaired by Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore, a man of integrity.

00:04:08I had him on a podcast last September for 20 minutes. And the Gilmore Commission's recommendations

00:04:14were largely what the 9-11 Commission took credit for after the fact. One of those recommendations

00:04:19was to have a fusion center of intelligence be put together. At the time, I was doing this on behalf

00:04:26of the firefighters to deal with disasters. I was in the position to oversee the funding as the

00:04:32chairman of all military research and technology funding, about $180 billion. The services were

00:04:38building information-dominant centers. The armies was at Fort Belvoir, and I would get down there

00:04:43regularly and meet with them, and we became good friends. I didn't bother getting right into the

00:04:49program. I didn't need to, but I knew what they were using with new software like Starlight Inspires

00:04:54and fusion and data mining and analysis and link analysis. This is going to be important to prevent

00:05:00what happened in 93. So I supported that. Which was the first bombing of the World Trade Center.

00:05:03First bombing. Right. And as a result, I went to John Hamry, Deputy Secretary of Defense under Clinton,

00:05:10and I said, John, you have to go see what they're doing down there. He did. He called me, said,

00:05:14you're right, Mr. Chairman. And by the way, John Hamry had endorsed me for chairman of the committee

00:05:18in 2000, as did Rumsfeld. You know, this is before 9-11, obviously. Both endorsed me publicly. I had

00:05:26their letters. And he said, but you've got to convince the CIA and the FBI to let us use their

00:05:31raw data because there are 33 classified systems, and if they don't allow us to use their data, this

00:05:37won't succeed. On November the 4th of 1999, in my office in the Rayburn building, I had John

00:05:44Hamry, Deputy Secretary of Defense. I had the Deputy Director of the FBI, and I had their names,

00:05:48and the Deputy Director of the CIA. And we talked about the NOAA, National Operation Analysis Hub,

00:05:54Policymaker and Warfighters Tool to Deal with Emerging Transnational Terrorist Threats,

00:05:59the Fusion Center. Hamry said, we need this. I'll manage it. I said, I'll get it funded.

00:06:04The FBI said, great, we're all in. And the CIA said, we don't want it. We're not supporting it.

00:06:09We're doing something called CI-21 on our own. I spent two years traveling around the country,

00:06:15giving speeches at intelligence forums, calling for a fusion center. I put language in two successive

00:06:21defense bills, calling for a fusion center. 9-11 happens. I get frantic calls from four of those

00:06:28professional staffers at the Able Danger team, which I later learned was the name of this group

00:06:33at Fort Belvoir. We have to see you right away, Mr. Chairman. Scott Philpott, Annapolis grad,

00:06:40Navy career officer, commander of four ships, pleading with me to meet. Tony Schaefer,

00:06:46Lieutenant Colonel, Bronze Star recipient, spy for the military. Eileen Pricer, Air Force career

00:06:53intelligence officer, expert on computers. And Eric Clinesmith. I met with each of them privately.

00:06:59They all told me the same story. And they rolled out the charts that I just showed you.

00:07:05Those charts I will make public now because they're not classified. I showed them when I

00:07:09testified before the Senate hearing. We identified every cell of al-Qaeda in the world the year before

00:07:159-11. We identified the New York cell a year before 9-11. We knew there was going to be a problem.

00:07:23The Able Danger team tried to go to the FBI and Justice Department three times. We have the names.

00:07:30All three times they were stopped. We have the names of the person, the FBI, that was told to deny the

00:07:35meetings. They were not allowed to transfer the information. That information, when I came out

00:07:40with my book, Louis Free, former FBI director, wrote in an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal and said on

00:07:46Good Morning America, could I prevent 9-11 from happening? That's not me saying that. That's Louis Free.

00:07:52In general, Keith Lambert, our general in charge of special operations on horseback, was asked in this

00:08:00award-winning book, became a movie, on page 27. General, what were your thoughts when 9-11 happened?

00:08:07And he said, within seconds, I knew who had done the attack. And I knew it involved Mohammed Atta.

00:08:11Thirdly, after this all broke and I came out with my book, criticizing the agency and started

00:08:18really going crazy, protecting these brave heroes that were being abused by defense intelligence.

00:08:23The inspector general for the Pentagon files a whistleblower paper. I have a copy of it. I'll

00:08:29give it to you. His name is John Crane. He asked for protection because his bosses in DIA

00:08:35refused to allow him to become a whistleblower when he told them that he was told to lie to the

00:08:41Congress. He was told to misinform the Congress. I have that in writing, Tucker. The 9-11 Commission

00:08:46is a cover-up. 1,000% cover-up. Zelikow was the lead of the cover-up.

00:08:53Philip Zelikow was the chairman. Philip Zelikow. He was handpicked by Condoleezza Rice.

00:08:57When Tony Schaefer met Zelikow over in Afghanistan, because Zelikow took a team through to see if there

00:09:05were soldiers who had maybe encountered some information about 9-11 in advance, Tony Schaefer

00:09:10had been back deployed in Afghanistan at the time. So he told his commanding officer, I should talk to

00:09:15them because I was a part of a special team. He met with Zelikow. They exchanged business cards

00:09:20and Kabul. And Zelikow said to him, Lieutenant Colonel, you've got to see me as soon as you

00:09:27get back to America. It's very important. When Tony went back to the States, they had shut down his

00:09:33office, locked his office, secured all his files, and they then worked to destroy his personal

00:09:39reputation. They tried to destroy his career. I went to the floor and did a one-hour special order.

00:09:46Calling it a scandal bigger than Watergate. You can watch the footage. It's available online.

00:09:51I said, this is outrageous that the Defense Intelligence Agency is screwing a lieutenant

00:09:55colonel because he's telling the truth about what he was told to talk about when he came back from

00:10:00Afghanistan. Tony Schaefer then went to work in the reserves because he had been basically harassed

00:10:08by the regular army because of what Zelikow did.

00:10:11So I just want to back up a couple steps. So you're saying what others have said before,

00:10:17which is that elements of the U.S. government worked really, really hard to hide the fact

00:10:23that they could have prevented 9-11, that they had all the relevant information and for whatever

00:10:27reason, ignored it. But motive really matters here. Do you believe that there were people in

00:10:33the U.S. government who made a bunch of mistakes or were too territorial and didn't share information with

00:10:39other agencies there for 9-11 happened, which is basically the conclusion of the 9-11 report,

00:10:42I think? Or do you believe that there were people in the U.S. government who knew it was going to

00:10:47happen and allowed it to happen on purpose?

00:10:49Well, first of all, the 9-11 report has no credibility. I don't believe anything that is

00:10:53in that. It's a bunch of garbage. It's a lot of paper that has no substance. And I tend not to want

00:11:00to speculate on things that I can't prove 100% myself or I'm not willing to take a polygraph.

00:11:05What I can tell you unequivocally is there was a cover-up. And before I answer your question,

00:11:10I would state one more fact. Tony Schaefer got approval from his commanding general after this

00:11:15whole thing happened to write his memoirs. His memoirs are called Dark Heart. So he wrote the

00:11:20book. He had a publisher. He went to his commanding general to review the book as his protocol.

00:11:26His commanding general said, fine, Tony. There's nothing there. That's a problem. Publish it.

00:11:30Tony publishes the book. Our deep state finds out he's publishing the book.

00:11:35A cease and desist order is issued against the publisher. Stop publishing the book. It's too late.

00:11:42Our government, our government buys all 10,000 copies of the first edition of Dark Heart

00:11:48with taxpayer money and they destroy them. So I asked Tony on a show last September,

00:11:56as I've done many times, Tony, you have the original version of the book, right?

00:12:00Yes, here it is, Congressman. You have the redacted version, right? Yes, here it is.

00:12:04What did they want out of your book that was so sensitive? What secret information were you giving,

00:12:10Tony? What classified information did your boss not see? He said, Congressman,

00:12:15the only thing they wanted out of my book was the fact that I named Zelikow and that I had briefed him

00:12:20in advance. That, Tucker, is treason. That means our agencies, our agencies use their position,

00:12:30not for something involving our national security, but for involving a cover-up of a person's identity

00:12:37who was publicly approved by the Congress of the United States, appointed by the security advisor

00:12:42to President Bush. It's a massive cover-up.

00:12:47At what point following 9-11, since I just want to restate, you served in Congress for about 20 years,

00:12:53I think, yep. And you really were at the heart of these questions, national security questions

00:12:59in the Congress. You were about to become chairman of armed services. So you're at the top of the

00:13:05pyramid for receiving relevant intelligence. At what point, you weren't just some random guy

00:13:11at all. At what point after 9-11, the attacks of that day, did you realize there's something

00:13:17bad going on here?

00:13:19Well, it started before 9-11 when I realized that the intelligence I was getting as the vice

00:13:24chairman of the committee was not really solid intelligence. I would get better information

00:13:31from Bill Gertz, a reporter that you know, coming to me with anonymous sources leaking to him

00:13:36about Intel matters. And I would then go to the CIA and say, why am I getting this information from

00:13:42a reporter that I know you're leaking from classified sources that I'm not getting as a

00:13:47member of Congress, who's the vice chairman of the defense committee? Are you playing games with me?

00:13:51And they wouldn't answer that. And that's what they do. They play games by manipulating the media

00:13:56to put out a narrative. And then we have to deal with that narrative.

00:14:00So, Tucker, what I did, there's a group in Washington that was known as the cockroaches.

00:14:04They're a group of people that work for the intelligence agencies that get along socially.

00:14:09And I knew them all. They trusted me. I formed a loose network of about 15 or 20.

00:14:14We met for breakfast every week in the members' dining room in the Capitol.

00:14:18And they would feed me raw data. They would feed me raw data. Then I would go to the classified

00:14:22briefings using that raw data. And I would ask questions of the CIA in front of the entire

00:14:27committee. And in many cases, I was the acting chairman because the chairman wasn't there.

00:14:32So, here I am, the acting chairman of the entire committee of armed services that fully embarrassed

00:14:37the intelligence agencies. And I'll get into that when we talk about the 9-11 information

00:14:42and post-9-11 where they put bin Laden. The point is that the agency plays games with Congress.

00:14:49The Congress thinks it's getting good information, and it's not.

00:14:52The agency wants members fighting with each other over stupid things so they can do what

00:14:57they want. And it's not all. There are good people in the agency that I worked with, and

00:15:01I would go to war over. But there are some scumbags. I know those scumbags. At the appropriate

00:15:07time, I'll name those scumbags who have made millions and millions of dollars and are making

00:15:12millions and millions of dollars today. They're making it in Ukraine. They're making it around

00:15:16the world because of context they established. And all that ties back to their positions that

00:15:22they got supposedly working intelligence for the U.S. That's not what this country's all

00:15:27about. And he asked about my daughter, what happened.

00:15:31So, give us the timeline. So, 9-11 happens, you keep ascending in Congress, and you really,

00:15:36and I remember this well because I interviewed you on these topics at the time, 20 years ago

00:15:41when your book came out, and you start saying, wait a second, the U.S. government really blew

00:15:46this. There are people who knew this was happening, was going to happen, and for whatever reason

00:15:50didn't stop it. And you're really the only Republican who's saying this. And then 2006,

00:15:57you're up for re-election. It's an even year, of course. And you're from your district in

00:16:00Pennsylvania after 20 years. And out of nowhere, the FBI raids your daughter's house.

00:16:06And we're all told it's because she's corrupt, you're corrupt, et cetera, et cetera. And then

00:16:11you lose, and we kind of lose track of you, and Washington goes on as it does, and no one

00:16:16talks about 9-11 again. I think that's fair to say. I mean, I was there. I remember when

00:16:20all this happened, though. I didn't put it together in my head at all until about a year

00:16:24ago. I was thinking about this in the shower. Whatever happened to Kurt Weldon and his daughter?

00:16:28So, I go on the internet, and I'm like, is Kurt Weldon's daughter in prison because

00:16:31she's so corrupt?

00:16:32Never talked to.

00:16:33So, what happened?

00:16:34Okay, well, here's what happened. In 1999 and 2000, they wanted me to run for chairman

00:16:39of the committee. They'd jump over four or five members.

00:16:41Which committee? The Armed Services Committee. But in Congress, the protocol is you wait.

00:16:46Of course.

00:16:46So, I have letters, which I can show you, Tucker, from Donald Rumsfeld endorsing me to become

00:16:53chairman of the Armed Services Committee in 2000.

00:16:55Yes.

00:16:56I have a letter from Deputy Secretary of Defense John Henry endorsing me to become chairman of

00:17:01the committee in 2000. Dozens and dozens of letters. Then 9-11 happens. I felt personally

00:17:07responsible because I knew that we could have prevented it by the information that the Able

00:17:13Danger Team, established by General Hugh Shelton, had gathered and tried to transfer three times

00:17:19and were blocked. So, I said, uh-uh. I owe this to Ray Downey. I'm wearing his jacket today. I owe

00:17:26this to the firefighters in New York and around the country to get to the truth. If it's the last thing

00:17:31I do. And I owe it to all those soldiers that we're now sending overseas.

00:17:35That's right.

00:17:36So, what I did, Tucker, I supported George Bush when he said we're going to send our troops over

00:17:41to Afghanistan. He made those heroic comments about we're going to get them. I took that as

00:17:46a patriotic American and said, yes, we're going to get them. But I was worried about what the Afghans

00:17:51might do as they did the Russian troops when they were in Afghanistan. So, Tucker, with Al Santoli,

00:17:57whom you know, and two other members of Congress, I privately, without the knowledge of our government

00:18:02or the CIA, I went to Paris. We met with King Zahir Shah, the king of Afghanistan who was living

00:18:10in exile with his family in Paris. We met with him to convince him to go back to Kabul to convene

00:18:17a lawyer Georgia of all the tribes to convince them to accept the American troops before they went in

00:18:23so it wouldn't be like they did with Russia. King Zahir Shah agreed to that. I'll give you the

00:18:29photographs, Tucker. And I had two members of Congress and Al Santoli with me, decorated Vietnam

00:18:35veteran. Zahir Shah went back. I did all I could to protect our American troops, not the CIA, our troops.

00:18:42Then I find out my intel team, those 20 people that were feeding me raw data, give me data within months

00:18:51after 9-11, that Bin Laden's been sighted in a town called Ladiz. I have no idea where Ladiz is.

00:18:58So, I grew up Pennsylvania Avenue in a bookstore and buy a map. I just gave you the map here today,

00:19:03Tucker. You can show it. And I found Ladiz. It's not in Afghanistan. It's not in Pakistan.

00:19:10It's in Iran, in an area called Balochistan. So, I go to the next classified briefing for the full

00:19:17committee. Now, I'm the vice chairman of the full committee. There are 60 members. I'm the acting

00:19:21chairman at this time. So, I said to the CIA, I have information of Bin Laden's in Ladiz. This is

00:19:28their response to me. Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them.

00:19:36I was in shock. I was in shock. We're sending kids to die in Afghanistan, and we can't confirm or

00:19:43deny whether or not Bin Laden's in Ladiz. Three months go by. I'm still supporting the president.

00:19:49My intel team comes back to me and say, Kurt, he's being treated at a military hospital outside of

00:19:55Tehran. I go back to the classified briefing, and I ask the question in front of the full committee.

00:20:02And the answer from the CIA is, Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny

00:20:08that Bin Laden is being treated at a military hospital outside of Tehran while we're sending

00:20:12kids to die in Afghanistan. I said, this is outrageous. And then, Tucker, I get a call from

00:20:21Jack Murtha, the most respected Democrat in the House, former Marine, who I work with closely.

00:20:28And he says to me, I want you to meet with Ron Klink, Democrat from Pittsburgh. And Ron Klink's still

00:20:32alive. He'll verify this, Tucker. Jack's dead, but Ron's alive. He said, Jack has

00:20:37a person who used to work for the agency that has information about Iran. And you investigate

00:20:42this kind of stuff, Kurt. Will you meet with him? I said, sure. Ron Klink comes to my office

00:20:47and brings this very tall man who's a former person from the Swedish area, but he's a U.S. citizen.

00:20:56And I said, how can I help you? You know, Congressman Murtha asked me to help. Ron Klink wants me to help.

00:21:00He said, Congressman, I want you to help me get into Iran. I said, why do you want to go to Iran?

00:21:05Iran. He said, that's where Bin Laden is. I said, why would you tell me that Bin Laden's in Iran?

00:21:12He said, I was a knock for the agency. Do you know what a knock is?

00:21:15Yeah, non-official cover.

00:21:16That's right. He said, I was a knock for the agency. And I worked that area. And my friends

00:21:21are seeing Bin Laden in Iran. If you help me get to Tehran, I'll leave my identity there.

00:21:26I'll get a piece of him, dead or alive, and I'll bring it back.

00:21:29At the time, there was a $25 million reward for Bin Laden. I said, I can't help you right now

00:21:35because I'm in a battle over this follow-up to 9-11. Then I get another call, Tucker,

00:21:41from the Interior Department, totally separate. They want to bring in their top bird man,

00:21:47their bird expert. I didn't think that was unusual because I was a Republican on the Migratory Bird

00:21:53Commission. The Migratory Bird Commission.

00:21:55No, there was a Migratory.

00:21:56It oversees all the flyways for all the refuges up and down the coast. I was a Republican.

00:22:01Duck hunters like me, thank you, by the way.

00:22:03John Dingell was a Democrat.

00:22:05Of course. I've duck hunted with him, yeah.

00:22:06Two senators and three cabinet members. So I figured they want to talk about birds. I'm

00:22:11on the Bird Commission. I'll meet with them. So this Interior Department bird expert brings

00:22:15in a U.S. citizen from Maine who's a Sikh, but he's a U.S. citizen, very wealthy family.

00:22:20And he's got two Falcons on his shoulders, million-dollar birds with the blinders on,

00:22:25beautiful, into my office. I said, boy, they're gorgeous. How can I help you? He said, well,

00:22:30Congressman, I've devoted my life to Falcons. He said, I helped write the U.N. protection

00:22:35treaties on falconry. He said, I trained all the children of the royal families in the sport

00:22:41of falconry.

00:22:42Yes.

00:22:42Because that's their sport. He said, they all know me. They all trust me.

00:22:45In the Arab world, it's huge.

00:22:46Yes.

00:22:47Yes.

00:22:47He said, so, and I want to help the country, and there's a reward for bin Laden. I said,

00:22:51yeah, I know that. He said, I want you to help me go to Iran. I said, why do you want

00:22:57to go to Iran? Now, he knows nothing about anything else I'm doing. My falconers are seeing

00:23:02bin Laden's birds flying in Iran. You help me go to Iran. They'll accept me there because

00:23:07they know me. I'll tag his birds, and I'll take the U.S. to exactly where he is. That's four,

00:23:14four full source identities that bin Laden was exactly where my intel people said he

00:23:22was. Over the course of time, Tucker, I developed 10 silver bullets. They wanted to do a movie

00:23:29about me after they took me out, and I'll get to when they took me out. I got a call

00:23:33from Michael Scheuer. Michael was career CIA. After I was taken out of office, he called

00:23:39my home. They said, Congressman, do you remember me? I said, vaguely, Michael. He said, well,

00:23:42I was the chairman of the bin Laden task force in the CIA, and these people that have met

00:23:47with you have shown me documents I never saw when I was working in the agency, and I was

00:23:51the bin Laden task force director. He said, we want you to work with us. We want you to

00:23:55be involved in a movie we're doing. I said, Michael, after what they did to my family, I

00:23:59can't do it right now. I hung up the phone. I get a call from General McInerney about three

00:24:04months later, Tom McInerney. He said, Congressman, you remember me? I said, yes, General, I remember

00:24:09you. He said, I'd like you to work with us, Congressman. I'm working with Michael

00:24:13Scheuer and the Falconer, and we want you to be involved. I said, I'm not getting involved

00:24:16after what they did to my family. They all had the same story, Tucker. So what was it

00:24:22happening in 2006? All my elections were landslides.

00:24:27But can I just ask you to pause for one second? So you had a lot of evidence, it sounds like.

00:24:32Absolute evidence.

00:24:33That bin Laden was not in Afghanistan or Pakistan. He was supposedly ultimately killed. Not in Iraq.

00:24:41He was in Iran. But Iran was also in the crosshairs of the Bush administration. It was part of the

00:24:47so-called axis of evil at the time. People were talking about invading Iran then. Why would the

00:24:53Bush administration hide the fact that-

00:24:55It wasn't the Bush administration.

00:24:57Let me explain to you. This is what Trump needs to understand.

00:25:01It started under Clinton when the Clinton administration, Bill Henry Clinton, who I have

00:25:09no respect for, were allowed themselves to be used so they could make money. Tens and tens

00:25:15of millions of dollars. Hundreds of millions of dollars. Because they allowed people, unscrupulous

00:25:20people, to control the agenda in Russia and around the world. And you've been going after

00:25:26some of this involving Russia. I can give you dozens of hard examples.

00:25:31I believe it. We've talked about this off camera, but I just want to get to specifically-

00:25:35Continued?

00:25:35Who was hiding the fact that bin Laden was in Iran and why?

00:25:40Okay. It continued under Bush Jr.

00:25:43Yep.

00:25:44And as I said, up until 2000, they wanted me to be chairman. All of a sudden, when I started

00:25:49questioning 9-11, all of a sudden, the Bush people said, whoa.

00:25:54Yeah, I bet.

00:25:55John Sununu, after I was out of office, who I had a lot of respect for, was Bush's chief.

00:26:00Smart man. Yeah, I know.

00:26:01I was in his office, and they said this to me. He said, you know, Congressman, you were

00:26:04a great member. Everyone respected you, but you made one fundamental mistake. I said, what

00:26:09was that, John? He said, when you come to the city, you're either on one rail or the

00:26:14other rail. And you went down the middle and took on both rails.

00:26:16I said, well, John, I didn't pledge allegiance to the Republican Party.

00:26:21Yeah.

00:26:22I pledged allegiance to the Constitution. You guys were ecstatic when I took on the Clintons,

00:26:26when I took on Sandy Berger, when I took on the scumbags and what they did with China

00:26:30and Russia. You were ecstatic. But then when I saw things happening at 9-11, all of us,

00:26:35he said, well, that's why you're not here. I said, you know what, John? So be it. It's

00:26:40not the end of my life. And one day I'll tell the story, John. One day I'll tell the story

00:26:45because that's what America needs to hear. They need members of Congress who don't become

00:26:49duped by scumbags in the intelligence agency making money for themselves. And you know

00:26:54what, Tucker? I challenge them. I'll name them and I'll give their dollar amounts of where

00:26:59they're making money today, in the countries that we're at war with. They care about themselves

00:27:04and their power. They don't care about the lives of the kids that we send to war. I saw

00:27:09it in Libya. I saw it in North Korea. I led delegations that were bipartisan to all of

00:27:14those places. They took it out on my daughter.

00:27:17So I just want to get one more time to the question of why, who was hiding the fact that

00:27:23bin Laden was actually in Iran?

00:27:25Our intelligence agencies. They have plausible deniability. In the end, I have 10 silver bullets,

00:27:31including two royal family members from two different royal families from two different

00:27:34countries, including in the end, the person that was in the room who was a knock for our

00:27:41government for 50 years. He's not from the U.S. He's become a friend of mine. He's been

00:27:46to my home. We've met dozens of times. And on one of my trips to the Middle East, he said

00:27:51to me, you know, he calls you, my dear, you were right. I said, about what? He said, about

00:27:55a lot of things. But you're right about bin Laden. I said, what do you mean? He said, well,

00:27:59he was placed in Iran, in Balochistan. He said, I said, well, he said, I said, you know, he

00:28:06said, yes, I know that. He said, I was in the room when the deal was cut. So the U.S. has

00:28:13plausible deniability. They weren't in the room.

00:28:16Was the point to get to Iraq?

00:28:17The point was to, um, the point was to manipulate, to get our troops committed, to go over to

00:28:26fight the battles in Afghanistan, Iraq, and that whole region of the world. Yes. And

00:28:31they had to have the justification to do that. I believe it. But in the end, when five years

00:28:38ago, and even Trump doesn't know this, I'm sure, we killed someone that Trump took great

00:28:43credit for, and I applaud him for it. And he said, we killed this guy.

00:28:47Soleimani.

00:28:47That's right. Soleimani was the guy the deal was cut with. The deal was not cut with the

00:28:52Iranian government. And we need to understand that. And this is the heart of what we have

00:28:56to get to. The Iranian people are not our enemy. I wrote this book in 2005, Countdown to

00:29:04Terror. It's all about Iran. It says that the people of Iran are not our enemy. This book

00:29:11was endorsed by Jim Woolsey with a three-page letter.

00:29:13Former CIA director.

00:29:14Former CIA director. This book was endorsed by Alec Caravelli, Jack Caravelli, Gore's CIA

00:29:19advisor. They both endorsed my book. The book was so popular that the people of Iran published

00:29:25it in Farsi. There it is. And they published the book. Without my approval, they published

00:29:30my book. It became a bestseller in Iran because it said, you're not the enemy of the American

00:29:34people. Here's what happened, Tucker. When the Shah was in power, think back, we were best

00:29:40friends with Iran. Of course.

00:29:41Our intelligence people trained the Iranian intelligence people. We trained them. They

00:29:46were our people. When the radical Ayatollahs and the Mullahs took over Iran, they did not

00:29:51bring in a new intelligence service. They did not change the agency. The IRG stayed the

00:29:57same. The deal who placed bin Laden in Iran wasn't cut with the Iranian government. It was

00:30:03cut with Soleimani. And that's why we killed him. Our intelligence agency has tentacles around

00:30:09the world. And they're not answering to anybody. And that's the problem right now. That's the

00:30:14problem Trump has. Yeah, he can cut off the security clearance of 51. But that network extends

00:30:20far and wide around the world. And they can play all the games they want in Ukraine, in

00:30:25other countries. And until we go after that, this is not going to stop.

00:30:30That's consistent, all consistent with what I've seen.

00:30:32And I would say.

00:30:33And that's the challenge that Trump has right now. I still think he's at risk.

00:30:38Last May, I went on a TV show locally in the Philadelphia area. And I said, my greatest

00:30:42challenge is they're going to try to take Trump out. A month later, they did the attack. You know,

00:30:47it goes back to when Trump first, when I kept quiet, because I couldn't trust any of the

00:30:52administrations after I left, including the Bush administration, because Bush wasn't in control.

00:30:56And I can give you example after example.

00:30:58I saw that.

00:30:58Bush not being in control. I knew who was in control. When Trump was going in, I met with Rudy

00:31:02Giuliani. I had two private dinners with him up in New York. I had not known Rudy that

00:31:07well. I said, Rudy, this is what's going to happen. The deep state's going to undermine

00:31:12Trump. They don't want him. They will undermine him by removing his ability to understand how

00:31:16they operate. Before he took office, they took out General Mike Flynn.

00:31:20When they took out Flynn, Trump was like a baby in the woods. And for four years, they used the

00:31:27Congress and they used their connections to derail this country. That's the problem that

00:31:32occurred in the first Trump four years. This time, I'm trying to get Trump to realize he's got a great

00:31:38start, but the people around him don't know what they don't know. They don't have that historical

00:31:44understanding of what this is just didn't happen with Trump. I mean, it took me out in 2006.

00:31:49Nick, so let's get to that. They took you out in 2006. And that's kind of where this conversation

00:31:53began. I remember that very well. And it was like, there are pictures on TV. I worked on at CNN.

00:31:59There are pictures of, you know, FBI and their blue jackets outside your daughter's house. And it's

00:32:05like, Kurt Weldon corruption scandal. And then you lost to Sestak. Is that Sestak, who was like a former

00:32:11general and just like a... He got demoted. He was a three-star demoted to a two-star. His wife worked on the

00:32:17Clinton Security Council. She had intelligence ties. She still does. Her name was, I think,

00:32:22Clark. And he was on the NSC. But he was like the ultimate deep stater. He didn't live in the

00:32:28district. He doesn't live there now. Right. He came into the district to run. He had been in the

00:32:32district. And then after he lost, he went back down to Virginia. And all of a sudden, I mean, I remember

00:32:36all this really well thinking like... Well, here's what happened. And then he got, you know, massive funding

00:32:40from around the country. You know who ran his campaign? His campaign was managed by the staff

00:32:46director of Sandy Berger's company. Sandy Berger sent his woman to run the Sestak campaign. And I

00:32:53did a one-hour floor speech about Sandy Berger calling him a traitor. Yeah. And we can talk about...

00:32:59I'd like to. I'm just getting far afield once again. My apologies for that. But okay, so to your

00:33:04daughter in the FBI raid, did you have warning? Like what? Tell us what happened. No advance

00:33:09warning. We, you know, we would have won the election. The polls were in October. We're

00:33:13showing that we were up by about six or eight points. All my elections have been landslides

00:33:17because I'm a moderate Republican. And this one, I would have become chairman of the committee.

00:33:21No doubts about that. You know, for some reason, the Sestak campaign was maxed out every week in a TV

00:33:28buy, you know. And three weeks before my election, I get a call on a Monday morning

00:33:33that agents had appeared at my daughter's home at 7 a.m. And I didn't know what's that all about.

00:33:40And so I immediately said, cancel the TV ads. My daughter's more important than some TV ads for a

00:33:46campaign. And I didn't know whether she might have done something wrong. I didn't think she would

00:33:50have. And so we stopped the campaign. But something that I haven't talked about in the past, Tucker,

00:33:55the same time they raided my daughter's house, they raided a lawyer in my district who's a Democrat,

00:34:00who, interestingly enough, they shut down his Philadelphia office. They brought dogs and

00:34:08helicopters and all to downtown Philly, same time. At the time they raided his office,

00:34:13he had been working for FBI counterintelligence against Russia for two years that I had arranged

00:34:17two years earlier. I had arranged two years earlier, under oath. So the counterintel people

00:34:23handling him went to his office and were sitting with him while these agents from D.C. come in.

00:34:28And you had two sets of agents in the same office at the same time. And the counterintel people are

00:34:35saying, don't answer any questions. We don't know what this is, but you're doing work for our

00:34:39country. And the other ones don't know why they're sent there. Their first question is, Mr. Gallagher,

00:34:44isn't it true that you're related to Congressman Kurt Weldon? And John starts laughing at them

00:34:48because Congressman Weldon's wife's last name is the same name as mine. And you're from the FBI?

00:34:54I know who told them that, Tucker. Wait, so what, but what was the pretext for raiding

00:34:59her daughter's house? There was none. They never talked to her. So what was she charged with?

00:35:04What did she go to? They never charged her with anything. They never talked to her. There was no

00:35:08charge. So the FBI just shows up. Shows up, raids, takes boxes out, and then gives her the boxes back

00:35:14unopened, still taped. Nothing. Nothing. When did they give the boxes back? That was months later.

00:35:19After you'd lost. Yeah. And not only that, three months after the election, the annual fire dinner

00:35:26in Washington, which I started, 2,000 people attend, members of Congress, House and Senate.

00:35:31George Bush, the father, former CIA director, does a tribute to me, which you can, I sent it to your

00:35:37staffer. You can play it. And he says in the tribute, Congressman Weldon, you're the kind of leader that

00:35:43America needs. You're the kind of leader that leaves the country safer, stronger. Those aren't

00:35:48my words. Those are George Bush Senior's words to 2,000 people after they raided my daughter's

00:35:57house. After you'd already been neutralized. After I've been neutralized. And you were not

00:35:59going to be chairman. It was all about getting me out. So did you, so the raid comes, you must

00:36:04be completely confused. Do you call your daughter and say like, what's going on? She was totally

00:36:08devastated. Ruined her life. What do you, how do you deal with that? I don't know. How do you

00:36:12deal, how do you deal with your kid? I'm probably going to find out if you want to, if you want

00:36:16to, if you want to come after me, you know, and that's what I say to them. They're scumbags. Oh,

00:36:20I know you scumbag. If you want to come after me, come after me publicly. But if you're going to

00:36:25hide and go do something behind somebody, what you do now, there are good people in the agency,

00:36:29but there are scumbags that work in our agencies and I know them and they're making money.

00:36:35They're million dollar people and their million dollar companies are going to be exposed. If it's the

00:36:40last thing I do, and you'll see the ties around the world to the million dollar Intel people who've

00:36:45made money off the backs of young American kids who have died in wards while they make money,

00:36:51while their companies make money. And I'll give you example after example of that in Russia,

00:36:56in Ukraine, around the world, in Libya. That's what's wrong. And until we understand that,

00:37:02it's not going to stop. And Donald Trump's people need to understand that. We're not playing

00:37:07tiddlywinks out in the schoolyard. We're playing with bad people. I agree. I, I, yeah,

00:37:13as I've said, I've, I've, I've seen it up close. So I know that you're telling the truth. What they

00:37:17do to my family is outrageous. So, so this happens. And in the final month of a campaign,

00:37:24three weeks, three weeks with this challenger who doesn't live in your district, who all of a sudden

00:37:29has, I think I'm remembering this correctly. A lot of his money came from California. All of it.

00:37:34And then we find out Tucker, and I'll give it to you. We get a memo. My staff does some digging.

00:37:38What's going on? And we find a memo that was sent to my staff in September, a month before this,

00:37:44from the national Republican congressional committee to my campaign committee saying, Hey,

00:37:48for some reason, your opponent just cut his TV by for one week in October by $500,000.

00:37:57The week was the week they raided my daughter's house.

00:37:59Cause you wouldn't need it. So they told the Democrats the week they were going to raid my

00:38:04daughter's house. I believe it. Cause they didn't need the advertising that week. But what's crazy

00:38:09if, if you think about it, and by the way, I should say of, of Sestak who I always thought was just

00:38:13such a reptile, but he had kind of like the perfect views. He was very liberal socially,

00:38:19but on foreign policy questions, he was just national security state. He's a loser. Perfect national

00:38:25security state. Um, he's an embarrassment and I'll say it publicly. He's an embarrassment. Oh,

00:38:29I couldn't. And what he did to my family, I'll never forget. So, but that's the Bush justice

00:38:35department. Absolutely. That's the Bush FBI. It's the, it's the, and I wrote a letter to

00:38:39Mueller, which I'll give you. Mueller was FBI director. Yes. I wrote a personal memo to him

00:38:43on LinkedIn, right to his personal self. And I said, Mr. Mueller, I respect you personally for being

00:38:47a Marine, but you're a scumbag for what you did to my family. So did you call over to the

00:38:52White House and say like, what the hell is going on? I call Karl Rove. He said, get a good lawyer.

00:38:56And I have no respect for Karl Rove. Well, no one does. And I'll tell you that story on another

00:39:00show. Wait, so, but your daughter's house gets raided. She doesn't get charged with anything.

00:39:04The FBI never even. Nothing. Nothing. Isn't talked to. Not charged. Doesn't even get talked to. No one.

00:39:09And CNN, I'll admit it. I then worked. You know the only person that defended me? Who?

00:39:15You're going to laugh. No, probably not. Joe Scarborough. I believe that. He was on my committee.

00:39:19Hey, Joe Scarborough, I'll give you the article, defended me and said, Congressman Wall will never

00:39:24do anything like this. And the stupid jerk reporter said, oh, Scarborough, I don't know what he's

00:39:29talking about. Joe Scarborough was the only one at that time who really publicly, aggressively

00:39:33defended me. I believe that. And I knew Joe very well, very well then. And he was on my committee.

00:39:39He's not a stupid person, by the way, whatever Joe's many faults. He's not dumb. And he gets how

00:39:44politics works. But he won't talk to me now. Of course not.

00:39:46But OK, so you call Karl Rove and you say, what the hell, Karl Rove? What is going on

00:39:52here? And he just says to get a good lawyer. That was it? Yeah. He's the same scumbag that

00:39:58when I told him that I told this company in Florida that was being harassed to hire a lobbyist,

00:40:03I told him to hire Bob Dole. And he started screaming at me on the phone. He said, who are

00:40:07you to tell anybody to hire Bob Dole's law firm? I said, Bob Dole's a war hero. He's a credible

00:40:13person. He said, don't you know who his partner is? I said, I have no idea who his partner

00:40:16is. His partner was Ian Richards from Texas. What does that have to do with somebody doing

00:40:21national security issues? Because Karl Rove was from Texas and his nemesis in Texas was

00:40:26Bob Dole's partner. He didn't want them to benefit. That's what he's like. That's exactly

00:40:31what he's like. He's a small fat man. There's no doubt about that. Very small.

00:40:35Wow. OK, so that's kind of that's the end of your political career.

00:40:39Well, it's the end of my public career, but I have a lot of friends.

00:40:42I know. I got a lot of people that support now. People want me to talk and I am talking

00:40:46because Trump's in power and the only thing they can do, they can kill me. Now, two of

00:40:50my friends were killed or I think they were killed. One was threatened by a guy that was

00:40:54running to be the head of the CIA. He got a call. This guy that was in Florida, John

00:40:59Quirk, was career intelligence for the CIA. And he helped me. He gave me all the internal

00:41:03stuff of what they were doing to try to they try to portray me as a Russian spy of all the

00:41:08stupidity. Right. Well, been there. Right. So Quirk called me. He said, you won't believe

00:41:14who I got a call from. He told me the guy's name. He said, the guy said to me, why are

00:41:18you helping Kurt Weldon? And John Quirk said, because Kurt Weldon's a patriot. The guy slammed

00:41:22down the phone. That guy's a multimillionaire in New York right now. Multimillionaire.

00:41:27With his money off the backs of the American people.

00:41:29What happened to your friend? You think he was murdered?

00:41:32I think he was given a, they both had fast moving cancer. And that's a typical process

00:41:39that the agency uses overseas when they want to get rid of somebody.

00:41:42I'm aware of that. Most people are not aware of that. But do you know that to be true

00:41:46that that is a...

00:41:47I don't, I can't prove it.

00:41:48No, but do you know that...

00:41:49I know they both died suddenly.

00:41:51The U.S. government has the technology to infect people with fast moving cancer.

00:41:58Absolutely. As they do with the, you know, in 1997, I did the first hearing on asymmetric

00:42:04threats. I was the chairman of the research committee and I focused on four threats. And

00:42:09you can read about them. The first threat was the use of drones, which nobody was using

00:42:12then. The second was cyber attacks, which is now a big deal. The third was EMP. People

00:42:16don't even know what EMP is. I was the leader of that. I wrote the EMP legislation. And the

00:42:20fourth was cognitive warfare. People don't understand cognitive warfare. And today our intelligence

00:42:24agency is trying to pretend they don't know what it is. Like, oh, we don't know what that

00:42:27is. Because the Russians have used it. And the Chinese, they call it Havana syndrome.

00:42:32Right. We know what it is.

00:42:33The directed energy weapons.

00:42:33It's directed energy weapons.

00:42:35But you believe that... And the only reason I'm pushing on this is because I know for

00:42:40a fact that highly informed people in other countries with, you know, real intel services

00:42:46who are not crazy or sophisticated, take it as a matter of fact that it is possible to

00:42:51transmit fatal cancer from one person to another or from a machine to a person.

00:42:57And you know that that's true?

00:42:59I don't know that. The details... I know the research that was being done when I was chairman

00:43:03of the Oversight Committee for Research was very provocative. And we need members of Congress

00:43:07that are unafraid to get fully immersed in understanding what we're doing and why we're

00:43:13doing it. The problem with the members of Congress is that there are good members in

00:43:17both parties. But they get staffers who have career goals. And their career goal might

00:43:21be to go work at the Pentagon or go work for the agency.

00:43:23Yes.

00:43:24So they get compromised midway through. You can't have that. You've got to have people

00:43:28to understand their loyalty has got to be for the country and for what their original

00:43:32goal... And that's why it's so important that we... And the ultimate goal here is to have

00:43:36this presidential commission on 9-11 to hold people accountable and to let the president

00:43:41appoint a commission that asks the questions of what really happened, both intelligence-wise

00:43:46and with the actual structure so that we understand. And then we make those people

00:43:50accountable. Believe me, when we do that, then you shake the system up.

00:43:53I agree with that. And I think it's really important to begin declassifying a lot of things

00:43:59that the U.S. government has done with our money and our name over the past 60 years.

00:44:03You know, starting with the Kennedy assassination, which the president, you know, has issued an

00:44:06executive order on January 23rd to declassify. It hasn't happened. MLK, RFK, et cetera, et cetera.

00:44:14I think we should know what happened in Butler Township in July. But I think the big story

00:44:20is 9-11 and every...

00:44:21The reason is all those happened decades ago. And I agree with you. 9-11 is only 24 years

00:44:26ago. And I have all the information. I have the firefighters ready to go. I have the tapes

00:44:31of the firefighters and what they saw and heard. I have all the architects and engineers and all

00:44:35their 3,000 of them risking their careers. I have the lawyers. I have the families. Everybody's

00:44:41ready to go. All Trump has to do is name a new presidential commission. Let them do the

00:44:46investigation. We'll give them all the material. And then we'll show the country that we cannot...

00:44:52We will not allow these people to commit these kinds of... They're not even unscrupulous.

00:44:57They're outrageous and scandalous and traitorous acts against our nation. Imagine planning to

00:45:02kill American people. I can't begin to think of that.

00:45:05Okay, so... But you've also just said that two friends of yours died of fast-moving cancers.

00:45:09I don't know that. I... Well, they died of cancer.

00:45:12They died of cancer. Right. But you think that the people who are hiding the truth about 9-11

00:45:17are capable of murder? Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, I guess that would be obvious since 3,000

00:45:22people were murdered that day. Just like Libya. We were the ones that caused Gaddafi's death

00:45:26because Hillary Clinton played a game over there. And I was the one that went over there during

00:45:30the war. Gaddafi asked me to come over. I took a Biden staffer and a Bush staffer and a film crew

00:45:36leader from ABC1 in New York, Larry Menti, with me and a cameraman because I didn't want the CIA to

00:45:41set me up. I hand-carried the letter back from Gaddafi offering to resign. The U.S. didn't want

00:45:46him to resign. They wanted to kill him. Why?

00:45:49Because Gaddafi... And I met him three times. I took Biden on my second trip to Libya, by the way.

00:45:53He went with me when I spoke to the whole country. And every meeting I had with Gaddafi,

00:45:57he wanted two things. He wanted to unite the African continent into a group of nations economically,

00:46:01like the European economy. They wanted to base it on the gold standard. And the U.S. and Europe

00:46:07didn't want that. And the other thing is they wanted control of his oil and they wanted control

00:46:12of his sovereign wealth. So Gaddafi had to go. That's outrageous and it's wrong.

00:46:16Yeah. But that, I think, sounds right to me.

00:46:18But we've allowed so many of our kids to be drawn into conflicts, to be killed. And these people

00:46:25doing this, they've never served in any capacity in our country. They've never been in the military.

00:46:29They've never served on a fire ground. And it's outrageous that they think they can get away

00:46:33with this and sit back and make all this money. It's outrageous.

00:46:37I couldn't agree more. So, let's get to 9-11 itself. And you were so deeply involved in so

00:46:46many parts of this personally that I think it's easy to go off on different tangents. But just to

00:46:51the extent that you can describe what you know to be true, you said, don't want to speculate as

00:46:55motive, for example, but what you know to be true. What do you think the core truth of 9-11,

00:47:00September 11th, 2001 is?

00:47:03I don't, at this point in time, I have my own perceptions. I don't have something I can give

00:47:12100%. I can't swear on, but what I'm seeing bothers me to the core of my body. That 9-11

00:47:20did not happen because a group of hijackers got control of some planes. First of all,

00:47:26I have confirmed that two of the hijackers that were on one of the planes in New York were working

00:47:30for the CIA. They were on the CIA payroll. And that was confirmed to me by someone in writing

00:47:36from one of our agencies. And I have that letter. So, two of the people involved were actually working

00:47:40for the CIA in one of the planes. I know that. And they lost control of them. And there were reprimands

00:47:46against those agency people after the fact. Second, I know the intelligence. They tried

00:47:52three times to transfer the information about information that could have prevented 9-11.

00:47:56That's fact.

00:47:57To the Justice Department.

00:47:59And I have the name of the person that, at the Justice Department, they contacted, and she was

00:48:04told to cancel the meetings. They couldn't have the meetings.

00:48:07Who did that order come from? Who?

00:48:09That's what needs to be investigated.

00:48:11Okay.

00:48:11And then we have John Crane, the Inspector General of the Pentagon, who went to the extent

00:48:16of issuing a request for whistleblower status because he was told to lie to the Congress

00:48:22and lie about pre-9-11 intelligence and able danger. And then we have the book by the General

00:48:29and his comments that he knew within seconds. None of this is in the 9-11 Commission Report.

00:48:33The 9-11 Commission Report is a piece of garbage.

00:48:36Well, then you also have it. I mean, this is just a fact. I don't know what to make of it.

00:48:40But you have a guy called Alex Jones, who's a broadcaster, who said that summer that the

00:48:45World Trade Center should get hit by planes and a guy called Osama bin Laden is going

00:48:49to be blamed. He said that on tape with a timestamp. So we know that that actually

00:48:53happened. That's not making it up. It's not a conspiracy theory. He said that.

00:48:57And it's like, how would he know that? That's so far out of the realm of what anyone was

00:49:01thinking in Washington, where I lived at the time.

00:49:03So then my question is, OK, if I'm Philip Zelikow, the guy running the 9-11 Commission,

00:49:10I'm calling Alex Jones immediately saying, come on in under oath that we're going to find

00:49:14out how did you know that? And instead, the U.S. government, the FBI in particular,

00:49:19set about to destroy Alex Jones and almost succeeded. I mean, they engineered a billion

00:49:24dollar judgment against him, et cetera, et cetera. But they really have tried to kill him for saying

00:49:29that. And it's like, if you wanted to get to the truth, why would you act that way? Why would

00:49:32you knock you out of Congress?

00:49:34At the time of 9-11, I had been to the World Trade Center in 93. The governor of New York,

00:49:40Mario Cuomo, called my office, talked to me personally, thanked me for coming up. He watched

00:49:44my one-hour presentation. I was back up there with Ray Downey. I brought Ray Downey's widow

00:49:49and five kids down to my district after 9-11 to honor him as a hero. I was up during the 9-11

00:49:56incident at Ground Zero. And I did everything I could to, and I felt responsible. Do you know

00:50:03the 9-11 Commission would not let me testify before the commission? Now, I'm a firefighter.

00:50:07I'm a fire chief. I'm a state fire instructor. I spent my whole career helping protect people

00:50:13from disasters. The 9-11 Commission, even though my experience as a member of Congress,

00:50:18vice chairman of defense and homeland security, would not call me to testify, would not call me to go

00:50:24in and speak before the 9-11, because they knew what I would say. So, when the commission said

00:50:29it's going to issue its report, which was in-

00:50:31And when, pardon me to interrupt, what year was that?

00:50:33It was when the report was released. I think it was 2005. So, what I did, the report was being

00:50:38released in the Ways and Means room of the Cannon Building. I went over. I sat in the front row to

00:50:42be the first one. Lee Hamilton and Tom King were up there. Good people. I don't blame them.

00:50:47It wasn't them. It was the staffers that controlled this. It wasn't the commissioners.

00:50:50He was a Zelikow guy.

00:50:51That's right. Zelikow and Gorelick. And Dieter Snell. Dieter Snell was a staffer working for them.

00:50:56Jamie Gorelick, who was a Clinton DOJ.

00:51:00Who wrote the firewall memo that said you can't transfer military intelligence to civilian law

00:51:04enforcement.

00:51:04I think Bill Kristol's cousin, too, unless I'm misremembering that.

00:51:07Maybe that's the case. So, I sat in the front row and I said, Lee, why did you not allow me to

00:51:12testify? And he said to me, well, Congressman, you know, we had a lot of people that wanted to testify.

00:51:16Now, I'm the representative of all the firefighters in the country. I'm the point person for the

00:51:19firefighters. I'm a firefighter and a fire chief. I've been at the Trade Center in 93. I've been

00:51:24there in 9-11 and they would not let me testify because they didn't want to hear what I had to

00:51:28say.

00:51:28What would you have said?

00:51:29I would have said that we caused this.

00:51:32What do you mean?

00:51:32With the intelligence, I have the evidence that we could have stopped this. Not me.

00:51:37Louis Free said that. Based upon what I came out with, Louis Free's op-ed in the Wall Street

00:51:42Journal, which I can give you a copy of, said the 9-11 commission was an incomplete

00:51:47investigation. And he also went on Good Morning America and said the same thing. They tried to

00:51:51blame Louis Free because Louis Free had left the FBI the year before 9-11 happened. So,

00:51:56he was their scapegoat. And to this day, I think Louis is very upset over that.

00:52:00Yeah. Yeah, I believe that.

00:52:04So, the only way around this is to have a new, for the firefighters of America and for our

00:52:09country, to have an independent commission be appointed and give that commission full authority

00:52:14to take this wherever it goes, including the end result. And the end result may be very ugly.

00:52:19There's a sense in which that's pretty obvious. I mean, like, why is anything from 9-11 still

00:52:25classified? It's our country. It happened to 3,000 of our fellow Americans. We have an absolute right

00:52:30to know what happened. It's not even a question. And it was almost 25 years ago. So, like, spare me

00:52:35your lectures about national security. But can I ask you this? So, by the way, I never questioned

00:52:40anything about 9-11. And I actively attacked people who did. I'm ashamed of that. But that's

00:52:46a fact. I did it on tape more than once. Because my feeling was, well, you know, like, that's divisive

00:52:51or whatever. I was a child and an idiot. But what began to make me wonder, and I have no idea what

00:52:58happened to 9-11, but it's very clear that there's a lot of lying around it, was the collapse of

00:53:03Building 7. And all the wackos would be like, Building 7, Building 7. I'd be like, shut up, wackos.

00:53:09And then if you just sort of look at it, you're like, well, that is very weird, actually. No plane

00:53:13hit that building. And does this happen a lot when buildings catch fire? Right. Okay.

00:53:17Besides being a firefighter, I work for the INA, largest insurance company in North America.

00:53:21I was responsible for training their fire protection and arson people for 18 years. That

00:53:25doesn't happen. You never have a 47-story building just collapse, which this is. Even Donald Trump,

00:53:31I have a tape of him speaking on 9-11. And Donald Trump, which I'll give you a copy of.

00:53:35I've seen it.

00:53:35And his own word says, that's controlled demolition.

00:53:39Yeah. I mean, it certainly looks that way. I mean, look, I don't know.

00:53:41See, here's what they did. They brought in NIST. They brought in NIST to do a report.

00:53:45Can you tell us what NIST is?

00:53:46NIST is the National Institute for Standards and Technology to do an assessment. Now,

00:53:52they're like any other federal agency, and there are good people there, but there are people

00:53:55that want their jobs and want their careers, and they're not going to rock the boat. And they

00:53:59came out with a report that's hogwash. The University of Alaska, which is a very credible engineering

00:54:05department, did a full refutation of the NIST report, saying it's full with gaps and full

00:54:10with inaccuracies and areas where they did not get the right information. Let me just say this

00:54:15to you. People say, well, you can't question NIST. NIST always does the right thing. When

00:54:20I went to Congress, Tucker, in my first term, I'm two doors from the Speaker's office, Speaker

00:54:25Jim Wright. His office catches on fire. It's seven o'clock at night. As a firefighter, I go up,

00:54:31punch the door open, get down on my hands and knees, crawl in. The kitchen's fully involved.

00:54:35This is all documented. You can read about it. And I said to my staffer, go get me the portable

00:54:40extinguishers. Three of the five weren't charged. I said, go get me the hose in the hose station.

00:54:44There was no hose in the hose station. I come back out, and I say, we got to evacuate the building.

00:54:48Now, I'm in my first term. It's a seven-story building above ground. No sprinklers, no detectors,

00:54:54no alarms. Here is the building, one of the six office buildings holding the House and the Senate

00:55:02in violation of every building code and fire code in America. Now, I'm an expert on NFPA 101,

00:55:09the life safety code, and the Boca codes. This building, if NIST did its job, NIST would have

00:55:15said, if you're going to be in Congress, you're going to work in a building where your constituents

00:55:18who are blind and handicapped are not going to feel threatened. Seven stories above ground.

00:55:24No alarm system. No detection system. So a fire's occurring, and the police are running

00:55:30through the building yelling, fire, get out. That's the problem. You cannot trust the federal

00:55:34agencies.

00:55:35Obviously. Of course. That's obvious now. But tell us, like, from an engineering perspective,

00:55:42you had three buildings come down, sort of collapse in on themselves, implode, it looked

00:55:49like. And a lot of people have said, many credible, non-crazy people have said that was

00:55:57controlled demolition. Was it?

00:56:00Well, when I got up there the day after, I had been in the trade center at the restaurant

00:56:06on the top several times. There's no way those two buildings could have collapsed into what

00:56:11they were there. Something had to happen.

00:56:13Was that obvious to you immediately?

00:56:14Yeah, absolutely. Because, you know, and they were looking for other firefighters like Ray

00:56:18Downey and the 342 others that were trapped and eventually vaporized. So something happened

00:56:23whether there was, there's a high explosive material, I think it's called fermite, that

00:56:29is used to explode metal and steel and vaporize it. That tests were never done on that. There

00:56:35were some limited tests that found that there was some evidence of that, but that, the whole

00:56:39thing never was subjected to the kind of investigation that would be warranted when 3,000 people die.

00:56:46I mean, when you have 3,000 people die, you would think it would be a full massive investigation,

00:56:50not going after 9-11, obviously, but what happened to the buildings and why'd they come down?

00:56:56They're the only high-rise buildings in the world that have ever come down from an airplane

00:57:01hitting them. And those buildings, I read the report from the architect who designed them.

00:57:05They were designed to withstand an airplane hitting the building and standing tall.

00:57:10And especially Building 7, which had no plane hit it.

00:57:13Right.

00:57:13No plane hit it. And the building just, you can see it when you watch it on TV, it just implodes

00:57:19straight down. And what really got me again was Oriole Palmer, that battalion chief arising

00:57:25on the...

00:57:26Well, tell us who he was. What is...

00:57:28Oriole Palmer was one of the most inspirational battalion chiefs in New York.

00:57:33FDNY.

00:57:34FDNY, who immediately, very good shape, had a family, a couple of kids, went into the building

00:57:38as soon as they got on the scene, took the elevator up to the 40th floor, got off the

00:57:43elevator, and you can hear him on the comm system say, I'm here, 40th floor, we're going

00:57:47to start walking up the stairwells. Every five floors, he radios back to communication. I'm

00:57:53on the 50th floor. Everything's okay. We're on floor 60. Everything's okay. He's going up

00:57:58every... So many floors, he gives a report. He reaches the 78th floor, the floor of impact.

00:58:03He comes out of the stair tower. And as clear as you listening to me here, and I know I get

00:58:09passionate and I apologize to your listeners for that. He says, we're on floor 78, the floor of

00:58:15impact. We've got two fires and we can handle them. One minute later, the whole building

00:58:22collapses. That's not normal. That is not acceptable. That is not what happened.

00:58:29And this is on tape?

00:58:30It's on tape. The film is called Bravo 7. And if your viewers want it, if they contact you,

00:58:37I'll give it to you. It's free. It was produced not by Hollywood. It was produced by firefighters.

00:58:42And it includes the footage, including the firefighter, the footage of the firefighter

00:58:48communication between him and the command center. You can hear him as plain as day saying, I'm on

00:58:52the impact floor, floor 78. We have two fires here. We can control them. And he's comfortable. He's

00:58:59not worrying about the building collapsing. He just walked up 38 floors and the whole building

00:59:05collapses. Tucker, it's a big lie. Okay. Can I like what? Okay. Two things. What percentage of

00:59:13firefighters who were there that day are knowledgeable about building fires agree with

00:59:18you? Well, I have the utmost respect for the fire department of New York. When I wrote the

00:59:25manuscript, Able Danger, which I didn't publish because my lawyer said they would kill me back

00:59:29in 2006. I never published it. I'm going to publish it this year. Last summer in July, I took

00:59:35a copy up, a draft copy of the manuscript, and I met for two hours with John Esposito. He's

00:59:39the chief. He's a great man. I have total respect for him. And John knows me. And I said, John,

00:59:45you know my respect for the department. And I said, yes, Congressman, we know that. I said,

00:59:49I want to give you this copy of my manuscript, and I'm signing it in honor of Ray Downey for

00:59:53you to keep in your archives. This is what really happened. He took it. I felt I owed it to the

01:00:00fire department of New York and their members. There has been this subtle pressure to the firefighters

01:00:05and to the officers not to talk for obvious reasons. You know what this involves politically.

01:00:12And look what happened to the chief of L.A. The female chief of L.A. comes out and says that the

01:00:17resources were taken away from her for the field forest fires. And what does the mayor do? She fires

01:00:22her. That was just a few weeks ago. The firefighters are always a scapegoat. That's why, Tucker, I'm done

01:00:28with this. If it's the last thing I do, firefighters are not going to be taken for granted anymore.

01:00:32We're going to rise up. We're going to shake the country to its roots. Firefighters are not

01:00:37second-class citizens. Well, they certainly shouldn't be. But if they talk, they'll get

01:00:41sidelined. They'll be called crazies. Even though they heard explosions, they can't be allowed to say

01:00:47that. They heard explosions? Yeah, absolutely. It's on tape. We have people coming out of the

01:00:52buildings that heard explosions. We have film footage of people that talked to Fox News that was

01:00:59taken off the air, and now it was brought back by X. That's all available. That's why

01:01:03you need a commission to go back and look at all the lies. Wait, so there are, and pardon my

01:01:08ignorance, but there are people on tape saying I heard explosions. Yes, absolutely. 100%.

01:01:14Multiple people. So the counter to this, which is also kind of rooted in common sense as well,

01:01:19that would require a lot of people to be involved in a vast conspiracy and to stay silent for 24

01:01:25years. And that's just impossible because people talk. Not a lot of people. Not a lot

01:01:29of people. It would involve a very, very precise action of planning and, you know, taking steps to

01:01:37control the situation. And again, I have no firsthand evidence of this. That's why this is the most

01:01:45important thing. If there's one thing that you have the ability to do because you're very well

01:01:51respected and deservedly so, you coming out and showing that report, that request put out by the

01:01:59firefighters of America and by the people who are, excuse me for doing that. No problem. The people

01:02:05who are the most impacted by this. Yes. I've helped them now. I'm not, I'm not, there's no money in this

01:02:10for me. I'm everything I'm doing is pro bono. Pro bono. A new presidential commission. There was no

01:02:15presidential commission before this would be the first presidential commission. Wait, can I ask

01:02:20though, like if we find out, I mean, one of the reasons I became so upset was actually an Alex

01:02:26Jones guy years ago. Um, some campaign event I was covering, you know, 9-11 building seven. And I was

01:02:33like, shut up, asshole. You know, I don't, no one wants to hear that. And I was being a child and

01:02:37ignorant as I have admitted many times. And I was wrong because you should always be for the truth,

01:02:42no matter what. On the other hand, I think my instinct was informed by the feeling that, wow,

01:02:48if we find out that U S government officials or foreign officials or anybody is hiding the truth

01:02:56about an event that murdered 3000 America, totally innocent people like that's how could your country

01:03:02continue? If you found out, it would be almost as bad as if there were people in our country who

01:03:07planned to allow bin Laden to stay in Iran while we sent, uh, kids to Afghanistan and 2,500 came

01:03:14back in body bags. It would be almost as bad. No, you're right. No, you're right. Tucker,

01:03:19the American people don't understand. I was in decisions as vice chairman of the committee

01:03:24where I heard conversations talk about acceptable casualties. There are no acceptable casualties.

01:03:31If I have a son or a daughter and I'm the youngest of nine,

01:03:33my brothers and sisters served in every branch of the military, none of them would be acceptable

01:03:38casualties. And if we had people that made the decision that we can afford to get people over

01:03:46in Afghanistan, knowing that several thousand are going to come back dead, if there's no,

01:03:50we've got to find an alternative to that. And if we didn't do it there, then we shouldn't do it in

01:03:55the US. Do I think 9-11 is going to be the biggest scandal in our lifetime and beyond? Yes. I think it's

01:04:04going to be the biggest scandal in the history of America because it occurred on US soil. And because

01:04:09it is so recent that we have relevant information still available. That's right. We have recorded

01:04:16information. We have personal information. Once people realize they can talk and not be afraid of

01:04:22being killed or not being afraid of being ostracized. And you know what gets me is reporters

01:04:28who call people, you know, conspiracy theorists. Well, that's all the agency does. They're the ones

01:04:35that create the conspiracies. I'm aware. I mean, cut me a break. I'm aware. They have whole courses for

01:04:39their agents on how to make people look like they're conspiracy theorists. And the propaganda

01:04:43operations designed to discredit. Exactly. Right. And all we want is the truth. Of course. So Trump,

01:04:49appoint people of impeccable integrity. Let them study the facts. I will testify under oath

01:04:54everything I know about intelligence. Let these 3,000 architects who are risking their careers,

01:05:00making nothing, let them testify under oath. So let me ask you a very dark question. I don't even

01:05:05know if I want the answer, but Flight 93, which crashed in your state in Shanksville, Pennsylvania,

01:05:12became a kind of, and you feel obviously so crushed for the people, Todd Beamer and the rest on that

01:05:17flight. And they sound like they acted bravely and all that. But, you know, Dick Cheney, the

01:05:22President Bush was hiding at Offutt Air Force Base, refused to come back to DC because of cowardice.

01:05:27And so Cheney was kind of running everything on that day on September 11th. And he said,

01:05:32it's been reported, you know, he gave the orders to shoot down that plane. But then they told us,

01:05:36no, it wasn't shut down. The hijackers were under assault by the passengers. And so they drove it into

01:05:41the ground. Do you think that plane was shut down by the US government?

01:05:44I don't have any evidence of that, but I've seen other speculation that that plane may have been

01:05:49heading for the Chicago Tower. And if it wasn't for the people on the plane that diverted it and

01:05:54turned it around, that's where it was heading.

01:05:55For sure. Well, clearly it was, it was, that plane was going to be used to kill Americans, no doubt.

01:05:59And I lost a constituent that was a pilot on one of the planes, Michael Horrocks, who went to West

01:06:04Chester, the same school I went to. And I immediately contacted his widow and raised the funds to build a

01:06:10playground in his honor at the elementary school for his kids. So I felt it personally. The story

01:06:16is a story that America has to come to grips with this, because if there's any one story that's going

01:06:23to determine whether or not we are a country of what we all claim to be, then as painful as it is,

01:06:31we have to learn the lessons from that. If we don't, and we allow these people that were involved in

01:06:37these coverups, and in my case, I, the people I'm talking about are covering up without any

01:06:42hesitation, the intelligence side of it. If we don't do that, then this is just inviting this to

01:06:47happen again and again. And it's, and it's going to continue. You can't have that in a country like

01:06:52ours. We're supposed to be the symbol around the world. And we get laughed at by people. The people

01:06:57in Libya know what we did and why we did Gaddafi. North Korea, we had a solution for North Korea that

01:07:02Colin Powell endorsed, that I worked on with a bipartisan delegation that the White House under

01:07:07Bush didn't want. And look at now, North Korea is threatening an attack. All of these things we

01:07:12create, and the American people don't have access to know the truth, then we're not really what we

01:07:17say we are. Who are the darkest actors in the Bush administration, do you think? I can't name anyone.

01:07:23I mean, Sandy Berger, in my opinion, should have been tried for treason. So Sandy Berger was,

01:07:27I agree, well, he committed treason, so he should have been. He's passed now. I knew him. He was

01:07:33National Security Advisor for Bill Clinton. So tell us, tell us, you've made reference to him,

01:07:38for those who don't remember or are getting their history from Wikipedia. Who is Sandy Berger and

01:07:44why do you think he committed treason? And Wikipedia, by the way, has no credibility. I'm very aware of

01:07:49that. They are basically, it's a controlled process to manipulate. And you don't really know that

01:07:55until I know it just because, you know, you get older and like, there are some things on

01:08:00Wikipedia. It's like, wait, I was there. I know that that's not true. Sandy Berger was when this

01:08:06all started. He was security advisor for Clinton in the nineties. And as a member of the Cox

01:08:11Commission, which was a formal commission established by the Congress made up of nine

01:08:15members headed by Congressman Chris Cox of California. That's right. Five Republicans,

01:08:19four Democrats, all committee chairs, except me. I was appointed by Newt and we spent six months

01:08:24behind closed doors looking at all the data about why China stole our technology. And what we ended

01:08:30up with was a nine to zero vote. Our security was severely harmed by China's acquisition of technology

01:08:36and Chris Cox won a nine to zero vote. I went beyond that and working with the people that I had

01:08:42befriended that were doing the able danger stuff. I said, why did this happen? And they produced charts

01:08:48for me, which I have given to you to show the process that China established and China did what

01:08:55we do. We try to spy on other countries. That's part of the game. It's legitimate. But if you get

01:08:59caught by that, that's your fault. China set up a process using money through the Central Military

01:09:05Commission, the People's Liberation Army, to set up front companies to deliberately acquire selected

01:09:11technology in the U.S. by using campaign donations, primarily to the Clinton campaign in the mid nineties.

01:09:16The charts show that. You have those charts. Those donations resulted in waivers of arms control

01:09:23agreements. Those donations involved in waivers of controls over technology and all the technologies

01:09:29are listed. Those charts show that four Chinese nationals who had no citizenship rights here gained

01:09:36access to the White House, in some cases, 49 times in one year. They were raising money for the

01:09:41Democratic National Party and Clinton. All of that was orchestrated by Sandy Berger politically.

01:09:48In the end, what happened was we basically empowered China to acquire our technology by allowing them to

01:09:55use campaign donations. And the best example I can give you of this is there was a very specific

01:10:01inquiry done by the Justice Department of the L'Oreal Corporation in California. L'Oreal Corporation,

01:10:07very capable space company and technology company, had been caught transferring stage separation

01:10:14technology to China. Stage separation technology allows you to have a multi-stage missile to go

01:10:20long distances. Yes, which is required for intercontinental. And China didn't have that.

01:10:26They didn't have that capability. So they got it. So L'Oreal Corporation was caught transferring that.

01:10:31That's a violation. So the Justice Department, this is public information, was about ready to indict

01:10:36the CEO, Bernie Schwartz. Bernie Schwartz went to Sandy Berger and received, this is public information,

01:10:44a retroactive presidential waiver. Retroactive presidential waiver. The technology had already

01:10:51been transferred. Now they get the waiver that it's okay. And that year, Bernie Schwartz becomes one of

01:10:58the single biggest donors in the history of the Democrat Party. I put all the donations in the

01:11:03congressional record. So anyone can go back in the congressional record to that time period and look

01:11:08for my speech and you'll see the donations of Sandy Berger to the Democrat National Party and Al Gore

01:11:15and Bill Clinton while we were giving our technology. So China didn't steal it. They outsmarted us.

01:11:21That's our fault, not their fault. Right. They bribed our officials.

01:11:25So that's the first thing with Sandy Berger. Then Sandy Berger was involved in the run up to 9-11

01:11:30and he was still Clinton's security advisor. He was told he had to appear before the 9-11 commission.

01:11:39So two weeks before he was to appear, he gets permission to go to the National Archives

01:11:43in Washington. And he goes up to the top floor in a special room. It's a big empty room and he didn't

01:11:50realize he was on camera. They bring out documents that he has to see before his testimony. He said

01:11:55it was the refresher's memory. He ends up stealing those documents. In a case that many remember and

01:12:00laugh about, he stuffed the documents in his underwear and his socks and his shirt pocket.

01:12:05You've seen the story and it's all true. He leaves the archives with those national security archives,

01:12:12all pre-9-11 intelligence. And by the way, none of this is in a 9-11 commission report. None of it.

01:12:17That's not mentioned. No. He leaves the archives. Do we know what those documents were?

01:12:22Well, I'll tell you what happened. He gets caught. The inspector general for the archives contacts Berger

01:12:28and said, Mr. Berger, did you take anything while you're in the archives? And he says, no, that's a felony.

01:12:32He lied to a federal agent. He then hires one of Clinton's personal lawyers. That lawyer cuts a plea bargain.

01:12:39Sandy Berger pleads guilty to 11 felonies. Lying to a federal agent, stealing five documents,

01:12:48and destroying five documents. The plea bargain he gets is one misdemeanor. No jail time. He loses

01:12:56security clearance for one year. In the August before my election loss, I told my staff, I want to go to

01:13:03the archives to see copies of what we think Berger stole. The CIA called my office and said, tell your

01:13:09boss that's very sensitive information. Like, what do you have to tell me? What my job is? I know what

01:13:14my job is. I don't need to be reminded by somebody from some agency. So I went there. The documents

01:13:20were all regarding pre-9-11 intelligence. The Millennium After Action report, which was prepared

01:13:25by John Ashcroft, was part of the documents that they didn't want the 9-11 commission to have.

01:13:30Sandy Berger stole those documents. If you stole documents that are in the National Archives,

01:13:35you'd be in jail right now. Sandy Berger got away with it. One felony. He leaves the administration

01:13:41of Clinton and he forms a company. Guess what the company's called? Stonebridge. I think he hires

01:13:48Madeleine Albright. Stonebridge Albright. And what do they do? They represent Chinese corporations.

01:13:55Disgusting people. Both now gone.

01:13:57Both now gone. Do we know what was in those five documents?

01:14:01Well, I went down there. I looked at what we think he stole. It was all pre-9-11 intelligence.

01:14:06Suggesting that they should have known? Suggesting that we should have taken action.

01:14:09Yeah. Well, we know that Clinton could have taken out bin Laden in the base camps many times.

01:14:13I mean, all of this. And there's much more intrigue that I don't know about. That's why it needs a

01:14:19thorough investigation, not of staffers, not of hacks, but of people of intellect and people who are willing

01:14:26to put the country first. That's why Trump needs to convene a commission.

01:14:30This is all so heavy that, you know, you wonder who would take that job.

01:14:36No, I have people who will take it. I have firefighters who will take it, fire engineers.

01:14:40I have people who will surprise you that will take the job.

01:14:43That would take true courage. No one even mentions declassifying 9-11. I mean, it's like,

01:14:50oh, the Kennedy Association, UAPs. I mean, I'm all for disclosure because we own the government.

01:14:55We're shareholders. We're not slaves. So that's my view. I always push for disclosure and I really

01:14:59mean it. But a 9-11, I don't even know anyone who wants, I do, but I don't know anybody else other

01:15:06than you who really wants full disclosure because it's like, you can feel it glowing. You just feel

01:15:11like, I don't know what that is, but that's really scary. You know why? Everybody in Washington

01:15:15gets caught up with their careers, with their consultant fees, with their, you know, I'm done

01:15:22with that. You know, I'm still paying the mortgage on my house. Actually? Yeah, absolutely paying the

01:15:27mortgage on my house. At what age? 77. Amazing. Yeah, my wife's a nurse, you know. So you didn't get

01:15:32rich in Congress. No, I did not. I didn't. I don't know how Biden and Obama, Obama was nothing in

01:15:38the Senate. How do you make $88 million in the Senate when you don't have a job? And Biden who

01:15:44I grew up with and was a friend with, I mean, our kids went to school together. How does he have

01:15:49multiple houses at the beach and, you know, I don't need wealth. I don't need wealth to be

01:15:56successful and that's not going to be my legacy. But there are people and it makes me sick to my

01:16:02stomach because I'd like to name them all right now, Tucker.

01:16:05Well, go ahead.

01:16:06Well, I have them down. You know my partners, Judge Sullivan, very distinguished, the former

01:16:12deputy director of the FBI, Buck Revell, Jim Woolsey, former deputy, former head of the CIA,

01:16:18Chuck Brooks, who you got a note from, former top guy at Homeland Security, Admiral Jay Cohen,

01:16:27who was head of research. They all know what I know and a lot more people. I had lunch with

01:16:32Jim Jones twice last year, former security advisor to Obama. I don't want to upend their

01:16:37careers. I don't want to cost them money. But America, America needs to know the truth.

01:16:41But without naming specific names, I'm familiar with every person that you just mentioned. And

01:16:47I would say from my impression, having lived in D.C. for 40 years, those are good guys,

01:16:51I think, honest people. Yeah. But without naming anybody, like people who, and those are all very

01:16:58highly informed people, like actually, for real, not bullshit. No, they're all real people. Oh,

01:17:01yeah, yeah, yeah, for real. Of that, of those kind of people, how many that you know think,

01:17:07ah, this is not right, the 9-11 report, all of them. But they're not going to come out. But

01:17:11everyone kind of knows. They're not going to be the lead person to come out and take it on. And

01:17:15many people say, you know, Kurt, you're crazy. You know, you're- Well, of course. Well, that's

01:17:18how they try to describe you. You're writing your- The only reason that I- I mean, I've never done

01:17:22a 9-11 show. I'm not a single one, really, that I know, maybe one in 30 years, 20, well, now 24

01:17:28years. But the only reason that I wanted to talk to you specifically is because I was there. And so I

01:17:33know how much you know. And you're not a fake person at all. You're like right at the center of it.

01:17:39So I think you have complete credibility on this topic. And I think it's pretty hard to dismiss you as a

01:17:44wacko. If you're a wacko, then why are you going to take over the Armed Services Committee? Like-

01:17:48Why would Donald Rumsfeld endorse me for the Armed Services Committee?

01:17:52And if you're still paying your mortgage at 77, you clearly weren't ripping anybody off.

01:17:56I have no secret bank account.

01:17:57Clearly. So I do think you've got a lot of credibility. But it's just interesting.

01:18:03You're obviously very focused on this. The people, just to restate, the people that you talk to

01:18:07who are in similar positions of authority, who would have access to, you know, real intel on this,

01:18:12they all think that the 9-11 report was just silly. Cover up.

01:18:18They think that there's a lot more to what happened than what's being told. The firefighters

01:18:24think the same. But a firefighter who's doing their- You know, the key thing and why I devote my life

01:18:30to firefighters, they're the most powerful people in the country. They're not driven by power and

01:18:33money. But when I organized them back in 1987, and the fire caucus became the largest in the

01:18:40Congress, I said, these are the people that make America work.

01:18:43Of course.

01:18:44I mean, they're the people that not just fight the fires and disasters. They're the people,

01:18:48it's where you vote on election day.

01:18:49Of course.

01:18:49It's where you hold the Boy Scout and Girl Scout meeting room. And there are 50,000 stations

01:18:53run by 30,000 departments and 85% of them are volunteers. Do you know next year as we celebrate

01:18:59the 250th anniversary of America, the fire service will be 290 years old?

01:19:03Yeah.

01:19:04The first fire department was formed by Ben Franklin in Philadelphia in 1736. It didn't take a government

01:19:09to get people to come together to protect each other. It's older than America. And the 50,000

01:19:16departments are in every town, every village. They're the heart and soul of our nation and

01:19:20the backbone of our country.

01:19:21I know that for you.

01:19:22And that's what I'm telling Trump. If you ignite that group of people, you don't need to have MAGA

01:19:27people alone, you have America then. Because in every poll, firefighters are 98% supported.

01:19:34They're the only ones everyone likes. I totally agree.

01:19:3898% because they're not driven by power nor money.

01:19:40That's right.

01:19:40And that's why firefighters don't want to get involved in a political battle. Even if they

01:19:44know they're being shortchanged, even if they know their loved one was killed when they shouldn't

01:19:49have been killed, they keep quiet. Well, I'm not going to keep quiet. I'm their voice and I'm going to

01:19:54speak out. So let me ask you one final question for people who've made it this far in the interview.

01:20:01And I should just, I want to say for the record, I think you've been really restrained. You haven't

01:20:04speculated on really anything other than things. You said, I saw this. I know this to be true.

01:20:09But you haven't given us some complex theory of why this happened.

01:20:13I can't. I won't.

01:20:14Right. But for people who are thinking, wow, this is a little more serious than I realized. And I want

01:20:21to know more. And clearly Wikipedia is a filter, not a way to actually understand history.

01:20:28What should people, what responsible, credible accounts of 9-11 would you recommend people read?

01:20:35Like, where do you get closer to the truth?

01:20:37There is no one single account that I have seen. I would suggest, and they can go on. I'm not on

01:20:44social media except on LinkedIn. And if you go to my LinkedIn, I'll send you a copy of

01:20:50Bravo 7. Bravo 7 is a film one hour long done by firefighters, not done by Hollywood. And by the

01:20:57way, my film based on my books coming out next year, and all the proceeds of my film Firefight are

01:21:03going to firefighters. So nobody can say he's going to make a profit off that. No.

01:21:07My Hollywood film is the proceeds are going to firefighters. It's about my book. But Bravo 7

01:21:14gives you the story of what really happened from the eyes of a firefighter. And then it has the audio

01:21:23comments of Oreo Palmer. And if you're a human being, and you listen to that brave firefighter with

01:21:30two kids, I think two or three kids, who's risking his life after he went up 40 floors in the elevator,

01:21:36climbing up 38 floors with his team, arriving on the floor of impact and saying, I can handle it.

01:21:43And if we let him die there, like it was just some random thing, then we're not human beings of

01:21:50decency. I agree. We owe Oreo Palmer. We owe Ray Downey. Ray Downey told us 93, eight years earlier,

01:21:58this is going to happen again. Ray Downey told us in the Gilmore Commission, we needed to have this

01:22:03fusion center. We allowed unnamed scumbags in the CIA to block us from having a fusion center.

01:22:10We allowed unnamed scumbags in the agencies to block transferring the information that Scott

01:22:16Philpott and Tony Schaefer and Eileen Pricer and Eric Kleinsmith had that they tried to transfer to

01:22:22the Justice Department. And they also had information before the attack on the USS Cole when they ruined

01:22:29the career of Kirk Lippold, the commander of the coal, and I defended him. If we're going to truly

01:22:34be a country that really cares about other people and what we're doing, then we have to live up to

01:22:40that. And how can you send your kid to war or combat and all this crap about giving them a home

01:22:46and a place to live and health? Well, great. Let's do it up front. Let's prevent them from needing a

01:22:51home. Let's prevent them from needing health care. Let's prevent them from having to be put in a

01:22:56in a shelter someplace. Let's focus on the veteran before they become disabled. Let's focus on the

01:23:02firefighter before they die. But see, the media, the media and the intel deep site likes to make

01:23:07it look like, well, we've got all these charities out there. These charities allow us to give money

01:23:13like we really care about them. Caring about them after they're dead is not the same as preventing

01:23:18them from dying. And that's what this is about, preventing them from dying. And I'm not going to stop

01:23:22until we take the necessary steps to never let this happen again. I'm grateful for your

01:23:28determination. And the last thing I'll say is, I think when you give up the love of money, you get

01:23:33filled with a holy power and you clearly have been. So, Congressman, thank you. Thank you very much.

🚨 Apr 14 2025 - Tucker w- Curt Weldon - Former 20yr (R) Congressman Blows The Whistle On 9-11

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