The Jeremy Kyle Show- 8th October 2018
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00:10On today's show, you're with Wiggy's ex. That's Emma.
00:14Yes.
00:14I'm here for him to stand up and be a dad to them kids' ad.
00:20How would you sum him up?
00:21A word plus peace.
00:30It's not you, is it? You sat in there being a little f***er because you got your foot out there.
00:38What's your language?
00:39And you turned round and said no.
00:41How are you?
00:41I'm your friend.
00:43Did I ask you to get a book?
00:44I don't care.
00:44You've done everything for the kids.
00:46Kylie, Kylie's my best.
00:48I've done everything for them kids.
00:51Let me spot me seeing it.
00:53You're a liar.
00:55I'm going liar.
00:56You're the one who dumped your son and took your daughter.
01:00You don't know the answer.
01:02Debbie.
01:02Get in the hall.
01:03It's got nothing in you.
01:04It's their kids.
01:05No, it's not.
01:06It's their kids.
01:06It's their kids.
01:07Nothing in you.
01:08Give me a mouth shut up.
01:09Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:29So, right, the first guest today, Brian, is here to confront his wife's ex, Wiggy.
01:34Great name.
01:35As he says, he's a useless deadbeat sperm donor and has done nothing but women before his kids.
01:40He says that Wiggy's children call him dad and he even plans on adopting them.
01:44He says, basically, today, right, this waste of space is going to know that I'm an amazing father.
01:51Brian's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
01:53So, you, Brian, you're with Wiggy's ex.
02:05That's Emma.
02:06Yes.
02:06How long have you been with him, her?
02:08Seven years.
02:10Seven years?
02:11It's like you're reading this story this morning.
02:13I was thinking, whoa.
02:15You're here because he's no sort of father.
02:19No, he's not.
02:20Are you here to name and shame him?
02:22What are you here to do?
02:23I'm here for him to stand up and be a dad to them kids' dad.
02:26Otherwise, I want him to sign all the rights over to me to have got them kids.
02:30And I also want to lie detector testing him on him because I know he's cheated on her.
02:33Well, this is what I didn't understand when I read this this morning.
02:35You and your missus, Emma, want him to do a lie detector test on the fact that when he was with her, he cheated.
02:39That was seven years ago.
02:41Why the hell does it matter?
02:42Because in that seven years he's been with her, he traumatised the woman.
02:45So, she has got a right to know if he's cheated on her.
02:47But surely you could argue that by bringing it back up, then that's going to cause her problems again.
02:51Why wouldn't you just let it go?
02:53You say he's a nasty, well, waste of space, cheated on his wife, he's a lanky, scruffy tramp, and he stinks, and he looks like Shrek.
03:00Yeah.
03:01Have you met him before?
03:12I've met him loads of times.
03:14Yeah?
03:14He thinks he's tall, he thinks he scares people, he's nothing.
03:17You say I've raised his kids on a serious note.
03:19I've raised his kids, well, the daughter, I've raised her from being four-month-old.
03:23She's never asked for anything, he's never paid a penny towards them kids, he's not even been there as a father for her.
03:28So, my team, if it was up to me, you know, he'd have no contact at all, I've done everything.
03:32Why do you think he hasn't done more?
03:33Because he don't, he's happy to go and see his women, meet women once got kids, and sooner look after their kids than his own kids he's even got.
03:40Has he seen them at all? Has he paid for them? Has he done anything?
03:42He's not paid a penny for none of them.
03:44He's seen the daughter probably eight times max, his son, he had him up till March, and even his own son didn't want to go back to him.
03:52So, you've told us a lot of things, you've said he's a benefit sheep.
03:55Yeah, he's told me he's working, but he's also said he's claiming benefits, so why's that work?
03:59Um, shut up, you're like, it's going to go well, isn't it, today? I can see it all happening.
04:07Um, on a serious note, what I didn't understand, when she and he split, so your Mrs. Emma split with Wiggy.
04:15Yes.
04:15They took a child each.
04:17That was down to court.
04:19Parent trap all over again. I'd just like to say, I think it's just the wrong thing you should do.
04:23I don't think you should split kids up, because the relationship splits up, I don't see how it works.
04:26So, I want facts here. Your Mrs. had the daughter, he had the son.
04:31Yeah.
04:31In March this year, your wife partner got full custody. Why?
04:36Yes, because Jason's not a very good person. He thinks more of a beer.
04:42You mean Wiggy?
04:43More Wiggy Jason.
04:43Was the child taken off him?
04:47Yeah, I took him off him.
04:48But the court gave full custody to them?
04:50To the mother.
04:51Why?
04:52Because of the deadbeat father.
04:54Isn't it true that he was drunk and a fire started in his flat?
04:57Listen, he's drunk, he set fire to his own ass.
04:59Yeah.
05:00He's never really looked after his son, because his son's always been dirty.
05:03His own ex-wife, what's defending him, has even rung us up and told us to fetch him off him, because he's neglecting him.
05:09But if that's the case, why is it that the very courts who apparently gave full custody to Emma, your Mrs., are still allowing him unsupervised contact with the child?
05:19If he's a danger to a child, or a drunk, or somebody that's sex fired to a flat, it's not for me to judge that.
05:24But how come he's allowed near the child, if that's the truth?
05:27Because the court said that he's got to build a bond with these children.
05:31Surely that would be supervised.
05:33Well, I'm going off what court said.
05:34Court's told him he's got to have his visits.
05:36I just want to find out.
05:37For him to get a bond with them to.
05:38Do you want him to step up, or do you want him to step back?
05:39I want him to step up.
05:40If he's not going to step up, then I want him to walk off and have nothing to do with him.
05:43You don't like the guy?
05:44How would you sum him up?
05:46A worthless piece of...
05:48Oh!
05:50The week is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
06:00Sit down.
06:01Shut up.
06:02My kid's not yours.
06:03I don't know how you do.
06:03You've never been a father with ten kids.
06:05Seriously?
06:06Seriously?
06:06You don't know how you do their arse of this stuff.
06:09It's not you, is it?
06:10Because you've...
06:11Come on, then.
06:13You've sat in there being a little **** because you've got your women looking after you.
06:17Like the **** back there.
06:19Oi!
06:20What's your language?
06:23Wiggy.
06:23Don't come trying to meck out.
06:25Yes, mate.
06:26What sort of father are you?
06:28I'm a brilliant dad, but Wendell let me.
06:29But you had the child taken off because you got drunk.
06:31And your flat was burnt down, mate.
06:32You could have endangered your child's life.
06:34Why would you do that?
06:35No.
06:35I had a drink.
06:36I had no kids in my house.
06:38My cook...
06:38Cooker...
06:39Got a...
06:40Well, I was cooking food.
06:41Obviously, five of a day come.
06:42It got sorted out.
06:43There was no kids in the house.
06:44But was that why you lost custody?
06:46No, it's not.
06:47Why, then?
06:48Because they used my daughter as a weapon.
06:51I was supposed to have a **** for the weekend.
06:54They didn't let me...
06:54Didn't let me know in time, so I couldn't arrange their transport because I don't drive.
06:58You told my team that as far as you're concerned, Brian and Emma are brainwashing those children.
07:03You say that this man loves being the centre of attention.
07:06I hate him for what he's doing.
07:08He's a bully and he is the problem.
07:10And also, you go further and you say, she's not a great mum.
07:12I'm being slagged off left, right and centre, but I'm not a bad dad.
07:16Yeah.
07:16Do you pay for your kids?
07:17Er, Matt, er, I do.
07:19Obviously, my ex tells me what he needs.
07:21I go out, I get it, and I take it round for him.
07:23Do you provide money for those children, yes or no?
07:26I've asked them to send me the bank details because it's just got sorted through child maintenance
07:30and I'm still waiting for it.
07:32Seven years, mate, that is.
07:33So you've not paid a penny in seven years.
07:35They haven't had him seven years.
07:37It's only this year.
07:38So the girl, surely you were paying for the girl.
07:39Well, obviously, I had...
07:41In my custody, they had...
07:42Er, you've gone very quiet.
07:44Makes me laugh.
07:45Just don't use disgusting language.
07:47In the old time, when this all got shut out, we paid you...
07:50No, you didn't.
07:51Yes, we did.
07:52We paid you.
07:52We sent you money and you got...
07:54When?
07:55This will back to 2013, so you know I'm right.
07:58You've not paid a penny for crying.
08:01We've asked you for money for uniforms.
08:03You have not paid a...
08:04Last week, and I asked you...
08:07They needed for school, and you turned around and said no.
08:12Send you the money and you'll find it.
08:13Two weeks, man.
08:14Who are you?
08:15Sure you are.
08:16Did I ask you to get involved?
08:17I don't care.
08:18Fair enough, I'll show up then.
08:20The fact is, you've got two kids to Emma.
08:23You've never been bothered about because she is not a boy.
08:26Is that right?
08:27That's no problem.
08:27Really?
08:27If you've got boys, what about then?
08:29When we went to Lincoln, you brought them two a pound toy each.
08:32You brought her kids a £30.
08:34Hold on, hold on, hold on a minute.
08:35Hold on a minute.
08:35Cherry, sorry.
08:36No, no, you're Wiggy's new girlfriend.
08:38What were you saying?
08:39I was cousin here with a shouting.
08:40They messaged him saying that they needed school uniform for the children.
08:43Yeah.
08:43He messaged them back saying, send me a list of what you want.
08:46I'll order it from Asda's and we'll get it delivered direct to your door.
08:49You are a damn liar.
08:51Really?
08:52Yes.
08:53I am, yes.
08:54There was messages on his phone.
08:56There's nothing.
08:56Get him up then.
08:58Because he has not sent us anything asking what they want, what they need or what.
09:01We asked four times what they needed because you said you were for two days later.
09:05Oh my goodness.
09:06He texted me sadly when he never turned up to see his kids.
09:09Give me the bank details.
09:10The train was delayed on Saturday.
09:11He went out on the Friday and bought presents and everything for the kids.
09:14The train got delayed on Saturday.
09:15I phoned you up and said that the train was late.
09:18And you and Emma said that you were not prepared to wait.
09:21Have you done enough?
09:23If they let me, I will do enough.
09:24Why wouldn't you let him do more?
09:25Because he had done nothing.
09:26He's a waste of meat of a father.
09:28My other part of this story is apparently, did you or did you not cheat on Emma?
09:32But you haven't been with her for seven years.
09:34Why does anybody care?
09:35I didn't even know the woman back then.
09:37Well, apparently, according to Emma, who's coming out after the break,
09:40she reckons that you and Charlotte, who aren't together anymore,
09:43but this is an interesting twist to the story.
09:45You got with Charlotte after you and Emma split up.
09:48Emma thinks...
09:48I got with...
09:49Emma thinks that you and Charlotte were at it, but anyway, you say no.
09:53We're a completely different woman.
09:54Interestingly, if he's such an appalling father, right,
09:57he went with Charlotte, had a baby with Charlotte,
10:00stayed for a while with Charlotte.
10:02That didn't work.
10:03She's here saying he's a good dad and you're in the wrong.
10:05How does that work out?
10:06How does that work?
10:07Emma, Charlotte, and a lot more after this.
10:09Be quiet.
10:10Back, back, back in three.
10:12Really?
10:13I've done everything for your kids.
10:14What are you doing?
10:14You've done everything for the kids.
10:16I've done everything for the kids.
10:16I've done everything for them kids.
10:21And he's got me seeing it.
10:23And he says that you stopped him seeing her daughter.
10:27I'm a liar!
10:29I'm a liar!
10:30Do you think you're being lied to?
10:37Do you have evidence to prove it,
10:39like home videos, recordings, or texts,
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11:09Thank you very much indeed.
11:10Welcome back for the break, Brian and Wiggy.
11:12Brian came out and he said,
11:13you know what, I'm with Emma, I've been with her a long, long time.
11:16Two kids, a boy and a girl from this ex-Wiggy,
11:19he's a waste of space, he's done nothing.
11:20When they split up, it was parent trap.
11:22Emma had the girl, he had the boy.
11:24In March this year, because of certain things,
11:26the child, the boy came to live with us,
11:28he doesn't pay, he doesn't bother, he doesn't see them.
11:30I am going to adopt these kids
11:32if this guy doesn't step up.
11:34Not unless I'm dead.
11:35You can't stop it.
11:36Of course I can.
11:37I can, yeah.
11:38The fact is, you're a deadbeat father,
11:40you're a spongebob, now that's it.
11:41Well, just because you...
11:42Come on then, so what actually have you done for your daughter?
11:44Come on, in all this time, what are you going to wear?
11:47You will not let me.
11:48I have to go through here instead of her mum.
11:50Is Emma your ex?
11:51Controlling for Dixon.
11:52Is that...
11:53Is that...
11:53Is that...
11:54Is that Emma your ex?
11:55Huh?
11:56Is that it?
11:56She going, that's what you said every year.
11:58Hello, is Emma your ex?
12:00Yeah.
12:00Emma's on the Jeremy Karcher that way.
12:01You're a lying little f***ing, you know who you are.
12:12Where's his message then?
12:14Huh?
12:14School uniform.
12:15Where is it?
12:16Come on.
12:17On my phone.
12:18Go...
12:18Show it then.
12:19I'm supposed to finish off.
12:20I've sent you messages saying we need money for uniforms.
12:23You're a poignant liar.
12:24Really?
12:24I've done everything for your kids.
12:25What have you done?
12:26You've done everything for the kids.
12:28Kylie, Kylie may be.
12:30Kylie may be.
12:31You've done everything for your kids.
12:33Not Aidan.
12:33And your daughter.
12:34What you do?
12:35Wiggy.
12:36You shouldn't have talked to him.
12:37Why don't you let Emma speak?
12:38Go on then.
12:39Welcome to the show.
12:40Why are you bothered whether he cheated on you seven years ago when you don't want anything to do with him?
12:44What the hell is this all about?
12:45He's still in love with me.
12:46It's got to be obvious.
12:48You are a rat.
12:51Definitely.
12:52You wish.
12:53Are you in love with him?
12:55No.
12:56Oh, I hate what it is.
12:57Is that you do love with Matt, don't mind him.
12:59No, the reason I want to know is cheating because I want to prove to them b**** in there.
13:04Who are those what?
13:06Them b**** in there.
13:08Right, that's Charlotte.
13:10Charlotte is.
13:11I want to prove to everyone that he's a liar.
13:14Oh, shut up, you.
13:15If he's such an appalling father, why, can I just, can we just calm down a minute, right?
13:23When you split this parent trap, you have the girl, he has the boy.
13:26How does that benefit your kids?
13:28If he's such an appalling father, such, shut up, such a lowlife, such a waste of space, and I'm just refereeing this,
13:35why don't you allow him to have your son for five years, six years then?
13:38Why don't you go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
13:41Oh, it's a big choir.
13:42Why don't you go, I'm the child's mother, I don't trust him, he's a waste of space, I'm having both my kids.
13:47Why do you let one of your kids with him if he's such a nightmare then?
13:50How could I take him when internet wouldn't even let me near him?
13:54Which is what he's, which, hello, which is what he's saying you are doing to his daughter all that time as well.
14:04When we split, I got you a new phone, you was messaging him, sending him a dirty video, his pictures, and there.
14:08It was saying, no, it was sending him a connection, no, no, no.
14:11Who was sending what?
14:12You left, you left, and left, Aidan and Kylie in my care for two weeks before you got it.
14:17You lia.
14:19You lia.
14:21You lia.
14:26You are lia.
14:29Did you send him dirty videos?
14:31No.
14:33Listen, I was talking about, excuse me, I'm not talking to you.
14:36She has never sent me no videos. That was you being a f***er.
14:43You're angry. You know most people watching this might actually assume that you're homophobic me old son.
14:48The language you're using.
14:50Wash your mouth out and shut up because you're the...
14:56Emma, Emma. You're the one who said in the midst of that and is about the kids and is about the kids.
15:01The kids are now with you. Apparently we can't go too much into March.
15:04Has he had anything to do with them? No. Why?
15:08I'll shut up. So interestingly the woman that he ended up with when he left you is a girl called Charlotte.
15:13They had a kid. They were happy. I can't believe what I read.
15:16She's shut up.
15:18She split up with you because you cheated on her and yet she says you're one of the most loyal men she's ever met.
15:23Charlotte's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
15:34Come on then. Come on then. Let's hear it. Come on.
15:36You're such a great mum. I've raised your son for three years.
15:38Come on then. Come on then. He come back.
15:39That's why I was raising a f***er then.
15:40I knew I said you weren't raising a f***er then.
15:41I knew I said you weren't raising a f***er then.
15:42Did I grant you to you?
15:43No, you didn't.
15:44You gave me abuse.
15:45Your child both of you told me to throw myself down the stairs when I was pregnant with a f***er.
15:49Yes, she did.
15:50Yes, she did.
15:51The message is on his phone from recently after you got a f***er back.
15:54Calling our son who's disabled a f***er.
15:57Oh my, you've got a f***er.
15:59No, I didn't.
16:00Yeah, you did.
16:01He's got a message.
16:02I'm the f***er in the back.
16:04I did not, thank you very much.
16:05Yes, you did.
16:06When did I say this?
16:07Please, give me Tony Day.
16:08He's got a message on the phone.
16:09You calling my son a f***er.
16:10Can I ask you a question?
16:11Welcome to the show.
16:12Can you seriously stop dominating this or I'll get you off the stage?
16:15He's a control freak.
16:16You can't help it.
16:17Pretty weird for somebody who was with somebody, got cheated on, is no longer with him, to say he's a very good man.
16:23Is he a good father?
16:24He's a good dad.
16:25Don't get me wrong.
16:26What happened between me and him?
16:27It happened.
16:28That's it.
16:29That was to do with us, not to do with our kids.
16:30Well, our son.
16:31And he's a brilliant dad to him.
16:32So what's your view of the Emma situation?
16:33I find it slightly strange the kids were split.
16:35I worry about the fact, I want to say to you.
16:37What happened was.
16:38Can I speak?
16:39That he was allowed to have this kid for six, seven years if he was such an appalling man and did such a good job.
16:43We know because we checked that for three years you played mum to that child.
16:46I repeat to you and you did not even answer me.
16:48Any mother worth their sort, if they thought the dad was what you think he is, would have taken both of those children and looked after them themselves.
16:55Me too.
16:56But you allowed-
16:57No, I haven't finished.
16:58You had the police escort.
16:59You allowed to do it.
17:01You're a liar!
17:03I'm going liar!
17:05I got told that Steven was me dad.
17:09I got told that he went to the shop for a pint and milk and left.
17:12What does today mean?
17:14Just for answers.
17:15I'm just like, the same years, me dad.
17:18If this is the answer that she's wanted for 32 years, then that's putting a family back together, isn't it?
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18:00Can I speak to Charlotte?
18:11Oi, I didn't.
18:12The four-month-old baby, she needed a mum, right?
18:16She came back with a police escort, took her daughter, left her son.
18:20We met in the August.
18:21Obviously, I had two kids already.
18:23One was a baby because there's only six weeks between my son.
18:26Obviously, come back.
18:28Me and him were fine.
18:29We got together.
18:30We moved in together.
18:31So the lady who's the mother in all of this has taken her mic off and has left the studio
18:35because she doesn't like the fact that we questioned her, yeah?
18:37Excuse me one second.
18:38No disrespect to you.
18:39You lot stop shouting at each other because you're not getting anywhere, are you?
18:43Fact remains.
18:44It's about the children.
18:47We all need to stop swearing and stop shouting and sit down and calm down here a minute.
18:52Talk to me.
18:53Right, just, just, just, just, just, just, just sit here.
18:57Talk to me.
18:58I couldn't think for them kids.
19:01Right, can I, can I,
19:02And he stopped me seeing a, a, a.
19:04But he says that you stopped him seeing the daughter.
19:08I think the problem with this whole thing is that the kids were split up in the first instance.
19:13That's what I think.
19:14I think that at that moment, whoever made that decision, I know the two of you didn't, they split the families.
19:19I've got him, she's got her.
19:22Horrible.
19:23She just said out there, and you need to answer it.
19:25You can run off and get upset, but we're trying to resolve this.
19:27At the end of the day, she said that you were quite happy to leave your daughter and your son, which she looked after for two weeks, and then you came back and took the daughter.
19:35He made me two, so I choose.
19:37Why?
19:38Because she was only four months.
19:40Because of the decision that was taken, you got closer to your daughter.
19:44And actually what I've been trying to say is, for me, the really bad thing about this whole thing is that the kids were split up and the parents were put in that position.
19:52But, that's what I said at the beginning of the show, I don't quite understand this whole, you know, did he cheat or not.
19:57The fact is, we're here today, right?
20:00It's not ideal.
20:01It's not ideal for the kids.
20:03And this has to be about your children.
20:05So, you can run off and everything, and I get you got upset, but you must have come here for a reason.
20:09What was it?
20:10Obviously, I just wanted to step up.
20:13It's that pain with the kids.
20:14So, yes.
20:15Let's use that as what you're...
20:17Take that.
20:18Let's get this back on if we can do that.
20:20Can we please, please, stop having people screaming and shouting, because I'm done with it, if I'm really honest with all of you?
20:27And I said it out there.
20:29This family, you two split up.
20:31They then split up the kids, and the kids become weapons that you both presumably, presumably used it.
20:38They didn't split up the kids.
20:39You were saying...
20:40I was saying, obviously, when...
20:42Obviously, in October, obviously, this is when we were together, October 2012, we had...
20:47together, for the weekend, and the following weekend, Emma had...
20:51together.
20:52And then, she...
20:54didn't bring it back.
20:55Then we started going through co-op seedings, because...
20:57to get back, and so we could see...
20:59because he didn't want to take...
21:00mum, because she was settled with her mum.
21:03And then, in the July, the following year, 2013, just after we had had our son, we got a phone call saying,
21:09come to Lincoln next weekend, and you can have...
21:11Then we got a phone call for hours later, saying, come to Mansfield, and you can have...
21:15and this was when...
21:17was three years old, and he went to Mansfield, he collected...
21:20and we had...
21:22well, he had...
21:23from then, up until...
21:24March.
21:25You see...
21:26I raised...
21:27for three years.
21:28I don't mean to be rude, but does she come across as a wholly unreasonable woman?
21:31No.
21:32I have four boys of my own, and don't get me wrong, I understand how much your kids mean to you.
21:36I love my boys, no matter what, but I would have never, ever split my children up.
21:41But...
21:42but...
21:43but...
21:44nobody's slagged you off as a bad mother.
21:46What this is all about, is a decision was taken, and the two of you have run with that decision.
21:51The kids have been split up, and people are posturing.
21:54Why are we doing a lie detector when they didn't get together till October?
21:57I had just had a baby.
21:58What the hell is this all about, really?
21:59I had just give birth, or I was still pregnant when you're using it.
22:02And who's this...
22:03who's this Debbie woman?
22:04Debbie has been best friends with Wiggy for nine years.
22:06He's been around since the beginning.
22:08Debbie's on the Jeremy Carr show.
22:09Give her a round of applause.
22:14You're a liar!
22:15I'm a liar!
22:17Yes!
22:18You're a liar!
22:19You're the one who dumped your son and took your daughter.
22:22You're a liar!
22:23You're a liar!
22:24You don't know the opposite, Debbie.
22:25You don't know Debbie.
22:26You just like to make out you do it.
22:27Why are you getting involved?
22:28It's got nothing serious!
22:29It's their kids!
22:30No, it's not!
22:31It's their kids!
22:32It's not nothing serious!
22:33These teachers are kids!
22:34Why are you being allowed to show?
22:35Why are you being allowed to show?
22:36Why are you being allowed to show?
22:37Why are you being allowed to show?
22:38Because I'm with his best mate, and I'm Charlotte's best mate!
22:40Would you say, when you run up saying, you've got a choice, make your mind if you're on the
22:44daughter or the son?
22:45Roger!
22:46No!
22:47You're a...
22:48He told her if she could only have...
22:49He locked...
22:50He locked...
22:51No, hold on!
22:52He locked...
22:53I'm taking both of them.
22:54I would turn around and say, no, they're both of them.
22:55I would turn around and say, no, they're both of them.
22:56I'm taking both of them up.
22:57I'm taking both of them up.
22:58I'm taking both of them up.
22:59I'm taking both of them up.
23:00I'm taking both of them up.
23:01It's like I have both of my children.
23:02Obviously she met you.
23:03Right.
23:04I'll tell you what.
23:05I'll tell you.
23:06Hello!
23:07Hello!
23:08Hello!
23:09Hello!
23:10Hello!
23:11What I'll do is I'll get rid of everybody off this stage who doesn't matter in a minute
23:19because what's happened is...
23:20It's about the kids.
23:21No, it is not!
23:22No!
23:23No!
23:24No!
23:25No!
23:26No!
23:27No!
23:28No!
23:29No!
23:30No!
23:31No!
23:32No!
23:33No!
23:34No!
23:35Right, and you!
23:36Right, that's it!
23:37See, I'm not doing it anymore because I literally, literally, you think I don't mean this.
23:40You can do one.
23:41I'm going to ask one question and you, get your boyfriend to shut up, seriously.
23:46Whatever you think about it, the fact is if he's the devil incarnate, why did you allow
23:50the kid to live with him?
23:52You can say he controlled.
23:53You can say she controlled.
23:54Do you think it's fair, since March, that he hasn't seen his son?
23:57No, it's not.
23:58Well, no.
23:59No.
24:00Right, so is that not?
24:01Just calm.
24:02Is that not?
24:03irrespective of everything else. I understand his anger in a way because he brought your kids up.
24:07I understand how you're feeling because you did three years.
24:10But the point is, the kids, as you said when we were out there, are the most important thing.
24:15Now, for seven or eight years, as I see it, they've been split.
24:20Dad, mum, mum, dad, awful. They're the victims of this.
24:23What I want to ask, without any shouting, is, is it not possible, whatever people's lives have gone in whichever direction,
24:31is it not possible, with help, for you two to go, I'm with her, or whatever the hell you are with, I'm with him.
24:39Stop shouting at the moon. Let's just concentrate on what's right.
24:43Now, is it not right that this guy gets a chance? Yes, it is.
24:46Yeah, it's right.
24:46Yeah.
24:48Is it not right that there should be some gratitude on your behalf, that she's not married to some criminal,
24:54but she's married to a bloke who goes to work and pays for your kids, whether you like it or not?
24:58I would be saying thank you. You might dislike that.
25:00The most reasonable person on this stage, whether any of you like it or not, is this lady, right?
25:05Who's not come off... Nobody's slagged you off as a bad mother.
25:08This situation happened, and the kids are the victims.
25:11Do you two, as parents, I don't care if you hate each other,
25:14do you not not seriously want to do better by your children?
25:17I've told you, I will talk to you.
25:22How are you?
25:24Thanks.
25:25Do you know what I mean?
25:26I'm not doubting any side, because this is not possible.
25:30I mean, to me, although they'll go, ooh, don't say that, this is absolutely,
25:34completely irrelevant.
25:35I'm going to pass every single question.
25:37He's passed every question.
25:38I'm not going to pass.
25:39No, no, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it.
25:46I know, stop it.
25:48Doesn't matter, does it?
25:49No, it doesn't.
25:50But I...
25:50Can we not...
25:51No, not but.
25:52No point scoring, not interested, end of.
25:55No, I'm on about us, and we have to get there.
25:56It's their brother, and he has a right to know him and see him.
25:58That's the other thing.
25:59A wider family.
25:59Have you got kids?
26:00Yeah.
26:00Let me just say this, as subtly as I can.
26:05I absolutely know that you can split up or get divorced from somebody,
26:10and you don't stay the best of friends.
26:12You might not really speak to that person.
26:14You might only have email contact.
26:16It doesn't mean that you can't do best by your kids.
26:19That's it.
26:20I don't care if you hate each other.
26:22I don't care who you're sleeping with.
26:24I don't care what you think of each other.
26:26I sort of think, at this point now, you should only think about your children,
26:31and we will.
26:33You and you, in the right way, help make this work through mediation.
26:39Help arrange a plan, which gives you a break.
26:41Which gives you some respect.
26:43Which means that you say thank you.
26:44Which means you're not threatening each other.
26:46Which means that you don't call him a sperm donor because you step up.
26:49Which means you pay.
26:50Which means that you do what you should do, and you do what you should do.
26:54Isn't that what you want?
26:55Isn't that why you came?
26:58Seriously, Em?
26:59You said to me out there, I came here for the kids.
27:02Isn't that why you came?
27:03That's the only reason I'm here.
27:04I know.
27:05Not put anything out.
27:06And I believe that both of you, underneath, get pulled along by,
27:09this is my side, that's her side, we're saying this, we're saying that.
27:13It's the kids.
27:14And the one thing that we do, it's a big rollercoaster, right,
27:16but at the end of the day, it's about the children.
27:18Let us help you, yes or no?
27:19Yes.
27:20Let us help you, yes or no?
27:22What's the point?
27:24Because I'll make it work.
27:26And it should be them two.
27:27Because I'm always done with the kids.
27:28Here we go, here we go.
27:29So the first thing we don't say is, Willie, hear me out.
27:32We work, we create a plan that's mutually agreeable.
27:35Between those two.
27:36And the first person that gets it wrong, you've got it then.
27:39You can look yourself in the mirror, you can show your kids.
27:42You tell me what you expect of him.
27:44Go on, you say, what's the point?
27:46Look, you said out there, I want him to step up.
27:49I'm going to make him step up.
27:50That's, I just want you to give us the chance to make it work.
27:53Yes?
27:53Isn't he starting today?
27:55It does.
27:56And it's between Emma and Wiggy.
27:57Not, none of us, all three.
27:59It's between these two.
27:59Thanks very much.
28:01That's why I've got it.
28:01I think you need to go into mediation together.
28:04I'll see you on a Saturday, because I'll say I work from Monday to Friday.
28:07All of those things will be taken into context.
28:09Just agree that you will go with our help into mediation for the sake of your children and try and get this right.
28:14Yes?
28:15What's the point?
28:15He lets them down every time.
28:18And I've got people in pieces.
28:19The point is, the point is, the point is, the point is, you can't, shush, shush.
28:24The point is, you came here today and you said, I care about my kids.
28:26The point is, on television, prove, and you have, and he knows this, given yourself a chance, and it will be there for all to see forever.
28:34You'll be able to say to your kids, look, I did that.
28:36If he's given the chance and lets them down, yeah, you'll have to pick them up again, but they'll know forever.
28:41But if he does step up to the mark, however upsetting that might be, as you now have the perfect family unit, he has a right.
28:47Now, maybe he's made mistakes in the past, but, Emma, if you're the mother I know you are, you'd agree to sit and talk, most definitely.
28:53And your boyfriend's nodding as well.
28:55Yes?
28:57Will you?
28:58Good job.
28:59Will you?
28:59All right, you two that way.
29:01You two that way.
29:02We'll do it backstage, all right?
29:04Thank you very much indeed.
29:07Good afternoon, right.
29:08My next guest today, Kerry, is here for Crucial DNA Results,
29:10with a potential father, Stephen, whom she spent 32 years trying to track down.
29:15Now, Kerry finally found Stephen just a few days ago,
29:17but their initial meeting left her with a lot of questions,
29:19and today she is desperate for answers.
29:21Massive, massive moment.
29:22Kerry's next on the Jeremy Kyle Show, that way.
29:24Let's have a look.
29:30Oh, my God.
29:31You're getting upset at me today, because it's so important.
29:34You know, this show, sometimes...
29:36Well, it's everything, isn't it?
29:37Yeah, it is.
29:37Shouting, screaming, raw emotion.
29:39You're 32.
29:40Somebody said 23, so I apologise.
29:42I wish I was.
29:42So you want to be 32.
29:44You've been searching for a long, long time.
29:46I have.
29:47Tell me the backstory, because, you know, people always go,
29:49oh, I felt like the odd one out.
29:51What was the upbringing like?
29:52What were you told?
29:53Give me some background.
29:54I got told that Stephen was my dad.
29:57Obviously, I got brought up by grandparents.
29:59You got told he was your dad?
30:01Yeah, I got...
30:01Where was he then?
30:03Why wasn't he involved?
30:04What was the story?
30:04I don't know.
30:05You don't know?
30:06He got...
30:06I've got to tell that he went to the shop for a pint of milk and left.
30:10Went to the shop for a pint of milk and never came back?
30:13That's all I got done.
30:15Imagine that.
30:16Literally went for a pint of...
30:18Semi-skimmed or full fat?
30:19I don't know.
30:20Good ask, isn't that?
30:22What does today mean?
30:24Just answers and just, like, the city of he is, my dad.
30:27And if he is, what would that mean?
30:30I don't know.
30:31I just...
30:31I'd be so amazed.
30:32I've met him before and I felt I had that connection with him for the 32 years.
30:36If he is, what would you want from him?
30:37I just want him to be there for us.
30:39I don't want nothing in return.
30:41Just want him to be there for us and support us.
30:45APPLAUSE
30:46That's when you met.
30:51And you met two days ago.
30:53Two days ago you met.
30:54You said something really extraordinary.
30:55You said,
30:56I knew he was my dad when I saw him.
30:58We have the same eyes.
30:59We had a connection.
31:00Immediately I couldn't stop smiling like a Cheshire cat.
31:02He has to be my dad.
31:04What if he's not?
31:05Well, I've got nothing to lose because I haven't had it for 32 years, so...
31:09Well, the good news is he's here.
31:11He's not down the shop buying some milk.
31:13So that's always good.
31:14Stephen's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
31:16APPLAUSE
31:26Pints of milk.
31:27Yeah, a pint of milk, yeah.
31:28Is that true?
31:29Yeah, it's true, yeah.
31:29Where'd you go?
31:30Sit down.
31:31Is that true?
31:32Yeah, it's true, yeah.
31:33It's not good, is it?
31:34No, it isn't.
31:35Can you explain to me how...
31:37So you've got a kid and a missus and you go down the shop to get a pint of milk
31:40and you think, I'm not going back?
31:41How does that work?
31:42I didn't know she was born.
31:44I didn't know she was alive.
31:44You didn't know the lady was pregnant?
31:47No.
31:48So when did you find out potentially that Kerry was your daughter?
31:52Er, Tuesday.
31:54Jesus.
31:55Do you believe that?
31:58I don't believe that.
31:59What does this mean?
32:01It means a world of us.
32:02Look at you.
32:03You're totally straight.
32:04You need to get us sorted.
32:06Well, yeah, now...
32:06If you are, and this is confirmed, will you kick yourself?
32:12Will you be angry that you've missed that time?
32:14Yeah.
32:15Yeah.
32:16I should have been there for her.
32:17You're very matter-of-fact, aren't you?
32:19Yeah.
32:20Got the other kids?
32:21Yeah, I've got the other kids, yeah.
32:22Three lads.
32:23So it'll be a chance to...
32:24Oh, look at her.
32:28What if she's not?
32:31Don't know.
32:32Now we're seeing the real man, aren't we?
32:34Yeah.
32:35I don't know.
32:36He came straight away, this guy.
32:37And this is the reality of these stories,
32:39and that's why I always want to do these stories,
32:40because it's not always going to be shouting and screaming.
32:43If this is the answer that she's wanted for 32 years,
32:45then that's putting a family back together, isn't it?
32:47Yeah, yeah.
32:48That's important.
32:54Yeah.
32:56She said, I'm a proper mess.
32:57A proper mess.
33:00She said the minute she saw you,
33:01she smiled like a Cheshire cat.
33:02She knew there was a connection.
33:04Yeah.
33:07You left her mother.
33:08I did, yeah.
33:09You didn't know she was pregnant.
33:10You never got told.
33:11She went for a pint of milk.
33:12That is your daughter, Paris.
33:14CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
33:16And you didn't know.
33:42You didn't know it's all.
33:43Look at that.
33:46That man will look after you for a moment, right?
33:48I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
33:49Of course, we pass the United States, so he's got no taste.
33:51Listen, I'm really, really happy you came here, all right?
33:55Oh, man.
33:55Congratulations, darling.
33:56You're great.
33:56Thanks, mate.
33:57Take care.
33:58Lovely family.
33:59Good luck, my darling.
34:00Well done.
34:00See you later.
34:01Give me a round of applause.
34:02Love it.
34:02Love it.
34:03Love it.
34:04Well done.
34:05Great, great story.
34:06Good luck to them.
34:07I'll let you know.
34:07Now, you might just remember my next guest from a previous show.
34:11Take a look at this, my friends.
34:13You're 24, and you still don't know who your dad is?
34:17No.
34:18How did you find him?
34:20Through Facebook.
34:21See?
34:22See?
34:22No, everybody laughs, but actually, it can in those instances work.
34:26When your daughter, as we believe she is at this moment in time, turned up, what was that like?
34:34Well, for years I've been waiting and waiting to find out who she was.
34:39The DNA test results show that Willie.
34:46Sorry, sweetheart.
34:46He's not your biological father.
34:48That was difficult, but today Emma's back with another potential father for DNA results.
34:57At this time, she hopes she'll finally meet the man who is her real dad on this stage.
35:01Big, big day.
35:02Really respect this woman.
35:03Emma's back on the car show.
35:04Give her a round of applause.
35:04So you're destroying all the myths for me, aren't you?
35:14Because you're Facebook crazy.
35:15You're proving that Facebook works.
35:17That was difficult.
35:18Yeah.
35:19But the difficulty is, and when I leave the stage having said to somebody, that's not
35:23your father or something, I always think, oh God, that's really gutting.
35:26But then, I don't know, the truth is really important, isn't it?
35:28It is, yeah, but to me it's just normal.
35:31I don't know anything different, do I?
35:33I don't know who she is.
35:33So many people felt so much sympathy for you last time.
35:37Willie, decent guy, came along, wasn't your father.
35:40Speaking as loud as you can, since the show, what happened?
35:43We tried to help.
35:44We came up against a brick wall again.
35:45We did everything we could, didn't we?
35:47Yeah, I messaged my mum, telling her that obviously Willie wasn't my dad.
35:51And asked if there was any other potential fathers, and she gave me another two names.
35:56She said there was one who went by the nickname Honk.
35:59Honk?
35:59Yeah.
35:59I just put on Facebook, like, on a big page, if anyone knew the guy called Honk.
36:06I'm looking...
36:07Brilliant, I love this.
36:08I'm looking for a male who will be in his 40s, and when he goes by the nickname Honk.
36:13Can anyone help me put in contact with this person?
36:15It'd be quite important.
36:16My info should be greatly pleased with that.
36:17And how many responses did you get?
36:19I don't know, it just went crazy.
36:21There's a lot of people called Honk out there, are they?
36:23No, like, what do you mean, the comments, or...
36:25Well, I don't know what it means anyway, but how many people came back and said,
36:28we know that this guy, or did this guy come back, what happened?
36:31Someone who they knew had messaged them and screenshot the post,
36:35and then, like, I met it to him himself, and then...
36:40So you ended up speaking to Ian, who's here today.
36:43Yeah.
36:43I didn't know what about Emma at all.
36:45She saw an appeal on Facebook which mentioned my nickname.
36:47I knew then there was a chance it could be a potential daughter.
36:50I messaged her.
36:51I only slept with Emma's mum once.
36:53I'm 50-50, but I'd love to be the dad.
36:55What does today mean?
36:56I mean, I asked you last time, and I think somehow the audience always think I'm going to go,
36:59you are the father, and it's all lovely, but actually it doesn't always work out like that,
37:03and you were here experiencing that.
37:04I don't know.
37:05I don't know how I feel.
37:08You want him to be your dad?
37:10Yeah.
37:11Just want the fight finished, right?
37:13I just want to find him, yeah.
37:15And finding your dad, when you do, hopefully today, what would that mean to you as a young woman?
37:22I don't know.
37:23I just feel like...
37:24Completion?
37:25Yeah.
37:26You OK?
37:27Yeah.
37:27All right, let's get him out.
37:28Ian's on the Jeremy Carr show.
37:29That one.
37:39I really appreciate you being here, very much like Willie last time.
37:44You met yesterday for the first time.
37:46What was that?
37:47You didn't know about this girl.
37:49I didn't know her.
37:50It was a total shock.
37:52What was it like when you got the call?
37:54More of a shock, really.
37:57You don't expect to have a daughter out there when you find her last minute.
38:00I'd love to be Emma's dad.
38:01She's a canny lass.
38:02What does that mean?
38:02She's a good girl.
38:04Yeah?
38:04Yeah.
38:05A little bit of bond already.
38:07You want to be a granddad?
38:08How many kids?
38:08Just one.
38:10So this is massive for you.
38:11But again, you know, I don't know, somehow in the old days,
38:14when we started doing DNA tests and everybody was like,
38:16whoa, what's that?
38:17A lot of men would come out here
38:18and they'd sort of feel pathetic excuses
38:21and you'd think, hold on a second, you know?
38:23But I buy that you didn't know.
38:25It's not about me.
38:26It's about this lass.
38:27You know, me's needs clothes.
38:28Everyone's going to know her daddy.
38:30You know what I mean?
38:31Well, I can do.
38:35You know?
38:36And it's she as you look after her.
38:37Oh, yeah.
38:38Oh, dear.
38:39I've been my first granddad.
38:40I've been my first granddaddy.
38:41I've been my first granddaddy.
38:42Boy or girl?
38:43Girl.
38:45Newcastle?
38:46Not for me, though.
38:48Not?
38:48Red and white.
38:49Sunderland?
38:50Yeah.
38:50Get out.
38:52Got a mack'em on stage.
38:54Used to disappointment you are, aren't you, son?
38:56So, Sunderland, at the moment.
38:57Good lad.
38:59Emma, thank you for giving us the chance to do this again.
39:01You know the story here.
39:03Yeah.
39:03You OK?
39:04Yeah.
39:04You met yesterday for the first time.
39:09You came here believing it was Willie.
39:11You went back to your mother after that negative,
39:12and she gave you two names.
39:13The DNA test results show that Ian...
39:17He's not your biological father, darling.
39:19Yeah.
39:20I'm just getting ready, yeah.
39:20I'm just getting ready, yeah.
39:20I'm just getting ready, yeah.
39:21Yeah, it's fine.
39:21Yeah.
39:23You OK?
39:24Yeah, fine.
39:25It's all my...
39:25Do you know what upsets me most for you,
39:27because we won't give up,
39:28is that this...
39:29And again, and I'm going to say to you what I said to Willie,
39:32I have great respect for you guys.
39:33She comes straight down from the north-east.
39:35You know, she's a canny lass, would do whatever,
39:37and I respect you enormously for that.
39:38I really, really do.
39:40I mean, I really do.
39:44And, uh, well, look, I don't know.
39:47I don't know what it's like,
39:50but I swear to God on my life,
39:51I've told you before,
39:52everything this show has,
39:53all of our resources,
39:54we've got to find number three, haven't we?
39:56Do you know where number three is?
39:57No.
39:58I just have the name.
39:59Well, let's...
40:00We'll do.
40:01You know we will,
40:02because, you know,
40:02if it takes...
40:03I mean, I don't want to say
40:04if it takes five times,
40:05because you can't go through that,
40:06and I don't know how many...
40:07But at the end of the day,
40:08we'll get an answer,
40:09and he's right,
40:09you are a canny lass,
40:10and she's a good girl.
40:11And I promise you,
40:11we'll do whatever we can,
40:12all right?
40:13No, thank you.
40:13I'm sorry, sweetheart.
40:14God bless you.
40:15Thanks for coming on.
40:15Give him a round of applause,
40:16guys.
40:17You're going on.
40:17You're going on.
40:18We will find her dead.
40:20That's a guarantee.
40:21Back after the brother of Moore.
40:22Three minutes away.
40:23Don't go anywhere.
40:25Your brother was tragically murdered.
40:29He was aware of Kara, was he?
40:31He was.
40:32Yeah.
40:33Have you had a relationship with the mother?
40:35It lasted a few years,
40:37and then they just parted
40:38and went separate ways.
40:40He knew about the child?
40:42He knew, but he wasn't sure.
40:44And then he was married.
40:52The DNA test results show that Kara.
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41:08as an ex refusing to accept paternity?
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41:38My next guest, Shelley,
41:40is here today
41:40with what can only be described
41:42as a shocking story.
41:43Her brother, Rob,
41:44was murdered early this year,
41:46which naturally devastated
41:47the entire family.
41:47Shelley says on top of this tragic loss
41:49was the knowledge that Rob
41:50could have been the father
41:51to a 19-year-old girl named Kara,
41:53but sadly never got the chance
41:54to know for sure.
41:55Now, Shelley says
41:56she's desperate to know
41:57if Kara is, in fact,
41:58her niece
41:59and hopes
42:00this can provide some closure
42:01for her brother,
42:02the family,
42:03in fact, for every day.
42:03Massive day for this family
42:04after all that's gone on.
42:05Shelley's on the Jeremy Carl Show.
42:06Thank you for this.
42:19Words fail me
42:20when there are stories like this
42:21because there's not an awful lot
42:22that one can say.
42:23What I think is really interesting,
42:25your brother was tragically murdered,
42:27but your opening gambit was
42:30I know that we would have had
42:32his blessing to do this today.
42:33Yeah.
42:34Let's talk about him.
42:37I'm not going to be naive
42:38and go,
42:39you know,
42:40it must be difficult,
42:42there must be a huge void
42:43in all of your lives,
42:44but what I'd like to try
42:45and get to
42:46is this Kara situation.
42:48He was aware of Kara,
42:49was he?
42:50He was.
42:50What happened?
42:52What was the story behind her?
42:54Can you tell us?
42:55Speak up.
42:56He was speaking to her
42:57for a while.
42:58So he had a relationship
43:00with the mother.
43:00Was it a long-term relationship?
43:02Was it a...
43:03It lasted a few years
43:04and then they just
43:05parted and went separate ways.
43:07He knew about the child?
43:10He knew,
43:10but he wasn't sure
43:11if he was the dad.
43:14Like I said,
43:15she just moved on
43:16and he moved on
43:16and just got left unanswered.
43:19When did you meet her?
43:22I've never met her.
43:23You've never met her?
43:24When did he meet her?
43:27He met her
43:28when she was
43:28a couple of weeks old
43:30and then he met her
43:31about six years ago.
43:34Was there talk
43:35of a DNA test?
43:36There was.
43:37About two years ago,
43:38Kara got in touch
43:40and they were talking
43:41over Facebook
43:42and said
43:43that they wanted to do it
43:45but then Kara
43:46put it on hold
43:47because she fell pregnant
43:48and said
43:49would he do it
43:50after she'd had the baby
43:51and he said yeah
43:53and then he was murdered
43:54in January
43:55and she had the baby
43:56a couple of weeks after.
43:58This girl
43:59found out
44:00that a potential father
44:01was murdered
44:02on the television news?
44:04Yeah.
44:06Have you had any contact
44:07with her at all?
44:08Yeah,
44:09I messaged you.
44:10I messaged you regularly.
44:11What does today
44:11mean, sweetheart?
44:15Everything's
44:15a link to our rap.
44:18I really appreciate
44:19you being here.
44:20Kara's on the
44:20Jeremy Carr show.
44:21That way.
44:21Tara, welcome to the show.
44:36Yeah, you're right.
44:37These parts are never easy
44:38and there isn't an awful lot
44:40that I can ever really say.
44:42You said I had a good upbringing,
44:43I never had a father figure
44:44in my life
44:45but it never bothered me
44:45until I got older.
44:46You got in touch with Rob.
44:51Yeah.
44:51When you were 17
44:52over Facebook.
44:53What was the relationship like?
44:55I mean,
44:55it was sort of like
44:56on and off
44:56so we'd have,
44:57it was quite not hard
44:58to get in contact with
44:59but I think he scarcely
45:01used Facebook
45:02so we'd have the odd message
45:04and then we wouldn't talk
45:06for a few weeks
45:06and then he'd come back
45:07and he'd,
45:07how are you?
45:08Hellos.
45:09He agreed to do the DNA,
45:10didn't he?
45:10Yeah.
45:10But then I think
45:11there was a pregnancy.
45:12Yeah,
45:12I fell pregnant with my son,
45:14yeah.
45:14And it was a stressful time
45:16obviously already
45:16being pregnant
45:17is quite stressful
45:18but I decided,
45:19you know,
45:19we'll come to it
45:20after I've had my baby,
45:21you know,
45:21things will be less stressful
45:22and then obviously
45:24unforeseen circumstances
45:25happened.
45:26Explain that scenario
45:27whereby you find out
45:28that your potential father
45:29has been tragically taken.
45:32Well,
45:32I was 36 weeks pregnant
45:33at the time
45:34so I was already
45:34all over the place
45:35of emotions
45:36as you can imagine
45:37but it was,
45:38it was difficult
45:39and I mean,
45:39obviously I don't hold it
45:40against the family
45:41but it's hard to find out
45:42over the news rarely,
45:44you know,
45:44to see his picture
45:45and be like,
45:45this has actually happened
45:46to him
45:47and then not to know
45:48how to feel,
45:49how to get upset,
45:51whether I could cry,
45:52you know,
45:52it's a hard situation.
45:54I mean,
45:55even looking at it
45:55if it was a stranger
45:56you'd think,
45:57oh my gosh,
45:58it's not nice.
45:59What do you make
46:00of your potential
46:00Auntie Shelley
46:01coming here
46:01and doing this today
46:02because for her
46:03this is really,
46:03really difficult.
46:03I mean,
46:04I'm awfully grateful
46:05obviously because
46:05it means that I could have
46:07a part of like
46:08another family really
46:10that I could get to know
46:11and obviously have
46:12a relationship with.
46:13She said the most
46:15interesting line,
46:15she said you'd be a link
46:16to their Rob
46:17and I guess for you
46:17as I said as well,
46:19they'd be a link to him,
46:20right?
46:20Yeah.
46:20You seem remarkably calm.
46:22Well,
46:23it's scary but,
46:24you know,
46:25I'm just trying to...
46:26How much does this
46:27mean to you?
46:27It means a lot.
46:28I mean,
46:28obviously I don't know
46:29that other half of like
46:30my identity
46:31if that makes sense.
46:32I just want to find out
46:33the truth,
46:34see where I come from,
46:36how...
46:36Are you OK?
46:38You can't speak,
46:39can you at all?
46:40I'm so proud of you
46:41for even being here.
46:42Listen,
46:42for all the people
46:43that are tuning in
46:44and going,
46:44oh,
46:45I'm saying an awful lot,
46:45what you've been through
46:46in the last six months...
46:48Are you OK?
46:53The DNA test
46:54has thought to show
46:55that Cara...
46:56I'm sorry.
47:02She's not your niece,
47:04which is perhaps
47:06not the answer
47:07that we all wanted,
47:08certainly not Shelley.
47:10Because more than anything,
47:11I think she wanted a link.
47:14It's OK.
47:15Sorry.
47:17It's all right.
47:19You don't need
47:19to be sorry about at all.
47:21You've been through
47:21the worst thing
47:22that any person,
47:23family can go through.
47:25Biologically,
47:26you're not Shelley's niece,
47:27which would imply
47:28that obviously
47:28he's not your father.
47:30I guess for you
47:31that's mixed emotions
47:32because...
47:32Yeah.
47:33...finding out
47:34what you found out...
47:35It just continues,
47:37doesn't it?
47:37I guess I'll just...
47:38You know,
47:39obviously I'll still...
47:40I'll still be here, yeah.
47:41I'll always be here for you.
47:43Can I tell you something
47:43that I say
47:44week in, week out
47:45and people say to me
47:46are you sure
47:47and I say yes.
47:49If you want us
47:49to find your father,
47:50we will.
47:51Yeah.
47:52Do you?
47:53I mean,
47:53it's something that I would...
47:54Obviously,
47:55I've come this far
47:55looking, I guess.
47:56Do my best.
47:57We'll do our best,
47:58all right?
47:58Yeah.
47:58I promise you that
47:59and I'm sorry.
48:00I wish your family
48:01the best
48:01and thank you
48:02for coming on
48:02and giving us
48:03the chance to do this.
48:04I'm sorry.
48:04If you'd like to get that,
48:05we'll give you a round of applause.
48:06We'll see you very soon.
48:16Take care.
48:16Bye-bye for now.
48:18CHEERING AND APPLAUSE