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The Jeremy Kyle Show- 25th July 2018
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00:10On today's show, Martin's your son, 22. He was with Kerry. I never liked Kerry. She looks down and knows at people.
00:18Do you think she's better than anybody else?
00:20There is a story that I just, I've got to say as a father, this, I don't even want to have an opinion.
00:27She took her kid at one o'clock in the morning in a boy racer's car without a seatbelt and the kid broke its leg.
00:36Yes.
00:36How many times did she visit her child?
00:39Maybe three times.
00:42Now, they're split. She won't let him see the kid and he's saying he's a drug taker and a rubbish father. I don't get this at all.
00:49You're an abadab!
00:50What are you going to do, not be in quality?
00:54Let me see what the world!
00:57She was there with her laptop, okay? I suppose only to you at the back door, the laptop was open.
01:03You've believed that during the chemo, during those terribly dark months, that she was cheating.
01:08Since the start of your relationship with Neil, apart from the occasions in which he was present in your house,
01:13have you passionately kissed anyone else? You said no. Why did you say no?
01:16APPLAUSE
01:18Good morning, guys.
01:32Good morning.
01:33Good morning.
01:34Hello, friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:39Now, my first guest today, Donna, is here to demand that her son, Martin's ex-partner, in her words, stops playing God with his daughter.
01:46She says, bad mum Kerry is keeping them both from the child out of spite, and she will not allow it anymore.
01:52She says that Kerry also claims that Martin is 100% the father to her other four-month-old child, but refuses to let him near her.
01:59She says over her dead body will she be pushed out anymore, and will be meeting that baby if Martin is the dad.
02:04Big, big day for this lady. Donna's on the Jeremy Kyle show, that way.
02:09APPLAUSE
02:10Now, this is, by anybody's standards, and I just want to say, before we start this, there are so many different layers to this,
02:24and I ain't passing judgement at all. I know exactly what I think, but I want to hear the story.
02:30Martin's your son, 22. He was with Kerry. How long were they together for?
02:34Two and a half, three years.
02:38Two children.
02:39Two children, yes.
02:40The eldest is?
02:42Four now.
02:43Four. The youngest, four months.
02:45Yes.
02:46I never like Kerry. She looks down her nose at people.
02:50She thinks she's better than anybody else.
02:52Living my house rent-free.
02:54Treated it like a hotel, you told my team.
02:56Yes, she did.
02:58Didn't cook?
02:59Didn't cook, didn't clear up after herself, didn't do her washing.
03:01I just had a gap full.
03:07I had to throw her out, throw them both out as soon as she got pregnant.
03:11Was that difficult?
03:13Yeah, because my son.
03:14People watching this will go, you threw your son's girlfriend out when she was pregnant.
03:19That's a big thing to do.
03:20I couldn't do nothing else.
03:23I couldn't cope with that.
03:24And we were overcrowded.
03:26There is a story that I just, I've got to say as a father, this, I don't even want to have an opinion.
03:33So they split up, right?
03:34They had shared time.
03:35This is a guy who'd done everything, no qualms about him being a father.
03:39I want you to bear that in mind, because what will happen today is people will come out and will say things.
03:43This girl, as I understand it, decided to go out at 1am in the morning with some friends,
03:53young man who was driving a car, sit in the back with her baby, her grandchild, without a seatbelt.
04:01Tell her what happened.
04:02There was four adults and two children in the car.
04:08What happened to Kerry?
04:09She ended up with a broken leg.
04:10What happened to your granddaughter?
04:13She ended up with a fractured leg.
04:15She was on traction for three months.
04:17She could not move.
04:19What is that like as a grandma?
04:22Sorry.
04:22No, no, no.
04:23I didn't think I was going to do this.
04:25I'm so sorry.
04:25I raged this morning when I read this, because we're going to get, is this, is that.
04:30She took her kid at 1 o'clock in the morning, in a boy racer's car, without a seatbelt, and the kid broke its leg.
04:38Yes, knew, but it shouldn't have happened, and she turned around to, and said.
04:43Car seat?
04:44No, car seat.
04:45She was on her lap.
04:46She didn't even have a seatbelt on.
04:48Gets worse.
04:49No seatbelt.
04:51And this boy that she's going to slag off, her son, gets custody for a whole year.
04:56This lady, despite the problems she talked about housing-wise, and the kid, the boy, bring up this child for a year.
05:04They feed the, clothe it, they look after the child.
05:06In that year, how many times did she visit her child?
05:10Maybe three times.
05:11Oh, my God.
05:13It gets worse.
05:15Then, because your son is completely in love with her still.
05:19Goes back.
05:20Goes back.
05:21Ready for this?
05:21Yes, but she's ruled him in, because-
05:24Social services have said the father should have the kid.
05:27Now, they're split.
05:29She won't let him see the kid, and he's saying he's a drug taker and a rubbish father.
05:33I don't get this at all.
05:34Oh, my God.
05:35He was a drug addict.
05:36He's clean.
05:37He's been clean for 70 days.
05:4074.
05:40Sorry.
05:41Sorry.
05:4274.
05:42You guys-
05:43He should have been clean a lot sooner.
05:45He was clean when he left.
05:46He'd done it off his own back, and he went away for four weeks, and he ended up being clean.
05:53Talk about-
05:54I'm going to-
05:56I've always been really honest.
05:58I'm going to tell you he should have done that before he had kids, but I accept what you're saying.
06:01Yes, you should.
06:01Here's the other thing.
06:02There's a four-month-old child.
06:04But he was in a bad way, and the reason why he went back with Kerry and left the little girl with Kerry is because he was in a bad place at a wrong time.
06:15Can I ask you a question?
06:16The youngest child, four months of age, why is there some doubt that that's Martin's?
06:20The baby was due the 22nd-
06:23The baby was born the 22nd of June, December.
06:27She phoned me on Christmas Day.
06:29Oh, no.
06:33First time I've seen her.
06:35Sorry.
06:36First time you've seen-
06:37First time I've seen her.
06:38So she stopped you and him from seeing this child, and what about the four-year-old?
06:43Has he stopped from seeing the four-year-old as well?
06:44Yeah, I'm not even allowed to ring the house.
06:46When was the last time he saw his daughter?
06:48A daughter he looked after for a year?
06:50Two weeks ago.
06:51Two weeks ago.
06:52Oh, bless him.
06:54Oh, my God.
06:55I'm going to have to apologise, and I'm going to have to really calm myself down here.
07:01She plays games.
07:02She stops access.
07:03She writes horrible things on Facebook.
07:05She will not let him-
07:06Facebook. Excuse my language.
07:07She will not-
07:08Facebook is horrible.
07:11She will not let-
07:12And she's smiling.
07:13Yeah.
07:13I'm obviously going to miss the whole point.
07:15Kerry's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
07:23Are you surprised?
07:25I'm not bothered.
07:26I've got my kids at the end of the day.
07:27Not for long.
07:32So she'll have told me-
07:33No!
07:34You aren't fit, mother!
07:36You didn't have a damn!
07:38What are you going to do?
07:39Not being funny?
07:41Well, you can't say that, love, because that's not going to help, is it?
07:45Come back with this.
07:46Please.
07:46Can you answer, then, because you look like you don't seem to understand?
07:51I'm going to do this like we're in a court of law.
07:54You're with Martin, yeah?
07:55Yeah.
07:56And you split up.
07:57Why did you split up?
07:57Because he was cheating on me, and slept with someone that he shouldn't have.
08:01Do you think, as a young mother, whatever the pressures, it's wise to get into a car at one o'clock in the morning with your young child?
08:07It was 12am.
08:08I don't care what time it was.
08:09Do you think it was a good idea?
08:12No.
08:13And you didn't have a car seat?
08:15No.
08:16And you put the child on your...
08:17So answer me.
08:18As a mother, why would you do that?
08:20Because we were only meant to go around, like, a little bit.
08:22Why would you do that as a mother?
08:24Because I was trying to calm her down, like, any other parents.
08:25You're a disgrace as a mother.
08:27A disgrace.
08:30Oh, yeah, I know.
08:31Oh, yeah.
08:32Tucky is anything you are, aren't you?
08:33So your kid is in an accident and breaks its leg.
08:37You put that child in danger.
08:39Explain to me, as a mother, a minute, not her,
08:42how does that make you feel?
08:43It made me feel...
08:44Did you feel guilty?
08:47Obviously.
08:47Do you still feel guilty?
08:49Well, obviously, but I get to look at her every day.
08:51And social...
08:51Don't even go there, love, because I'm so with the mother.
08:53You shouldn't be allowed near her.
08:54So social services, give her to Martin for a year.
08:58See, in all this stuff you've said to my team,
09:00Martin's a cheat, he's a drug taker, he's this, he's that.
09:03Why did you allow your child to be with the man you describe
09:08as somebody who shouldn't now see his kids?
09:10Why did you let him bring her up for a year?
09:12Come on, answer the question.
09:13He barely had her.
09:14What?
09:15He barely had her.
09:15He had a new girlfriend, moved in with her, moved out with them.
09:19Before he met this new girl, he was living with me, Kerry.
09:23For about a week or two.
09:24No, it wasn't.
09:24Because you phoned them and got them into debt.
09:27No, I didn't.
09:27And they nearly got them done.
09:28I got them into debt.
09:30Who's all set?
09:31Why are you not letting a man see his child?
09:33Why won't you let me see her?
09:35What do you mean, he sees her?
09:36He sees her every other weekend.
09:37What about this woman?
09:38For two hours.
09:40I'm not even allowed to see her.
09:41He hasn't asked to see her.
09:42I'm not even allowed to bring you a house.
09:44No, because I don't live there.
09:45She hasn't ever met your father.
09:47Who's the father of your four-month-old?
09:50Him.
09:50Why is she not allowed to see the child, then?
09:52Because he doesn't see her.
09:53Yeah, and he's proved to be a fit parent.
09:55He's proven it!
09:56Sorry, Colosha!
09:58Sorry, sorry, sorry.
09:59Do you?
10:00I don't know whether you've got...
10:01You're an unfit mother!
10:02How can you possibly think that being...
10:05You've sat there and said he's not a fit father, right?
10:08You're a fit lover!
10:09I'm going to do this really...
10:11You threw a chair at your children.
10:13Across the room...
10:13You put your child in a car and had its legs broken with her!
10:17Oh, God!
10:19Excuse me, answer the question.
10:22You put that child in danger.
10:24How can you sit there and say he is an unfit father?
10:27You are an unfit mother.
10:28And do you know what I don't understand?
10:30Whether you did it round him or not.
10:32Should never have let you get them back!
10:34How can anybody say that?
10:36You don't have a break.
10:37I'm right back.
10:38You didn't tell me when the baby was born.
10:40I was actually...
10:40I found out.
10:41I was told.
10:42I've gone back for about an hour.
10:44You've not put me on the Mercedes car.
10:46I have no brain here.
10:47He can have access once he's what?
10:49Proven to be stable.
10:50He turned up.
10:51Do you need to find out who is the father of the baby?
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11:31I have to say, for the very first time in 11 years,
11:35I don't...
11:35I actually don't know what to say.
11:37You...
11:37No emotion at all.
11:38And you're sitting there and you're saying that he's unfit.
11:42Go on.
11:42Explain to everybody how you justify that as a mother.
11:45Because it's all been dealt with.
11:48Does it matter?
11:48It's been dealt with?
11:49You've still done it.
11:51You've still put that child at risk.
11:55No...
11:56And...
11:56Lambs?
11:57Would you do it?
11:58No.
11:59So why did you do it?
12:01Because I was stupid.
12:02Just because you couldn't go to sleep?
12:03You were what?
12:04Because I was stupid and I had a lot on my mind.
12:06Like, obviously it's not...
12:07What do you do?
12:08I'll tell you...
12:09You had a lot on your mind, so you put a child in danger.
12:12There are people watching this, you selfish woman.
12:15No one's not on the streets.
12:16Who would actually...
12:16Are you joking?
12:18You think people don't have a lot on their mind?
12:19Excuse me for sounding particularly unfair.
12:22If you can't handle it right, don't have kids, love.
12:25Don't put them in danger.
12:28Unbelievable.
12:28And now, because you've wheedled your way back in with him, got him back, got the kids,
12:35thrown him out, you don't want to know him.
12:37You don't even want to...
12:38Let me do this really clearly.
12:39Hold on.
12:39You know you called him a druggie?
12:41Yeah.
12:41We did a drugs test.
12:42No, hold on.
12:42Completely clear love.
12:44I said he was.
12:46I said he was.
12:49Do you want to know something before I bring him out?
12:52I would stand in court and say that you shouldn't be allowed near that kid because I think it's disgusting.
12:56Martin is on the Jeremy Diary Club.
13:07Apparently you're an unfit father but the mother's fit.
13:10You destroyed me, Kerry.
13:12And after I'd done that, I'd still let you see him.
13:15No, you didn't.
13:16Yes, you did.
13:17Let him speak.
13:18I'd still let you see the older one.
13:21Until I had enough of your family all around me, I needed my family.
13:26So I left.
13:28And now you're being like this.
13:29I get to see my daughter two hours.
13:31I thought, like, two hours and I've got to travel 45 minutes to get there.
13:36Why?
13:37Answer the question.
13:38Have you ever asked for longer?
13:39Of course.
13:40Have you asked for longer?
13:41You've been there.
13:43You don't like...
13:44Should I go take both my children?
13:47Why shouldn't you?
13:47Why should he have to travel all the time?
13:49You're both parents!
13:51You've both got two children together!
13:55Do you have any remorse at all?
13:57You look...
13:57I'm sorry, and I know the audience agree with me.
14:00You sit there...
14:00It's so beautiful.
14:01I'm a second.
14:01Donna, Donna.
14:02She looks just like him, so how can you say it's not his?
14:04No, no, no, let's go back to it.
14:06Do you have any remorse?
14:07Obviously I do.
14:08Then why do you sit there looking like, as smug as anything, like it doesn't even resonate in your brain?
14:14It's disgusting!
14:15It's disgusting!
14:19Nothing from you, no.
14:20Yeah, obviously.
14:22And then we've got this child.
14:23Why are there DNA doubts?
14:24What's going on here?
14:25She didn't put me on a birth certificate.
14:27She phoned me up Christmas Day and the baby was born three days before Christmas.
14:31Never told me.
14:31Didn't tell me.
14:32Didn't tell me when the baby was born.
14:34Why was that, Kerry?
14:35I found out from someone else.
14:37I'd gone back for about an hour.
14:38She'd obviously gone back for that hour to phone me so I could speak to my older daughter.
14:44Didn't tell me she gave birth three days ago.
14:47And the fact my daughter was in, well, my potential daughter was in intensive care for three days.
14:52Well, seven days.
14:53Didn't even know.
14:55And I had to find out from a third party that's saying congratulations, you're a father again.
15:00Your mum's, your mum's never seen that child.
15:03Never met that child.
15:05How does that make you feel?
15:06Disgusted.
15:09She wouldn't like it the other way around.
15:11You, you, you, you, you, actually, I don't get you.
15:14You're like an ice maiden.
15:16Who do you think you are?
15:17Seriously.
15:19Start talking, lady.
15:21What do you mean?
15:21Do you think she's banning everybody else?
15:24No, I don't.
15:24Yes, you do.
15:25No, I don't.
15:25Kerry, you surely, you surely got more to say.
15:28How long ago, you look down on us.
15:30You look down on us.
15:30When you were meeting up and I was letting you have unsatisfied visits, Lexi was excited to go to the cinema with you this weekend.
15:36Yeah, I'm well that happy to go to see her tomorrow.
15:39I bet that's all going to change, though, isn't it?
15:41I was so looking forward.
15:42Fair enough.
15:43I phoned this show before I went to rehab.
15:45I took myself to a rehabilitation centre 200 miles away from home.
15:50It's taken you five years to do that.
15:52Lexi done it!
16:01You're talking about somebody changing and paying for their mistakes, right?
16:06Yeah.
16:06Explain to me and this audience how you've paid for your horrendous mistake.
16:12I'm still paying for it now.
16:13I think you should have paid for it because I would be slightly concerned about leaving you with two children if you think going out boy racing late at night.
16:21I mean, have you done the same with a four-month-old or have you learnt your lesson?
16:24I don't go out with my kids anymore.
16:25Really?
16:26I stay at my partner's, that's about it.
16:27Oh, you've got a new partner.
16:28What's he playing dad, is he?
16:29No.
16:30Really?
16:30Let's get Corey on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
16:38He's not coming out.
16:39I've told him he's not coming on.
16:40It's got nothing to do with him.
16:41Why have you got him here, then?
16:43This is true.
16:44Let me get this right.
16:45It's got nothing to do with him.
16:45Does he live in your house and see his kids?
16:48He doesn't live with me, no.
16:49No, but he sees...
16:50Oh, look.
16:50What is he?
16:51Oh, the hood's up, is it?
16:52Because it's got nothing to do with him.
16:53It's a television show, you donut.
16:55You're going to be seen, aren't you?
16:56Why should he be dragged into it when it's got nothing to do with him?
16:59Well, she's got a point.
17:00It's got nothing to do with him.
17:00Seriously, what...
17:01Why should...
17:01What is it about, then, Kerry?
17:03Go on.
17:03What is it about?
17:04He can have access to my children once he's been...
17:06Hold on.
17:07He can have access once he's what?
17:15Proven to be stable.
17:15He turned up.
17:16I would want...
17:17You're stable!
17:17You're a stable member!
17:20I would want...
17:20You win!
17:21Chance after chance, Martin, did I give you a chance?
17:24Did I tell you to come to see Lexus?
17:26Who could do the right to say this?
17:28Why can't you let me see Alyssa?
17:31Why didn't he wait in the rain for two hours with Lexus crying to me?
17:34Well, I was...
17:36That was a while ago.
17:37That was...
17:37I was on drugs, Kerry.
17:39I took myself to rehab.
17:41Do you not understand how hard that was for me?
17:43Can I ask you a question?
17:45He's done it.
17:45He's present himself.
17:46He's done the rock.
17:47Donna, can I ask your son a question which you might not like?
17:49There's a reason for doing it this way, Martin.
17:52When you had that child for the year, she said you were never around.
17:55It was your latest girlfriend and you were off your face on drugs the whole time.
17:59Why didn't you go to rehab when you had your young daughter for a year and get yourself sorted?
18:03I've got to ask the question.
18:04Because I never felt it was a problem.
18:07I didn't feel like it was a problem.
18:08I didn't feel like it was affecting me.
18:10Until I lost my daughter, bam, I knew what was going on then.
18:14It's always the same you don't realise what you've had.
18:17I don't get how you can morally...
18:18Until you've lost it.
18:18I don't know how you can sit there and go,
18:21you can see your kid when you've proven yourself.
18:24You have not proven yourself as a mother in any way.
18:28You're not that every day, though.
18:30That's the difference.
18:31I'm telling you, I'm sorry if you don't like this
18:33and I'm sorry if certain people watching this disagree with me.
18:35If I was him, I would have been in court
18:37and I would have left no stone unturned to get full custody and make damn sure
18:42the only time you saw either of those kids
18:44was when there was control around you
18:46because I wouldn't have trusted you.
18:48and now you're doing it to him.
18:50What right, Kerry?
18:51What right?
18:52So should have told me that I have the right.
18:54You should have done it.
18:54I did.
18:55When it happened.
18:56Unbelievable.
18:57Don't understand.
19:01Apparently your boyfriend who doesn't want to be here.
19:02I've got to go backstage.
19:04How long you been with him?
19:05Like a month, but I've known him for three...
19:07A month?
19:07I've known him for three years.
19:09A month.
19:15Unbelievable.
19:16Why are we talking to a bloke who's been here a month?
19:19Because you know the only thing I'm going to ask him.
19:22How are you?
19:23I'll ask you a question.
19:24Yeah.
19:25Have you looked after those kids in the month you've been with her?
19:27Yeah, I have, yeah.
19:29Disgraceful.
19:29How can you be with a woman who put a kid in a car and broke both of its legs?
19:33That was an accident.
19:34That can't be held on her head no longer.
19:36From the past, what happened, she was amazing.
19:38From everything, she's completely different.
19:41Right.
19:42But he's apparently not changed.
19:44And he, according to her, is...
19:45I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to him.
19:47Go on.
19:47I don't know nothing really about him.
19:49All right.
19:50He seems a reasonable young man.
19:52If a woman that you had a child with...
19:54Yeah.
19:54...did that with a baby in a car, what would you think?
19:57Well, obviously it would hurt him, but...
20:00She's changed now.
20:01That's what everybody...
20:02So you let a man you've only known a month look after your kids...
20:05I've known her for like three years.
20:08But you've introduced the kids to him, yeah?
20:10Yeah.
20:10You know nothing about him.
20:11He could be anybody or anything.
20:12I've known her for like three years, over three years.
20:14He can't see them, and he can.
20:16That's not right.
20:16He sees his child.
20:17What?
20:18What's Fortnite?
20:19For two hours?
20:21He's allowed to see...
20:22No!
20:22He's allowed to see...
20:23Oh, he's running off.
20:23No way!
20:24You want to wise up, mate, and see her for what she is.
20:26He sees me.
20:28Go back!
20:28Most days with my kids.
20:30Go back!
20:31He doesn't.
20:32He's a dad.
20:32Not him.
20:34He's not trying to be a dad.
20:35He's got nothing to do with them, Gary.
20:37He is.
20:38He is.
20:38He is.
20:38He is.
20:38Why are you stopping it?
20:41Why?
20:42Because of what...
20:43What's wrong?
20:43We don't have...
20:44What haven't you done?
20:45I'm just going to stay out of the journey around.
20:48Let me try it this way.
20:50You say that you don't think he's fit to be a father.
20:54I never said that.
20:55You said...
20:56Did I or did we not have...
20:57You said I need to prove myself, but what...
20:59He's been able to show up for Lexis.
21:02Two times.
21:03He's not proven it.
21:04I need to be able to know that you're going to show up,
21:06and I'm not going to have a little girl crying at me
21:08because you ain't going to say that.
21:10Put it on, girl.
21:12You...
21:12I would destroy...
21:14I was there.
21:15You don't understand.
21:16I was there.
21:17Don't be on, mate.
21:18Don't be on.
21:19Simple as that.
21:21What did I...
21:21What do you think I went through?
21:23Nearly three years ago, Kerry.
21:24And I still give you the benefit of the doubt.
21:27Did you barely look off...
21:28Your mum turned around to me and said
21:31you couldn't have...
21:32I was working.
21:33I couldn't.
21:34You were barely working.
21:35I was working.
21:35Can we do also the other part of this story,
21:38which is the DNA.
21:39Why am I doing a DNA on the four-month-up?
21:41She didn't...
21:42She says.
21:42She didn't...
21:43Yeah, it might look like...
21:44Have I ever turned around to you and said
21:46she is not yours?
21:47Why not put me on the verge?
21:49No, I didn't say that.
21:51I didn't say that to any of the team.
21:54You have not put me on the verge.
21:55It is good.
21:56I have no...
21:57What did you say about our child?
21:59We didn't even know she was born, Sherry.
22:01Can I say something?
22:02What did you say?
22:02I was pregnant.
22:03I said I didn't want to have a baby with you.
22:04What is the reason...
22:05Well, then put something on the end of it, then.
22:06What is the reason that I didn't tell you that she was...
22:09What did you say?
22:10I don't care about that child.
22:11She has nothing to do with me.
22:13Can I...
22:13Can I go to a break?
22:14Can I say something to you both?
22:16We're going to do the DNA of the four-month-old.
22:17Can I tell you something?
22:18I've actually...
22:19Graham's dead right what you just said to me.
22:21Right?
22:21You're not the victim in this.
22:22And you're not the victim in this.
22:24Obviously, I...
22:24The victim in this.
22:25Yeah.
22:26Which is the reason...
22:26The four-year-old who had that injury and a four-month-old that potentially hasn't seen
22:30a dad.
22:31Back with DNA next.
22:32Don't go anywhere.
22:33This is the four-month-old, the DNA test results show that marks him.
22:38You believe that during the chemo, during those terribly dark moments, that she was cheating?
22:43Yes.
22:44Since the start of your relationship with Neil, apart from the occasions in which he was present
22:49in your house, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
22:51She said no.
22:52Why did you say no?
22:56So, welcome back.
23:04You just said during the ad break he can't see his daughter.
23:07Why?
23:07No, I'm not taking him up.
23:08I've gone from step one the whole time I've been here.
23:11The only reason I bought her is because you need the DNA results.
23:13Can you give me calmly one reason why he can't see his daughter?
23:17Because I try and treat him to a child that doesn't know who he is when he can barely prove
23:21himself to a four-year-old that sits there crying because he doesn't turn up.
23:25Is she a dumb four-year-old?
23:26She's a four-year-old, don't care.
23:27Wait a minute.
23:28Is she a dumb four-year-old?
23:31This is the four-month-old.
23:32The DNA test results show that, Martin, you are the child's biological father.
23:37So, right now, can I go and see her?
23:39No, I'm not taking her.
23:39Yes, you are.
23:40No, I'm not.
23:40You can't start that.
23:42You're not allowed.
23:42Yes, you are.
23:43No, I'm not.
23:43Don't you dare stop me.
23:45Just stop shouting a minute.
23:46I don't understand how this bloke is being victimized by you.
23:52How is he being victimized?
23:53I don't understand.
23:53I'm not going to her.
23:55I'm not going to her.
23:56Can we see her, please?
23:57Maybe.
23:58I know you made mistakes, but you can turn this around.
24:01Give me one good reason.
24:02Because I'm not taking him.
24:04It's simple as that.
24:05I'm not taking him there to do it.
24:06Why?
24:07Because I'm not.
24:08I've looked after her for four months.
24:10This is a woman who's never seen a four-month-old grandchild and a man.
24:13Look at me.
24:14Give me a chance.
24:14Stop shouting.
24:15A man?
24:15Just because you come here, it doesn't change anything.
24:18We're still going the same way that we went.
24:20What's that?
24:21The fact that he can see her for longer if he wants to.
24:24Why can't he see the other one?
24:25Because he needs to be, he needs to make sure that he proves, like, stays there every other
24:31week.
24:31So you will not let this woman see her grandchild and you, and I have to say something and I'm
24:35not, I'm just going to, do you know what?
24:36I've made 2,600 shows and I'm going to be completely honest, I have never in my life
24:41met anybody like you.
24:42I don't know where you get your front from.
24:44Because everyone else gets manipulated into feeling sorry for them and I don't feel sorry
24:48for him or you.
24:49I feel sorry for the child.
24:50And I don't think you have a right to play God without child's life.
24:54I'm not.
24:54But he's not growing up.
24:55I'm not a bonchild.
24:56Can you wait?
24:58Yeah.
24:58Yeah, he's seeing her.
25:00He's not growing up.
25:00Yes, he is.
25:03Have you got a conscience?
25:05Yes, I do.
25:05But he's not growing up there.
25:06I think half of your problem is you can't handle your guilt.
25:09Martin, come here.
25:10Come here.
25:11Do you think this is fair to me?
25:13No, but he's not growing up.
25:14That's proof that's my daughter.
25:16Yeah.
25:17I'm clean.
25:18There's a drugs test.
25:19I'm clean.
25:19So what else do I need to prove that I can be a dad?
25:22No, but I said to you the whole time.
25:23How do you think that's fair?
25:25How did you feel?
25:26Very calm way.
25:27How did you feel when you were denied access to your daughter?
25:30Okay.
25:31That's how he feels.
25:32Yeah.
25:32And it's about, it's about that.
25:34It's about you trying to understand how he feels being denied access to his daughters.
25:39I'm still not doing it.
25:41I'm still not doing it.
25:42I'm not.
25:45It's because of lack of...
25:46I'm not being manipulated into someone going...
25:47No, no, no, no.
25:48Listen, darling, nobody can make you do anything, but I'll tell you something.
25:52You've got no conscience.
25:53I'm going to give him every bit of support.
25:55I'm done with even speaking because I actually cannot believe the front of you.
25:59I'm still not going up.
26:00Let's see her.
26:01Come with me.
26:03Absolutely outrageous.
26:05And I...
26:05Come on, me, then.
26:06No, no, listen.
26:07Listen.
26:07What?
26:08I'm going to tell you a little bit of advice now.
26:10When you shout and scream, right, listen to me, you give her ammunition.
26:15And we can't go against somebody's wishes.
26:19It's not for us.
26:20We will, I promise you, Martin, listen to me.
26:22If the remit of this show is that people can change their lives, and you've done that,
26:26you've ticked every box, we are going to help you.
26:29We are going to help you go around the right way to achieve what you undoubtedly deserve,
26:34but if you give her any ammunition, I can't even say the word, then it will go against you.
26:39OK.
26:41I have to say, I've done many stories.
26:43I've never been as angry as I am.
26:45Thank you so much.
26:45Make sure you listen to these people, OK?
26:48Yes, we'll do.
26:48Oi, we'll be all right.
26:50Give them a round of applause.
26:59I genuinely have to say that I don't think I've ever met anybody like that.
27:03It's like an ice maiden.
27:05You're playing God with your child's life, and he looked after them for a year because
27:08of what you did.
27:09Unbelievable.
27:10This show's going to help him, help him get what's rightfully his.
27:13Right, let's continue with our next guest, Neil, who's here, because he needs to find
27:16out once and for all if his partner Natalie's a cheat.
27:18Neil says that for the last few years, that they're six years together, he's had growing
27:22suspicions, and now he is sure she will fail the lie detector test.
27:26He says that there's been way too many signs she's up to no good, and he can't take it
27:29anymore.
27:29He says his mounting concerns have been juggled with trying to deal with a cancer diagnosis
27:34and chemotherapy, and even during treatment, worries that she was cheating.
27:39Massive day for this guy.
27:40My heart goes out to him.
27:41Neil, on the Jeremy Kyle Show, that way.
27:54Blimey.
27:54Um, sit back and relax.
27:56Six years, um, I know you're going through cancer treatment.
28:00Are you still going through chemo?
28:01No, I'm just waiting for my results now, so I'm just waiting.
28:04You'll be all right.
28:05Yeah, good.
28:06Um, good luck with that.
28:07Me and Natalie got together six years ago.
28:09Everything was great for the first three years.
28:11Sex life was amazing.
28:12Fantastic.
28:13Absolutely amazing.
28:15LAUGHTER
28:16You're 49, she's 35.
28:19I knew which buttons of hers to push, and she knew which of mine to push.
28:23Life couldn't get better.
28:24Then the doubt started three years ago.
28:26Tell me why.
28:26Tell me how.
28:27Tell me what it was.
28:28Um, it's like silly.
28:30It might seem silly, but it's, you know what I mean, it's like...
28:32No, it's in your gut.
28:33It's in your gut.
28:33Yes, yes, yes, I was not saying to you, I used to come home, I only worked, like, round
28:36the corner, OK, the house is round, so I used to come home, and, unattendedly, come
28:40home for a quick cup of tea, or whatever, like, come in, open the back door, and she'd
28:45be there with her laptop, OK, and as soon as I, she, you know, the back door, the laptop
28:49will go down, OK?
28:52Was she clothed?
28:54Yes.
28:54If she wasn't, I would have been there a bit longer.
28:56I love this, he said, I'd ask her, and she'd go, well, I'm buying your birthday present,
29:01at your Christmas present, you don't bloody well last 365 days a year, doesn't it, Christmas?
29:05So you, just that, phones as well, bits?
29:07Phones, yes, it's like she'd go in the bath for, like, two and a half hours, I don't mind,
29:11but taking the laptop, and then when I knock the door, can I go to the toilet, I'd have
29:15a laptop under the...
29:16So you think she's secretly talking to somebody?
29:19Yes, oh, yes, yes.
29:19Online, or something?
29:20Online, online, with a Snapchat, or whatever you call it.
29:23Get a check, do you ever, did you ever, what's that for?
29:26Did you ever, did, what's that, did you ever look?
29:28I don't know, well, she's, she's good, she's good at,
29:31hiding things on the computers, yeah.
29:33Christmas Day, she went off for an hour and a half, didn't she?
29:35On the toilet.
29:38Who cooked the lunch, because it wasn't great, was it?
29:40I didn't have it.
29:41No?
29:42Nope.
29:42Hour and a half on the toilet, talking to somebody else.
29:44Yeah.
29:45Um, you found phone numbers, text messages, secret Facebook accounts, um, you were diagnosed
29:51with cancer, what sort of cancer, my friend?
29:53Uh, Hodgkin's lymphoma.
29:55Okay, um, and how, how are you now?
29:57I know you've been getting...
29:58I'm better, I am getting there.
30:00It's just, if, well, it's, it's, it was hard, don't get me wrong, it was hard.
30:04For months, nobody could tell me what was the matter with me.
30:06I was going nuts, literally, blood tests, you name it.
30:10Nothing wrong with it, paranoid.
30:11And then, all of a sudden, they said, yeah, you're riddled in cancer.
30:15And I'm like, you what?
30:17And that's what happened.
30:19You've believed that during the chemo, during those terribly dark months, that she was cheating?
30:24Yes.
30:25Have you stopped to think that maybe because of the illness, that's why you're feeling insecure,
30:29or was it before that?
30:30It's before the cancer.
30:31And this exacerbated it.
30:33Yes, yes, she's blaming the cancer, I've changed.
30:35Yes, I have changed.
30:36Don't get me wrong.
30:37Oh, you don't need to tell me about that.
30:38You get cancer, you have chemo, you've changed completely.
30:40That's it, done that.
30:41Absolutely, completely agree.
30:43You've changed everything about your life.
30:44I've actually pushed her, pushed her away.
30:47It's, it's like, look, I didn't want her to see.
30:49She didn't see most of it.
30:50I hid most of it from her.
30:52I was down.
30:52Like in your cave, eh?
30:53Yeah, I was, like, being sick and hid it from her.
30:57I used to clean it up before she even got down in the morning, not to show her.
31:00That's the type of guy I am.
31:01Chemo, yeah?
31:02Yeah, it's like, if I get a cold and I'm laying in bed, I'm coughing all night,
31:06I get up and I sleep downstairs, not to wake her up.
31:09Can you imagine a woman who thinks it's all right where you're going through chemo to go and cheat on you?
31:13No, I don't.
31:15No.
31:16I don't.
31:17I might be, I'm wrong, but I can't see it.
31:20I can't see it, to be honest.
31:21I can't.
31:22Um, if she does fail this today, what happens?
31:25That's a hard question.
31:27I love the girl to pieces, literally.
31:29Would she love you if, while you were having chemo, she was cheating on you?
31:33I know she loves me.
31:35I know she does.
31:37You know, I know.
31:37You're scared of not being with her?
31:39Yes and no, it's different.
31:41But Natalie's...
31:42You're holding on to something and trying to believe it's perfect when it isn't?
31:46Not really, it's like...
31:47Is it an ego thing?
31:48No, it's not.
31:49No, no, no, no.
31:50It's not an ego.
31:51It's like, I met loads of girls.
31:53I was in girls, I was in friends.
31:55Loads of them.
31:56Like a babe magnet, aren't you?
31:58Yes.
31:58That's it, you got it?
31:59Yes, that's it.
32:00Yes, that's it.
32:00Natalie, just instant, it was there.
32:04But you're actually saying, if she fails this lie detector, are you alright with it?
32:07Not alright with it.
32:08We can try and work it out and see what's going on.
32:12I can't really bear it on that thing.
32:14I think you're a great man.
32:14You're an honest man.
32:15That's the way it is.
32:16Natalie's on the Jeremy Carl Show.
32:17That way.
32:26Did you cheat on him when he had chemotherapy?
32:28No.
32:30Did you cheat on him at all?
32:31No.
32:31Why are you on the toilet for an hour and a half or why are you on your laptop?
32:33I won an hour and a half.
32:35It was for about five, ten minutes and I was playing my mouse game.
32:39When we first met, we had the most romantic...
32:40What?
32:43I was playing the mouse game.
32:45When we first met, we had the most romantic relationship.
32:47He worshipped the ground I walked on.
32:49The last few years, things have been awful.
32:51You feel like you're being controlled.
32:52Do you have to show him everything?
32:54Yeah, I do.
32:55I show him my phone bills.
32:56He says he's got a tracker on my phone.
33:00That's not right.
33:01No.
33:02You're usual, Martini, accuses you of sleeping with everybody.
33:05Oh, yeah.
33:05Literally anybody.
33:07Tell him how it makes you feel.
33:09Tell him.
33:10Disgusting.
33:11Horrible.
33:12You say he calls me easy and dirty.
33:15Er, and, erm...
33:17I have...
33:18You tell Martini that, contrary to what you said when you found out
33:23that he had cancer, you were with him all the way.
33:25He says that you were out cheating.
33:26No.
33:28No, I wasn't.
33:29Look how unhappy you look.
33:31Talk to him.
33:33Talk to him.
33:35I wasn't.
33:36OK.
33:37Well, let's prove this test or something.
33:39OK.
33:39Right there.
33:40OK.
33:41Because I'm younger than him, he believes I will run off with a younger man.
33:45I don't want no other man.
33:46I don't want a man at all, sometimes.
33:49Oh, good.
33:50That's another show.
33:51Um, how did the cancer affect you?
33:55Um, it was hard.
33:58Um, I had to watch him being ill.
34:01What's his...
34:01Because he's strong, anyway, he just pushes me away,
34:06which he's done for a long time.
34:09So she's going through that and you're constantly accusing her the whole time?
34:12And also I'm dealing with the finances,
34:14because he didn't have any finances coming through either.
34:16Not for a while, no.
34:18Because I was ill.
34:18This is the last straw today.
34:20You said, I'll prove I haven't cheated.
34:22He's got to change.
34:23You can't take it.
34:24No, he's got to.
34:24Otherwise, I'm...
34:25You can get on my life, because I've had a gutsful.
34:28You're going to pass?
34:29Yeah.
34:31Do those all-important lie detector results, please.
34:33Um, he said you were quite adventurous, you lot.
34:40Enough for me.
34:40You could call it, I am.
34:41What?
34:42Enough for me.
34:42You could call it adventurous.
34:43Yeah.
34:46Before the test, Natalie admitted that she and Neil had engaged in shared sexual experiences with other people.
34:52Yeah.
34:52Now I'm figuring it all out.
34:55Natalie could not be sure of the exact amount of occasions this has happened,
34:58but she stated that Neil had always been present in the house at the time,
35:02and that he had consented and known about each occasion.
35:06That's correct.
35:06So we're talking threesomes?
35:09Sort of, isn't it?
35:10Or you were allowed to have sex with other men while he was watching the telly?
35:16No, sort of experimenting.
35:18And would you have sex with women while she was watching the telly, or was it only men?
35:21No, I wouldn't let him.
35:23Won't let me.
35:24But you let her?
35:24Why'd you let her?
35:25Did she ask, or did you suggest it?
35:26I think.
35:27I just don't know.
35:28It just happened to this, you know?
35:30It wasn't me suggesting it.
35:33That's why you're prepared to forgive her, aren't you?
35:35Because you suggested that you experimented, and because of that you feel insecure,
35:38because you're not sure what she's been up to,
35:40and now you feel guilty about suggesting it in the first place.
35:42Which, in fact, proves my absolute theory over the years
35:45that fantasy should stay in your head,
35:47because the reality is very different.
35:49Since the start of your relationship with Neil,
35:51apart from the occasions in which he was present in your house,
35:54have you passionately kissed anyone else?
35:55You said no.
35:56Why did you say no?
35:57I'd say no.
35:58Tess says you're a liar, love.
36:01Since the start of your relationship with Neil,
36:03apart from the occasions in which he was present in your house,
36:05have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
36:06You said no.
36:07This Tess says you were lying on that question.
36:08Neil started to tell you she's going to do a walk.
36:11They said she failed on every single question.
36:13And you qualified it.
36:14I swear on my son's life.
36:16Well, don't do that, love, because you're a liar, aren't you?
36:18Yes, everything's being done in front of him.
36:20Patently, you're a liar.
36:21Well, no.
36:21You know what?
36:22Whatever.
36:23He knew it, didn't he?
36:24No.
36:24I knew all the time.
36:25He is.
36:25I knew.
36:26100%.
36:26It's all right.
36:27He said he forgave you, love.
36:28You're all right.
36:28No, it doesn't matter.
36:29I don't want him.
36:30You don't want him?
36:31That's why you cheated on him, yeah?
36:32No, I didn't.
36:33I know what you're like.
36:34You're not your sort of woman.
36:35You're going to say I didn't want him anyway.
36:36No, I didn't.
36:37Yeah, dump me.
36:38I don't want you.
36:38I don't want you.
36:38I don't want you.
36:39He's in love with you, you idiot.
36:40No, he's not.
36:41I am.
36:42You're not in love with somebody that he share to have sex with.
36:44Now, I told you.
36:45Do you regret the fact that you did that?
36:47I haven't done nothing.
36:48No, do you regret, come with me, do you regret the fact that you went along with his idea of
36:52having sex with other men?
36:55Shouldn't it?
36:55That's what you regret, isn't it?
36:57You just said it.
36:59No.
36:59She just said, how can you share somebody and love them?
37:01Do you regret, that's what you meant, wasn't it?
37:03Yeah.
37:03Yeah.
37:04Look at me.
37:05Why did you go along with it then?
37:07To please him.
37:09Something happened away from it as well.
37:11No, nothing has happened away.
37:13I swear.
37:14Listen to me, babe.
37:15I haven't done nothing.
37:17Listen to me, babe.
37:17You have access to my phone bills.
37:20You apparently got tracker on my phone, right?
37:22You accuse me constantly.
37:24Nobody has contacted me.
37:27Listen to me.
37:27Oh, do you know what?
37:28Your machine is broke.
37:30Your line was broke.
37:30No, but I did tell you about that.
37:31You're broke.
37:32All right.
37:33Do you know what?
37:34Sorry, what I'm not.
37:34Do you know why he wants to forgive you?
37:36Two days ago.
37:36Hello.
37:36And you're pushed.
37:37Do you know why he wants to forgive you?
37:39Because he blames himself for suggesting it in the first place.
37:42Don't you?
37:43Yeah.
37:43You shouldn't have suggested it in the first place.
37:45No, you didn't.
37:45That's why you cheated on him and he suggested that.
37:49How many times did it happen?
37:51In what, when...
37:52Quite a few.
37:52Oh, that's quite a few, but I've never slept with a girl.
37:55With her.
37:57Never have.
37:58Palm needs some.
37:59I have never have.
38:00And you can bring me back to have a lie detector on that.
38:02But you've watched her sleep with somebody else.
38:04Yes.
38:04And that's played with your mind.
38:05And that's caused you to become paranoid.
38:06It was your suggestion.
38:08No, you're wrong there.
38:09So you're happy for the person you love to have sex with somebody else, yeah?
38:13When I'm with her in the same room.
38:16But you keep walking out.
38:18No.
38:18That's not in the same room.
38:19You do it, and then you walk out of the room.
38:22Well, you won't go in, Tyler.
38:23You regret suggesting it, right?
38:25No, I don't.
38:27What happens from this point?
38:28Let me ask you a question.
38:29If you're going to feel the fantasy that the woman you love, you will do something about
38:32it, yeah?
38:33Don't ask me, mate.
38:34Well, I'm the last person you should talk to about that.
38:39No, actually, a fantasy for the woman you love is just loving her, and that's it.
38:43Yeah.
38:43Not sharing other everything around you.
38:45I don't understand.
38:46I'm a wife.
38:46You're fooling them.
38:47To please you.
38:48I'm stupid.
38:49Because I'm really stupid, and I love you so much.
38:52I want...
38:53Who were these other members?
38:54When you love something, you try to undo your best.
38:56Were they strangers, these other men?
38:57Yes.
38:58Yeah.
38:59Off the internet.
39:01Well, what are you this?
39:01No, he's done...
39:03He's tried with friends as well.
39:05Rich, really.
39:07Don't go there.
39:09Why wouldn't she go there?
39:10You suggested it.
39:11Don't go there.
39:11Come on.
39:12This is the most important.
39:15It is, but also, you've given her a green light, and maybe she felt...
39:19I'm not justifying it.
39:20Maybe she felt like you didn't...
39:22I don't even know how many it is.
39:23This has even happened before the green light was there.
39:25This has gone through my cancer.
39:27So why are you there saying you're going to stay with her then?
39:29Excuse me.
39:30What?
39:30The first person that you suggested about us doing this with happened after, just after
39:37you got...
39:37So what you're saying is it's all right for a...
39:39No, after...
39:39...as long as you can watch, but if she did something behind you about that, that would
39:42be a nightmare.
39:43Yes.
39:43The couple was first, and I was after.
39:46No.
39:47The couple?
39:47Oh, God.
39:49Just face reality.
39:50I know.
39:51The couple was after you got cancer, because you turned around to say to her.
39:55Yes, that's right, yes.
39:56Because you had cancer.
39:57What's going to happen now?
39:57That was the first one.
39:58Two men...
39:59Oh, God.
40:00What was this?
40:01They were after.
40:02What's going to happen now?
40:03This is the most important.
40:04I knew I wasn't paranoid.
40:05What happens?
40:06Are you staying together?
40:07We try and work it out, if she wants to.
40:09No?
40:10You don't want to work it out?
40:11I'm going home with my kid.
40:12Okay.
40:13And I'll be funny, right?
40:14The bruises on my leg?
40:15Ridiculous.
40:15I ate nothing, and going home, taking my kid.
40:19Okay.
40:19Simple as that.
40:20That's fair enough.
40:20And I will never be shared with anything ever again.
40:23That's fair enough.
40:24As long as I've got that.
40:26We will sit, and we will talk with you, but maybe it does prove what I said, I'm afraid.
40:31Maybe fantasy should stay in the brain, because the reality is that it causes all sorts of problems.
40:36Yeah.
40:36All yours.
40:36Karen, give him a round of applause.
40:38Thank you very much indeed.
40:39Two-point, isn't it?
40:46He said he loved her, then he shared her for his gratification.
40:50She went along with it to please him.
40:52She not happy.
40:53Then she cheated.
40:54It's over after the break.
40:54A woman with an ultimatum, change your ways, or I'm leaving you for good.
40:58We're back with more on the JK Show.
40:59Next.
40:59How many times has he hit you?
41:01Twice.
41:02What did he do, though?
41:03I made him in my mouth for the middle of a card.
41:07Has that ever happened to you before?
41:09When he did that, what goes through your mind?
41:13How can he do that?
41:18Are you having problems with your ex?
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41:43Next guest today, Kelly is here, because she cannot seem to get through to a partner
41:56of nine months, Chris.
41:57She says that he is utterly convinced she's been unfaithful and cannot stop accusing him
42:01no matter what she does.
42:02She says that Chris's bad anger problem has gotten the better of him, and she's now living
42:05in worry that it might escalate further.
42:08She says she loves Chris with all her heart, but knows the relationship cannot take more
42:12strain.
42:12Massive day.
42:13This is a lady who says, should I stay with my violent man?
42:17No.
42:18Kelly's on the Jeremy Cowell show.
42:26Hardest thing in the world for me, this, but also the easiest.
42:30No, you shouldn't.
42:30You should dump him.
42:31What do you want me to say?
42:34He hits you?
42:35He used to.
42:37When was the last time he hit you, Kel?
42:39Um, about five months ago.
42:42How many times has he hit you?
42:43Twice.
42:44What did he do, babe?
42:46Um, he hit me in the mouth and gave me a black eye.
42:50Has that ever happened to you before?
42:52No.
42:53When he did that, what goes through your mind?
42:56How can he do that?
42:57On a serious note, you said everything was great at first, but things have got worse.
43:00His paranoia is out of control.
43:02This is a 25-year-old man who constantly checks up on you.
43:07Yeah.
43:08How bad is it?
43:09Er, he just thinks, like, if I, I wanted to come here today, just for five minutes of
43:15a day, and, er, to meet someone at the hotel.
43:20It isn't funny, though, is it?
43:21Because unless he takes it out on you physically, he takes it out on where you live, punches
43:24walls, very, very aggressive, very angry, and, and if you're being completely honest,
43:29that's scary, isn't it?
43:31Yeah.
43:31To try to make shells?
43:33Not really, because I've been, I've been violent to him, too, so.
43:37Oh, he thinks it's funny, sitting there with a smug look on his face.
43:40Why'd you, why'd you smile at a man who gives you a black eye?
43:43Why would you put up with it?
43:45He came here and said it's you wanting a lie detector to prove that you hadn't cheated.
43:49We can't do a lie detector when there's violence involved.
43:51We've absolutely repeated that.
43:52Chris is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
43:59You're a f***er.
44:02Sorry?
44:04You didn't hit her, then?
44:05No.
44:06And she's given as good as what I've got.
44:07She's put mugs over me head and everything.
44:09Mugs?
44:09No, mugs like cups, yes.
44:11Slammed them over me head on the stairs.
44:12You're going to not tell him that?
44:13I've just told him I've been violent to you.
44:15What other stuff have you told him what you've done to me?
44:16What?
44:17You've hit me with a belt across me head and everything.
44:19No, I haven't.
44:20Of course you have.
44:20When I try to leave.
44:22So you want to leave, do you?
44:24I've done something for my domestic violence issues.
44:26I've done a BBR course.
44:28Yeah, and it's really worked, hasn't it?
44:30Well, it's not worked on the public, but it's worked on women.
44:33Honestly, it's not worked in...
44:34You still go and beat people up in public.
44:37Presumably, if you've got those issues and you're also violent,
44:39you shouldn't be in a damn relationship at all.
44:41You say we want help, right?
44:44You can only get help one way if you're violent on this show.
44:46That's not to be together.
44:48Can't stay together.
44:49I keep telling her, but she's telling me I'll prove this to you.
44:51I'm saying, well, you don't need to prove nothing to me
44:53because I know the suspicions do add up to something.
44:56What happened?
44:56Have you cheated again?
44:58No.
44:59You get where I'm coming from.
45:00It doesn't...
45:00I cheated in five days in, yeah,
45:02because I didn't think he was going to stay...
45:03I didn't think he was going to stay around.
45:05Why are you together?
45:07Why are you together?
45:09Like, I don't know.
45:10It's like soulmates sort of thing, isn't it?
45:12Like...
45:13But is that a thing as well when I try it out?
45:16In the past, I've normally not given a girl an opportunity to admit.
45:20I normally just go off it and get arrested and that's it.
45:23Nice.
45:23But I've actually done this course,
45:25ten till one, I was doing it,
45:27one day till Wednesday,
45:28every, like, for 11 months.
45:30I've completed it.
45:31Can I get Graham on the Jeremy Kyle show, please?
45:33Give him a round of applause, those gentlemen.
45:34Have they not even got you a chair?
45:42Give him a round of applause, those gentlemen.
45:45I don't think they're...
45:45We don't need your chair, he's sitting here.
45:48Graham, you know these situations better than anybody.
45:52A couple who are violent, either one-way or two-way,
45:54cannot get any help if they stay together, can they?
45:56OK, so what I'm getting from you is that
45:57you take on board that you had anger issues
46:00and you got some help for that
46:02and you did a course for building better relationships.
46:04Yeah, I've completed it.
46:05OK.
46:05It's worked.
46:06And since this course, you say it's worked...
46:08It's worked, it's...
46:08Listen to him.
46:10And there's been no violence coming from you towards your partner?
46:14Towards any woman, yeah.
46:15OK.
46:16What you're saying, what I'm hearing from you is
46:18you've not really accepted that, in your life,
46:22anger and being aggressive towards him is a problem.
46:25When we had the initial chat,
46:27it was about violence within this relationship.
46:30Clearly...
46:30I've never told.
46:31Clearly that's not acceptable.
46:33What you're saying is that you're no longer
46:35violent in this relationship,
46:37but you accept that on occasions
46:39you have been violent towards him.
46:40But I was never like that before.
46:42You was never like that before.
46:43OK, well, here's the first thing.
46:45That's funny, because when the police...
46:46OK, well, here's the first thing.
46:47It's your anger, it's your aggression,
46:50you need to take responsibility for that,
46:52and the moment you take responsibility for that,
46:54we can move this forward, OK?
46:56There is a certain amount of denial about you as well.
46:58You believe that just doing this one course has solved all your problems.
47:02It genuinely hasn't, OK?
47:03Because what you're saying is, you did a course for building better relationships.
47:07If you're saying that this lady is violent towards you,
47:10and you re-engage with this relationship,
47:12despite the fact she's being violent towards you,
47:15then that's telling me an awful lot, isn't it?
47:20You don't respect yourself enough
47:21because you're re-entering into a relationship here
47:24whereby you're being physically abused.
47:26Why would you do that?
47:26All I'm saying is, right, is
47:27how come she's got lads coming round at 3 o'clock in the morning
47:30with Fiat Puntos parked outside the house
47:32while I'm fast asleep upstairs in bed?
47:34I don't know.
47:35Is this what this relationship is like most of the time,
47:38you two arguing in this way?
47:39No.
47:39It's not like a relationship is something
47:41what we're trying to work out,
47:42but we can't because she just will not admit anything.
47:44You know what?
47:44Because I've admitted everything to him.
47:46I've admitted everything.
47:47You know what?
47:47Seven years domestic violence, I don't need that.
47:49I don't...
47:49I need support with it.
47:51Support?
47:52I support him and his whole family.
47:54With that course.
47:54Right, that's it.
47:55Graham, tell us what you're going to do.
47:56I'm going to move on.
47:57Sometimes relationships just don't work.
48:00Absolutely.
48:01OK?
48:01And sometimes you just have to accept that
48:03and move on.
48:05Let's talk to both of you separately backstage.
48:07Graham and you guys go that way.
48:09Give him a round of applause.
48:10Thank you for that, mate.
48:15I've never seen Graham look so shocked.
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