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00:00Here's why Shohei Ohtani came up today.
00:02We were listening to Eric Gagne on the morning roast,
00:04and he was asked about Ohtani versus Bonds, and here's what he said.
00:08Yeah, very good.
00:09So just the fact to get from the big leagues and dominate as a pitcher is insane.
00:14I couldn't even make it as a starter.
00:16So I didn't really – I was a failed starter.
00:18I became a reliever.
00:20And then to do this, I had to play.
00:21And to do this on top of that, not just be good on the field,
00:25but to be that big of a Jesus Jordan type and have all the attention.
00:29You have all the attention on him and to still dominate and still perform
00:33and to still have all this attention on him and just go out there.
00:38Because I don't think Barry has ever had that much attention on him.
00:41I mean, that's just insanity what he's going through.
00:44And he still dominates.
00:45He still performs.
00:46To me, that's a step above.
00:47That's Tiger Woods stuff.
00:48That's Michael Jordan stuff.
00:50And, of course, you could put Barry in that category.
00:53But I think it's a little bit different.
00:55I think it's more just the way he plays a game, the way he runs the bases.
01:00Everything he does is pretty, pretty good.
01:04It's a weird – the way he runs the bases.
01:07I mean, Barry Bonds was an amazing base stealer and base runner number one.
01:12But, God, I hate the Dodgers.
01:14Like, I mean, even just listening to this, I'm like,
01:17are you just biased because he pitches and you are a pitcher?
01:20Barry never faced this kind of attention.
01:22When Barry came to the plate for three years, the sports world stopped.
01:27We stopped.
01:28We replayed every one of his at-bats on every sports show all night long.
01:33We don't do that with Shohei.
01:35We don't stop the world when he comes to the plate.
01:38We did at the tail end of last year when he was on that quest to go 50-50.
01:44Absolutely.
01:44And he eventually did.
01:45Absolutely.
01:46So that lasted like four days.
01:47It was longer than that.
01:48It was the whole run-up to it.
01:49But I'm not going to argue that Bonds got, you know, less attention than Shohei.
01:55Shohei did get a ton of attention as he was making that historic run to 50-50.
02:00And so, yeah, that happened.
02:01And this year it hasn't been as much because he's not pitching.
02:05And so now he's just a really good hitter, probably the second-best hitter in baseball.
02:10Randy, what did you want to say about this?
02:11What's going on?
02:12Well, you guys spent a lot of time talking about the idea of the attention that is paid to Otani,
02:17maybe not paid to Bonds, at least in Gagne's mind.
02:19You brought it up a second ago, but he talked about just the way that he runs the bases.
02:25Bonds is the only member of the 500-homer, 500-steel club, also the only member of the 400-homer, 400-steel club.
02:31He talked about the way that he does everything.
02:33Otani doesn't field.
02:35Bonds has eight gold gloves.
02:36Yep.
02:37Like, there's levels to the things that Bonds did that Otani doesn't do.
02:42And Shohei may get there, no doubt.
02:44But, like, and I hate having any conversation that makes it sound like, you know, you're kind of dismissing anything about Otani
02:51because from a visual standpoint or an amazement standpoint, yeah, you could argue this is crazier than anything we've ever seen in baseball.
03:01But if you want to whittle this down to, like, what Bonds does and what Otani does, I'm with you.
03:08I thought Gagne just tossed a bunch of Bonds stuff out with the trash, which made no sense.
03:15I heard a lot of people bring this point up today, and I think it's a good one.
03:18Shohei Otani is in a lineup with Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman.
03:23Barry Bonds was in the lineup with who?
03:26I mean, sure, someone will go, oh, well, Jeff Kent won an MVP.
03:30Why do you think Jeff Kent won an MVP?
03:34Because nobody wanted to pitch to Bonds.
03:36That's part of it.
03:37Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know, man.
03:40I don't know.
03:41They're tough.
03:42They're tough.
03:42Eras of comparison are always very, very, very tough.
03:47And Shohei is two athletes.
03:49He's two different athletes.
03:50Yeah.
03:50So that's a fair kind of a thing, but I just thought that was, that had some weird in it from Eric.
03:56Yeah, and it had some dodger in it from Eric.
03:58There you go.
03:58You know, he was a big rival of Bonds, and I was looking up that famous at-bat, and it was all fastballs.
04:05And Gagne is a guy who also, I believe he tested positive along the course of his career, so he was from that same era.
04:14And, you know, it was a time where Bonds was a rival because it was Dodgers and Giants, and so, of course, he's going to lean toward his guy in L.A.
04:21Yeah.
04:22No, I get that.
04:23I get that.
04:24I just was like, I think, if you want to have this conversation, you can.
04:29But those were weird factors to point to.
04:32Shohei deals with more attention than Bonds?
04:36Well, he deals with a lot of attention, especially from the Japanese media.
04:40Like, that part of it I get from Gagne.
04:42Is that pressurized?
04:44The Japanese media?
04:46Oh, absolutely.
04:47Well, no, but, again, from the standpoint of this is Major League Baseball.
04:52You're here.
04:53You're dealing with this media.
04:55That's another thing.
04:57And Bonds, by the way, did not, I'll be the first to say it, he did not handle this well.
05:01He was horrible with the media.
05:02Yeah.
05:03His entire career.
05:05Shohei doesn't even need to deal with the American media.
05:08Because, oh, by the way, he's got people thinking he doesn't speak English, even though I know that he does.
05:13Well, he's got an interpreter who he's got to keep an eye on.
05:16He's got a second interpreter.
05:17Yeah, he does.
05:18So, I mean, he does still have to face them and answer the questions, but it's easier to just, you know,
05:23get the question translated to you and make up some answer and have your interpreter handle it for you.
05:28The translator can say whatever the hell he wants.
05:32Anyway, they're so different.
05:34But of all things to point to, that might have been the last that I would have gone to,
05:39which is Shohei deals with a bunch of attention that Barry never did.
05:42I found it to be the other way around.
05:44It's not true.
05:45And Otani has a certain amount of attention that Bonds didn't have to face other than a few of those seasons.
05:51And Otani is, you know, constantly going to be covered and hounded by the Japanese media every single step of his life.
06:00And, you know, with Bonds, it was mainly the on-the-field stuff.
06:04And a lot of the attention that Barry got, he brought on himself by the choices that he made.
06:10And, you know, Game of Shadows comes out from Fainu Ruwada and Lance Williams, and that book blows up.
06:16And all of a sudden now, a light is shown upon Major League Baseball, not only Bonds, but many other players.
06:22And so, like you said, he didn't always handle it the right way, which brought more attention and more scrutiny.
06:27No, like, I mean, we could absolutely have this conversation.
06:30As far as the greatness of Barry Bonds, like a healthy portion of his career, he cheated.
06:38Right.
06:39He cheated.
06:40So we can, you can add that into it.
06:43You know what I mean?
06:43Show his allegations, even if they were true, which they won't ever be proven so,
06:49don't necessarily have anything to do with his performance on the field.
06:53Barry's does.
06:54Again, the only thing I'm pointing out here is that Eric went to a very odd spot to kind of compare these two.
07:01I don't think you're crazy if you think Otani is better than Bonds, more important to the game than Bonds.
07:08Like, I think a sane person could easily argue that.
07:12But probably not by saying Shohei deals with a bunch of attention that Barry never did.
07:16That, to me, is the opposite.
07:18Agreed.
07:18Shohei has never received any negative attention and doesn't need to answer half of the questions of Barry
07:24and doesn't have any of the negativity from other fans.
07:28And the sort of, like, what you just pointed out, the at-bat-by-at-bat chase that Shohei went through last year
07:37was minuscule compared to what Barry did when he hit 73 home runs.
07:41And as he got closer to 715 and 755 and 700 and all the other milestones.
07:48And so for Barry, it was a number of different times where he went through that and faced it.
07:54And, you know, the 73 homer year was in 2001.
07:59Is that right?
08:00Yeah.
08:002001.
08:01Yeah, that feels right.
08:02And then by the time he was getting up to Aaron, that was a few years later.
08:05So between the 73 and eventually reaching to 762 career, there were other milestones.
08:11And the coverage of that, of course, was going to be immense.
08:14And it was as much negative as positive.
08:17And the whole idea of an asterisk was around Barry Bonds.
08:21Totally.
08:22Like, the 73 and, you know, because by then we knew about Sosa and McGuire and how when they broke Maris,
08:28it's like, oh, you had the Andro and you had, you know, Sosa on the stuff.
08:32And so by the time Barry surpassed both of them, the scrutiny was even way more.
08:37No doubt.
08:37No doubt about it.
08:38888-957-9570 is the number.
08:42And then here's where I will admit that this is completely, this is my own thing.
08:49This is not just the Dodgers.
08:52This is every team seemingly in baseball, Giants included.
08:56But the Dodgers are the most annoying at it.
09:01And it's kind of like, hey, does every NBA team have a guy who flops?
09:06Of course.
09:07Right.
09:07But James Harden is the most annoying one.
09:10Or Shane Gilgis, Alexander, whoever.
09:12Pick whoever you want.
09:13You can have your list.
09:14Whoever you want.
09:14Have your foul baiter and you'll be like, but that's the most annoying one.
09:18But for me, the Dodgers are the most annoying at this one factor.
09:26And it's something we had to play this for you.
09:28This is hysterical.
09:30So our friend Will Clark, all-time great giant.
09:34And we had Bernsie on last week, Eric Burns.
09:36They do the show on the No Filter Network.
09:40And listen to what comes up.
09:42Eric kind of turns them loose.
09:44And Will had to get something off of his chest.
09:46And it was about the way guys celebrate after a double when they get to second base.
09:53Listen to the thrill get loose.
09:55You hit a f***ing double.
09:56All right.
09:56Whack.
09:57I get a good pitch.
09:58I get a gapper.
09:59Yay.
09:59You know, you pull in to second base.
10:01You are not even at the second base bag.
10:05And you're turning around to the dugout going,
10:06whatever the f*** these motherf***ers are doing.
10:11It's like, hey, f***ing, turn around.
10:13The ball's still in play.
10:14If they miss the cutoff, you need to get to the third base.
10:17And it f***ing infuriates me.
10:19I swear to God, I want to jump through the TV sometimes and f***ing smack somebody upside
10:24the face going, the play is not over.
10:26You can't celebrate until the umpire has the ball in his hands.
10:31That's pretty good.
10:32That's pretty good.
10:33They all do it.
10:35Of course they do.
10:36They all do it.
10:37But the Dodgers do it in the most annoying way possible.
10:43Like, I will give this.
10:45I don't even know.
10:45What is the Giants thing?
10:47What's the thing that they do?
10:48Everybody's got a salute to the dugout.
10:51The Dodgers, okay, yeah.
10:52They kind of put, like, they put their pointer finger and their middle finger together and
10:57then their thumb is out and they twist them a little bit.
11:00It's almost kind of like got a little, like, four tops thing going to it.
11:03For those of you who have been listening to music for a thousand years.
11:06But anyway, the Dodgers shake that ass.
11:10That's what the Dodgers do.
11:11They put their hands, like, out to the sides and they just do, like, a wiggle, wiggle, wiggle.
11:15And they start wiggling their butt and then they turn around and they wiggle their butt
11:19the other way.
11:20It feels like it takes about 13 seconds before it's over.
11:25And, look, I get it.
11:26If you're a Dodger fan, you love it.
11:29You love it.
11:30You love the Dodger wiggle.
11:33But if you don't like the Dodgers, it's the most annoying thing in baseball.
11:38By far.
11:39I have to look at other teams and what they do, but I'm picturing the Dodger one and it's
11:44pretty annoying.
11:45Get ready.
11:45Here we go this weekend.
11:47Happy Father's Day.
11:48There's the Dodgers butts.
11:50There they are.
11:51Right in your face.
11:52It's where we are in sports society now where you do something great and you celebrate.
11:58And when you celebrate, you either do it alone or you do it with friends.
12:02The NFL finally, it took them years to figure out that nobody wants the no fun league.
12:07And that's a 15 yarder because you guys celebrated in the end zone.
12:10And so now you've got Justin Jefferson doing the gritty and other guys doing the gritty.
12:15And it's fun.
12:16You know, by the way, I got no issue with it.
12:19I started this conversation by saying, this is where I'm really going to show my colors.
12:24I wouldn't be bothered by this if the Giants were doing it.
12:27I'm bothered by it because the Dodgers are doing it.
12:29And I hate the Los Angeles Dodgers so much.
12:37So much.
12:38I don't even like using that word.
12:40I hate the word hate.
12:41But it works here.
12:43I hate the Dodgers.
12:45AI has given me great clarity into this.
12:48Yeah.
12:48What do you got?
12:49It's inspired by the Freddie Freeman signature celebration.
12:53For singles, players do a hip lock with a personal twist.
12:57A single.
12:58While doubles see a full Freeman shimmy with a hip lock.
13:03Home run celebrations include a modified version of the Freeman shimmy when the dugout is on the third baseline.
13:09It's a shimmy with a hip lock.
13:12And by the way, the Dodgers have some guys right now that don't register very high on the Dodger hatred scale.
13:20Like Freddie Freeman seems like a great guy.
13:22Gosh, what happened with his family last year?
13:25Everybody was rooting for Freddie Freeman.
13:27You know, he donated a million dollars to that hospital a couple weeks ago.
13:31Some of these guys seem like phenomenal human beings.
13:34Mookie Betts.
13:35Who the hell doesn't look at Mookie Betts and go, first of all, that's a great ball player.
13:41Second of all, he looks like a ton of fun.
13:43Go Dodgers.
13:43Now, Muncie, Muncie is that guy.
13:46Believe you, Muncie.
13:48Forget him.
13:49But some of these Dodgers, they don't really register on the Dodger hatred scale.
13:54Until you get to second base and decide that a disco ball just came out of the sky and we're going to spend the next 22 seconds of our lives letting you see every little body part in my tight Robbie Ray pants.
14:10I hate it with a passion.
14:14With a passion.
14:15So, I don't mind celebration in sports.
14:19Let the kids play.
14:21Do your damn thing.
14:22All of that.
14:23But this one, guys, I don't know.
14:27It's just because it's them.
14:28If the Cardinals were doing the same thing, it wouldn't bother you.
14:31A little bit.
14:32I don't think it would bother you.
14:33It's so prolonged.
14:35It's like, dude, we're waiting here.
14:39We're waiting here.
14:39We're waiting here.