- 6/23/2025
The Miami Heat’s final offer for Kevin Durant was a huge deal breaker... Kevin Durant was traded to the Houston Rockets Sunday for Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, the 10th overall pick in Wednesday's draft and 5 second round picks. Tobin and Leroy dive into the trade package and the ripple effect of losing out on KD yet again. What does this say about the Miami Heat and their belief in their team? Tobin GOES OFF on the HEAT front office BY NAME!
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00:00Having some fun here on a Monday, and now the fun ends because Kevin Durant once again
00:09slips right out of the fingers of Pat Riley as he steps up.
00:15He goes, all right, we're in the trade negotiations for Kevin Durant.
00:19How about I offer a bag of donuts and see if that actually gets us a call back?
00:24It did not.
00:25A reported offer that the Miami Heat gave stunk, as was reported last week by that Gambo,
00:34who's taking a very weird victory lap over the Miami Heat.
00:37It's a very strange thing.
00:40Kevin Durant ends up going to the Houston Rockets for Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks, the number 10
00:49overall pick, and five second round picks.
00:53The Miami Heat, according to reports from Barry Jackson and Anthony Chang, they say,
01:02according to a source of direct knowledge, the Heat not only declined to offer center
01:06Kalel Ware, but also did not offer forward Nikola Jovich in the final discussions.
01:14I'll get to you in a second later, right?
01:15The teams before the sun shipped Durant to Houston.
01:18Also, the source said the Miami Heat were never willing to offer more than one first round
01:22pick.
01:23Reportedly, what Anthony and Barry Jackson say the Heat offered was Andrew Wiggins, Terry
01:30Rozier, pick number 20 in Wednesday's draft, and two bench players, which are believed to
01:36be Jaime Hawkins Jr.
01:39and Haywood Highsmith.
01:42Which, got to be honest with you, if you did offer me that for Kevin Durant, I think I'm
01:47taking the phone with me while I take a poop in the bathroom, because that offer stinks.
01:53So, KD ends up in Houston.
01:57No Kevin Durant once again on the Miami Heat.
02:00And everybody's here left wondering, Leroy, where the hell do the Heat go from here?
02:04I, I, I, I'm a little torn by this, because the Heat had to know that was a BS offer.
02:19Okay, let's be clear.
02:20Had to.
02:21That offer, that offer stinks.
02:23And here's what I think gets lost in all of this.
02:29When teams are offering up these players, okay, so we've had a few situations here, and you
02:40have three or four teams that are vying for that player's services.
02:50Okay.
02:53I don't understand why the Miami Heat always offer, like, you're the only team negotiating.
03:03And that's what that sounded like.
03:05Like, you were going to go back and forth.
03:08Well, and the way it works now is, is you have preliminary discussions.
03:15Yep.
03:16You have three or four teams that come to the table with something.
03:20And now these teams only negotiate with the team that had the original best first offer.
03:29It, you know, for me, it's just such a lack of, if you're really serious about Kevin Durant,
03:34which clearly they weren't.
03:35Right.
03:36But if you know that the team you're competing with is the Rockets, and at bare minimum, if
03:41we're just going, okay, you don't want to go draft for draft, the baseline offer is top
03:4710 pick, top 20 pick.
03:50Like, you got to make up some ground somewhere.
03:54And it can't be for four guys you don't want.
03:57Because other than Haywood Highsmith, literally probably not a guy out there that he really
04:02want back next year.
04:04Maybe Wiggins.
04:05Maybe.
04:06But I'm sure they're, I'm sure they're not at the highest level of Andrew Wiggins that
04:10they were when they traded for him from Golden State.
04:12Right.
04:13So you're essentially saying like, take a guy we just got as a, as the salary filler
04:18for Jimmy Butler, a dude who's an absolute zero on our team in, in Terry Rozier and Jaime
04:25Hawkins Jr.
04:26Reportedly, who is value has never been lower and, and pick 20.
04:33That's it.
04:33So like, you're essentially flipping the Jimmy Butler package and, and also take Terry
04:39Rozier and Jaime Hawkins Jr.
04:40Who we only play against the wizards.
04:42Like I'm just, and, and yes, I, there is a part of me that's torn to Leroy, because I
04:49love Kalil Ware and I love Nikola Jovic.
04:52I really do.
04:52I think, you know, that, that, those guys playing together was probably some of the more
04:57fun basketball in a really, really unfun season.
05:00However, you got to give to get at some point.
05:06And I just thought from my standpoint, like the swing would have been Kalil, like that
05:11would have gotten you Kevin Durant.
05:13I understand your hesitancy there, but also Nico, who I think is also going to be a really
05:20good player, but where do you think the make is make good is you're not going to get Kevin
05:26Durant for all the stuff you hate.
05:27So, so I'm going to speak as if I am Andy Ellisberg, Pat Riley, and all the powers that
05:42be in the Miami Heat organization.
05:44And I'm going to say this and I'm going to think out loud.
05:52If I would have made that trade, right?
05:58How close are we?
06:01And it's only a two year deal, right?
06:04That Kevin Durant, you can expect two years, maybe.
06:07Two good years, yeah.
06:08Right.
06:09And then we're, the cupboards are bare.
06:12So what I'm thinking as a Miami Heat front office person is that you better guarantee me
06:25immediate results from this trade.
06:31If I'm going to include some of my young players, fine, but otherwise in two years, you're going
06:39to really be a dumpster fire because now you have no young talent and no draft picks.
06:46So think of it from that standpoint, forget, I get, I get the offer was weak and they probably
06:54could have offered one or the other.
06:57I'm not saying that, but what I'm saying is, is if you make a trade like that, right?
07:06Like Houston didn't care.
07:08They have a lot of young talent.
07:09They got draft picks.
07:10They got a whole bunch of stuff and they're close.
07:15So KD kind of, they can justify sacrificing that future because they are that close.
07:25The Heat can't do that.
07:28So if you're sacrificing your youth to bring in KD, how much of a difference besides a new
07:34face?
07:36Tell me what, what is it going to, tell me what that does to the Miami Heat.
07:42If I say I'm getting rid of Kalel or Jovich, right?
07:47And, and maybe Wiggins.
07:50So take that route.
07:52Okay.
07:53And, and I want you to answer this question for me.
07:56How much better are the Miami Heat?
07:58They look different.
07:59You got a all time great player on your team.
08:02How much better are they?
08:04I think they're tremendously better.
08:05I mean, like you're talking about a team that was the worst fourth quarter team in the
08:09league last year.
08:09And you're adding an all time scorer who can actually take the burden and actually makes
08:13things easier on your two best players.
08:17So like, I know everybody wants to put the age there, but it's literally a talent at offense.
08:23They haven't had since the likes of LeBron James, even with his age being what his age
08:27is.
08:29So yeah, it's a little bit of a roll of the dice as far as like, Hey, they don't pay aging
08:34stars.
08:35They don't ever, they don't like to do that of, of, of risking.
08:39They didn't want to do it with Dwayne Wade.
08:40They didn't want to do it with Jimmy Butler.
08:41Didn't want to do it with Shaq.
08:43Didn't want to do it with Zoe.
08:44It's, it's, they, they, they get a line of demarcation on age and they do not typically
08:49believe in paying those guys.
08:51So I, you know, but if you're talking about one of the weaknesses of the Miami heat, Kevin
08:57Durant being a great elixir to a lot of that, this was right there for you.
09:02And, and to offer that, you know, it just, I'm just saying, by the way, and by the way,
09:09Kevin Durant also did his job here in that probably the team that had the offer that the
09:15sons wanted the most was probably Minnesota.
09:17And he also deflected off of that.
09:19And the heat once again, just didn't want to up the ante.
09:23And I think the thing that is becoming a pattern for heat fans that has pissed them off is you
09:30always seem like you want to play this conservative off season offense.
09:36When it comes to these trade talks, you never want to risk it.
09:39You never want to push your chips to the table.
09:41You didn't want to get Jimmy Butler help.
09:43You didn't want to go all in on Dame.
09:44You wanted to do it on your terms.
09:46You didn't want to go in all in on Donovan Mitchell.
09:48You didn't want to give up Tyler hero.
09:49Cause you said, Oh, Tyler here is going to be some semblance of spider.
09:52So you didn't want to go all the way in on that.
09:54And it's just like how many times, and this may be the worst version of that heat team.
09:58So maybe this wasn't the time to do it, but how many times are you and that, and the front office
10:05going to go into these negotiations, playing it all the way safe, not thinking you have to risk
10:12anything, especially when you look about who you're competing with.
10:15You'd be like, all right, let's just do math here.
10:18If just the best asset we're getting in this is a pick that's 10 spots higher than us.
10:24And Jalen green, who's probably a more attractive beast at 23 years old, even though he makes
10:30a good amount of money than any other player we're offering in this draft or in this deal.
10:36Why do you think you're going to win that?
10:38And why don't you think you have to improve that?
10:40I just, and it just always feel like they're caught with their pants down being like, Oh,
10:45you know, well, Terry Rozier is going to kind of be like what Damian Lillard was.
10:49It's like, what?
10:51Huh?
10:52Okay.
10:52So now what are you going to do?
10:53You're going to come to us two weeks from now, and you're going to deal Wiggins for
10:58DeMar DeRozan and be like, Hey, we got under the luxury tax because he makes 10 million
11:02less.
11:02And guys, we got you DeMar DeRozan.
11:04We have your go to score.
11:05It's like, yeah, but he's not Kevin Durant.
11:09And this is what you guys always do.
11:12It's like, they always go trade talks on the cheap skis and then come with some semblance
11:17of a player as the player, the Miami heat have always wanted.
11:20And I'm sorry, but you want to talk about no hope.
11:26And what would the Miami beat of be with Kevin Durant?
11:28I don't know, but I just saw another star go down in the East with a blown Achilles kind
11:35of feels like it's as open as it's ever been to me.
11:38And you're, and that, by the way, it shows two things.
11:41One, you don't really believe in Tyler hero and bam on a bio, because if you don't believe
11:45adding to those guys at all time score, major contender, then what do you believe those
11:49guys to be?
11:50What do you believe in those guys to be?
11:52And if you're telling me you believe in your, your young guys, well then tell your goddamn
11:56coach to act like you play him, tell him to believe in his young guys and play him like
12:03he believes in those young guys, because you guys are stuck here in this seesaw of mediocrity
12:09and you don't act like you have any path because I know we're going to go into this year.
12:14Are you going to start Nikola Jovich?
12:16Are you going to play him like you wouldn't touch him in a Kevin Durant deal?
12:20Or are you going to be like, eh, I don't know what his role is.
12:22Maybe the sixth man.
12:24Are you going to actually give Kalel Ware the tools to succeed?
12:28Will you give him a playmaking guard who can get him the damn basketball?
12:32Or are you just going to be like, nah, this is a cool asset to have.
12:36So fine.
12:37You don't want to go all in and Kevin Durant and you want to say, don't know what we would
12:41have been with him.
12:42Okay.
12:42I'll hear those arguments, but your path better not be.
12:46We shaved off 10 millions, got you DeMar DeRozan because Wiggins never wanted to be here and
12:51you're going to sit here or, or dude, if you don't really believe in Bam and Tyler and you
12:58don't think that adding Kevin Durant to those two guys can make you any semblance of good
13:02in the East, which sucks.
13:05If you don't believe that, then you better take a long look in the mirror at those two
13:10guys and start wondering, what can we get for them?
13:14Be a real organization that I know you to once be and pick a direction because this is
13:21rudderless and you're pissing your fans off because every single time it feels like you
13:28allow your team to be thrown into these negotiations just simply as a leverage play.
13:33That's how it always ends up every single time, whether it be for Spida, whether it be for
13:40Harden, whether it be for Damian Lillard, whether it be for Kevin Durant, you're being used.
13:47East, what are you going to do about this?
13:52You have an East as open as it's ever been.
13:54You have a $50 million center and you have a $50 million guard or wants to be a $50 million
14:00guard.
14:01Do you believe in those guys or do you not?
14:04Because if you're going to give this bull bleep offer for Kevin Durant, to me, it tells
14:09you, well, they're not a Kevin Durant away from cranking it up and making an actual East run.
14:13Okay, then what are they because they didn't have Jimmy Butler for half a season.
14:19I understand it was a lot to deal with, but they flagrantly failed in being face of the
14:25franchise guys without them, without those JB training wheels around.
14:29They got blown out in the midst of a series like we have never seen.
14:34So, I just want to know, Pat, Andy, Mickey, Nick, Spoh, Zoe, what the hell are you doing?
14:50What's the plan?
14:55That was beautiful.
14:57I couldn't say that any better.
15:00I 100% agree with you.
15:04Like, and this is why last year, if you had played all of your young players, if for
15:18any other reason other than having more things to trade, because now here's what you have.
15:26You have two guys you like, but nobody else has seen play basketball on a consistent basis.
15:34Kalol, a little more at the end of the year.
15:37But, so you have those two guys.
15:39You have Bam and Tyler.
15:41Now, I can understand why you want to keep Tyler, even though Tyler might be better off the
15:52ball, but you've put him at point guard.
15:57There's just a lot of things that aren't very clear as to the direction of the team.
16:04It's hard for me to get this in my brain.
16:12This is the hardest part for me.
16:16When you say, these two guys are untouchable, but you haven't touched them either.
16:24It's a weird, it's a weird, it's a weird dynamic.
16:27And I thought I was on an island when I said I wouldn't trade Kalol or Jovich, but I didn't
16:34think the Heat would think that because you're not playing them like they're important to
16:40you.
16:41Schmieden says it well, where he says the Heat have to decide on extending Nico.
16:44They could actually extend him this year, but he's going to be going into the final year
16:47of his contract.
16:49What do you know what he's worth?
16:50Right.
16:51What do you know?
16:52Well, like, what, what is his, what's his value to you guys?
16:55What is it?
16:56I love the guy.
16:58I love him as a player.
16:59I love watching Nikola Jovich play basketball, but like, what do you guys see?
17:04Like, it's just, is there any, is there anything here?
17:07Any semblance of a team that's going to actually do anything?
17:12Do you believe in yourself?
17:13Cause it doesn't even feel like you guys believe in yourselves.
17:16That's the thing.
17:17Their actions don't fully explain this past weekend, right?
17:25Like how you have treated Kalel and Jovich don't quite coincide or, or look like the comments
17:36you've made about them, right?
17:38Like how you played them certainly doesn't seem like they're untouchable.
17:42So I'll do something.
17:44Yeah.
17:45All right.
17:45So I'll get you all that.
17:46If you've got your attention, it's really well.
17:47But I'll just go back to girl.
17:48Like, I'll keep going since I was at one of my dreams.
17:51Bye.
17:52I'll be back.
17:52Bye.
17:52I'm going to ask.
17:53Bye.
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