The Jeremy Kyle Show - 26th October 2018
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00:10On today's show, Courtney, the potential daughter.
00:15At the end of the day, she may be your daughter.
00:18You mean to stand up and be a father to your child?
00:22That could be your child, sorry.
00:24Could be. What about the other two?
00:25The DNA test results show that Darren...
00:33You are one stinking, rotten, little liar.
00:38He's a stinking, rotten, little liar.
00:46Look here, Mike.
00:50He has a right to be buried next to his blood mother, right or wrong?
00:53No. You know who that is?
00:55Yes, I know who it is. That's my mother.
00:59Are you embarrassed by your potential, son?
01:01Yes.
01:04We're going to do...
01:05No, no, no, no, no, no.
01:07I like to joke.
01:08Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome. The JK Vault is open and today we've got some truly memorable stories with shocking DNA results.
01:21First up, we met Darren, who came to the show to find out if Courtney was his daughter.
01:25Now, he claimed his relationship with his potential daughter was at breaking point due to her lack of respect for his partner, Gemma.
01:31Take a look at this.
01:36Courtney, potential daughter.
01:38Yes.
01:39Detailed story, this.
01:40Courtney is here today. You're both here today for a DNA test.
01:45You believe this kid's your daughter. I guess you've got a lot to tell.
01:47Let's just talk about the story. When were you with her mother? Why is there some doubt?
01:51What's the story?
01:52Me and her mum started off, years ago, we had a friends with benefits relationship, right? So, as you do.
02:00What do you mean by that?
02:02Well...
02:03It's not rocket style.
02:04It's not rocket style.
02:05Sex. It was more to sex.
02:07So, was it a relationship or was it sex?
02:10I had feelings as such.
02:12Well, she said, just so you're aware, Nicola said.
02:14Yeah.
02:15I was in a relationship with Darren for six months.
02:17She was never in a relationship with me.
02:19Never a full-time relationship. It was never a full-time relationship.
02:22Well, get off. Look at you lot, straight away.
02:27Right, so you were having a friends with benefits.
02:29A Friday nighter, as I like to call it, you know.
02:31Friday, Wednesday, whenever you want.
02:34Saturday, Sunday.
02:39Clay David, seven days, right?
02:40Yeah, yeah.
02:41Any particular day of the week you favour for intimacy, Stephen?
02:44No.
02:45Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, what'd you say?
02:50No, I'm only now.
02:52Good man.
02:53Okay, so in your mind it was casual.
02:55Did you discover that she was pregnant when you were still with her or what?
02:59No, no. Tell us the story.
03:00Well, when we discovered that Nicola was pregnant, right,
03:04she must have been, she must have been about four to six months and that,
03:08and we, we got into a, like, I asked her, I said, look, is the baby mine?
03:13Why would you ask that?
03:14Because, well, because, even though we were careful at first,
03:17because we'd become very close to that, we decided to not be so careful.
03:21And, also, you told my team I was aware that she was sleeping with other people,
03:24as you were.
03:25Yes.
03:26You're not being unfair when you say that.
03:27No.
03:28She said, you are, you're not, you might be.
03:30What did she say at that point?
03:31At first, she turned and said, there's no chance she could have been mine.
03:34Right.
03:35Right, because of the dates from the last time we'd slept together.
03:37Right.
03:38Right.
03:39So you and she split up and you moved on?
03:40Yeah, just moved on.
03:41And the interesting thing about Darren, ladies and gentlemen,
03:42you've been with Gemma, your partner, but you've been with her for 18 years.
03:45This is a lady that you've been with, have you had kids with her?
03:47Yes.
03:48So you've moved on.
03:49This isn't like a bloke who jumps from bed to bed.
03:51That was a fling.
03:52You know, you were ready to be responsible, but then you've moved on to Gemma.
03:55When were you aware that there was more of a chance?
03:59Because we sort of fast forward to a few months ago,
04:02when you and your partner, Gemma, take Courtney into your home.
04:06Why would she do that if you'd been told by a mother 18 years ago
04:09that potentially she's not yours?
04:11Because I promised Nicola all them years ago, I promised her.
04:14I said, because she had a bit of a reputation and she...
04:18Who had a reputation?
04:19Nicola had a bit of a reputation.
04:21And she had, and she was...
04:24She didn't know who the father was.
04:26I turned around and said, look, if anyone asks, she's mine.
04:30She came to you at 12, though, did she not?
04:32And said...
04:33Yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:34Nicola said to me about...
04:35She was about 12.
04:37Um, Courtney was about 12 and she turned around and said, look, she might be yours.
04:41So you stepped up, um, and then a few months ago
04:45you decided to take Courtney into your home, yours and Gemma's home.
04:49Can I point out that that's because she'd been thrown out by her mother, yeah?
04:52Um, yeah, she was having problems with her mum,
04:55and then she moved into her uncle's, her aunt and uncle's in Dagenham,
04:58and then she moved into her friend's and then sank half an hour and then she got kicked out.
05:02So she asked if she could stop a few days.
05:04What was it like?
05:05Um, at first, it was like...
05:07Be truthful, don't allow it to me.
05:08At first, it was like Evan.
05:10At first it was like Evan.
05:11Like something I wouldn't believe.
05:13Like she was like the best...
05:15Like something, something was missing.
05:17It felt like something was missing.
05:18And she was, she was the...
05:19At that moment you must have thought, this is my daughter, I'm getting a bond.
05:21Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:22Because we had a beautiful...
05:23I mean, you do look, you know...
05:24Yeah, we had a beautiful bond together.
05:25A beautiful bond.
05:26It turned into a bit of a nightmare.
05:27Yeah, it turned into a bit of a nightmare.
05:28Um, there was a disagreement between her and Gemma.
05:31Um, like they'd, they'd fool that now and again,
05:34but this one was like, they had a big disagreement.
05:36Um, Gemma's gone to kick her out.
05:38Um, she wouldn't go so Gemma's like basically forced her out at home.
05:42And at that point Courtney opened the door and turned around...
05:46So there was an altercation?
05:47Yeah, there was an altercation.
05:48Um, my other daughter was there, who's a, who's a young girl.
05:52And she turned around and said, she said, look, she goes, I'm gonna get you, your brother
05:56and your sister's taken away from your mum by social services.
05:58Right?
05:59If anything, if anything, it, that hurt.
06:03That hurt more than anything.
06:04I would rather have been called names.
06:05I would rather have been called anything else in the world.
06:07What's your relationship with Courtney right now?
06:09Truthfully.
06:10Truthfully, I think it's trying to blossom back.
06:13It wants to blossom back.
06:14And I love her profusely.
06:16I love her to the end of the earth.
06:17She, she...
06:18Let's be honest with you though, and I'm not having a go at you two,
06:20you say she has bad traits because of her family.
06:23That's what you told us.
06:24Yeah.
06:25What do you mean by that?
06:26Bad traits.
06:27Um, she's just, it's just...
06:29The poor girl, she's never, I don't think, she's been through a lot in her life.
06:33She's living with her auntie now, isn't she, Joanne?
06:35Yeah, yeah.
06:36You don't think she's much of a role model, do you?
06:38No.
06:39By the way, what you don't know about Gemma, she tried to enroll her in college,
06:41she tried to get her a job, she really tried to help her.
06:44And they've had a bit of a bust up fine.
06:45But why the hell wasn't this done?
06:47It's all well and good for the mother.
06:49Let me read you the mother's statement.
06:50We'll do this a little bit differently this time.
06:52I was in a relationship with Darren for six months after we split,
06:54then I had a one night stand with him,
06:56and another man behind my partner's back.
06:58When I fell pregnant with Courtney, I told Darren he could be a potential father,
07:01but he said he was too young to bring her kid up and had no involvement until she was 12.
07:05That's a lot of...
07:06Darren has been in and out of court in his life since...
07:08Wait.
07:09Darren has been in and out of court in his life since then
07:11because his girlfriend Gemma doesn't like the fact he has another child.
07:15I hope he is the dad and he will be there for her,
07:18but Gemma needs to stop calling the shots and allow him to be a father.
07:21I fully support my daughter and I hope everything works out for her.
07:23Now, Nicola's not here and I'll probably get slaughtered,
07:26but this is a woman who had sex with three men in the space of three days
07:29and doesn't know who her kid's father is,
07:31and I would have thought the responsibility as much as for you and the other blokes
07:34is with this woman to have got her daughter answers.
07:37And furthermore, when I hear about this kid moves in with you and with the auntie,
07:41where the hell's the mother been for the last few years?
07:44I don't get this, but I'm not saying...
07:47I'm not saying that the way she treated your missus is right,
07:51and I will also put this in your case.
07:52You should have done something 18 years ago as well, mate.
07:54Yeah.
07:55Shouldn't you?
07:56Yeah, I should have done something.
07:57Maybe I should have done something, but I'm doing it now.
08:00Maybe a bit too late.
08:02You're worried about Courtney, aren't you?
08:04I'm worried about her.
08:05Yeah.
08:06I do worry about her.
08:07Why do you worry about her being with Joanne?
08:08Tell me the truth.
08:09I don't want her to follow in Australian's footsteps.
08:13What are those footsteps?
08:15Also, like, just...
08:16You told my team, you know, you did say, and I quote,
08:19I don't want her to be like her in ten years.
08:21What does Joanne do?
08:22I'm not going to put words in your mouth.
08:24I don't know, like, changing in relationships.
08:27Well, you said sleeping around.
08:28Yeah, man to man, sleeping around, or anything like that.
08:32I don't want that.
08:33I just want to enjoy her life.
08:35Today we get the truth, right?
08:36Because you've done something sooner.
08:38Yeah.
08:39It's maybe a bit too late, but better late than never.
08:41You're very honest.
08:42Courtney's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
08:45Courtney, I'm confused.
09:01I totally understand that today is difficult,
09:06and actually, do I think an 18-year-old should have to come
09:09on a television show to find out who their father is?
09:11No, I damn well don't.
09:12You've heard what I've said.
09:13I'm not attaching blame just to your mother.
09:15I'm attaching it to this man,
09:16and anybody else that was with your mother.
09:18What were you told growing up, sweetheart?
09:20You alright to tell me that?
09:21Obviously, I grew up with a different man,
09:23and when I was eight, I got told it was someone else.
09:26It was between, obviously, Darren and another person.
09:30How does that hit you at eight?
09:32What goes through your head?
09:33At eight, I didn't know what was going on,
09:35so obviously I was just, I didn't know how to deal with it then.
09:38Can you shut her up, please?
09:40Carry on, I want to hear you.
09:41I didn't know how to deal with it then.
09:42Excuse me a second.
09:43I am not interested in listening.
09:45What are you doing?
09:48I know it's um, listen, you'll have a chance,
09:51but I want to speak to the kid, okay?
09:53I absolutely get that what he said to you would upset you, right?
09:55And you'll have a chance.
09:56But don't sit here shouting out and refusing.
09:58I'll get you out, okay?
09:59Just button it a minute while I speak to her.
10:01You say last thing, last year things changed.
10:07I started calling him Dad.
10:08Why?
10:09Obviously, like, last year, it just felt like I was actually,
10:12I had, I actually had a dad that was there for me
10:15and everything like that.
10:16That I'll, obviously, if it comes back that he is my dad,
10:19I'll be proud to sit there and say he is my dad
10:21because he is a good dad when he's there.
10:23What happened when you moved into their family home, darling?
10:26We was good at the start, but me and Gemma just didn't get along.
10:30Like, we got along, but it weren't...
10:32You were like the outsider.
10:33Yeah, it just weren't, like, I didn't feel like they were part of the family.
10:36At first, I did.
10:37Like, we'd done stepdaughter and daughter stuff, like,
10:41and stepmother stuff.
10:43But it just went downhill after that.
10:47Talk to each other.
10:48Oh, do you know what?
10:50I know everything that went on between us,
10:52and I loved it at first.
10:54And even to now, even to now, like, I've said to everyone,
10:57no matter whatever happens today, you'll always be mine.
10:59You'll always, you'll always, always be mine.
11:02You'll always be, you'll always be my favourite.
11:04You'll always be my favourite.
11:06What was said between you and Gemma?
11:09Yeah, what happened?
11:10What was that?
11:11Because she was good to you, wasn't it?
11:12She tried to enrol you in college and everything.
11:14Obviously, I appreciate everything that they've done for me
11:16and everything, because I did, like, obviously,
11:18I do appreciate you kicking me out as well,
11:20because I did grow up a lot more than what I did before.
11:23What did you do wrong?
11:24Do you feel like you should have been kicked out?
11:25Because for me, I have a story of a girl
11:26who's been kicked out about five times.
11:28Yeah, I was arguing with, like, obviously,
11:31with one of Darren's children.
11:34Did you make the threat about social services?
11:36Yeah, I did.
11:37What do you think about that now?
11:38Obviously, that was quite pathetic of myself to say that.
11:41I've been through social services myself.
11:43I've been in care and everything, so I know how it feels.
11:46You're the victim in this, though, aren't you?
11:48She is.
11:49No, because I like the fact she's sat here
11:50and she's going, my baby wasn't great.
11:51She is the victim.
11:52But you are the victim.
11:53This should have been...
11:54You know, you...
11:55I mean, Darren, I'm not...
11:56It's not just about her mum.
11:57It's about you blokes as well.
11:58You should have done more 18 years ago, shouldn't you?
12:01Yeah, maybe I should have done more 18 years ago.
12:04Now...
12:06The thing is, you're now living with Auntie Joanne.
12:08Yeah.
12:09Can you get a chair, please?
12:10Because I'm going to do this.
12:11Joanne's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
12:13At the end of the day, she may be your daughter.
12:25You need to stand up and be a father to your child.
12:29That could be your child.
12:31Sorry.
12:32Could be.
12:33What about the other two?
12:34At the end of the day, she's taking the father.
12:36Hold on a minute.
12:37I'm not going to go at you.
12:38Is it your sister, her mother?
12:39Yeah.
12:40Well, first of all, right, this is what I'm going to say
12:42to defend her, right?
12:43She's not here, but she stepped up.
12:45But he says you're a bad influence on her.
12:47I'm a bad influence, yeah?
12:48When you kicked her out, my sister kicked her out.
12:51I took her under my roof.
12:54And I don't sleep around.
12:57Jo, I don't want to get into it.
12:59I've been with my boyfriend for nearly a year, mate.
13:01Yeah.
13:02And I'll stay with him.
13:03Alright.
13:04Do you feel like Darren should have done more sooner?
13:06Yeah, he should have done more.
13:07He should have stepped up and been a father.
13:09And done her DNA when she was 12 years old when he found her.
13:12What was wrong with your sister doing it?
13:13I think that's it.
13:14You see, I'm wrong.
13:15Well, she's wrong.
13:16She's in the room as well.
13:17I'm not going to defend her.
13:18She's not here taking it on her chin there.
13:20You're standing here.
13:21You know what?
13:22I won't defend her.
13:23You're both in the room.
13:24You should have done it when she was 12 years old.
13:25That's the truest thing.
13:26Yeah, that's the truest thing.
13:27And she's the victim, isn't she?
13:28Yeah, she is.
13:29Yes, definitely.
13:30Because she's the one who's suffered all her life not knowing who her father was.
13:46But I'm not innocent either.
13:48You also, though, had quite a lot to say about Gemma, Darren's partner.
13:52We're going to bring her out after this break if you can tell me this camera.
13:55What's your problem with Gemma?
13:56I ain't got a problem with Gemma.
13:57As I said, they're good parents.
13:59But they should have stepped forward, both of them, and said, look, Gemma should have
14:03pushed it along and said, look, we need DNA done to make sure the company is yours or
14:07not yours.
14:09Said it many times, but after the break, life-changing DNA results.
14:14We're right back.
14:15Is she a pain in the back side?
14:17She can be, but she's a brilliant child.
14:19I can't fool her.
14:20I can't fool her.
14:21I feel sorry for her.
14:22Yeah.
14:23Because she needs to know.
14:24Do you believe he's your dad?
14:25Yeah.
14:26The DNA test results show that Darren...
14:27You are the child.
14:28Oh!
14:29Oh!
14:30Oh!
14:31Oh!
14:32Oh!
14:33Oh!
14:34Oh!
14:35Oh!
14:36ということ.
14:37You are the child.
14:38Oh!
14:39Oh!
14:40Oh!
14:41Oh!
14:42Just, you know.
14:43Let's put it down.
14:45You are the shelter
14:49She was telling the truth
15:00I've got something for you
15:03That's a dog poo bag
15:05If I can get him into recovery
15:11Not only will his life improve
15:13So will the lives of these four people
15:15We will do all that we can
15:17I promise you
15:18I'm cute, I'm sexy, I'm good
15:25Please welcome the two-man sex
15:28When he was having it with you
15:29You were thinking of somebody else
15:30No, no, Steve
15:31Welcome back my friends
15:45The JK vault is open
15:46We're looking at some truly shocking DNA result shows
15:48And before the break
15:49Things got very, very emotional
15:52Take a look at this
15:53Do you believe he's your dad?
15:58Yeah
15:58There is something there
16:00There is something there
16:01But it's just
16:02I'm open so
16:04I hope so
16:05You could have done it a long time ago
16:06And I want to ask
16:07I want to ask your partner of 18 years
16:09Nothing against her
16:09I want to ask her like that
16:10Right
16:10She says she'd love this kid as her own
16:12She said she'd be delighted
16:13If she was in the family
16:14Why didn't she?
16:15Jo's got a point
16:16Why didn't she push the button
16:17Only six years ago
16:18Jam is on the Kyle show
16:19Jen, welcome to the show
16:39Everybody said that you've been with this man a long time
16:43That you've been a great influence
16:45That when she first came to home
16:46You tried to enrol her in college and whatever
16:49Yep
16:49That was an altercation, an argument
16:51Why'd you chuck her out?
16:53She's a normal teenager
16:55Mouthy
16:56Bad influence on the other kids at that moment?
16:59A little bit
16:59My oldest is 12
17:00She did rub off a tiny little bit
17:02How did she feel when she said about social services?
17:05Truthfully
17:06It broke my heart
17:07I love her like she is my own
17:10I may not have gave birth to a child
17:12Think your old man should have done something about this sooner?
17:16Maybe
17:16It's not all down to him
17:19No, no, no
17:20But Jo's right
17:21It's not all down to him
17:22It's down to everybody
17:23Massive, massive day for you
17:25On a serious note
17:26And I absolutely get that you're stuck
17:29Or have been in the middle of this
17:31I think Jo's right
17:32I think there's right and wrong on many sides
17:34Yeah
17:34And I think it's time to stop pointing the finger
17:37And thinking, you know
17:38That person, this person
17:40It should be about getting the truth
17:41Yeah
17:42Whatever that says
17:43We're going to be here for you, okay?
17:45I'll be here for Courtney
17:46No matter what
17:47No matter what this result comes out
17:48If you ever want to do it again
17:50I will be here
17:51Just don't
17:52Do not worry about this
17:53Those words
17:57Those words mean nothing
17:58They mean nothing
17:59The DNA test results show that Darren
18:01I'm sorry, darling
18:05He's not your father
18:06Right, listen
18:15Do me a favour
18:16Listen, let's all go this way
18:17Because I don't want to do this publicly
18:18Come with me
18:19Come here
18:19Come here
18:19Bring her off
18:20Bring her off
18:21Come here, sweetheart
18:24Come here
18:25Come here
18:27Come here
18:28Come here
18:28Come here
18:29Come here
18:29Come here
18:29Come here
18:30I'm not the pro
18:34But I'm going to tell you one thing
18:35Look at me
18:35Listen to me
18:37I promise you this
18:37Listen to me
18:38We will do whatever to get you the truth
18:41On my absolute life
18:43All right
18:43You wanted this, didn't you?
18:54I just want to point that out to people
18:56Because some people will say
18:57Well
18:57Yeah, of course you can
19:00Why would you want to do this?
19:01But you were very keen to get the answers
19:02I'm not going to insult you and say
19:05How'd you feel?
19:06You must feel true
19:06I don't care what that says
19:08She's mine
19:08She's mine
19:09No matter what
19:10The hardest thing in the world
19:16Babe, the hardest thing in the world of this job is to give people news they don't want to get
19:20But we have to deal with the truth
19:21And the sadness of this story is this should have been done a long, long time ago
19:26As everybody now agrees
19:27Graham, um, we'll do all we can, won't we?
19:30I mean, I say that and you'll, you'll believe me
19:34Because you'll see what they'll do
19:35And if you want our help
19:36Do you want our help?
19:36Yeah, please
19:37I will try and find your dad
19:39But when I say I'll try
19:41I bet I will
19:41All right?
19:43I'm sorry
19:44And I'll be here again
19:46That's me
19:47All of us
19:48I'll be here again
19:49All the way
19:50We'll come again and again
19:51Five times, eight times
19:53There's many times
19:53We'll come again
19:54We'll start the day after the show
19:58And we will make sure we find the answers
20:00Are you all right, my darling?
20:04Every now and then you just go
20:05Wow, that was incredible
20:06And it was
20:07And we wish them all the best for the future
20:08We'll let you know
20:08And stay tuned
20:09Because after this break
20:10We've got more shocking DNA results
20:12We'll be right back
20:13He has the right to be buried
20:15Next to his blood mother
20:16Right or wrong?
20:17No
20:17You know who that is?
20:19Yes, I know who that is
20:19That's my mother
20:20That's your wife
20:22Are you embarrassed by your potential, sir?
20:24Yes
20:25Welcome back, my friends
20:36The JK Vault is open
20:38And we've got some truly amazing DNA stories today
20:40Now, sparks flew in
20:41Our next one
20:41When William Jr. came to the show
20:43To confront his alleged father, William Sr.,
20:45Who he claims had lied to him
20:47About who his real mother was
20:48Until he was a teenager
20:49He came for answers
20:50He wanted that DNA
20:52Take a look at this
20:53Tell these people
20:57Clearly and concisely
20:58Growing up
20:59What you were told
21:00Tell us the story
21:00Because it's awful
21:01Shut up
21:02Go on
21:03Well, I was 14 year old
21:04And obviously
21:05My dad told me
21:06When I was drunk
21:07When he was drunk
21:08My real mother was dead
21:11From 0 to 14
21:13You were told about your mother
21:15She wasn't around
21:15My dad came back
21:16When he came back from work
21:18And he says
21:19Your real mother's dead
21:21Be quiet, you
21:24Shut up
21:25Now
21:25You're a witch
21:26What were you told
21:53From 0 to 14
21:54About your real mother
21:55She just wasn't on the scene
21:56You weren't told anything
21:57What did your dad say
21:58Before she starts
21:59What were you
21:59Well
22:00I got brought up
22:01With another woman
22:01Obviously my dad married again
22:03Right, okay
22:04You never saw your mum
22:05I never saw my mum
22:06And then at 14
22:07He comes home drunk
22:09And says
22:09By the way
22:09Your mother's dead
22:10No, he says
22:11That's not your real mother
22:12Your real mother's dead
22:13I'm going to take you to a grave
22:14I think that was Scottish
22:19For you talking poo
22:20No, I don't want to see
22:23I don't want to see
22:23Magnus Magnusson
22:24And his girlfriend
22:25Go away
22:25You cannot laugh
22:27Porkypins
22:28Shut up
22:32Until I tell you
22:33To come on
22:33Then you sort of
22:40Went away
22:41This is the latest woman
22:43How long has Mary Ann been in Big Willie's life
22:46For about 15 years
22:48You say she's a witch
22:50Aye, she's a witch
22:51She's never
22:52She didn't want me in the family
22:54She's always wanted my favourite
22:55She's pitched your father over you
22:58She's never liked me from the start
23:01You feel ostracous
23:02Shut up
23:02Pushed out
23:04Aye
23:04Black sheep
23:05Shut up
23:06I don't know what that is
23:07What did he say?
23:10I don't need to shut up for her
23:11I don't know whether you understand this
23:20With a stupid look on your face
23:21Shut up until I ask you to speak
23:22Just because she controls you
23:24I'm telling you
23:25Sit down and be quiet now
23:27Big Willie's not so big now is he
23:35I love you Wee Willie
23:41How old are you? 32
23:45If you're just tuning in
23:46This is Wee Willie
23:46Horrible upbringing by your father
23:49He picked her
23:49The new stepmother
23:50She's the witch
23:51Banned from the wedding
23:52Pushed out of the family
23:53Made my life a misery
23:55DNA today
23:57Well out of wishful thinking
23:58You just don't want him to be
23:59No
24:00No
24:00He's never been a father Robert
24:02He's never been a bear father
24:03And he'll ever be
24:04This is the
24:05Shut up
24:06This is the worst thing you'll hear
24:07On a serious note
24:08This is the most serious thing
24:09No I mean Robert
24:10This boy is not in the best of health
24:12Right
24:12All this boy wants
24:13Tell them about
24:14What you'd like to find out
24:15About your mother's grave
24:16I just want the truth
24:18No I mean
24:19He wants to know
24:20Where his mother's grave is
24:21The deeds of the grave
24:22Because
24:22I want you dead
24:23And my mother left me 45,000
24:25And she left me
24:27She left me joy
24:28And my dad's keeping it back
24:29For me
24:30He's kept the money
24:31And when he dies
24:32In many years to come
24:33He wants to be buried
24:34Next to his mum
24:35And his father
24:35Won't let him have the deeds
24:36To the grave
24:37Which you need
24:38To buy a plot
24:38And also they won't let him have the money
24:40And he took me to that
24:41You lot
24:41And I
24:42Absolutely love Wee Willie
24:43Right
24:44So Marianne's the stepmother
24:54No she's not my stepmother
24:55She's not gonna
24:56She's not gonna like this walkout
24:58Marianne's on the Jeremy Kyle show
25:00What did you just call him?
25:17A stinking rotten little liar
25:19You've taken his money
25:20And you won't tell him
25:21Where his mother's buried
25:22Why would you ain't know?
25:23There's no cross
25:25A thousand pound break for him
25:26Why won't you tell him
25:28Where his mother's buried
25:29And give him the deeds?
25:30I don't know where his mother's buried
25:32I don't
25:33Control the husband don't you?
25:34I don't control the husband
25:35This is his son
25:36She is the man
25:39Let's get back
25:41Let's get back
25:42To the number 69
25:43Let's get back to the 201 then
25:47I mean
25:47It was the 201
25:48I mean I'll just say
25:50It's the 201 then
25:50Right
25:51You says it was the 69
25:52So we'll go for the 201 okay
25:53How many people
25:56How many bus drivers
25:57Did you have sex with?
25:58I have no sex with any bus driver
26:00You've never had sex with
26:01No I've not had any sex with a bus driver
26:02He said you sleep with bus drivers all the time
26:04I don't sleep with bus drivers all the time
26:05She doesn't sleep with bus drivers
26:06I sleep with his father
26:07Yeah but you have cheated
26:09What on a bus?
26:10You have never cheated on his father?
26:14Yes
26:14No
26:15You have haven't you?
26:16No
26:16You delete you
26:18It's written all over your face
26:19No
26:20Two weeks before the wedding
26:21I have not cheated on your family
26:23Two weeks before the wedding
26:24You know
26:24Bus driver
26:25Oh no
26:26I didn't cheat on your dad two weeks before his wedding
26:31Yes you did
26:31No I didn't
26:32Who with?
26:33I didn't cheat on his wedding
26:34201 or 69
26:352026 then okay
26:38226?
26:39That's how long
26:40What's your problem with this boy
26:42He's been ostracised all his life
26:44And I feel sorry for him
26:45He's a stinking rotten little liar
26:48He's his son
26:49What's he lied about?
26:50Why is he wanting a DNA test to prove that that's his father then?
26:53Well maybe he's not because he's treated him so damn badly
26:56Why is he so f***ing him?
26:58Why?
26:59He's never liked me from the start
27:00Right I'm going to go to a break
27:02And then I'm going to bring out your potential dad
27:04Big Willie
27:05Is that true?
27:06What do you mean potential dad?
27:07Is he f***ing father?
27:08Well then he should
27:09Never read this link before after the break
27:15All important DNA results
27:16We'll be right back
27:17What?
27:19What are you on?
27:20What are you on?
27:20What are you on?
27:21I got all on money
27:22What do you think you're money?
27:23What do you think you're money?
27:23I got all on money
27:24I don't know anybody's saying
27:26Look at your life
27:30He has a right to be buried next to his blood mother
27:33Right or wrong?
27:34No
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28:02Welcome back
28:10So the vault has been open all week
28:12We've got some incredible DNA stories today
28:14Before the break
28:15William Jr.
28:16Came to confront his father
28:17William Sr.
28:18You want to see what happened next?
28:20Take a look at this
28:20I don't know what anybody's saying
28:43Try to take a look at your own life
28:49Look at yourself
28:50Who are you?
28:51I'm her auntie
28:52Her auntie?
28:53No, she's my auntie
28:54Who's that?
29:05That's Mandy's
29:06Why's she got it in for Wee Willie?
29:08Because she knows the flippin' truth about Wee Willie
29:11The same as it has scissors does
29:13What is the truth about Wee Willie?
29:15What's he done wrong?
29:16He's got the mouth of little liar
29:18Right, let's get Big Willie on the Jeremy Kyle show
29:20He's coming that way
29:21Potential down
29:22You were six weeks old when you lost your mum
29:38Right
29:38I brought you up when I was five years old
29:40I met a friend
29:42I talked to you
29:43At five years old, six years old
29:45That's how it went
29:46There's no money in them boys
29:49I want my mum
29:51Why wouldn't you tell him where his mother's buried
29:55You horrible human beings
29:56They can bury him next to her
29:58Why not?
29:59Why not?
29:59Tell me
30:00Come on, tell me
30:01Why won't you give him the D's to his mother's grave?
30:04Well, my name is Gerald
30:05Because he wants to take that
30:06I'm not her auntie
30:08He has the right to be buried next to his blood mother
30:12Right or wrong?
30:13No
30:13Why not?
30:14Hold on a minute
30:16Does it not work Wee Willie?
30:18Go away instantly
30:19What did you say?
30:22You won't get them
30:22You won't give him
30:24Let's slow this down
30:25He won't get them
30:26I'm living
30:26You won't shut up
30:29Oh, you actually told her to be quiet
30:31Are you alright?
30:32Because there's a big thing there
30:33I'm not a good man
30:35You will not allow your son
30:37The deeds to where his real blood mother is buried
30:41Despite the fact since then
30:42You've had two wives
30:43And you seemingly are happy
30:44Shut up
30:45Sit down
30:47Leave him alone and sit down
30:49You want me to explain to you, no?
30:50I do
30:51But I want you to sit down
30:52Why would you not give your kid
30:54Who lost his mother
30:55Who's had two other women in his life for quite a while
30:59Why would you not give him
31:01The information he requires
31:03To one day be buried
31:04Next to his blood mother
31:05I'll tell you why
31:07He went to
31:07To get information
31:09Yes
31:10They said maggots buried
31:11The link in a totem
31:13Which I know
31:14Where it is as well
31:15He went up there
31:16One time with his girlfriend
31:17And said
31:19He couldn't find the grave
31:21Mate
31:22Can I just ask you the question again?
31:24Why would you not
31:26Give what information you have
31:28To your blood son
31:30So that one day
31:31He can be laid to rest
31:32Next to his mother
31:33Stop fanning around
31:35With the way you
31:35Then why did you say
31:37When you came out
31:38Over my dead body
31:39Why?
31:39Because he won't get him
31:40Why?
31:41Because he won't get him
31:42Why?
31:43I'm not getting them
31:44That doesn't make sense
31:48It does make sense
31:49Why?
31:50Because you're just what
31:50Because she's told you
31:51No
31:52Why then?
31:53He's not told me nothing
31:54Then why?
31:55Because he won't get him
31:55Then I'm
31:56If I ain't answer me
31:58I'll go there myself
31:59Not him
32:00Where do you want to go with my mother?
32:02It was his wife for ten years
32:03Who's Robert?
32:04Hey, that's my pal
32:05Robert the pals on the Jeremy Kyle show
32:07You need to grow up
32:13You need to be a father term
32:15You need to grow yourself a period
32:17The boy
32:18The boy
32:18The answers he needs
32:19He doesn't know
32:22When his mother died
32:24He gave her dad
32:25To put the women
32:26Over your own son
32:28Over your own flesh and blood
32:30No, I've not
32:31Yes, you have
32:32When your mum died
32:33He'll never know
32:34Anything about his mother
32:35The only person
32:35That can tell him
32:36Is you
32:37He's making
32:37I am not called Jerry
32:41Listen
32:41Robert, could you do me a favour
32:45And say what I told you
32:46Sit down
32:46But speak slowly
32:47No problem
32:47No, no
32:48Don't you listen to me
32:49With your mum
32:50Explain to me
32:51In words of one syllable
32:53Right
32:54You won't answer it
32:56But I will keep going
32:57What reason do you have
32:59Not
32:59I don't have to
33:00I don't want to
33:01What reason do you pin on the fact
33:04That you as his father
33:05Whatever is about the money
33:07Whatever he's done wrong
33:08Why will you not give him
33:10The information
33:11About the
33:12Or the deeds
33:13To where his mother's buried
33:14Explain
33:14Forget even speaking
33:16Why
33:16I wasn't going to
33:17Shut up
33:18Why
33:18He won't get up night
33:21Okay
33:22Why
33:23Because
33:23He's causing a lot
33:25Of problems with me
33:26You're a horrible
33:27Horrible
33:28Horrible man
33:29Do you know that
33:29And I'll tell you something else
33:31As well
33:31Be quiet
33:31Do you know why you won
33:33You've gone from woman
33:34To woman
33:35This kid
33:36This kid
33:37This kid has been left on his own
33:40His father has not been
33:41No no you listen to me
33:42Because these are the things
33:43That do my head in
33:44About this show right
33:45I spend my life
33:47Just you know
33:48Arguing for blokes
33:49To have the right
33:50To see their kids
33:51And then you
33:52Come out here
33:52This is your kid
33:54Maybe the mother
33:55And you weren't great
33:56Maybe she's dead
33:58Maybe you're on to wife
33:59Number three
33:59But you can't give me
34:01One reason
34:02Why you're denying this to him
34:04Other than your bitter
34:05Twisted
34:06Horrible attitude
34:07Is the reason
34:08And that ain't fair
34:09On that kid
34:09And do you know something
34:10He's better off
34:11Without you
34:12Because you're rubbish
34:13All he wants
34:17All he wants
34:18All he wants
34:19Is to be buried
34:20Near his mother
34:21And look at you
34:22You won't allow that
34:22Why is that
34:23No reason
34:24Go on
34:24Tell me
34:24Go on
34:25Go on
34:25Surprise me
34:26Big Willie
34:26Why
34:27Big Willie
34:28Why
34:29Anybody ever taken you
34:31I'll know
34:32Why won't you tell him
34:34Big Willie
34:34I'm just telling you
34:36He knows where his mum's grief is
34:38He's got
34:38Why won't you give him the deeds
34:41He won't get the deeds
34:42In my name
34:43They're in my name
34:44Not his name
34:45Go to court
34:46Get the legal
34:46And give them to him
34:48Give me a lawyer
34:49I'll tell you something
34:50I'll tell you where
34:51Okay
34:52Here's the thing
34:52Well I'll do it then
34:54Here's one thing
34:54That's interesting
34:55Right
34:55You said when you came out
34:57You didn't want him
34:58Buried next to her
34:59Right
34:59You're going to be buried
35:01Next to her
35:01He's not going to be buried
35:02Next to her
35:02Well that's what he said
35:03That's what he said
35:04That's what I'm going to be doing
35:06Oh there we go
35:06Look there we go
35:07Quick quick
35:07But here's the thing
35:08You know the woman
35:09You were in love with
35:10You had the baby with
35:12Yeah
35:12Yeah
35:12That she obviously hates
35:14But actually he still wants
35:15To lie down next to her
35:15After being with you
35:16Which is fantastic
35:17Honestly
35:19But here's the best thing
35:21Did you hate her
35:23Who
35:23Hate her
35:24His mother
35:25No
35:25Did it break your heart
35:26When she died
35:27Yes it did
35:28Well I wonder what the hell
35:29She'd be thinking of you
35:30Right now
35:30His real mum
35:37Right now
35:38Is looking at this
35:38And thinking
35:39The least you could do
35:40Is sort that deeds thing out
35:41Let him have the deeds
35:42Come on
35:43No
35:43What are you hiding?
35:46No hiding nothing
35:46Who's the gobby youngster
35:48What's she called?
35:49That's my niece Andrea
35:50Andrea's on the Jeremy Cowell show
35:51You need a right good
36:02Hard look in the mirror
36:02By the way
36:03What about your bell?
36:04How about myself?
36:06I've no done
36:06Have you done
36:07I'm done
36:08I've done
36:09my wife
36:09I'm done
36:10I'm done
36:11I'm done
36:12I'm done
36:12You're wrong
36:13I'm done
36:14You're Rob
36:15You're wrong
36:15She's talking about you
36:16all the time
36:16You're all
36:18You're right
36:20Oh
36:37Shall I tell you something
36:50I'll give you a chance because this doesn't say anything tell me him here. How old are you? Shut up?
36:55No, thank you. What do you think not with these two you would I think what has he done?
37:01That causes this reaction look at me talk to me calmly all these lies name right? He's
37:10Right, okay, I'm sorry. You think he's had a particularly bad upbringing
37:14Mmm, personally, I don't know if you were in his right, but no
37:17But that's I'm talking to you nicely now, right? So if you
37:22Were brought up by a woman who you thought was your mother then you discover
37:26It's not then you get told in a drunken moment that your mother's dead then another stepmother no disrespect to you comes
37:32talking to you
37:36Whatever do you think that you might perhaps in your quest for attention or
37:42the injustice of your position you might spin a few yarns speak a bit of BS hear me
37:48I'm not making excuses, but don't you think is you're all right mate? You're all right look at me. I know you're all right
37:53Out of spite he won't let him have these days
37:55No, it's the problems and the lies, right? No, but it's all he wants is his mother's grave details
38:01Why? Because he wants to be buried next to her. There would be nobody stopping him from getting buried, but why won't he give him-
38:07But he doesn't have to, those are Billy's deeds, right? But Billy could do the right thing
38:12That's total up to Billy. You could do the right thing. You might find your son's behaviour changed if he is your son. Why are we doing a DNA by the way?
38:18Well, well, it's him that's going to tell us about who's mother's. Oh, there we go. She's off again. What?
38:22I'll tell you why he's going to do this. Why do you always say I'll tell you why instead of just down more telling me why?
38:27Why don't you just get on with it? I'll tell you, I'll tell you. Because I've got to finish. Get on with it!
38:30Now, I've all gone with it.
38:32Now!
38:33Okay.
38:34He told his, he was told by certain people I wasn't his father. That's why I'm doing the test.
38:41I bet he wishes you weren't because you haven't been much of a dad, have you?
38:44Who's Charlene? Who's Charlene? Charlene's my wife.
38:48Charlene, Charlene's my wife. Good on you, Robbie. Charlene's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
38:52A
39:00That's his man. You. Don't talk to him like that reason cause you know nothing. Kool once said he hurt.
39:04All right?
39:05But thank god she I see that. Right?
39:08So, I, ty, you, Iisiaj went to believe of him, you can be that way. Right?
39:13You're believing everything she say to you. We're going to love him.
39:16Pat took the shop the other day there.
39:19And we sat in it with any of this.
39:20I'm just trying to prove a point is a lie. I'm coming back up.
39:23No, you're listening to a toothy. I'm not this yet, but no.
39:26I'm getting hurt. I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here.
39:28I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here.
39:29So you need a fan of a toothy.
39:32And you need to be a fan of a dirty hand.
39:35Sit down, sit down.
39:38Let's spin it round, then. Let's spin it round for you, okay?
39:42Let's, let's assume that you think that you've had a hard time from him and maybe...
39:47I don't think it. I'm absolutely flipping shooting that.
39:50Right, thank you.
39:52Tell me, how long have you been in his life?
39:54Fifteen years from September.
39:56Nobody else be, you've had your say.
39:58Tell me why it's been so unfair to you. What has he done?
40:00He just wants his daddy all to himself.
40:03If he doesn't get his own way, he throws out the dummy.
40:06Marianne, hear me out, right? Don't you think it's just a kid crying out for attention?
40:10He's been crying out for attention for the day he was spat out.
40:13But what has he done so well?
40:15You're a suck in the heap!
40:17Spatty, but the Spatty he was born, the two them loved each other and had them.
40:21She's no mother, she'll never know how it feels to have a child not having.
40:24Robert, he's gave us a lot of hassle.
40:26Before the polls!
40:27Before the polls!
40:28Before the polls!
40:29Before the polls!
40:30Before the polls!
40:31Before the polls!
40:32I want to shush you!
40:33Oi!
40:34Oi!
40:35Oi!
40:36Oi!
40:37Oi!
40:38Oi!
40:39Oi!
40:40Oi!
40:41Oi!
40:42Oi!
40:43Oi!
40:44Oi!
40:45Oi!
40:58What have you done!
40:59Oi!
41:00Oi!
41:01Oi!
41:02Oi!
41:03You said he wants his dad all of the time. Is that such a damn crime when your mother's died?
41:08I don't stop him forgetting his father!
41:09Yes you have!
41:10I don't stop him forgetting his father!
41:11Yes you have! He doesn't say anything!
41:13He stood up and you said sit down and lie!
41:15Come on!
41:20I saw it!
41:21Are you jealous of what they had?
41:22No.
41:23Are you sure?
41:24I'm positive.
41:25And I'm not having a go at you, but whether you chose to have kids or sadly weren't able to,
41:28maybe you don't like the fact that he's got a child.
41:30I don't give a monkey how many kids he would have had.
41:33Then why don't you let him get on with this?
41:35And more importantly, if you're such a decent person, I'm sure you are,
41:38why don't you tell your husband he should get on with his estranged son?
41:41Isn't that what you're supposed to do if you're a fair-minded individual?
41:44I have, I have heard of seeing that.
41:46Well it obviously hasn't damn well worked. You're on the Jeremy Carr show.
41:49See what ever problem they two have got, right?
41:51For whatever reason, right?
41:52I've seen and I've witnessed it and I've even spoke to her.
41:55Willie, Willie, let me ask, let me try one more time.
41:58You said, and I'm not being disrespectful to you, Marianne, at all.
42:01Put that picture up for me.
42:04You know who that is?
42:06Yes, I know who that is.
42:07That's my mother.
42:08Bless your heart.
42:10I know who it is.
42:11Right, she's your mother, right?
42:12He was six.
42:13You're doing it again.
42:14I'm not, Marianne, you've had your say, with the greatest respect,
42:16you can be as painful as you want.
42:17You loved that woman, did you?
42:18Yes.
42:19I wonder what she'd think right now, the way you're treating your son.
42:21Pardon me.
42:22It works both ways, but...
42:24Would she not want her baby next to her?
42:27That's all I'm asking you.
42:29Don't see him.
42:30Don't talk to him.
42:31Be ostracised.
42:32Be happy with Marianne.
42:33If he's being disrespectful, I support you.
42:34But you know what?
42:35The very least you should leave here today.
42:37It's almost like, you know, if you'd come out here and you'd said,
42:40he's done this, he's done that.
42:41It's almost like you're scoring points and you're trying to punish him.
42:44That's why you won't give him these deeds.
42:45Give me that DNA result, please.
42:47So why did he go for a DNA test?
42:50I've got no idea, babe, because I think a lot of him is just lashing out to get a reaction.
42:54Why did he go for a DNA test?
42:57Because he wants his daddy's life.
42:59His daddy's life.
43:00And you know for a fight, you cannot sit there and say his daddy accepted him.
43:05Be honest.
43:06Are you embarrassed?
43:07Shush, shush, shush.
43:08Everybody, oi.
43:09Hello, everybody be quiet.
43:10Shush.
43:11Are you embarrassed by your potential son?
43:13Yes.
43:14What he's going to do to me now?
43:19What?
43:20Willy?
43:21We're going to do...
43:22No, no, no, no, no.
43:23You're going to do a joke.
43:24I'm going to do a joke.
43:25How can you sit up to respond there and say your father turning out and you're already
43:35me?
43:36You shouldn't be saying him naturally after.
43:38Excuse me.
43:39I've never done this.
43:40He's done it on spite of everybody, not me.
43:42Right, Willy, look at me.
43:43Do you trust me?
43:44Do you trust me?
43:45Do you trust me?
43:46Do you trust me?
43:48He is your biological father.
43:51He's your dad.
43:53He's your son.
43:55Can I just take you back?
43:57How old are you?
43:5832.
43:59He'll be 33 soon.
44:01I'll take you back 32 years when you were with his mother.
44:04I understand, and I want you to understand what I'm going to say.
44:06Can I get up?
44:07Please?
44:08Let's not argue.
44:09Just leave it to me.
44:11You know when you were with his mum, you were young, you were in love, you had this baby.
44:15Did you ever foresee this?
44:16No.
44:17No, I didn't.
44:18You didn't know that she was going to die?
44:19But I just...
44:20Oh, no.
44:21It probably won't work, but I just want to appeal to you as a man.
44:25Right?
44:26He said before the break he's an embarrassment, he's made mistakes, he's done things.
44:30Sir, have you?
44:31Everybody learns about mistakes.
44:33Right.
44:34What he's never had, in my humble opinion, is a role model, is a consistent relationship
44:40with a blood relative.
44:42In his mind, he lost his mother, and then he lost you again.
44:47I think you are wrong, by the way, to blame Marianne.
44:50I think that any woman that came into your father's life, in your mind as you grew up
44:54and you knew your story, was going to get your anger.
44:57Right?
44:58Um, this is about you two.
45:01It's your boy.
45:03Now somewhere, hear me out, and you can tell me to get lost.
45:08Somewhere in here, unless you put this right, whatever your wider family know, whatever
45:15he might say or do, you will regret this on your deathbed.
45:19I don't expect you to leave here linking arms, thinking the whole world's a great place.
45:24But really, as a father, really as a man, really as a human being, legally, with our help,
45:30to give him those deeds, means an awful lot to him.
45:33And in terms of where it would put you as a father, morally, you look at the moment,
45:40when I ask you it, like, you're just keeping it from him out of spite.
45:45And I actually believe you're better than that.
45:47Talk to him.
45:48Can I say something to you, right?
45:50If he stops, just carry on.
45:52Let me speak.
45:55If he stops, just carry on all the lies, I'll try my best to be a father to him.
46:01Right, and what?
46:02If it doesn't...
46:03Take it nicely.
46:04If it doesn't...
46:05Can we do this?
46:06Can we help?
46:07Yes, you can help.
46:08I really admire what you've said since February.
46:10Can we work on the deance thing, please?
46:12Right, but what else, Gerry, right?
46:15Right?
46:16Jeremy, sorry.
46:17Right?
46:18What else, right?
46:19He didn't know his mum, right?
46:24I was there.
46:25I had all the pain for five years.
46:27Did you ever...
46:28Did you ever look your son in the eyes and say, I loved your mum and I missed her?
46:31I told him that a few times.
46:32How do you think it feels for him?
46:34How do you think I feel now?
46:35I've still got photographs in the house there.
46:37I have asked you for photos and I've never ever gave me them.
46:40I don't know the one...
46:41I know why you won't do that.
46:42I wouldn't got the one...
46:43Because it hurts you still, doesn't it?
46:44Yes, I wouldn't know the one for her.
46:45She was the love of your life, wasn't she?
46:46Yes.
46:47For ten years.
46:48But here's the thing.
46:49He didn't have that.
46:50All I'm asking...
46:51And he's right, okay?
46:52There are certain things that...
46:54And this is where you have to help me out.
46:55There are things you've done and things you've said...
46:58I've not done anything.
46:59That's the sad part.
47:00There are behaviours that you've done to get attention that you probably would...
47:04I've never had attention.
47:05Wait, let me speak.
47:06Right, on you go.
47:07Willie, I need you to help me on this because I'm pushing as far as I can.
47:10You've made mistakes with them, haven't you?
47:12Come on.
47:13I've never made any mistakes.
47:14I keep myself at my cell.
47:16In terms of your behaviour, at times you could have behaved better is all I'm asking you.
47:21Aye.
47:22Right, that's it.
47:23So that's a meeting.
47:24Now...
47:25We...
47:26That's what we do.
47:27It's a big journey, raw.
47:29We will work with you.
47:30All I'm saying to you is...
47:31Her?
47:32This is between you two and her.
47:34She would have wanted us to at least try.
47:37When you try, with our help, in the rooms, and the work, you have to listen.
47:42You have to not point score.
47:44You have to meet in the middle.
47:47I admire what you said and I want the same from you.
47:49No, I'll ask you something.
47:50Why...
47:51Why this is why you've always thrown the pose on me.
47:53You're doing it, you do it, you see.
47:54Now, here we go.
47:55And this is what I'm going to say and I'm going to send you to Graeme.
47:57Do you know why?
47:58Right now, let's forget Marianne, let's forget Robert.
48:01This is about you two.
48:03When you go into that room, if you go, your wife's this, your mate's this, your husband...
48:08You two.
48:09And what she would have wanted.
48:11And I think she would have wanted you two to talk, to try and find some common ground,
48:15to sort out the deeds, and that's the point.
48:17Yes or no?
48:18Yes.
48:19Shake my hand.
48:20Yes or no?
48:21Yes.
48:22Shake each other's hand now.
48:23Go that way.
48:24Let's sort it out.
48:25APPLAUSE
48:26Go on your job.
48:28Nice way to end today.
48:32We'll let you know.
48:33That's all we have time for.
48:34Thanks for watching.
48:35We'll see you very soon.
48:36Take care, bye-bye for now.
48:37Bye-bye.
48:38Bye-bye.
48:39Bye-bye.
48:40Bye-bye.
48:41Bye-bye.
48:57Bye-bye.
48:58Goodbye, bye-bye, bye-bye.
49:06I'll see you next time.