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  • 6/20/2025
Erik Spoelstra is a big force behind wanting Miami Heat to trade for Kevin Durant. Tobin smokes off season fumes; he's thought long and hard on who he would give up for Durant. What is Plan B if we don't acquire Kevin Durant this offseason? Who has the greater upside, Jović or Ware? Tobin takes things overboard... Is Nikola Jović a Siberian Jalen Brunson?

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00:00it's all time
00:01it's the only way
00:04no one of them might have to go
00:06I know I don't like that
00:08who you think
00:10just out of curiosity
00:11because I wondered this
00:13and I kind of know the answer
00:15and I know
00:18it's not going to work in my favor
00:19what's that
00:20who you think has the greater upside
00:24yo but you're where
00:25that's a great question
00:27I thought about this
00:29I have thought about this
00:32actually I've spent many a nights
00:34laying in my bed
00:35thinking about it
00:36it's got the greater upside
00:38yo which
00:39or go out where
00:40hey
00:41see why
00:42see why
00:43no what what
00:44I'm so glad you asked that
00:45that's strange
00:46he's been waiting for this moment
00:49oh yes
00:50we just answered the damn question
00:52and stopped
00:52why do I have to answer it so quickly
00:54why can't I just
00:55explain what you think by upside
00:59so
01:00in three years
01:04who would have made
01:07the biggest impact
01:09okay
01:11here's the thing
01:12here's what I wonder
01:14okay
01:14okay
01:15I think
01:16if you talk about
01:18Kalil Ware
01:19what I think he can be
01:21is in the
01:24in the perfect glove fit
01:26next to Bam
01:27as like a role
01:29for the team
01:29what I wonder
01:31with Jovich
01:32I true
01:33this is my heart of hearts
01:34okay
01:35and people will say I'm crazy
01:36okay
01:37I think heart of hearts
01:40I think Jovich is the better player
01:43I do
01:44I do
01:45I think
01:46just the way he plays basketball
01:48he's a different
01:49here's the problem with him
01:50he's a different player
01:51I think he's best with the ball in his hands
01:54let him to go out there
01:56facilitate
01:56see the court
01:58see vision
01:58getting better with
02:00taking advantage of
02:01size mismatches
02:02that's something that he has to
02:03improve on
02:04greatly
02:05but he gets downhill
02:07you know
02:08uses that Serbian
02:09Terminator body
02:11chiseled
02:12something about it
02:15and then
02:15no he's chiseled
02:16he is
02:17no he is
02:18he's rocked up dude
02:19I'm telling you right now
02:20I'm telling you right now
02:21no dude
02:22why do you gotta go
02:23I'm telling you right now
02:24he's chiseled
02:25this was a good
02:26normal conversation
02:27that you took
02:29to the next level
02:30and made it a
02:32bleep shot
02:33I
02:33I have thought about it
02:35and you asked me a question
02:37now
02:39will the heat ever give him that opportunity
02:40will Spoh ever say
02:41hey
02:42Jovich
02:43here's the keys
02:44you don't need to
02:46wait wait wait
02:46here's the keys
02:47neither one of them need the keys
02:48we're not talking about that
02:50I'm not talking about him having to be
02:52I think he does need the keys
02:53I've thought about this
02:54I've thought about this
02:55oh my god
02:56I'm sorry I asked
02:57why
02:57I am so sorry
02:59because you're a wear guy
03:00no it's not that
03:01it's okay that you're a wear guy
03:02no no no
03:02because I love Kalil Ware too
03:03I don't like it being
03:04I root for both of them
03:06hold on
03:06hold on
03:07I thought about it
03:09right
03:11yeah
03:11and
03:12I said
03:14to myself
03:15that I think
03:17Jovich has the bigger upside
03:19because Kalil will only
03:21be a center
03:23they won't move him around
03:25Jovich can do a lot of different things
03:28thus making him more important
03:29that being said
03:31right
03:33I only ask the question
03:34because
03:35if you go out
03:36and start making these trades
03:37you're gonna have to go into it
03:41willing to give up
03:43one of them
03:45totally fair
03:45so
03:46that's why I asked
03:47I think
03:48because
03:49where is like
03:52oh this is gonna fit next to Bam
03:54that feels like it's gonna work
03:55where's foot in the paint
03:56and I feel like
03:57they're like
03:58oh that's why
03:59we got a guy
03:59who's gonna block shots
04:00at the rim
04:01a deterrent there
04:02when you have your guys
04:06that you felt like
04:06you've invested in
04:07with Bam and Tyler
04:08it's hard to be like
04:09hey
04:09actually it's this guy
04:11but
04:11some people don't
04:12let me ask you this
04:13what if
04:15I know I'm gonna get me
04:17a phone up for this
04:17no
04:18wait here
04:18here's the point
04:19let me just
04:20can I say a take
04:21go ahead
04:21don't compare the players
04:23compare the situation
04:24but what if he's just
04:28Serbian Jalen Brunson
04:29who
04:30Jovic dude
04:32dude
04:32no I'm telling you
04:33what if we're overlooking him
04:35hey
04:35we're over
04:36no no no no no
04:37don't do that
04:37I'm just
04:38no I just
04:39you guys ask me my thoughts
04:40and I'm just
04:41no no no
04:41that's not fair
04:42that's not fair
04:43hold on
04:43here's the perfect
04:45here's the perfect answer
04:46here's the perfect
04:48hold on
04:49don't say that
04:50I got the perfect answer
04:52by Wade 06
04:53MV3
04:55where it can be
04:57a 2010
04:57two-way player
04:59Jovic
05:00can be
05:01a 18-7-5 guy
05:03and that's
05:05you see what I mean
05:07that's not that different though
05:08like those are good things
05:09no
05:10no I'm just saying that
05:11but
05:12you kinda
05:16like
05:16that's
05:17they're gonna play
05:18two different games
05:19third season
05:20for Jalen Brunson
05:2113 points a game
05:23no
05:25wait
05:25okay
05:26just saying
05:27like there was a big glow up
05:28for him
05:29yeah
05:29what if Jovic
05:31is Serbian
05:31Jalen Brunson
05:31but Jovic could blow up like that
05:33Ware is not going to
05:35just because of the position
05:37he plays
05:38that's kinda where I'm getting at
05:39and you know how much
05:41I wanna keep Ware
05:42I'm
05:43here
05:43can I just say this
05:44this is the truth
05:45I would love to keep Ware
05:48but I'm worried about
05:52how he's gonna be
05:53received by Spoh
05:54for sure
05:55because Spoh just doesn't
05:56especially after that stinker
05:57in the playoffs
05:58right
05:58so
05:59that
06:00that worries me
06:01there was a time
06:02like
06:02there was a time
06:03where you thought
06:04like they both have
06:04their signature games this year
06:05I would say
06:06Jovic
06:07it was the Warriors game
06:08where he's flexing on
06:09Steph Curry
06:09remember when he gave
06:10Steph Curry that work
06:11and then you have
06:13of course
06:14Kalil Ware
06:15who dominated
06:17Victor Wembenyama
06:18dominated him
06:20I love them both
06:22that's great
06:23Leroy just showed me
06:25a picture of Brad Marchand
06:26doing uppies
06:28on Connor McDavid
06:28should we hear from
06:30a little whiny baby
06:31Leon Dreisaitl
06:32ooh
06:33yeah for sure
06:35you know what
06:35I'll save it for
06:36we'll save it for
06:37rats off a ship
06:38because he's saying
06:39he's
06:39he's
06:40can I have an
06:43excuse him
06:44sure is
06:45see
06:45it's hard
06:46dude
06:46I'm telling you
06:47the hardest thing
06:49in sports to do
06:50right
06:51now look
06:52you watch six games
06:54there is no question
06:56in my mind
06:58that the Florida Panthers
06:59were better than
07:00the Edmonton Warriors
07:01no doubt
07:03right
07:04so
07:06anything that comes
07:07after that
07:08is gonna be
07:10the excuse
07:10machine
07:11right
07:12because
07:13in the end
07:14you were not
07:15better than
07:16the Florida Panthers
07:17it's hard
07:18for fans
07:19it's hard
07:20for players
07:21it's hard
07:22for competitors
07:22to admit
07:24that
07:24but we know
07:26the truth
07:26tears says
07:27how old is
07:27Jovic now
07:28he just turned
07:2922 like a week
07:30ago
07:30right
07:31I
07:33I get it
07:35see
07:39see
07:40like
07:40the tough
07:40Jovic works
07:41better
07:42in what
07:44the Heat
07:45like to do
07:46with the
07:47point forward
07:48a number of
07:49different guys
07:49bringing it up
07:50giving
07:51Tyler an
07:54opportunity to
07:54play off
07:55the ball
07:55which is
07:56probably his
07:56better
07:57position
07:58right
07:59so
07:59I just
08:00think he's
08:00the best
08:00playmaker
08:01on the
08:01team
08:01Jovic
08:02yeah
08:03right
08:04so
08:04but
08:04but again
08:05but this
08:07team
08:07why
08:08why a
08:08610 guy
08:09is our
08:10best
08:10lob thrower
08:10I don't
08:11know
08:11but
08:11but here's
08:12the
08:12here's
08:12the problem
08:13with all
08:14this
08:14when we
08:15start facing
08:16all these
08:16teams in
08:17the east
08:17you need
08:18a big
08:18yeah
08:19what if
08:20we have
08:20three
08:21what do
08:21you mean
08:22all of
08:22them
08:22just all
08:22together
08:23bam
08:24bam
08:25Jovic
08:26where
08:27tall time
08:28is calling
08:30him
08:30too much
08:32if you
08:32put bam
08:33at center
08:33you're
08:34moving him
08:34backwards
08:34why
08:35the guy
08:36just went
08:37he carried
08:38the knicks
08:39to relevancy
08:39uh-huh
08:40you can't
08:40say that
08:41this but
08:41at one
08:42time was
08:42thought not
08:42relevant you
08:43realized he
08:43was not
08:44drafted by
08:44the knicks
08:45correct
08:45he was a
08:46he was an
08:47afterthought
08:47on the
08:48maverick
08:48he was a
08:48maverick
08:48yep
08:49part of that
08:51conspiracy
08:51if you ask
08:52me
08:52these mavericks
08:54are trading
08:54their key pieces
08:55chase says
08:57what are you
08:57smoking
08:58that's what
09:00I'm saying
09:00I don't
09:02know
09:02like I
09:03don't want
09:03to
09:03I don't
09:03want
09:04offseason
09:04fumes
09:05I don't
09:05I don't
09:06want it
09:06I don't
09:08want it
09:08to like
09:09I'm just
09:10trying to
09:10get to
09:12the reality
09:12of where
09:14we are
09:14and that
09:16is
09:16that
09:18if you
09:19trade for
09:20anybody
09:20substantial
09:21you may
09:22have to
09:23give one
09:23of those
09:23guys up
09:24and
09:26and I
09:26would
09:26say
09:27that
09:27you
09:31have
09:31to
09:31come
09:32you
09:35that's
09:36going to
09:36be a
09:36part of
09:36your
09:36reality
09:37so
09:37let's
09:38have
09:38the
09:38conversation
09:38now
09:39versus
09:39later
09:39um
09:41I think
09:42this was
09:42cordial
09:42I liked
09:43it
09:43no it
09:43wasn't
09:43I think
09:44it was
09:44cordial
09:44you always
09:45have
09:45why
09:46why
09:46can't
09:47have
09:47a
09:47serious
09:47conversation
09:48with you
09:48we did
09:49we had
09:49a great
09:49basketball
09:49conversation
09:50no we
09:50did
09:50why
09:51no
09:52because
09:52I
09:52went
09:52too
09:52far
09:53you
09:54always
09:54go
09:54too
09:54far
09:55can't
09:56have
09:56that's
09:56why
09:56like
09:57I say
09:57hey
09:57that's
09:58what
09:58people
09:58wonder
09:58why
09:59I say
09:59I'm
09:59not
09:59comparing
09:59them
09:59as
10:00players
10:00when
10:00I
10:01say
10:01can
10:01I
10:01ask
10:02you
10:02a
10:02question
10:02I
10:03say
10:03that
10:03in
10:04hopes
10:04of
10:05turning
10:05off
10:06the
10:08machine
10:09and
10:10having
10:10a
10:10real
10:11conversation
10:11so
10:11that's
10:11like
10:12okay
10:12let's
10:13reset
10:13refocus
10:14on
10:15this
10:15like
10:16Bob
10:16yeah
10:17but no
10:17you
10:18don't
10:19it's
10:19like
10:19looney
10:20tunes
10:20with
10:20you
10:20yo
10:21bitch
10:21for
10:21MIP
10:21who
10:24else
10:25MIP
10:25most
10:25important
10:26player
10:26oh
10:27I
10:28mean
10:28I
10:30mean
10:30I
10:30would
10:30like
10:31rare
10:31for
10:31PT
10:32playing
10:33time
10:33because
10:34like
10:34he's
10:35so
10:35Spoh
10:37is
10:37like
10:38I've
10:39never
10:39met
10:39a guy
10:40who
10:40doesn't
10:40say
10:40anything
10:41committed
10:42to
10:42the
10:42the
10:43grind
10:43and
10:45Spoh
10:45gets fed
10:45up
10:46with him
10:46so
10:46quickly
10:46that's
10:47true
10:47but
10:48not
10:49Jovich
10:49no
10:50he was
10:50hard
10:51on
10:51Jovich
10:52first
10:52two
10:52years
10:52I
10:53mean
10:53he
10:53sent
10:53his ass
10:53to
10:53the
10:53G
10:54league
10:54you
10:54know
10:54for
10:55a
10:55day
10:56remember
10:56no
10:56they
10:56sent
10:57his
10:57ass
10:57to
10:57the
10:57G
10:57league
10:57and
10:58they're
10:58like
10:58he's
10:58like
10:58you
10:58can
10:59go
10:59try
10:59to
10:59be
10:59a
10:59five
11:00and
11:00then
11:00Jimmy
11:01was
11:01like
11:01he's
11:01not
11:01a
11:01five
11:02don't
11:02do
11:02that
11:02but
11:02again
11:03is
11:04that
11:04not
11:04bad
11:05coaching
11:05that
11:06you
11:06have
11:07a
11:07guy
11:07that
11:07has
11:07this
11:08skill
11:09set
11:09it's
11:09not
11:09good
11:10coaching
11:10it's
11:11not
11:11you
11:11have
11:11this
11:12guy
11:12with
11:12this
11:12skill
11:12set
11:13and
11:13you're
11:14saying
11:14go
11:14to
11:15the
11:15G
11:15league
11:15and
11:16try
11:16to
11:16play
11:16well
11:16it's
11:16like
11:16Eric
11:17Spolstra
11:17says
11:18you
11:18know
11:18he
11:19says
11:19the
11:19old
11:20Spoh
11:20is
11:21make
11:22me
11:22watch
11:22you
11:22make
11:23me
11:23play
11:24you
11:24or
11:25how
11:25about
11:25you
11:25say
11:25to
11:26Spoh
11:26hey
11:27how
11:30about
11:30you
11:30play
11:31me
11:31at
11:31my
11:31position
11:32sounds
11:33like
11:33you
11:33got
11:34a
11:34bone
11:34to
11:34pick
11:34I
11:34don't
11:34know
11:34I
11:35don't
11:35have
11:35a
11:35bone
11:35to
11:36pick
11:36I'm
11:36just
11:36saying
11:36wait
11:38yo
11:39is
11:39not
11:39a
11:39five
11:40and
11:40neither
11:42is
11:42neither
11:42is
11:43bam
11:43yeah
11:43well
11:44I'm
11:44disagreeing
11:47but you
11:48can't
11:49start
11:49the
11:49game
11:49off
11:49with
11:50bam
11:50as
11:50a
11:50five
11:50with
11:51all
11:51the
11:51work
11:51that
11:52he
11:52put
11:52in
11:52and
11:53all
11:53of
11:53the
11:54ways
11:54that
11:54his
11:55game
11:55is
11:55expanded
11:56and
11:56he
11:56gonna
11:56throw
11:57him
11:57in
11:57the
11:57five
11:57and
11:58put
11:58him
11:58in
11:58the
11:58paint
11:59it
11:59says
12:00that
12:00bone
12:00to
12:00pick
12:00is
12:00under
12:01Leroy's
12:01car
12:01seat
12:01nah
12:02I

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