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00:00High noon! Jones and Keith here on WEEI. It's a Wednesday.
00:05And it's the return of Pure Hoops with Terp.
00:08Yes.
00:08Justin Turpin, WEEI.
00:11Check him out, at Justin Turpin on Twitter.
00:14His coverage all over WEEI and the Odyssey app as well.
00:17Terp, what's up?
00:18What's up? Nothing really to talk about, right?
00:20No, no, no, no. You called it, though. You said this was going to happen soon.
00:24Try to warn us.
00:25He tried to warn us.
00:26Monday morning, he's like, yeah, guys, I know we're talking on Wednesday,
00:29but I think a lot of this stuff's going to go down before the draft.
00:31And we're like, yeah, yeah, Terp, whatever.
00:33Next thing you know, boom, Drew Holiday, late night trade.
00:35Porzingis last night.
00:37So they've been active.
00:38Let me catch you up to speed on the latest, if we can, Terp.
00:41Oh, yeah.
00:41We'll circle back.
00:42Let's do it.
00:43Wynhorse says teams in the top 10 are lining up to make offers for Jalen Brown and Derek White,
00:48though he believes ultimately both will remain with the Boston Celtics.
00:52Brett Siegel of Clutch Points.
00:55Clutch Points.
00:56Who looks young enough to be Terp's kid.
00:58Yeah.
00:58Like, this guy looks young.
01:00Okay, young gun.
01:01Okay, well, good.
01:01He looks like a young gun.
01:03I like it.
01:05He's hearing Jalen Brown has been a hot name trending in trades around the league.
01:10The Utah Jazz, who's GM, president of basketball ops, whatever his title is, is Danny Ainge.
01:15Yes.
01:16Made an aggressive push in the last couple of days to try and acquire him.
01:19League sources tell Clutch Points.
01:22What's the likelihood Jalen Brown is on the move, Utah or anywhere else?
01:25I don't see it.
01:26I don't see it.
01:27I mean, I guess with Utah with the fifth pick, obviously there's a Boston connection with two angels now in Utah, but I just don't see them moving off Jalen Brown.
01:36I think for the most part, fans understood what was going on with the second apron, that they had to get under there for the restrictions, the penalties, whether or not you agree with it, that's a different story.
01:45But if you get under the second apron and then trade Jalen Brown or Derek White, I think that's where you run out of your free pass, right?
01:51In a way, they have a pass to kind of maneuver the way they've done things and the way they've operated because people understand they have to do it.
01:57But this is a new ownership group coming in now.
01:59They've accomplished the goal that they wanted, and they're not done yet, right?
02:02They're only four and a half million under.
02:03There are more moves to come.
02:05But if you're going to run out of that pass and turn around and trade Jalen Brown or Derek White, those are the guys that everyone kind of feels the feeling around is that they are going to build around them and Jason Tatum.
02:14And if you go off and offload one of them, that's how you really set a bad tone to the beginning of your ownership.
02:19And I know this is a salary dump, like very clearly, this is what they're doing.
02:23But I feel like it's a little bit different.
02:25So when you look at the Red Sox, Rafael Devers was having an all-star season.
02:29Christoph Porzingis played half a season and not in the playoffs.
02:33And then when he did play in the playoffs, he was tired after games.
02:35Like, I feel like, yeah, the return wasn't great for Porzingis, but you just couldn't rely on him.
02:41Like, I feel like a lot of fans probably feel the way I do, where you're like, all right, nice player.
02:45Thanks for the run on the title.
02:47But without Tatum next year, you need guys that are going to play and guys that you can rely on.
02:52So this sort of had to happen.
02:55Like, Porzingis being gone, like, okay.
02:57Like, I don't think you're – you're not losing the guy that you're like, oh, he could be 20 points per game and like seven rebounds.
03:03Like, that guy's not really there.
03:04You can't rely on him.
03:05I will say I am a little bit worried for what it means for the offense now, though, and the defense at that.
03:10But, I mean, when he was on the floor, he did give them an entire other element that took them to another level.
03:16I know it was sparingly.
03:17We actually looked at it this morning.
03:18And like two playoff runs, though, where you couldn't even count on.
03:20And I think the last one this year, when they needed him most, when they were going stagnant against New York,
03:26they went out and got Christoph Porzingis for that reason, to get the offense back on track when that was happening.
03:31And he wasn't able to do it.
03:32So I think people did sour on him pretty quickly.
03:34And when it's all said and done, people will look back on his tenure here and be relatively happy, right?
03:38They won a championship.
03:39Game one alone, I think, was worth it.
03:41Like, you come out right out of the gates and he just punches Dallas in the mouth.
03:44It really felt like there was no recovering from that for Dallas.
03:47Like, they just, the Celtics right away flexed their muscles and said, we are a better team.
03:51And Christoph Porzingis was right in the middle of that.
03:53But I do think people are a little bit upset, and rightfully so, about how, actually, I don't even think.
03:57I know people are upset about how he played in the playoffs this year.
04:01But, you know, he did bring another element.
04:03Now you're kind of left, what are you going to do now when the offense slows down a little bit?
04:06Because he was, as much as he wasn't in the playoffs, for the time being that he was here, he was the guy that got them back on track.
04:12And that's why they went out and got him, right?
04:13Because they couldn't beat his own against Miami.
04:15They went out to a guy who's kind of matchup-proof.
04:17And it worked for the most part, but it didn't at the end.
04:19But I am a little bit worried for what that means now.
04:21And the moves aren't done yet, so we'll see.
04:23Okay, so that's what I was going to ask you about.
04:24I don't like the Porzingis move.
04:26If I told fans yesterday, all you were getting for Porzingis was Niang and a second-round pick, fans wouldn't have wanted to do that.
04:32Now, I understand the cap savings or getting under the second apron.
04:37I understand all that.
04:38They could have taken more money back and gotten a better return.
04:40They chose to prioritize savings.
04:42I don't like this one.
04:43I do like the Drew Holiday trade.
04:45And I thought they did much better on that trade than I expected them to do.
04:50Keith and I both like Anfernee Simons.
04:52Is he going to be here, or is he going to get flipped?
04:55See, that's the issue.
04:56Is if they hang on to him, he'd be the fourth-highest-paid player on the roster this year.
05:00And when you're just looking at it, right, if you're assuming his extension is going to be in the neighborhood of where he's at right now,
05:05it's going to be between $25 million and $30 million per year.
05:08They just jumped off Drew Holiday's salary that would be close to $30 million a year.
05:12So you're really not going to save much than what you were with Drew Holiday.
05:15So I just feel it's going to be tough for them to extend him.
05:18So if you're looking towards the future, right, are you going to really want to hang on to Anfernee Simons?
05:22And I'm a big fan of his.
05:23I think he would be a great fit in the system, specifically offensively and even defensively.
05:27I think being around better defenders in a scheme that has proven to work.
05:31I think what Joe Mazula has done with the defense is kind of overlooked.
05:33They finished second, second, and fourth in defensive ratings since Joe Mazula's been here.
05:37So the defense has been good.
05:38So I think that would help him as well.
05:40But when you're just looking at the future, right, it's all about complementing this team when Jason Tatum gets back.
05:45What is the cupboard going to look like?
05:46What are the surrounding assets going to look like when Jason Tatum gets back?
05:50And as Anfernee Simons fitting in on that timeline, just given what his extension would cost, it's just kind of tough to justify it.
05:57So maybe they hang on to him and move him at the deadline.
05:59Teams are always looking for shooters, especially a guy that would be on an expiring deal.
06:04And he could really prove himself in this really like the Celtics going to play fast this year and he's going to fit in well.
06:08So we'll see.
06:09I just don't see him factoring into the future plan just because of the financial standpoint.
06:13Like you just went under the second apron.
06:15The plan would not be to go right back into it.
06:17So two, I guess, questions about as it relates to Simons.
06:21Obviously, Holliday's had the better career.
06:23But for the next three years, who do you think will be the better NBA player, Anfernee Simons or Drew Holliday?
06:28I would go Anfernee Simons.
06:29And if you factor in the contract as well, like that Drew Holliday contract towards the end, he's 38 making like 30 million a year.
06:36Yeah, more.
06:37That's going to look pretty tough.
06:38We saw him drop off a little bit last year too.
06:40Absolutely.
06:40Shooting efficiency.
06:41I mean, especially from the three.
06:43And my other point, though, on Simons would be I agree with you.
06:46I don't know if he's somebody that you want to commit 25, 30 million dollars to for multiple years.
06:52But knowing that you have one year without Tatum, which is 20 shots a game and 30 points a game, and the Eastern Conference is wide open, wouldn't you almost say, hey, we'll take this guy.
07:02He's kind of a mercenary.
07:03We'll take him for one year and then we'll just let his contract expire.
07:06But we're going to use his offense this year while Tatum's gone.
07:10Yeah, I actually crunched some numbers on this just to kind of put it into perspective as well for Jason Tatum and what they're missing with him in the office.
07:16Sick.
07:17I walked right into that one.
07:19Nice.
07:1926.8 points per game for Tatum last year.
07:21That was 23% of the team total.
07:2320.3 shots.
07:24That was 22% of the team total.
07:27And if he had 6.0 assists, that was 23% of the team total.
07:30So you're looking at like a quarter of the team total in points, shots, assists.
07:35Like, you need to make that ground up somewhere.
07:37I'm sorry.
07:37That's just Tatum.
07:37That's not even factoring in what you lost with Holiday, too.
07:40Correct.
07:40That's just Tatum.
07:41And Porzingis.
07:42Right.
07:42So you just think of all the ground that needs to be made up on the offense and what you're getting in Anthony Simons as a capable combo guard.
07:49I think he's a great one-year guy.
07:51Like, I don't need to have him.
07:53I don't need to commit multiple years to him.
07:54I'd use him for this year.
07:55See if he can get hot, have a good offense.
07:57Maybe surprise the people in the East.
07:59Like, I think that's a good investment.
08:01And also, it's like you're not punting on the season.
08:03It's something there.
08:04And then let Brad figure out who he wants to commit to after the fact.
08:07I just wonder if they want to get the kind of roster that is going to be playing with Jason Tatum in line, especially if it's younger players, and just let them play.
08:15Like, if you're going to bring in younger players in the draft, free agency, whatever it may be, let those guys get the experience and let them play.
08:21I would wholeheartedly disagree with that approach.
08:23And it's pure hoops, rather, with Justin Turpin joining us here on WEI, Jones and Keefe.
08:30I would just disagree with that.
08:31I would lean more towards where Keefe is at, where I would try to win games this year.
08:35And, you know, the East is wide open.
08:39And I wouldn't just prioritize a youth movement and fitting the roster around Tatum, which I get is a long-term goal.
08:45But until I see the East have a significant hurdle there, the Knicks are beatable.
08:50Cleveland's beatable.
08:51Indiana's definitely beatable.
08:53I don't believe in Orlando.
08:54Detroit needs to add more.
08:56Those are the best teams in the East.
08:57I just listed them all.
08:58So they shouldn't just punt on this year to prioritize youth movement and getting kids out there.
09:03I was just saying that could be an alternative.
09:05So I'm not arguing with you.
09:06I would argue with that approach.
09:08If that's what they do, I would hate it.
09:10No, I would totally agree.
09:11Like, they should be going for it.
09:12You have two Supermax players on the roster.
09:14You have Derek White on the roster.
09:16Like, there is still talent on this team.
09:17And I know it's tough with Jason Tatum out.
09:20I mean, we're going to see how important he is.
09:21But you still have players around on this team that can win you games.
09:25And you said the East is wide open.
09:26I mean, hell, if you look at the sportsbook odds, they're still, like, a top-five finish projected.
09:31So, like, yeah, they should absolutely go for it.
09:33And you don't know if Tatum's going to come back.
09:35Like, I think it's a risky game to assume, like, all right, he's trending forward.
09:39Like, let's assume, like, it's risky to play like he's, like, take it like he's going to come back.
09:43But it's also, you don't know.
09:45Like, he could be coming in.
09:46Like, you could be a four or five seed at the worst.
09:48And Jason Tatum can be coming in and joining a playoff team.
09:52So, you have to keep that into consideration as well.
09:54Simons, Niang, better chance one is on the team this season versus the other.
10:00Like, are they both gone?
10:01Like, what's your guess?
10:03I mean, I would lean Simons because I think he is a potential asset in the future.
10:07When you look at Niang, like, that was strictly a salary dump.
10:10And no one's arguing to the contrary.
10:12Like, everyone's like, wow, that was – people are shocked it was such a salary dump for Porzingis.
10:16Like, they're not married to that guy at all.
10:18It's just going to set you up – it does, in a way, set you up for more flexibility long term.
10:22Like, those are two, like, NBA players.
10:24Simons is a starter.
10:25Niang is a bench guy.
10:26You could play them, and then their contracts are up after the year.
10:29And, like, I feel like –
10:30Niang is in your rotation and Simons is a starter.
10:32Like, you could do that.
10:32And a top 100-ish player in the league.
10:34Right.
10:35Like, I don't think that's terrible.
10:36I wrote this for WEI.com, Bragg.
10:39Yep, there you go, Bragg.
10:40The other day, the fact that they were able to get under the second apron
10:43and not give out any of their picks that they had and add two rotational players
10:49is a win for Brad Stevens.
10:50I mean, the reality is that they were going to get worse.
10:52There was no way around that.
10:54You're already down a starter from the championship team in Jason Tate.
10:57Well, you subtracted two starters to get two –
10:59No, no, no.
11:00I get that, but I'm just saying it's not a basketball win.
11:02It's a financial win.
11:03A financial win.
11:04It's given the situation.
11:05But that's just kind of the nature of the league now and the CBA.
11:08Like, you have to look at that.
11:09You have to consider that.
11:10And I think people are overlooking the basketball penalties in this sense
11:14when you are retooling the roster.
11:15And you would have been doing it next year regardless
11:17because were they going to hang on to Drew Holiday the duration of that contract?
11:21They probably weren't.
11:22Like, that contract is not going to age well.
11:24Christoph Porzingis was done next year.
11:26Yeah.
11:26It makes it really hard to build a new roster when you're so handicapped
11:30by these restrictions.
11:31So they did need to get out financially and for the basketball restrictions.
11:36Maybe.
11:37They didn't have to do it today.
11:38They didn't have to do it now.
11:39They had until the trade deadline to sort that out.
11:41And my contention would be you could get that return for Porzingis,
11:45like a low-level contract, or maybe even a better return by waiting that out.
11:51That would be my contention, but it's a hard one to prove.
11:54Real quick, before we get some phone calls,
11:55and you can dial up, Terp, any questions you have about tonight,
11:59about the Celtics' offseason, about moves to be made,
12:01or moves they have made, 617-779-7937.
12:05We'll get there in a moment.
12:07You think Hauser moves tonight?
12:09I think that would be one of the outcomes that are possible tonight.
12:12I would lean Hauser, Simons, or Niang that if they are to make a move,
12:16any one of those three could be in play tonight.
12:18I think so.
12:19I wouldn't say Derek White or Jalen Brown,
12:21but I think any of those three would be in play.
12:23Terp's been trying to warn us about it.
12:24All right, so one more time.
12:25So not Brown, not White,
12:27but any one of Hauser, Simons, or Niang could be in play tonight.
12:32Now, is that for a roster move,
12:33or is that to move up like Bullpett was reporting?
12:35Could be probably to move up.
12:36I think they're looking at the draft like,
12:38and this is another thing, too,
12:39is if you're going to be offloading guys,
12:41you want to get younger,
12:43and you want to build through the draft,
12:44especially with what they're trying to do here.
12:46So, yeah, I think it could be for a draft pick and moving up tonight.
12:49Okay, let's get to some phone calls.
12:51617-779-7937.
12:53Our pal Josh is in Nashville.
12:54Go ahead, Josh.
12:56Jonesy Keys, this Terp guy.
12:58What up, fellas?
12:59Hello, Josh.
13:00This Terp guy.
13:01Hello there.
13:03Terp guy.
13:04Yeah, I'm just kidding.
13:04I'm putting some respect on his name.
13:07Appreciate that.
13:08Yeah, you know.
13:09But, yeah, like, Boston and the NBA,
13:12like, what are we doing with Jalen Brown still in Boston?
13:16Like, I've been on this take for friggin' years, man.
13:19Like, the man does not know how to friggin' dribble a friggin' basketball.
13:25The most essential thing that a basketball player should know how to friggin' do.
13:30Get him now out of here.
13:32Get him to Utah.
13:34Get him out.
13:35Oh, get him out.
13:35Get him out.
13:36The guy is drunk.
13:37I mean, what are we doing here?
13:38Friggin' get him out of here, would you?
13:39We're still doing this.
13:40He's very aggressive.
13:41No, no, no.
13:41Listen, Jones and I also traded Jalen Brown for about five straight years.
13:44I was just going to say.
13:44I've stopped, though.
13:45No, I am a reformed Jalen Brown trader.
13:48What about for Cooper Fleck?
13:49Well, I'd do that.
13:50What about for Giannis?
13:50Well, I'd do that.
13:51What about for Devin Booker?
13:52I would do that as well.
13:52Okay, so you're not totally reformed.
13:54No, but to Utah for the fifth pick?
13:55No, I'm not doing that.
13:56Or even San Antonio for the second pick, which had been a rumor for a while?
13:59Uh-huh.
14:00I'm not doing any of those.
14:01Sorry, you're a pure hoops guy, as well-known.
14:04No.
14:05Purist.
14:05What is the fundamental skill of a basketball?
14:09Is it dribbling, to use his parlance, a friggin' basketball?
14:12Yeah, I think, you know, that is a fair assessment.
14:15Yeah, that's fair.
14:15I would say so.
14:16Yeah, more so than shooting.
14:17Well, you can't really get on the court if you can't dribble.
14:20Please talk to Kyle Korver.
14:21I never saw the guy dribble a little bit.
14:23Kyle Gibson once scored 71 points in a game without taking him one dribble.
14:26I mean, I guess shooting.
14:26Can't you shoot Reggie Miller?
14:27Come off a screen?
14:28Boom.
14:29Ray Allen?
14:29Ray Allen barely dribbled.
14:31Shooting would be.
14:31It depends on your position, I guess.
14:33It's all kind of relative, case by case.
14:36They're all good skills.
14:37Jack is in Worcester.
14:38What's up, Jack?
14:38Hey, Josh sounds like he's hunched over somewhere at a bus stop in Dorchester.
14:43But anyway, I just was calling to wonder if Simons or Hauser plus a combination of picks
14:49is enough to move up to get whoever Stevens is targeting.
14:53I mean, we trust him, I'm sure, more than just about anybody in the league to target a
14:57guy and pick the correct player to get.
15:00Hang on.
15:01Do we?
15:01In the draft?
15:02Stevens?
15:03Well, Stevens hasn't had a lot of opportunity in the draft.
15:05In the draft.
15:05Do we trust him to do that?
15:07That's what he's saying.
15:07He just made his first first round selection last year.
15:10Like, we really don't know anything about it at the end of it.
15:12Right.
15:12But I'm not saying he can't.
15:13I'm not saying he can't do it.
15:14But I trust him more than anybody else to target a player and move up in the draft.
15:17No.
15:18No, I wouldn't.
15:18I wouldn't agree with that.
15:19We haven't seen it.
15:20We haven't seen it yet.
15:21And I don't know how much a Hauser and Simons get you into the top 10.
15:25I mean, teams are going to be calling to get in and teams are also going to be looking
15:28to get back out.
15:28So there will be moves.
15:29But I just don't know if that's the deal that does it, especially with Simons on expiring
15:33deal.
15:33I mean, we'll see how high up 28 and 32 can get you.
15:36But like, I mean, Hauser, that's a tradable contract and an asset that teams are always
15:40looking for.
15:40Teams are always looking for shooters.
15:42Guys are going to be making like 10 million a year over the next four.
15:44He's never shot below 40% from three in his career.
15:47So there's going to be some interest with him.
15:49And that's a player that teams can always be looking to add.
15:52Now, that's also one that you can move at the trade deadline.
15:54And you don't really have to worry about the injuries as much with Sam Hauser.
15:56Right.
15:57For the most part, he's been pretty healthy.
15:58I know he dealt with a couple of things last year with the back and the ankle, but for
16:02the most part, he's been pretty healthy.
16:03And you were telling me that a contending team at the deadline next year wouldn't be
16:06interested in Sam Hauser.
16:08You'd be lying, right?
16:08Because every team's always looking to upgrade as a shooter, especially a three-point shooter
16:12that's consistent like Sam Hauser.
16:13So, I mean, I could also see them hanging out to Sam Hauser for that reason, because there
16:17will be suitors frame at the deadline if they so choose.
16:20Here's another way to save money.
16:21Trade 28 and go into the second round or take a future first.
16:24Because you were telling me, Terp, some of the money, there are four or whatever below
16:30the second apron, even if they make the first round pick.
16:32So that's counting in the first round pick.
16:34If they move that guaranteed money, there's savings right there, precious savings for Bill
16:38Chisholm.
16:39What do you want him to do in the draft?
16:40Is there a name that you like or a player that you like, whether it's a move up, move
16:44back, stick and pick scenario?
16:46What do you want him to do?
16:46I really would like to see them go with the big and kind of the Christophe Porzingis
16:50archetype there.
16:51So I like Ryan Cockbrenner from Creighton, which we got a tweet about earlier on the show
16:55account.
16:55I saw that one.
16:56Yes, true.
16:56I also like Maxime Renaud from Stanford, another one that's a shooter.
17:03We got a call about him yesterday, Keith.
17:05I'm like, who's the Stanford?
17:06I'm like, is he talking about the Lopez twins?
17:08Like, who's the Stanford kid he's talking about?
17:09Oh, yeah, Mark Madsen?
17:10Remember Mark Madsen?
17:11I do remember Mark Madsen.
17:12He's a good Stanford player.
17:13I've seen him now in a couple of different, I think John Giavone had him in a mock draft.
17:18Gary Parrish, who I like, had him in a mock draft.
17:20I've seen him linked to the Celtics a couple of times.
17:21And this could mean nothing, but I think it is worth something just noting, like that
17:25last year when they drafted Bale Shireman and Anton Watson last year, they were both
17:30older prospects.
17:31Both of these guys are older.
17:34Cockbrenner was a fifth-year senior.
17:36Jeez, dump that.
17:37I'm getting sorry.
17:38And Raynaud was a senior as well.
17:40Raynaud, Raynaud, Raynaud.
17:41Get him now out of here.
17:43Uh, so the guy that the Illinois guard that, uh, steeple pet mentioned Yaka Jonas, Yaka
17:50Jonas.
17:51He's projected to be like a top 10 pick, right?
17:54So like if there were to go from 28, they'd have to go pretty high in order to get him.
17:59So, and also he's, he's a freshman.
18:01So like if they go back to their, you know, four-year model, you're more likely to get
18:05that guy at 28 or whatever, 24.
18:08If you move up a few picks, package your high second round pick somewhere in there.
18:11But yeah, if they get into the top 10, like that's, that's at least interesting.
18:15You know, it's something that like, they're clearly targeting somebody there that they
18:19can bring in and you would think would, would get good points on them.
18:21It's near impossible to target anyone at 28 because whoever you're thinking about, Brooklyn's
18:24probably going to scoop up.
18:25They have five first round picks.
18:27If, and then they have like an early second, not that that really matters, but just like
18:30in that group of picks, they have like six of like 12 picks.
18:32They're essentially drafting a summer league team.
18:34That's five or six.
18:36Seven or eight.
18:36Good call.
18:38That's going to be the Thunder in a couple of years, right?
18:40Like they have the Thunder have like every pick.
18:41Thunder and like, who's that?
18:42Is it the Jazz?
18:43Thunder have two picks in this draft.
18:45And they're looking to move up this year.
18:46Yeah.
18:46Thunder are already in the lottery, aren't they?
18:48I think they're already in the lottery.
18:49Yeah.
18:50And they just won the title.
18:51Now look, 14 or wherever they're picking, how valuable is that?
18:55We can debate.
18:56But that's apparently where Brad Stevens is looking to move up to.
18:59I'm not telling you Brad can't do it, by the way, but he hasn't done it, which means
19:03there's other GMs.
19:04I trust to target a guy and move up, but it'll be interesting on draft night.
19:07Any one of Hauser, Simons or Niang could move tonight.
19:12Terp says, and he wants, what's the name again, Terp?
19:16Who do you want again on draft night?
19:18I'm going to have to get the beep ready.
19:19If I say it again.
19:20Yeah.
19:20Okay.
19:20Actually, we're not the safe harbor.
19:22Don't say that again.
19:22We're already, we're already out of our dump button.
19:24Uh, our dump allowance.
19:26Uh, well, Terp, uh, we appreciate the time.
19:28Pure hoops, uh, periodically in the off season, uh, every Wednesday during Celtic season.
19:33I will talk to you soon.
19:34Check out all his work, uh, at Justin Turpin on Twitter and all over WEEI as well.
19:38Thanks, Terp.
19:39All right, guys.
19:40Thank you, Terp.
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